Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

Ben Leicester have been fortunate to find wealthy owners who saved us from a deal of trouble but they could not be accused of throwing stupid money around and disregarding the fans.The PL winning team was assembled from a bunch of frees ,has beens and cheap buys I think Ulloa was the top buy at about £9m.What they then did as some players moved on for big money was start throwing some of that money about to try to maintain position with varying degrees of success.The Chairman gives away free beer and cakes on his birthday and has given a lot to local organisations including a childrens hospital ,We have been very very lucky.
I think the German teams have a different voting structure where fans have a big say.

[super_realist]

You seem to be asserting that because the previous correlation between Infection rates hospitalisations and deaths no longer holds true then we should through all caution to the wind. The link hasn’t been broken, it’s just shifted to a different ratio. It remains to be seen how many deaths that will actually mean, it remains to be seen how much further strain will be put on the health service.

I have tried several times to point this out to Super, but he doesn't seem to understand it.


And you can see that in his response

We need to get Covid and covid deaths into some sort of perspective. It is not even close to being a leading cause of death in the UK anymore, and whilst some precautions still need to exist, and vulnerable people need to take care its not necessary for this to apply to groups of people who simply aren't likely to be affected by it.

It isn't about raw death numbers at this point it is about keeping your health system running. You have two options, massively increase the capacity of the NHS or continue to mitigate covid cases. The NHS has no room in the system for any COVID cases as it stands.

What compete rubbish to claim the NHS has no room for Covid cases, it's been the National Covid Service for the last 18 months.

You CANNOT stop cases because you've always got idiotic people, religious idiots or poorly informed ethnic groups who'll resist vaccination and even aiming for zero covid is a moronic SNP view of the situation.

The statistical fact is that its not a pandemic anymore. It is an endemic, and the fact with endemic by definition is that we live with them, which means that those that are vulnerable need to take more care. It shouldn't mean that we cower away and close down the economy for the sake of a very small number of people

[super_realist]

Agreed it’s time to move on Supes but move on taking on board the lessons we’ve learnt and encourage people to apply them, be more aware and take more personal responsibility. I do that I’m assuming you do that, from his posts it sounds like Soul does that.

I happen to think that for advanced well off societies such as ours we shouldn’t be accepting the levels of unneccessary deaths that we do from the likes of flu but as you frequently point out (and I largely agree) we have other issues that we should also be dealing with better (obesity, smoking, alcohol consumption etc). In all of those areas there must be a level of self awareness and personal responsibility rather than government dictat. Governments should encourage and facilitate and in times of crisis like the past year, support and yes that may have to mean temporary seemingly draconian controls. Let’s be honest here, Covid 19 was not a one off, there will be others, I hope we’ll be better prepared for the next one than we were for this one.

A sensible post Jas and I totally agree. The problem we face with the British public is that we won't be prepared for anything like this happening in future because of the things you mentioned.
The British public is too fat, too lazy, too sedentary, has a shocking diet and takes absolutely no responsibility for their own health.

We have seen the backlash just in the last fortnight when the government sought to tax food High in salt and sugar as people don't like being punished for what they want to eat.
That's the government trying to do a good thing and the public have rejected it. You can't win.

If we do get another one, and you're a fat knacker and you get affected more badly than someone who takes theor health more seriously, then it's a case of tough titties isn't it? Forewarned is forearmed.

[dynamark]

An outbreak of sense and agreement I detect .Had to happen eventually.
I get sick of adverts and mail about life insurance all saying 'no medical questions asked' I dont need any but why would you purchase insurance from a company that accepts any fat ,smoking alcoholic without question ?
I think infection numbers have dropped a bit last few days and school out pretty much everywhere today so watch this space.

[I'm never wrong]

I get sick of adverts and mail about life insurance all saying 'no medical questions asked' I dont need any but why would you purchase insurance from a company that accepts any fat ,smoking alcoholic without question ?

We're back to probabilities now Dyna. The companies must have worked out that if any of the type of people you mention sign up, and die before their premiums have made it worthwhile, there are more people who live longer and "overpay".

[JAS]

An outbreak of sense and agreement I detect .Had to happen eventually.
I get sick of adverts and mail about life insurance all saying 'no medical questions asked' I dont need any but why would you purchase insurance from a company that accepts any fat ,smoking alcoholic without question ?
I think infection numbers have dropped a bit last few days and school out pretty much everywhere today so watch this space.

…and I thought (naively) that GDPR would protect us from all that banal marketing Poopie, not only the leafleting (littering basically) but the unsolicited phone calls as well, the ones wanting to know about your “accident” Personally I can’t wait for a smartphone to come out that has a button to deliver a bloody throat punch to an unsolicited caller!!

