Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

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The problem states, "If I buy two tickets with different numbers" – msinghal Jul 22 '15 at 6:40
Correct. I just wanted to clarify this explicitly, since this apparently causes the confusion in the internet the OP was writing about... – Bernhard Jul 22 '15 at 7:38
So let me get this right. If I have a 1 in 14 million of chance of winning the lottery, if I buy a further ticket with a different sequence of numbers to the first one for the same draw my chance of winning is slashed to 1 in 7 million? – Rickie Jul 22 '15 at 8:16
Yes, that is correct. – Bernhard Jul 22 '15 at 8:23

[navyblueshorts]

I'll kick it off.

Imagine caring more about statues then people who need to claim benefits.

I'll bite (). Who says that you trying to link those two, utterly independent issues, actually makes the point a valid one?

[navyblueshorts]

54 hours and counting until the orange man is off premises.

If you have watched any news in these United States (perhaps not the Faux News Network as much) you've seen numerous domestic terrorists abuse the term "Patriots" countless times.

I'm guessing my father (DDay + 3 and Battle of the Bulge) and older brother (Vietnam field medic) better fit that description than a camo-wearing Confederate flag waving nut.

Thanks for listening all.

Agreed. Kind of goes hand-in-hand w/ the Fool-in-Chief and his surrounding himself w/ ex-military, wrapping himself in the flag and being seen to be a strong man. Typical of a coward who apparently did anything to avoid Vietnam.

Would like to listen to your father's tale, especially.

[navyblueshorts]

I can’t wait to see DT presidential library. Presumably it will be on Manhattan and full of books about Macchiavelli and Narcissus. Good luck.

Doubt there'll be one, unless they're partly designed to preserve a President's record for history (are they?). I'm sure the World can live w/o it.

[beninho]

I'll kick it off.

Imagine caring more about statues then people who need to claim benefits.

I'll bite (). Who says that you trying to link those two, utterly independent issues, actually makes the point a valid one?

Jenrick made a point about wanting to protect statues, he then didn't vote to stop a cut for people who need benefit assistance. Serms to show he cares about one more than the other. And if its government policy to protect statues by bringing in laws, while wanting to decrease benefits to people who need it, then they are linked.

[I'm never wrong]

I'll kick it off.

Imagine caring more about statues then people who need to claim benefits.

I'll bite (). Who says that you trying to link those two, utterly independent issues, actually makes the point a valid one?

Jenrick made a point about wanting to protect statues, he then didn't vote to stop a cut for people who need benefit assistance. Serms to show he cares about one more than the other. And if its government policy to protect statues by bringing in laws, while wanting to decrease benefits to people who need it, then they are linked.

Ben, you have conflated two issues. They are just two different policies being "considered" by the governement. It just so happens they are being dealt with at the same time. The fact that they are "pro" one and "anti" another might justify the disapproval, but to consider them linked is wrong. Governments consider lots of things at the same time.

I would agree with you if MPs were told that if they voted a particular way on one policy (against their better judgement) it would cause another policy that they were desperately hoping to succeed to become law. But I can see no evidence of this with these two items.

[beninho]

I get they are separate issues. But, it does seem to me, that some mps are more concerned about the statues then the cuts in UC. Separate issues they may be.

[I'm never wrong]

But, it does seem to me, that some mps are more concerned about the statues then the cuts in UC.

In my mind Ben, protecting statues is not important at the moment. Dealing with Covid - and the issue of UC is now part of that, are far more important.

[dynamark]

Has the govt had a U turn on this thread .?

[dynamark]

My understanding is that the UC uplift is in place until April anyway its not stopping this friday !!.Remember govt money is taxpayers money after all and maybe we should bear that in mind.
Statues are statues bit like history books and paintings usually representing the victors.

[beninho]

But, it does seem to me, that some mps are more concerned about the statues then the cuts in UC.

In my mind Ben, protecting statues is not important at the moment. Dealing with Covid - and the issue of UC is now part of that, are far more important.

The statues are not important. But was a way to bash the lefties. Its a bit culture war, and playing to the base.

Why, it needs bringing up now, im unsure.

[navyblueshorts]

But, it does seem to me, that some mps are more concerned about the statues then the cuts in UC.

In my mind Ben, protecting statues is not important at the moment. Dealing with Covid - and the issue of UC is now part of that, are far more important.

The statues are not important. But was a way to bash the lefties. Its a bit culture war, and playing to the base.

Why, it needs bringing up now, im unsure.

On the face of it, no. They're just objects after all, even if people ascribe meaning to many of them. However, allowing a lawless mob to vandalise things just because they deem it OK isn't a good way to go about maintaining a Society that thinks laws are important. Yes, I'm considering this one issue in isolation.

