Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

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The problem states, "If I buy two tickets with different numbers" – msinghal Jul 22 '15 at 6:40
Correct. I just wanted to clarify this explicitly, since this apparently causes the confusion in the internet the OP was writing about... – Bernhard Jul 22 '15 at 7:38
So let me get this right. If I have a 1 in 14 million of chance of winning the lottery, if I buy a further ticket with a different sequence of numbers to the first one for the same draw my chance of winning is slashed to 1 in 7 million? – Rickie Jul 22 '15 at 8:16
Yes, that is correct. – Bernhard Jul 22 '15 at 8:23

[beninho]

They weren't increasing, they were dropping in October and carried on dropping. The problem for Manchester and the North was the first lockdown was opened to soon for them.

[Soul Requiem]

Cases would have dropped more rapidly if Burnham hadn't acted like such a tool.

[beninho]

Love the snowflakes on social media getting all upset over 2 gay guys advertising a creme egg.

[Soul Requiem]

They're probably just saying it to kickstart debate

[beninho]

They're probably just saying it to kickstart debate

Maybe, or they may just be a sign that homosexuality still upsets people.

[navyblueshorts]

What would you have done as Chancellor then Ben?

Relevant how, exactly?

[navyblueshorts]

Love the snowflakes on social media getting all upset over 2 gay guys advertising a creme egg.

To be fair, since when did Cadbury's advertise Creme Eggs w/ a hetero couple necking? I don't give a 4X, but the advert is utter scheisse and ****ing stupid whether it features two beardy gay men or a hetero couple. Still, that's what you get w/ Kraft I guess. **** 'em.

[navyblueshorts]

They're probably just saying it to kickstart debate

Maybe, or they may just be a sign that homosexuality still upsets people.

Maybe, but maybe some think the virtue signalling nature of it stinks?

[beninho]

They're probably just saying it to kickstart debate

Maybe, or they may just be a sign that homosexuality still upsets people.

Maybe, but maybe some think the virtue signalling nature of it stinks?

You think same sex couples in adverts is virtue signalling. I'd love an explanation on that nonsensical claim.

[beninho]

Love the snowflakes on social media getting all upset over 2 gay guys advertising a creme egg.

To be fair, since when did Cadbury's advertise Creme Eggs w/ a hetero couple necking? I don't give a 4X, but the advert is utter scheisse and ****ing stupid whether it features two beardy gay men or a hetero couple. Still, that's what you get w/ Kraft I guess. **** 'em.

But you remember the sexually implied flake adverts from the late 80s?

[navyblueshorts]

They're probably just saying it to kickstart debate

Maybe, or they may just be a sign that homosexuality still upsets people.

Maybe, but maybe some think the virtue signalling nature of it stinks?

You think same sex couples in adverts is virtue signalling. I'd love an explanation on that nonsensical claim.

Go and read what I wrote? I hope people complain; it's scheisse and inappropriate. In addition, you don't see hetero couples necking in a Creme Egg advert - what a right on, woke advert.

[navyblueshorts]

Love the snowflakes on social media getting all upset over 2 gay guys advertising a creme egg.

To be fair, since when did Cadbury's advertise Creme Eggs w/ a hetero couple necking? I don't give a 4X, but the advert is utter scheisse and ****ing stupid whether it features two beardy gay men or a hetero couple. Still, that's what you get w/ Kraft I guess. **** 'em.

But you remember the sexually implied flake adverts from the late 80s?

Oh, Jesus wept. That was the ****ing late 80s! It isn't now. You think models giving a flake a blow job is acceptable now? Clearly you do.

[beninho]

They're probably just saying it to kickstart debate

Maybe, or they may just be a sign that homosexuality still upsets people.

Maybe, but maybe some think the virtue signalling nature of it stinks?

You think same sex couples in adverts is virtue signalling. I'd love an explanation on that nonsensical claim.

Go and read what I wrote? I hope people complain; it's scheisse and inappropriate. In addition, you don't see hetero couples necking in a Creme Egg advert - what a right on, woke advert.

Oh dear you are a woke sayer. Surely anyone who thinks its virtue signalling is an idiot. You see gay and straight in many adverts.  If people complain, they clearly are homophobic.

Is it right move or zoopla that has lesbians? Is that virtue signalling aswell? And Renault. Virtue signalling..jesus wept

[beninho]

I do find what people find offensive quite difficult to comprehend sometimes.

[Soul Requiem]

What would you have done as Chancellor then Ben?

Relevant how, exactly?

It's relevant in order to establish if people understand the subject they are talking about.

[McLaren]

What would you have done as Chancellor then Ben?