[super_realist]

That's not what GDPR is about JAS.

[JAS]

That's not what GDPR is about JAS.

I know, having had to sit through a few DPIAs in a work setting, I’m well aware of GDPR is. I just had this thought in my head when I first heard about it that it would stop snake oil salesmen having my contact details (I STILL think it should - but it’s not about what I think).

We’re having to jump through DPIA hoops at the moment as our development and test environments are regularly cloned from the production environment. Some then have masking applied but some don’t. Having said that access is controlled. Now, again to my mind there should be no issue with that but that’s not how GDPR works either. Our organisation holds data on its employees it has to otherwise how would they get paid) what does it matter if it holds that data on more than one environment? All our development and test environments are behind firewalls and not externally visible so it shouldn’t matter but… if a disgruntled ex employee was to go to the ICO and say “They’re holding data on me in several places and I don’t want them to” Then we have to spend an inordinate amount of time justifying and explaining ourselves. Anyway, digressing bottom line is I don’t want marketing companies misusing my data to my inconvenience, if that’s not what GDPR is about then it bloody well should be!!

[super_realist]

That's not what GDPR is about JAS.

I know, having had to sit through a few DPIAs in a work setting, I’m well aware of GDPR is. I just had this thought in my head when I first heard about it that it would stop snake oil salesmen having my contact details (I STILL think it should - but it’s not about what I think).

We’re having to jump through DPIA hoops at the moment as our development and test environments are regularly cloned from the production environment. Some then have masking applied but some don’t. Having said that access is controlled. Now, again to my mind there should be no issue with that but that’s not how GDPR works either. Our organisation holds data on its employees it has to otherwise how would they get paid) what does it matter if it holds that data on more than one environment? All our development and test environments are behind firewalls and not externally visible so it shouldn’t matter but… if a disgruntled ex employee was to go to the ICO and say “They’re holding data on me in several places and I don’t want them to” Then we have to spend an inordinate amount of time justifying and explaining ourselves. Anyway, digressing bottom line is I don’t want marketing companies misusing my data to my inconvenience, if  that’s not what GDPR is about then it bloody well should be!!

I don't think most people voluntarily give their details and therefore the permission to be bombarded with this sort of stuff every time they accept cookies, fill in an online form, sign up for newsletters etc without clicking the right check boxes and reading the small print. They aren't misusing your data, they're giving you recommendations on the basis of your cookie enabled Web searches. GDPR is about companies holding data on you and how they use it, store it, destroy it etc Most complaints about GDPR are actually invalid because the user has given their permission for it to be used.

What I find more annoying is the sort of self promoting idiots you get on LinkedIn such as "pleased to announce" or "happy eid" or any such crap.

[JAS]

That's not what GDPR is about JAS.

I know, having had to sit through a few DPIAs in a work setting, I’m well aware of GDPR is. I just had this thought in my head when I first heard about it that it would stop snake oil salesmen having my contact details (I STILL think it should - but it’s not about what I think).

We’re having to jump through DPIA hoops at the moment as our development and test environments are regularly cloned from the production environment. Some then have masking applied but some don’t. Having said that access is controlled. Now, again to my mind there should be no issue with that but that’s not how GDPR works either. Our organisation holds data on its employees it has to otherwise how would they get paid) what does it matter if it holds that data on more than one environment? All our development and test environments are behind firewalls and not externally visible so it shouldn’t matter but… if a disgruntled ex employee was to go to the ICO and say “They’re holding data on me in several places and I don’t want them to” Then we have to spend an inordinate amount of time justifying and explaining ourselves. Anyway, digressing bottom line is I don’t want marketing companies misusing my data to my inconvenience, if  that’s not what GDPR is about then it bloody well should be!!

I don't think most people voluntarily give their details and therefore the permission to be bombarded with this sort of stuff every time they accept cookies, fill in an online form, sign up for newsletters etc without clicking the right check boxes and reading the small print. They aren't misusing your data, they're giving you recommendations on the basis of your cookie enabled Web searches. GDPR is about companies holding data on you and how they use it, store it, destroy it etc Most complaints about GDPR are actually invalid because the user has given their permission for it to be used.

What I find more annoying is the sort of self promoting idiots you get on LinkedIn such as "pleased to announce" or "happy eid" or any such crap.

Let’s face it, does anybody like or want those calls. I don’t needlessly voluntarily give my data I always opt out of the checkbox for marketing blurb.