[beninho]

Don't think mobs were allowed to damage statues, that was criminal damage, I think people were charged over the Bristol one. That isn't the issue. But, having to go to the culture Secretary if a local council wants to remove a statue seems a bit over the top. And, again, unsure what point it covers apart from give them the chance to say Woke and lefty.

[Soul Requiem]

Any opportunity to say woke and lefty is fine by me, if it's warranted.

[JAS]

Any opportunity to say woke and lefty is fine by me, if it's warranted.

There's somebody else that loves to ridicule woke and lefty...and he's getting evicted today. Trouble he's left a legacy of up to 70 million nut jobs who've been whipped up into a foaming at the mouth left hating frenzy.

Having said that, many on the left need to stop being so bloody woke and prioritise what SHOULD be the key issues for the left.

[Shotrock]

JAS - Good point ... and let's not forget:

15 Miles of a border wall have been built and Mexico did not pay for any of it.

Obamacare has not been repealed.

[Soul Requiem]

Any opportunity to say woke and lefty is fine by me, if it's warranted.

There's somebody else that loves to ridicule woke and lefty...and he's getting evicted today. Trouble he's left a legacy of up to 70 million nut jobs who've been whipped up into a foaming at the mouth left hating frenzy.

Having said that, many on the left need to stop being so bloody woke and prioritise what SHOULD be the key issues for the left.

My issue with the woke culture and it's highlighted on here to an extent is that people say what they think they should rather than what they actually believe.

[McLaren]

My issue with the woke culture and it's highlighted on here to an extent is that people say what they think they should rather than what they actually believe.

For me that was always the hope for political correctness. In that the dim witted general public would just resort to it even if they didn't understand why. Political correctness is a set of rules you can follow if you are not smart enough to work things out for yourself. If you feel a pang of racism, homophobia, sexism etc just resort to political correctness.

[Soul Requiem]

That's why you follow the 'political correctness rules', makes sense now.

[McLaren]

Anyone watching the inauguration?

[navyblueshorts]

My issue with the woke culture and it's highlighted on here to an extent is that people say what they think they should rather than what they actually believe.

For me that was always the hope for political correctness. In that the dim witted general public would just resort to it even if they didn't understand why. Political correctness is a set of rules you can follow if you are not smart enough to work things out for yourself. If you feel a pang of racism, homophobia, sexism etc just resort to political correctness.

Interesting take on it; hadn't really thought of it like that. Problem w/ people realising they might be a little on the dark side though, perhaps, if they're dim witted?

Relies a little too much on too many that are dim witted deciding on what is 'correct' for my liking.

[beninho]

Remember when people used to say its political correctness gone made, usually idiots. Now its about blaming woke culture. Isn't it generally people who claim to like free speech who then get riled because they think people are woke.

[Soul Requiem]

I tend to find the woke brigade to be the idiots but each to their own.

[beninho]

I tend to find the woke brigade to be the idiots but each to their own.

Woke brigade..oh dear.

Anyway, what upsets you so much about people being woke?

God, I hate that word, its so bloody stupid.

[Soul Requiem]

Oh dear, the WB are offended again.

[beninho]

These days, they throw you in jail just for saying your English.

[beninho]

Oh dear, the WB are offended again.

I'm really not Woke. And It takes a hell of a lot to offended me. I am naturally curious, and while, to me, its easy to remember the daftness of political correctness gone made, I like to understand what upsets people about woke.

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/AndyHa_/status/1351940088146632712?s=19

[McLaren]

I tend to find the woke brigade to be the idiots but each to their own.

Yeh I am also curious if you can provide a half decent/specific definition of what both woke and the woke brigade are?

And also what about wokeness is it that so offends or angers you?

[beninho]

woke
/wəʊk/
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verb
past of wake1.
adjectiveINFORMAL•US
alert to injustice in society, especially racism.
"we need to stay angry, and stay woke"


I can see how people really hate those alert to injustice and racism. Such a bad thing to be...

[Soul Requiem]

My opinion seems to have bothered the pair of you so i'd say that's job done, is this the point I do a Ben and say 'I don't care'?

[beninho]

Again, not really bothered. But, im glad you've clarified that you don't have issues with the woke. Thats good to know. I still have issues with the sort who said pc gone mad.

[beninho]

Roger Daltrey. Now there's an idiot.

[Soul Requiem]

Again, not really bothered. But, im glad you've clarified that you don't have issues with the woke. Thats good to know. I still have issues with the sort who said pc gone mad.

Is that why you're ok with misogynistic comments and when questioned reply, 'I don't care'?

[beninho]

Again, not really bothered. But, im glad you've clarified that you don't have issues with the woke. Thats good to know. I still have issues with the sort who said pc gone mad.

Is that why you're ok with misogynistic comments and when questioned reply, 'I don't care'?

