Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[JuliusHMarx]

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How have some individuals got to the point where all they do is whinge and moan and complain about other people without any sense of compassion for those less well off than themselves through no fault of their own?

[Soul Requiem]

All of them if a person spends irresponsibly.

[super_realist]

Did I mention it had to be shirt sponsors?

[beninho]

Did I mention it had to be shirt sponsors?

I was talking about gambling in football. Which is what I said is a problem. I assumed you were continuing that conversation?

[super_realist]

Did I mention it had to be shirt sponsors?

I was talking about gambling in football.  Which is what I said is a problem. I assumed you were continuing that conversation?

Gambling might be a problem, but it's not restricted to shirts and demerit sponsors are all over sport.
We might not have cigarettes anymore, but we still have alcohol and unhealthy food sponsorship and adverts which I think is probably more damaging than gambling (as tacky as gambling is)

If you ever have the misfortune to watch SKY coverage the ad breaks are full of all sorts of adverts designed to cynically appeal to the lower elements of society.

[beninho]

All of them if a person spends irresponsibly.

Boilers anonymous meetings

[super_realist]

All of them if a person spends irresponsibly.

Boilers anonymous meetings

We are never going to grt to the point where clubs are sponsored by Carrots or Brocolli or anything which is good for everyone.

[beninho]

Did I mention it had to be shirt sponsors?

I was talking about gambling in football.  Which is what I said is a problem. I assumed you were continuing that conversation?

Gambling might be a problem, but it's not restricted to shirts and demerit sponsors are all over sport.
We might not have cigarettes anymore, but we still have alcohol and unhealthy food sponsorship and adverts which I think is probably more damaging than gambling (as tacky as gambling is)

If you ever have the misfortune to watch SKY coverage the ad breaks are full of all sorts of adverts designed to cynically appeal to the lower elements of society.

Thought alcohol sponsorship was effectively banned, I've not noticed any noticeable booze companies sponsoring football recently. I dont think fast food companies have the same links either. I still think gambling is too linked in with football.

[beninho]

All of them if a person spends irresponsibly.

Boilers anonymous meetings

We are never going to grt to the point where clubs are sponsored by Carrots or Brocolli or anything which is good for everyone.

Nope, but you can ban gambling like cigarette and booze.

[super_realist]

No, there's nothing to stop booze companies sponsoring it from what I understand, the only thing specifically banned is tobacco according to a BBC article (although they are often wrong) . If you look at the Euro's and World Cup for example Heineken and Budweiser are major sponsors.
Some clubs in Scotland have alcohol sponsors too.

[super_realist]

All of them if a person spends irresponsibly.

Boilers anonymous meetings

We are never going to grt to the point where clubs are sponsored by Carrots or Brocolli or anything which is good for everyone.

Nope, but you can ban gambling like cigarette and booze.

Why ban it?
Booze hasn't been banned anyway.  Isn't it better to persuade a club to question whether they ought to have gambling?

You can't progress society by banning everything which affects a tiny minority.
A tiny proportion of people are opposed to cars, does that mean you should stop them sponsoring teams or events?

[beninho]

Not sure there is a problem car buying issue in the country. Or a known addiction of buying cars, and if there is, I would hazard a guess its a lot less then problem gambling or gambling addiction

[super_realist]

You can allegedly be addicted to food. Do we stop food advertising?
You can't just ban things because a tiny minority of people have a problem with it. What percentage of gamblers actually have an issue?

[westisbest]

I agree with you super re the amount of time the scrum takes. Even the commentators mention it from time to time.

[beninho]

A recent report had upto 1.4m appx and 3.6m impacted by problem gambling. While it may be an over estimate. A lot of problem gamblers dont realise the problem until it's too late.

Obviously you have no issue with gambling advertising and its links to football, so no point in arguing the toss.

[super_realist]

A recent report had upto 1.4m appx and 3.6m impacted by problem gambling. While it may be an over estimate. A lot of problem gamblers dont realise the problem until it's too late.

Obviously you have no issue with gambling advertising and its links to football, so no point in arguing the toss.

Ha ha ha, so up to 5% of people in Britain have a problem with Gambling? Pull the other one. Who carried out that research? Neil Ferguson and Dianne Abbot?


I don't believe that figure at all and would love to know on what basis they calculated that. According to the lefties Bible, The Graudian, it's 280,000 people in England,

I'd wager a lot more than 5% of the UK given what I see have a problem with food, don't want that advertisement banned though do you?
It is probably based on some incredibly  limp definition of "problem" gambling.

[McLaren]

Super

This might seem random, but you mentioning not accepting the numbers addicted to gambling and for some reason it made me think of this.

Do you accept that that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust?

[super_realist]

Super

This might seem random, but you mentioning not accepting the numbers addicted to gambling and for some reason it made me think of this.

Do you accept that that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust?

What an absolutely absurd comparison and how dare you mention the H word.