Relevant how, exactly?

It's relevant in order to establish if people understand the subject they are talking about.

What would you have done as chancellor Soul?

[JAS]

Cases would have dropped more rapidly if Burnham hadn't acted like such a tool.

In what way was Burnham a tool? Because he didn’t meekly submit to a shockingly mismanaged government approach. Who do you think would have a better idea of what was going on on the ground in Greater Manchester at the time? The local Mayor or Boris & Hancock who were shovelling cash into Deloitte & Sercos pockets telling the country everything was going to be fine?

Also I’m already getting a little bit tired of the Starmer “Captain hindsight” tag, not least because I can’t think of a single situation where he’s been behind Johnson in coming to a logical common sense conclusion on any aspect of the Pandemic. But I may just have missed it.

[Soul Requiem]

Cases would have dropped more rapidly if Burnham hadn't acted like such a tool.

In what way was Burnham a tool? Because he didn’t meekly submit to a shockingly mismanaged government approach. Who do you think would have a better idea of what was going on on the ground in Greater Manchester at the time? he local Mayor or Boris & Hancock who were shovelling cash into Deloitte & Sercos pockets telling the country everything was going to be fine?

Also I’m already getting a little bit tired of the Starmer “Captain hindsight” tag, not least because I can’t think of a single situation where he’s been behind Johnson in coming to a logical common sense conclusion on any aspect of the Pandemic. But I may just have missed it.

Standard rubbish from you.

The government would have a better idea of what's going on, they have access to all the same data as Burnham if not more and all he was doing was a powerplay to further his own political career, he didn't care about the people of Manchester.

[JAS]

Cases would have dropped more rapidly if Burnham hadn't acted like such a tool.

In what way was Burnham a tool? Because he didn’t meekly submit to a shockingly mismanaged government approach. Who do you think would have a better idea of what was going on on the ground in Greater Manchester at the time? he local Mayor or Boris & Hancock who were shovelling cash into Deloitte & Sercos pockets telling the country everything was going to be fine?

Also I’m already getting a little bit tired of the Starmer “Captain hindsight” tag, not least because I can’t think of a single situation where he’s been behind Johnson in coming to a logical common sense conclusion on any aspect of the Pandemic. But I may just have missed it.

Standard rubbish from you.

The government would have a better idea of what's going on, they have access to all the same data as Burnham if not more and all he was doing was a powerplay to further his own political career, he didn't care about the people of Manchester.

Standard response from yourself, I can’t say (and presumably neither can you) if they had access to the same data. What I almost certainly could say though is that Burnham WOULD in his capacity as a local leader be more in touch with working class Mancunians than an aloof Etonian, it would be patently absurd to suggest differently. Burnham I don’t think has any lofty political ambitions any longer, he’s been on the front bench and bid for the leadership before settling back to his now more local role. Does make you wonder sometimes how different things might have been had he & not Corbyn prevailed in 2015.

[Soul Requiem]

Standard response from yourself, I can’t say (and presumably neither can you) if they had access to the same data. What I almost certainly could say though is that Burnham WOULD in his capacity as a local leader be more in touch with working class Mancunians than an aloof Etonian, it would be patently absurd to suggest differently. Burnham I don’t think has any lofty political ambitions any longer, he’s been on the front bench and bid for the leadership before settling back to his now more local role. Does make you wonder sometimes how different things might have been had he & not Corbyn prevailed in 2015.

What difference does that make aside from highlight your own prejudices?

[beninho]

Wasn't it just 5m that the government were fighting over, and didn't they even decrease the offer aswell. Shame they didn't care enough sbout manchester, any increase was on them.

Thats another way to look at it. Maybe because the money wasn't to a friend of the party they suddenly got a bit tight on it.

[JAS]

Well it's nice to know, even though you don't know me and have never met me that you have such an apparently detailed grasp of my prejudices...well done you. Meanwhile back in the real world are you actually saying that Johnson is more in tune with your average Manc than Burnham?

This is going to sound like a slur but it's an honest observation. I really don't think Johnson is that in touch with anything and hasn't really been since his Covid episode back in April.
Soul, we are heading to be the 5th member of the exclusive 100k+ club, (with by far the smallest population in that club). It's a club consisting of nations with despotic lunatics as leaders (ok maybe a bit harsh on Mexico). So what does that say about Johnson? Ok he's not a despotic lunatic but I think it needs serious explanation as to why the worlds 5th richest democracy is going to be 5th to pass the grim 100k milestone. As the 21st most populous country in the world, how have we managed to leapfrog so many other much more populous and poorer nations? I tried to see the positive side in Johnson, I really did, especially after he went through the mill himself but in the cold light of day, 10 months in and 9 since he was ill himself our performance in this pandemic has been utter scheiss. We can blame ourselves, we can blame our leaders, we can say it's a combination of both. Either way, it needs firm leadership to get us out of where we are.