I dont really recall the argument. But, it probably didn't bother me.

[Soul Requiem]

You're back to caring again now, interesting.

On a separate note i'm baffled by the reverence some are showing Joe Biden, a man who has been accused on multiple occasions of sexual misconduct. Innocent until proven guilty but those involved in the #metoo movement seem to ignoring his less than stellar past because he's replaced an utter nutjob, they're quick to assume guilt when it suits their argument which is fair enough but their views changed when it doesn't. Surely you have to be all one way or the other?

The end of Trump's presidency is without doubt a cause for celebration but Biden replacing him is not.

[beninho]

What am I meant to be caring about? There's a fukload more i don't care about in this world, then what i do.

[JAS]

You're back to caring again now, interesting.

The end of Trump's presidency is without doubt a cause for celebration but Biden replacing him is not.

Unfortunately, that was the only offer on the table, who would you have preferred?? I'm guessing another Republican but they were never going to have the spine to push someone to challenge the Donald in the Primaries

Of the Democrats, plenty of choice but...who did they actually have that could have a) beaten Trump then b) done what you would consider a good job. No good offering up someone that would do a great b) if they could get past a)

[Soul Requiem]

You're back to caring again now, interesting.

The end of Trump's presidency is without doubt a cause for celebration but Biden replacing him is not.

Unfortunately, that was the only offer on the table, who would you have preferred?? I'm guessing another Republican but they were never going to have the spine to push someone to challenge the Donald in the Primaries

Of the Democrats, plenty of choice but...who did they actually have that could have a) beaten Trump then b) done what you would consider a good job. No good offering up someone that would do a great b) if they could get past a)

I'd probably consider myself a Democrat were I voting in America to be honest JAS which is why i'm baffled by Biden's reputation in the UK. The only Republican I felt any affinity to was John McCain.

Pete Buttigieg would have been my personal choice but let's be honest that's not going to happen for a while yet and as you point out would not have beaten Trump for obvious reasons.

[McLaren]

My opinion seems to have bothered the pair of you so i'd say that's job done, is this the point I do a Ben and say 'I don't care'?

Not sure it has bothered me I am just curious how you would define Wokeness, and woke brigade. And also how you identify people who belong to the woke brigade.

[dynamark]

I am no history buff but Biden has been at it (politics) for a very very long time ,he has some stamina for the job.Very surprised he got the nomination at that age ,Trump is no spring chicken either,I assume Biden has had tremendous finance and resource behind him which sadly means one can become president of the USA if you have that behind you.

[Shotrock]

Put another way, you can't become President without tremendous finance and resource behind you.

Biden does not come from great family wealth, nor did Obama or Clinton, but once chosen the machine will see you get your chance.

Must say, I'm much happier today knowing that DT is not in office. The number of former cabinet members, advisors, etc. who - when not working for him any longer - spill the beans on his erratic and questionable judgement is astounding to me.

[JAS]

Put another way, you can't become President without tremendous finance and resource behind you.

Biden does not come from great family wealth, nor did Obama or Clinton, but once chosen the machine will see you get your chance.

Must say, I'm much happier today knowing that DT is not in office. The number of former cabinet members, advisors, etc. who - when not working for him any longer - spill the beans on his erratic and questionable judgement is astounding to me.

What's even more astounding is that over 74 million wanted him to carry on. Where does one even start to unpick such a massive self harming cult?? Not only unpick it, but also prevent it falling for the next nut job with enough money and an insatiable appetite for power and the ability to lie his way into that position? Easy to say, yeah it won't happen again...we'll see it coming but actually most onlookers with a modicum of common sense saw this one coming yet it still happened.

[McLaren]

Jas

Similarly baffling proportions of out population voted for Brexit and/or Boris. Voting for brexit was just as mad as voting for Trump again.

[navyblueshorts]

Jas

Similarly baffling proportions of out population voted for Brexit and/or Boris. Voting for brexit was just as mad as voting for Trump again.

You're assuming all people who vote in ways you don't get do so for singular reasons you don't like. Too narrow a view.

Think people have priorities (jobs in former steel working parts of US, for example) and are prepared to hold their noses on some of the less tasteful aspects of someone because other issues that a candidate promises are higher on their priorities. Yes, I know Trump was never going to successfully honour his 2016 promises to these people and you have to wonder why people believed a charlatan like that. Maybe it says a lot about people's desperation?

[McLaren]

Navy

As I said. People vote for mad/idiotic reasons.

[Shotrock]

Last I'll say on this subject (since I'm putting it all behind me!) ...