[McLaren]

Are you refusing to answer?

[Soul Requiem]

Pathetic comparison.

[super_realist]

Are you refusing to answer?

Of course I believe it because it has been demonstrated to be true.
I have seen no evidence that 3.4m people are problem gamblers or have been affected by it, and like I already said even The Graudian who would love to make a big deal of this say just 280,000 people in England are problem gamblers.

[McLaren]

Pathetic comparison.

I am not making a comparison. I was just curious about whether super accepted the facts about the holocaust.

[Soul Requiem]

Pathetic comparison.

I am not making a comparison. I was just curious about whether super accepted the facts about the holocaust.

It's inane and pathetic, imagine having to resort to mentioning the holocaust.

[McLaren]

Are you refusing to answer?

Of course I believe it because it has been demonstrated to be true.
I have seen no evidence that 3.4m people are problem gamblers or have been affected by it, and like I already said even The Graudian who would love to make a big deal of this say just  280,000 people in England are problem gamblers.

See above. There is no comparison and I wasn't making one.

Was just curious if you were one of those "we don't know if it was that bad" types. You have to admit that you could fit the bill.

[McLaren]

Pathetic comparison.

I am not making a comparison. I was just curious about whether super accepted the facts about the holocaust.

It's inane and pathetic, imagine having to resort to mentioning the holocaust.

But think about how much fun it would have been if Super had questioned the holocaust numbers?

[super_realist]

Pathetic comparison.

I am not making a comparison. I was just curious about whether super accepted the facts about the holocaust.

Mac, if evidence is presented for something I will believe it if it is from a credible source and the figures are found to be accurste as I'm sure you would.
If someone presents a figure that appears pulled out of fresh air and which appears to be laughably high when compared to other data then everyone has a right to be skeptical as you would.

Why on earth are you bringing up the Holocaust anyway? Have I ever implied I don't accept it happened or that the numbers are not accurate? , if anything I probably know a great deal more about WW2 than you do.

[beninho]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/19/uk-gambling-addiction-yougov-research

https://www.uk-rehab.com/behavioural-addictions/problem-gambling/

430k in 2017 alone. A further 2m at risk of addiction.

These are just figures. And as mentioned, I dont think that people will know the true figures, though the previous report of 0.7 adult population is an underestimate, which it seems most accept.

[McLaren]

Why on earth are you bringing up the Holocaust anyway? Have I ever implied I don't accept it happened or  that the numbers are not accurate? , if anything I probably know a great deal more about WW2 than you do.

Honestly it has nothing to do with the gambling thing. It was just a random thought I had while reading a post, about whether or not you accepted the holocaust data. You have to say it would have been interesting if you had questioned it?

[McLaren]

if anything I probably know a great deal more about WW2 than you do.

So are you a bit of a history buff? What sort of stuff are you into?

[super_realist]

if anything I probably know a great deal more about WW2 than you do.

So are you a bit of a history buff? What sort of stuff are you into?

Not a history buff per se Mac, just read a lot about WW2.

[beninho]

Though unsure why numbers about gambling should impact a view on gambling. If a family member has lost everything due to a partners gambling issues, then they will have a strong view. Same with suicide due to mental health. Views are based on lived or seen experiences.

[McLaren]

if anything I probably know a great deal more about WW2 than you do.

So are you a bit of a history buff? What sort of stuff are you into?

Not a history buff per se Mac, just read a lot about WW2.

Then you probably know more than me. Most of my knowledge comes from the early Medal of honor games.

[super_realist]

Though unsure why numbers about gambling should impact a view on gambling. If a family member has lost everything due to a partners gambling issues, then they will have a strong view. Same with suicide due to mental health. Views are based on lived or seen experiences.

I'm not disputing that problem gambling exists or that it impacts on others, I just don't think it's as high as your figures claim.

[super_realist]

if anything I probably know a great deal more about WW2 than you do.

So are you a bit of a history buff? What sort of stuff are you into?

Not a history buff per se Mac, just read a lot about WW2.

Then you probably know more than me. Most of my knowledge comes from the early Medal of honor games.

There's an element of accuracy to some of those games.

[McLaren]

Got say I am mega disappointed that you don't question the holocaust numbers. Really thought I was onto something there.

[super_realist]

Why would you think I would doubt it Mac? You think I'm Jeremy Corbyn?

[beninho]

Though unsure why numbers about gambling should impact a view on gambling. If a family member has lost everything due to a partners gambling issues, then they will have a strong view. Same with suicide due to mental health. Views are based on lived or seen experiences.

I'm not disputing that problem gambling exists or that it impacts on others, I just don't think it's as high as your figures claim.

Not my figures. Just figures from a gambling report. I didnt carry it out.

[McLaren]

Why would you think I would doubt it Mac? You think I'm Jeremy Corbyn?

You just give off the edge lord sort of vibe.

[super_realist]

You just give off the edge lord sort of vibe.