[Soul Requiem]

Well it's nice to know, even though you don't know me and have never met me that you have such an apparently detailed grasp of my prejudices...well done you. Meanwhile back in the real world are you actually saying that Johnson is more in tune with your average Manc than Burnham?

From your posting history I do feel I have an adequate grasp of your prejudices to call you out on them, why else do you continually state such rubbish. You can repeat this as often as you want , Burnham being more in tune with your average Manc doesn't mean he's always acting in their best interest and he certainly wasn't back in October. It doesn't suit the consensus agenda on here to highlight he was trying to further his own reputation.

[beninho]

Andrew Neill said it correctly, Johnson is not a leader for a crisis. He is a cheerleader. Probably good for the better times, though with Brexit no idea when that will be again.

[McLaren]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

[Soul Requiem]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

[beninho]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

Your opinion seems to be that the government have done great. Not sure you have criticised them at all. Its a very strange take.

[Soul Requiem]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

Your opinion seems to be that the government have done great. Not sure you have criticised them at all. Its a very strange take.  

You find a lot strange in fairness, tends to be when people have different views to you. I need to remember that you're an intellectual heavy hitter.

[beninho]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

Your opinion seems to be that the government have done great. Not sure you have criticised them at all. Its a very strange take.  

You find a lot strange in fairness, tends to be when people have different views to you. I need to remember that you're an intellectual heavy hitter.

Don't forget it. You also seem to find different views to yours strange though, dont you?

[McLaren]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

No, people should fall in line with reason.

[Soul Requiem]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

No, people should fall in line with reason.

You mean your opinion of what reason is, lets not confuse your opinion with fact now shall we.

[Soul Requiem]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

Your opinion seems to be that the government have done great. Not sure you have criticised them at all. Its a very strange take.  

You find a lot strange in fairness, tends to be when people have different views to you. I need to remember that you're an intellectual heavy hitter.

Don't forget it. You also seem to find different views to yours strange though, dont you?  

I don't tend to find different views strange no, I may disagree strongly but that's normal.

[McLaren]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

No, people should fall in line with reason.

You mean your opinion of what reason is, lets not confuse your opinion with fact now shall we.

My opinion happens to be fact, but you seem confused.

[navyblueshorts]

They're probably just saying it to kickstart debate

Maybe, or they may just be a sign that homosexuality still upsets people.

Maybe, but maybe some think the virtue signalling nature of it stinks?

You think same sex couples in adverts is virtue signalling. I'd love an explanation on that nonsensical claim.

Go and read what I wrote? I hope people complain; it's scheisse and inappropriate. In addition, you don't see hetero couples necking in a Creme Egg advert - what a right on, woke advert.

Oh dear you are a woke sayer. Surely anyone who thinks its virtue signalling is an idiot. You see gay and straight in many adverts.  If people complain, they clearly are homophobic.

Is it right move or zoopla that has lesbians? Is that virtue signalling aswell? And Renault. Virtue signalling..jesus wept

Moving on...

[navyblueshorts]

What would you have done as Chancellor then Ben?

Relevant how, exactly?

It's relevant in order to establish if people understand the subject they are talking about.

OK, will give you that, especially in this case.

[navyblueshorts]

What would you have done as Chancellor then Ben?

Relevant how, exactly?

It's relevant in order to establish if people understand the subject they are talking about.

What would you have done as chancellor Soul?

[navyblueshorts]

Cases would have dropped more rapidly if Burnham hadn't acted like such a tool.

In what way was Burnham a tool? Because he didn’t meekly submit to a shockingly mismanaged government approach. Who do you think would have a better idea of what was going on on the ground in Greater Manchester at the time? The local Mayor or Boris & Hancock who were shovelling cash into Deloitte & Sercos pockets telling the country everything was going to be fine?

Also I’m already getting a little bit tired of the Starmer “Captain hindsight” tag, not least because I can’t think of a single situation where he’s been behind Johnson in coming to a logical common sense conclusion on any aspect of the Pandemic. But I may just have missed it.

We've been over this. Digging his heels in like he did was stupid as it prevented his area getting any help. Of course, he wasn't playing politics at all...

