6CWF Chat v1 (100th edition)

First topic message reminder :

JJ,

Sorry about lack of a promo for last show, I was on holiday and took delivery of our puppy, truth be told, I needed a break from life.

Will sort something with Marky.

Scorpion should never have won the hardcore title. Looking back at some of my promos. Yikes

That i was actually considered to win the title many years ago off Cassius, hindsight being a godsend as my promos turned to crap after that

Uryu Ishida wrote:That i was actually considered to win the title many years ago off Cassius, hindsight being a godsend as my promos turned to crap after that

Behave Rob, your promos are always good! don't do yourself down

All of our promos have probably improved over the years, but I don’t think anyone should do themselves a disservice. If you’ve turned up and got involved, that’s always been a big tick from me.

The River era was strange. There was some great times but I just think overall for the amount of activity we had going at the time, it should have been better. His booking of Hooligan still gives me shivers to be fair

My one power abuse was giving Max Adamson his Australian Championship back

To be fair, Marky, if you were the boss and decided to give Rex or Max everything, nobody would be arsed. Infact, we'd all probably be joyous

Chris giving Robin Reborn the win at Born in Fire and Destiny was grand also, absolute bedlam

I've never had a real issue with people booking themselves to be Champion, I just couldn't do it myself. My personal view on it is, being booked to be World Champion is a reward for the effort you've put in, so booking yourself to win would be "rewarding yourself" (even if promo wise it would be deserved), and didn't sit right with me.

Even in the 6wE days, I didn't want to make Max the Champion (partly because as a heel it was always better to have him fall short)

Snake Eyes going over The Saint multiple times was BS in my humble opinion. I think The Saint only held the 6WF title for a couple of PPVs if that and lost it, whilst being written completely at odds to how he'd always been portrayed. I appreciate that I was a bit of a diva though...

I think a booker can be world champion but it has to make sense in the grand scheme and it has to have the right payoff. Just booking yourself as a dominant champion is probably going to rub people up the wrong way. I was world champion when I took over Shutdown but I used my position to first elevate Median, which added credibility to the 6CW/6WF war and then I put over Napalm into a dominant heel position.

I also booked Snake Eyes to beat Saint but there were reasons behind it that had nothing to do with promo ability. Unfortunately River and Drake were an absolute nightmare when it came to booking the war storyline so me and Dicey were left to make it as competitive as we possibly could.

River didn’t want Adamson/Prodigy to win the tag titles at Born in Fire although it made sense. We then put the belts on Revolution for a month which he hated. I dropped the TAW Title to Median for a month also.

Thing is River was adamant that the 6WF title couldn’t be used for any 6CW stars. So we had to move Saint to 6CWs side and have Snake Eyes chase him although both were 6WF wrestlers really. Shame because 6CW had some great guys who we could have built feuds with.Saint being 6WF champion against some of 6CWs top guys probably could have produced something much better

I remember there being legit reasons behind it. We all have that one story that irks us something chronic though! That whole thing just got very messy from what I remember.

JJJohnson wrote:River didn’t want Adamson/Prodigy to win the tag titles at Born in Fire although it made sense.

Yeah it did

DP wrote:I remember there being legit reasons behind it. We all have that one story that irks us something chronic though! That whole thing just got very messy from what I remember.

Never to the extent of an Urgent PM though

River probably would have been fine with any 6CW wrestler alongside Prodigy winning the 6WF Tag Titles.

Just not the one who had recently defected to 6CW via 6wE

River tried to "bury" me on the way out of 6WF, having River Ace beat Max Adamson with Max's own finisher

Despite the fact it makes my finisher look stronger than his own...

Bentyf1 wrote:QOTD

What's your biggest hear me out over E-fedding?

Logan Kincade and Blue Dragons hardcore feuds at least rivals Cassius Zhi v JJ Johnson battles.

Marky wrote:

DP wrote:I remember there being legit reasons behind it. We all have that one story that irks us something chronic though! That whole thing just got very messy from what I remember.

Never to the extent of an Urgent PM though

I never publicly announced mine...

urgent pms for all

Bentyf1 wrote:urgent pms for all

Urgent PM's for some, miniature American flags for others

Bentyf1 wrote:

Uryu Ishida wrote:That i was actually considered to win the title many years ago off Cassius, hindsight being a godsend as my promos turned to crap after that

Behave Rob, your promos are always good! don't do yourself down

no, there was a noticable dip back then after that. even i saw it.

I think your mistake, Uryu, was changing to ‘Kuinishi’. I understand why the character was undergoing a transformation after the feud with Cassius but I think you ended up getting lost in the shuffle. Was a real shame because during that period you were heading for the top feuds, a world title run would have been logical at some point.