When Trump continuously lied about "the steal" his message was parroted by many a follower. More than once, in face to face conversations, I told people that I would be delighted to send an immediate email to the New York Times telling them that I have it on good authority there was massive fraud in this election and they should immediately contact XXXX. When I told the person(s) that, they backed down. I then suggested they should not do that and bring not just their truth but the "truth" to light. Once again, they scurried like rats to a corner when the lights went on. You can lie to your friends and on social media all you want, but when you do so in a court of law there are repercussions. (Not to mention the libel suits being started by voting machine companies.) I would be happy if they sent some of these convicted domestic terrorists to GITMO.

[JAS]

Jas

Similarly baffling proportions of out population voted for Brexit and/or Boris. Voting for brexit was just as mad as voting for Trump again.

You're assuming all people who vote in ways you don't get do so for singular reasons you don't like. Too narrow a view.

Think people have priorities (jobs in former steel working parts of US, for example) and are prepared to hold their noses on some of the less tasteful aspects of someone because other issues that a candidate promises are higher on their priorities. Yes, I know Trump was never going to successfully honour his 2016 promises to these people and you have to wonder why people believed a charlatan like that. Maybe it says a lot about people's desperation?

Hmmm it's not quite the same although there are similar threads Mac. Navy is right about where a lot of people that went that way are coming from. The thing that drove Trumps rise, that drove Brexit, is mainly disillusioned working class voters looking for someone to blame and looking for someone who can fix it. What they don't actually realise is that its a problem that's been fermenting since the early 80s and the right, ideologically will NEVER be able to fix it. It was them who broke it (justified by excessive union power at the end of the 70s), who globalised labour, destroyed worker collective bargaining,  who tilt macroeconomics in favour of the top end by pursuing low inflation as a economic goal as more important than full employment. Who deregulate labour markets, outsource responsibility to charlatans and deregulate banks to the point where banks can gamble away other peoples money and keep on doing it until way after its all gone then get the masses to spend a decade or 2 paying for their avarice....is it any wonder that millions are pissed off?...Trouble is they're blaming the wrong people. Reagan started it all with Reganomics, trickle down economics was sold to society as a great way to go and BOTH sides went along with it, Clinton & Obama didn't really challenge it, Blair didn't really challenge it either, he just tried to smooth the edges a bit. So ALL UK & US governments since Thatcher/Reagan have supported it and DESPITE it visibly imploding in 2008 we are STILL being convinced that there is NO alternative and sucking it up. 12 years into paying for the implosion we STILL collectively cant see that there is no such thing as Trickle down, its trickle across, Power wealth and opportunity is shared among wealthy mates and wealth trickles mainly out of economies and into offshore tax havens of the wealthy while millions live in abject poverty and millions more live a pay check away from joining them. 40 years in we should be having a serious and honest review of "trickle down"...Biden...the floor is yours...what you gonna do??

The thing is we know all politicians lie, it was certainly the case in the Brexit debate where both sides had a "Lets see who can piss highest up the wall" kind of lying contest, not just lies but also crazy extrapolations of doom if we went one way and a land of milk and honey if we went the other...from both sides. Public were left with a I either need to do a shed load of objective research by myself or just guess or not vote.
In the US, I'm not saying Joe Schmo won't have told the odd porky but against Trump Jesus it was a no contest. Did Clinton lie 4 years ago? I have no doubt there will be skeletons in that cupboard too but compared to Trump...nowhere near.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

As I said. People vote for mad/idiotic reasons.

That's not what I said. Please go back and read it again. Who're you to say that the reasons someone voted for someone like Trump weren't valid for them and, after all, he was the GOP candidate - who else are they going to vote for if they generally believe in GOP policies? As I said, people have priorities and yours might not match those of others.
Ditto re. Johnson and the Tories.

I'm not sure you will, but you have to accept that just because someone votes for an individual/party you deem to be beyond the pale, it does not mean they're somehow evil or dumb. If so many can't accept that people have perfectly valid reasons for voting differently to oneself and that doing so doesn't make them Beelzebub, there's no hope.

[navyblueshorts]

Last I'll say on this subject (since I'm putting it all behind me!) ...

When Trump continuously lied about "the steal" his message was parroted by many a follower. More than once, in face to face conversations, I told people that I would be delighted to send an immediate email to the New York Times telling them that I have it on good authority there was massive fraud in this election and they should immediately contact XXXX. When I told the person(s) that, they backed down. I then suggested they should not do that and bring not just their truth but the "truth" to light. Once again, they scurried like rats to a corner when the lights went on. You can lie to your friends and on social media all you want, but when you do so in a court of law there are repercussions. (Not to mention the libel suits being started by voting machine companies.) I would be happy if they sent some of these convicted domestic terrorists to GITMO.

Yeah. Good post. See also road rage - no-one (or very few) would behave like such a complete dork in a face-to-face situation, but somehow they're absurd in a car. Human behaviour I guess.

[beninho]

Vaccine obe done. Let bill Gates into my veins!

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