Why? We have never had a discussion about that before.
I

[McLaren]

Yeh but it would be an edge lord move to throw out that you question the holocaust numbers. Ergo, if you were an edge lord you might like the idea of questioning the numbers.

[super_realist]

What the hell is an edge lord?

[beninho]

Never heard of edge lord. Looked it up, I definitely see it.

[Soul Requiem]

Pathetic comparison.

I am not making a comparison. I was just curious about whether super accepted the facts about the holocaust.

It's inane and pathetic, imagine having to resort to mentioning the holocaust.

But think about how much fun it would have been if Super had questioned the holocaust numbers?

Using the deaths of millions in an attempt to make a petty point is much fun?

[super_realist]

Pathetic comparison.

I am not making a comparison. I was just curious about whether super accepted the facts about the holocaust.

It's inane and pathetic, imagine having to resort to mentioning the holocaust.

But think about how much fun it would have been if Super had questioned the holocaust numbers?

Using the deaths of millions in an attempt to make a petty point is much fun?

Too soon?

[Eyetoldyouso]

"Honestly it has nothing to do with the gambling thing. It was just a random thought I had while reading a post, about whether or not you accepted the holocaust data."

Only an odious, despicable human being has a random thought which introduces the Holocaust into a thread about gambling. What a piece of sh1t you are.

I wouldn't even like to guess what your other random thoughts are about.

[super_realist]

"Honestly it has nothing to do with the gambling thing. It was just a random thought I had while reading a post, about whether or not you accepted the holocaust data."

Only an odious, despicable human being has a random thought which introduces the Holocaust into a thread about gambling. What a piece of sh1t you are.

I wouldn't even like to guess what your other random thoughts are about.

He was clearly wumming. Don't take it so seriously.

[navyblueshorts]

Similar to Rugby League would be a better solution. They waste so much time setting up the scrum, resets, collapses, deliberate collapses and  so much time faffing about putting the ball in, when it ALWAYS goes to the the team who gets the put in anyway, so why not just put it in the back of the scrum as hooking has been taken out of the scrum anyway. A time limit of 30 seconds or a minute to get it out could work.
It's just become a way to cheat instead of being a way to restart the game.

I won't even start on lineouts and how absurd they have become.

I'm inclined to agree in many ways. Safety, perhaps rightly, has got in the way. The rules on squint put ins have seemingly been dropped and I definitely agree on the faffing about and time it too often takes to get a decent scrum to take place.

Tend to agree on lineouts too. Refs almost never pull them back for bent throws and they happen more often than not. Lifting is pretty farcical, particularly when combined w/ not being allowed to contact a jumper when he's in the air.

I wouldn't want to go full League, but I definitely don't like the way the game is going.

I'd also change the back foot offside at breakdowns as well. Too many encroach and get away w/ it and combined w/ the modern fitness etc, there's no space outside. Perhaps reduce teams to 13-a-side a la League (w/ loss being from forwards), but maintain scrums, lineouts etc.

[navyblueshorts]

Surprised no one has mention how much of a moron Kieran Tripier is. What is wrong with these multi millionaire players that they need to bet?

Boredom? Was this Trippier betting, or passing inside info on to others? Thought I saw something that suggested the latter, but may be me imagining it...

[super_realist]

Surprised no one has mention how much of a moron Kieran Tripier is. What is wrong with these multi millionaire players that they need to bet?

Boredom? Was this Trippier betting, or passing inside info on to others? Thought I saw something that suggested the latter, but may be me imagining it...

Either way its idiotic behaviour.
Football seems to be the least professional sport when it come to behaving as one should. Maybe it's because there's a lot of them, maybe because it is covered more but there's always so many stories of players being thick, greedy, weak willed or whatever.

[dynamark]

I was in the local store yesterday and a fella in front bought his baccy and whisky and then went through his lottery numbers 7 8 21 34 37 48 55 and then he bought a lucky dip.I mentioned that 1234567 had exactly the same chance and got a mouthful of abuse, Incredible
If you get the chance to visit a holocaust site yer man Hitler spent a couple of years exterminating what we would call gypsies before he really got onto the jewish group.

[super_realist]

I was in the local store yesterday  and a fella in front bought his baccy and whisky and then went through his lottery numbers 7 8  21 34 37 48 55 and then he bought a lucky dip.I mentioned that 1234567 had exactly the same chance and got a mouthful of abuse, Incredible
If you get the chance to visit a holocaust site yer man Hitler spent a couple of years exterminating what we would call gypsies before he really got onto the jewish  group.

It's amazing how stupid some people can be in regards to lottery numbers. They don't understand that we give numbers intrinsic values which the numbers don't give a toss about.

I also remember a guy saying that if you bought two lottery tickets the 14m/1 odds went down to 7m/1. I tried to explain that there was 14m unique combinations or whatever it was and that two tickets simply meant you had two of those combinations and therefore he only had a two in 14m chance of winning but he wasn't having it either.

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