But, from a personal point of view, your work from around 2018 onwards has been your best by far.

JJJohnson wrote:I think your mistake, Uryu, was changing to ‘Kuinishi’. I understand why the character was undergoing a transformation after the feud with Cassius but I think you ended up getting lost in the shuffle. Was a real shame because during that period you were heading for the top feuds, a world title run would have been logical at some point.

But, from a personal point of view, your work from around 2018 onwards has been your best by far.

Which I appreciate and understand, im a natural nice guy. Heres hoping I can reach those consistent promo heights again

For me Clive, it was a bit like when Jeff Hardy tried calling himself Willow

To be honest I can’t speak for anyone else but I have re-read every 6WF and 6CW show there has been. Call it late night reading

Some characters have been underutilised in my opinion, some have been overhyped. Some storylines have been fantastic and others not so much. I look back fondly on some of my work as a booker and I roll my eyes at other parts

But everyone who has taken part over the years deserves to have something engaging to read. Just because someone may not be the best promoer doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be involved in good storylines. Some of the lesser levelled promoers have put so much more effort in than better promoers over the years.

I now try to make it so everyone has something worthwhile to engage in

And a top job you are doing Steve, we’re all having a good time

JJJohnson wrote:To be honest I can’t speak for anyone else but I have re-read every 6WF and 6CW show there has been. Call it late night reading

Some characters have been underutilised in my opinion, some have been overhyped. Some storylines have been fantastic and others not so much. I look back fondly on some of my work as a booker and I roll my eyes at other parts

But everyone who has taken part over the years deserves to have something engaging to read. Just because someone may not be the best promoer doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be involved in good storylines. Some of the lesser levelled promoers have put so much more effort in than better promoers over the years.

I now try to make it so everyone has something worthwhile to engage in

I think that's bang on. I've seen people over the years try their nuts off and maybe not get the most compelling stuff. If they're making the effort to get something posted then they ought to have something to get their teeth into.

Now I've kissed your bottom, JJ, can I have a world title please?

After Harris destroys Kent, Dale FFS

I've been looking back at older shows and it's crazy to think I've been doing this on and off for almost a third of my life. I've been enjoying jumping in to random shows in the archive and seeing what was happening at the time and seeing if it jogs my memory.

Looking forward to the PPV now as well.

Bentyf1 wrote:After Harris destroys Kent, Dale FFS

Kent wins it for me.

JJJohnson wrote:To be honest I can’t speak for anyone else but I have re-read every 6WF and 6CW show there has been. Call it late night reading

Some characters have been underutilised in my opinion, some have been overhyped. Some storylines have been fantastic and others not so much. I look back fondly on some of my work as a booker and I roll my eyes at other parts

But everyone who has taken part over the years deserves to have something engaging to read. Just because someone may not be the best promoer doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be involved in good storylines. Some of the lesser levelled promoers have put so much more effort in than better promoers over the years.

I now try to make it so everyone has something worthwhile to engage in

I'm very curious to hear what you thought of Scorpion and how you would have booked him now

JJJohnson wrote:Oooo these could create some controversy

A big one for me, before many of your times, is that Trash TV was an incredibly overrated and overhyped concept that River had a hard on for.

It was actually detrimental to the promoing ability of Enforcer, Hero and Demon who proved just how bloody good they were once they were away from it.

Hobo for me should never have gone over Nemesis at Born in Fire in a title reign that was absolutely appalling. There were so many great guys in the fed at the time that got overlooked whilst this was all just a load of backclapping and in house jokes.

Nemesis was a freaking monster, great guy and a quality promoer. His downfall should have been booked so much better

Definitely agree on this one but I’d maybe say that it wasn’t/isn’t really my sense of humour which might be why I didn’t get it. But the four guys were obviously great promoers who didn’t need that stable to be successful

Some others

- It was right that Gregers lost at Born In Fire, despite the urgent pm!
- Monster heels are the worst characters to book/write matches for, despite many of them being some of the best promoers we’ve had
- One of the few things Rich and I disagreed on was when we had TGA return (one of my favourite angles we’ve ever booked) I thought he should have beaten Crime Lord for the World Title
- Changing the hardcore title to the pure wrestling title was one of my favourite stories
- I should have won way more world titles

Pure Wrestling was quality!

Mat wrote:Some others

- It was right that Gregers lost at Born In Fire, despite the urgent pm!
- Monster heels are the worst characters to book/write matches for, despite many of them being some of the best promoers we’ve had
- One of the few things Rich and I disagreed on was when we had TGA return (one of my favourite angles we’ve ever booked) I thought he should have beaten Crime Lord for the World Title
- Changing the hardcore title to the pure wrestling title was one of my favourite stories
- I should have won way more world titles

Still waiting for your promised world title run for Scorpion...