[navyblueshorts]

Standard response from yourself, I can’t say (and presumably neither can you) if they had access to the same data. What I almost certainly could say though is that Burnham WOULD in his capacity as a local leader be more in touch with working class Mancunians than an aloof Etonian, it would be patently absurd to suggest differently. Burnham I don’t think has any lofty political ambitions any longer, he’s been on the front bench and bid for the leadership before settling back to his now more local role. Does make you wonder sometimes how different things might have been had he & not Corbyn prevailed in 2015.

What difference does that make aside from highlight your own prejudices?

Labour politicians read their so-called red wall supporters really well at the last GE, didn't they? Clearly, a working-class background (for some of them) really helped them understand...

[navyblueshorts]

Wasn't it just 5m that the government were fighting over, and didn't they even decrease the offer aswell. Shame they didn't care enough sbout manchester, any increase was on them.

Thats another way to look at it. Maybe because the money wasn't to a friend of the party they suddenly got a bit tight on it.

Nope. Still you don't get it. If they'd caved to Burnham's demands, they'd have had to re-open all the talking re. Liverpool and elsewhere. Was never going to happen.

[navyblueshorts]

Well it's nice to know, even though you don't know me and have never met me that you have such an apparently detailed grasp of my prejudices...well done you. Meanwhile back in the real world are you actually saying that Johnson is more in tune with your average Manc than Burnham?

This is going to sound like a slur but it's an honest observation. I really don't think Johnson is that in touch with anything and hasn't really been since his Covid episode back in April.
Soul, we are heading to be the 5th member of the exclusive 100k+ club, (with by far the smallest population in that club). It's a club consisting of nations with despotic lunatics as leaders (ok maybe a bit harsh on Mexico). So what does that say about Johnson? Ok he's not a despotic lunatic but I think it needs serious explanation as to why the worlds 5th richest democracy is going to be 5th to pass the grim 100k milestone. As the 21st most populous country in the world, how have we managed to leapfrog so many other much more populous and poorer nations? I tried to see the positive side in Johnson, I really did, especially after he went through the mill himself but in the cold light of day, 10 months in and 9 since he was ill himself our performance in this pandemic has been utter scheiss. We can blame ourselves, we can blame our leaders, we can say it's a combination of both. Either way, it needs firm leadership to get us out of where we are.

Please. Let's see if/how others deal w/ vastly more transmissible SARS2 variants before we make this sort of judgement. Prior to this variant, Italy had nicely overtaken us and France was gaining, but this is a poor excuse some for sort of political p!ssing contest. Seems to me that you don't want to factor this sort of thing in. Doesn't fit your politics I guess.

[navyblueshorts]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

That's right. Parrot the same nonsense over and over as if it makes you some sort of sage. You're way too ignorant, as the evidence clearly demonstrates, to even begin to understand what I write or grasp the shades of grey in any issue.

[navyblueshorts]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

Your opinion seems to be that the government have done great. Not sure you have criticised them at all. Its a very strange take.  

[navyblueshorts]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

No, people should fall in line with reason.

[navyblueshorts]

Jas

When you put it in those terms the UK's covid response is even more shocking than I thought it was. But I just don't think the government will ever get the blame for it, or have to take responsibility for it. Just take 606v2 as an example, people like Navy and Super who probably don't even vote for boris and co have fought hard against the idea that we can blame the government for the UK's relatively terrible Covid response.

So people should fall in line with your opinion?

No, people should fall in line with reason.

You mean your opinion of what reason is, lets not confuse your opinion with fact now shall we.

My opinion happens to be fact, but you seem confused.

I know this is meant to be a WUM, but I also know that you clearly believe it.

[navyblueshorts]

On reflection, this thread is currently absurd. Too many, myself included, are just throwing insults around. I've locked it. Will open it again in a week or so to allow people to cool off.

[navyblueshorts]

OK. As promised, this thread is open again. Let's (myself included) try to keep it polite going forward. Debate the point, not the man/women. Bear in mind, there's also the 'Off Topic' area of the forums for this sort of stuff.

[JuliusHMarx]

I'm telling you, I won by a landslide!!

[beninho]

I'll kick it off.

Imagine caring more about statues then people who need to claim benefits.

[Shotrock]

54 hours and counting until the orange man is off premises.

If you have watched any news in these United States (perhaps not the Faux News Network as much) you've seen numerous domestic terrorists abuse the term "Patriots" countless times.

I'm guessing my father (DDay + 3 and Battle of the Bulge) and older brother (Vietnam field medic) better fit that description than a camo-wearing Confederate flag waving nut.

Thanks for listening all.

[pedro]

I can’t wait to see DT presidential library. Presumably it will be on Manhattan and full of books about Macchiavelli and Narcissus. Good luck.

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