Ireland vs England

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Thought I'd set up a neutral venue.

Some team news is that Ryan and Ringrose have been ruled out for the home team.

No sign as yet of Underhill so Wilson on for another start unless Jones gets brave and picks Martin from the off. May actually be tempted as POM is back available.

England look a poorly coached side. But who could actually replace him? Baxter? Lam? Anyone else?

The only thing left to decide is how big the margin will be for Ireland.

hugehandoff wrote:England look a poorly coached side. But who could actually replace him? Baxter? Lam? Anyone else?  

Get Sir Clive out of the punditry box.

Don't mind the old choke tackle but the ref needs to remember the riding arm can't go over the shoulder.

Is Lawrence off?

Offside by a Frak mile Ref???

GeordieFalcon wrote:Is Lawrence off?

He should be. He's at nothing.

Billy V...shocking

Billy Cheeseburger is awful again...just lazy

Guard the maul well and youngs is so ineffective ain't he. Deserve the down vote. Breakdown rather than maul.

Farrell off, right this is your chance lads.

Why hasn't Billy been pulled for clearly not giving a s***?

England need a rebuild. Can't go into 2023 with at least half of these players, some of whom look completely shot and past it.

Duty281 wrote:The only thing left to decide is how big the margin will be for Ireland.

England are too poor to even attempt a comeback....Ireland to get the bonus point before the end

Duty281 wrote:England need a rebuild. Can't go into 2023 with at least half of these players, some of whom look completely shot and past it.

Which players are you dropping for who?

No energy or passion and Ireland too strong today

Possibly biased but Tadhg Beirne has been the player of the tournament for me

Aren't you allowed to bring Ford back on for a concussion sub?

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:England need a rebuild. Can't go into 2023 with at least half of these players, some of whom look completely shot and past it.

Which players are you dropping for who?

not the players...it is the coaching...too dull for words

theslosty wrote:Possibly biased but Tadhg Beirne has been the player of the tournament for me

Dupont for me but Beirne has been our player of the tournament with Keenan.

hugehandoff wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:England need a rebuild. Can't go into 2023 with at least half of these players, some of whom look completely shot and past it.

Which players are you dropping for who?

not the players...it is the coaching...too dull for words

Disagree on that and a bit unfair on amor and Robinson given the coving circumstances.

Shocking. No progress since 2019 RWC.

Bye bye Eddie.

Aki is standing almost on the England side at most rucks yet no pens?

Heaf wrote:Aki is standing almost on the England side at most rucks yet no pens?

One of those games. Ref is playing to his mindset rather than events. England not been able to change that.

Why are Ireland going for 3 when they're 17 points ahead?!

Red card

Think that looks red.

Heaf wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Eddie has told them to play a certain way to try things.

Been happening all tournament.  

I really hope you're right ...

Mentioned this the other week;

Genuinely think Eddie isnt that concerned with the 6 nations as a tournament....i think he sees it as just extra preparation during the World Cup cycle....& his track record in it suggests that as does his interviews and his general lack of frustration/emotion to the abject displays we have seen not just this year but others too.

Thats fine if we win a World Cup...but if fall at the final hurdle then have to ask it it worth it?

Ill say one thing ....i hope it is just a case of trying things because if he has told the players that its all about the result then we shouldnt be seeing half of this side anywhere near a test match for some time!!

Regardless.... suffice to say we have only gone backwards in the last 12 months and the results havent been the worse thing; the performances (we are absolutely dire to watch) and the drop off in levels of some of the players are the more pressing concerns.

Ireland to still win the final 1/4 with 14 players

Yup red.

Aww no way...how can that be a red....

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Heaf wrote:Aki is standing almost on the England side at most rucks yet no pens?

One of those games. Ref is playing to his mindset rather than events. England not been able to change that.

England's performance is the most annoying but it's also annoying when the officials are eagle-eyed at spotting any slight infringement by England whilst ignoring pretty clear Ireland ones ... collapsed mauls, offside etc ...

Has to be red...he was low but he was didn't get lower, he stayed the same height.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Heaf wrote:Aki is standing almost on the England side at most rucks yet no pens?

One of those games. Ref is playing to his mindset rather than events. England not been able to change that.

What's good for one team is good for the other from what I'm watching. England backs offside regularly. Their discipline has been an issue all tournament.


Aki can have no complaints about that.

Defending player kneeling on the ground.

Attacking player drops his head down at the contact.

Tackle around chest.

Red card

Still won't win as we'll keep kicking it.

well taken

Engine#4 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Heaf wrote:Aki is standing almost on the England side at most rucks yet no pens?

One of those games. Ref is playing to his mindset rather than events. England not been able to change that.

What's good for one team is good for the other from what I'm watching. England backs offside regularly.  Their discipline has been an issue all tournament.


Aki can have no complaints about that.

And on the first point Ireland have played it and done well

Brendan wrote:Defending player kneeling on the ground.

Attacking player drops his head down at the contact.

Tackle around chest.

Red card

clear red....no debate

We did something off a maul! Only the 50th of the game.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Aww no way...how can that be a red....

I agree Vunapola was very low, leading with his big head harsh red.

Daly doing a good impression of Swan Lake there

Daly is dreadful. Its not helping not having a fly half.

With the current protocols it's a red.

But given Billy was quite low, I feel there could have been a bit of mitigation and yellow would have been about right

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Aww no way...how can that be a red....

I agree Vunapola was very low, leading with his big head harsh red.

I'm a 1000% for pkayer safety but what more could Aki do there.

What was that from Daly. England fullback!!!!

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Aww no way...how can that be a red....

I agree Vunapola was very low, leading with his big head harsh red.

I'm a 1000% for pkayer safety but what more could Aki do there.

Legs!

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Aww no way...how can that be a red....

I agree Vunapola was very low, leading with his big head harsh red.

I'm a 1000% for pkayer safety but what more could Aki do there.

Tackle lower.

The red card was a bit unfortunate in my opinion.

theslosty wrote:With the current protocols it's a red.

But given Billy was quite low, I feel there could have been a bit of mitigation and yellow would have been about right

But he didn't get lower, he just stayed the same height. Aki lined him up at that height and direct shoulder to the head, 100% red.