Bull wrote:

Mat wrote:Some others

- It was right that Gregers lost at Born In Fire, despite the urgent pm!
- Monster heels are the worst characters to book/write matches for, despite many of them being some of the best promoers we’ve had
- One of the few things Rich and I disagreed on was when we had TGA return (one of my favourite angles we’ve ever booked) I thought he should have beaten Crime Lord for the World Title
- Changing the hardcore title to the pure wrestling title was one of my favourite stories
- I should have won way more world titles

Still waiting for your promised world title run for Scorpion...

Come back then ffs

warm greetings and salutations to all.

Cant believe I've only just noticed this from Helms' promo

MH: Muhammed Ali, the greatest, a man so scared of me he was shaking when we met

I've been reading Harry's trial so......

QOTD: You have a chance to put a character on trial for a claim they have made. How would you rip that claim to shreads (bonus points for any sort of factual show evidence)

Bull wrote:

JJJohnson wrote:To be honest I can’t speak for anyone else but I have re-read every 6WF and 6CW show there has been. Call it late night reading

Some characters have been underutilised in my opinion, some have been overhyped. Some storylines have been fantastic and others not so much. I look back fondly on some of my work as a booker and I roll my eyes at other parts

But everyone who has taken part over the years deserves to have something engaging to read. Just because someone may not be the best promoer doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be involved in good storylines. Some of the lesser levelled promoers have put so much more effort in than better promoers over the years.

I now try to make it so everyone has something worthwhile to engage in

I'm very curious to hear what you thought of Scorpion and how you would have booked him now

Bumping this for JJ

Bull wrote:

Bull wrote:

JJJohnson wrote:To be honest I can’t speak for anyone else but I have re-read every 6WF and 6CW show there has been. Call it late night reading

Some characters have been underutilised in my opinion, some have been overhyped. Some storylines have been fantastic and others not so much. I look back fondly on some of my work as a booker and I roll my eyes at other parts

But everyone who has taken part over the years deserves to have something engaging to read. Just because someone may not be the best promoer doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be involved in good storylines. Some of the lesser levelled promoers have put so much more effort in than better promoers over the years.

I now try to make it so everyone has something worthwhile to engage in

I'm very curious to hear what you thought of Scorpion and how you would have booked him now

Bumping this for JJ

Bumping this so Scorpion can return...

Yeah, stop twerking Bull and actually just join the party

I'm retired xD. Let me spend my Tax Dollars in peace :P

DarrenJS wrote:I've been reading Harry's trial so......

QOTD: You have a chance to put a character on trial for a claim they have made. How would you rip that claim to shreads (bonus points for any sort of factual show evidence)

Not sure anyone's made that many outlandish claims tbf

Afternoon lads

Hope we are all well

On with writing the submission match at the moment, planning out the segments for the show is proving harder than match writing

Bull - opinions, advice and feedback will now cost via the GoFundMe I will be setting up

Oooo and we’ve got double figures for promos for a show for the first time since we came back and I’ll be promoing later - look at us like a proper little fed

JJJohnson wrote:Afternoon lads

Hope we are all well

On with writing the submission match at the moment, planning out the segments for the show is proving harder than match writing

Bull - opinions, advice and feedback will now cost via the GoFundMe I will be setting up

You can't avoid my question like that

Apologies been pretty busy last week, I’ll get a promo up tonight or tomorrow

Morning lads, hope all is well

Just about to promo

QOTD: What match types do you like to see in 6CWF?

And what match types do you think we haven't seen enough of over the years?

Just interested to gauge the kind of things every likes to see. I've done a lot of different gimmick matches over the years but is there any we haven't had at all that we should? Or any that are way overdone?

Morning all. Hope everyone is well. WAKEY WAKEY WAKEY

Gimmick matches can be very cool or just a bit fugazi. I like the idea of traditional matches more than gimmicky matches but it's calm either way. I can't remember 6CWF having an I Quit match or a steel cage match for a while like, it doesn't need to be like a blood fest also, think wrestling and fedding has and should kinda move a way from that. Every now and then is fine but if it's weekly it just gets a bit meh, looses that effect

I'm a fan of the Time Attack, glad to see it back.

My first mental image of the Time Attack was that it took place inside a Hell in a Cell type structure, clearly seeking additional carnage

Maybe that's one for the future...

Marky wrote:I'm a fan of the Time Attack, glad to see it back.

My first mental image of the Time Attack was that it took place inside a Hell in a Cell type structure, clearly seeking additional carnage

Maybe that's one for the future...

Armageddon 2000 meets Unforgiven 2008 BAYBEEEEE