I’ve just had one since my last post, about credit card debt which I pretty much have zero of these days. I started with a polite “Can I ask how/where you obtained my details?” “Ok sir bye”was the quick reply so they know fine well they shouldn’t be using my details in the way they are. I get the gist of what you’re saying but there ARE outfits out there that don’t give a rats arse about people’s privacy and openly flout GDPR regs. I would assert they ARE misusing my data, I don’t want recommendations unless I explicitly ask, quite happy to do my own research for the things I may want. Compensation for an imaginary accident is not something I’d be looking for, nor for that matter some sort of debt relief package.

…and as for linked-in that’s rapidly becoming as big a cesspit as FB

[super_realist]

Of course no one wants such calls, but no one reads the small print either, they just press "accept" therefore whilst you might not want unsolicited calls or recommendations, most likely you have ticked a box or pressed accept on some site which has granted permission for someone possibly unconnected to contact you.
You work in IT, you know how this works.

I do agree there are people around who will spam you with calls illegally, whether they've just rang random numbers, guessed your email or bought your data from somewhere. The trouble is you can't be certain you've declined every single thing you've put your details to on the Internet.

As for LinkedIn, I think I need to create a LinkedIn W*nker parody account, endless material.

[dynamark]

Linkedin absolute cesspit no way do I wish to be associated with that puppy.Had an agency on the phone today offering me 6 months contract at the company I left at Xmas I said I doubt they would take me back !

[super_realist]

Linkedin absolute cesspit no way do I wish to be associated with that puppy.Had an agency on the phone today offering me 6 months contract at the company I left at Xmas I said I doubt they would take me back !

It can be useful, but it's full of people saying how great they are and how virtuous they are. I'd never hire anyone that posted some of that stuff.

[beninho]

Adam Peatey. I always knew he was good. Just didn't realise how dominant he is. The guy is a phenomenon. Not lost since 2014 or something. Has the 15 fastest ever times in his discipline. He is arguably Britain's greatest athlete. Who else has dominated something like him?

[super_realist]

It is quite niche, but he is exceptional in his field. He is a proper athlete though, outrageously professional and night and day compared to the far more celebrated footballers.

Hopefully he is rewarded sufficiently financially for the hard work he puts in.

[Soul Requiem]

Breaststroke is quite niche?

[super_realist]

Breaststroke is quite niche?

Swimming in general is quite a niche sport, and if you're top of the tree, easier to be dominant in that, then something when you're lining up against 150 others. There's several types of stroke and then multiple iterations of each stroke in terms of distance and format, so it's a bit easier than in a sport which has only one format and one distance.

Not taking anything away from him, but being dominant in swimming for example is a bit easier than being dominant in tennis

[dynamark]

Dont most of these top swimmers have some quite freakish physicallity like huge feet or hands.Its super technical for instance the freestylers do not cup their fingers they hold then apart presumably to get more pull on the water.Peaty seems to get his speed from basically being half out of the water -much less drag

[super_realist]

Does anyone else find it odd that people are ecstatic to win silver or bronze?
I'd only want gold, anything else is basically losing.

[beninho]

Does anyone else find it odd that people are ecstatic to win silver or bronze?
I'd only want gold, anything else is basically losing.

No

[Soul Requiem]

Does anyone else find it odd that people are ecstatic to win silver or bronze?
I'd only want gold, anything else is basically losing.

It depends on the circumstances, Chelsie Giles wasn't expected to medal in the judo so is rightfully delighted with bronze. Bradley Sinden was expected to win gold so probably disappointed with his silver. I just wish I was a high achiever like you though.

[super_realist]

Does anyone else find it odd that people are ecstatic to win silver or bronze?
I'd only want gold, anything else is basically losing.

No

Would you be ecstatic to lose a Euro, World Cup, Wimbledon, Masters playoff etc?

[super_realist]

Does anyone else find it odd that people are ecstatic to win silver or bronze?
I'd only want gold, anything else is basically losing.

It depends on the circumstances, Chelsie Giles wasn't expected to medal in the judo so is rightfully delighted with bronze. Bradley Sinden was expected to win gold so probably disappointed with his silver. I just wish I was a high achiever like you though.

You don't have to be a high achiever, but it's a bit odd in the context of sport that not winning is seen as something not to celebrate, but in the Olympics people celebrate not being the winner.
I get the circumstance thing, but it's an odd shift in mentality. They wouldn't be thrilled to be second or third in a Diamond League meeting for instance, so why happy in The Olympics?

[beninho]

Does anyone else find it odd that people are ecstatic to win silver or bronze?
I'd only want gold, anything else is basically losing.

No

Would you be ecstatic to lose a Euro, World Cup, Wimbledon, Masters playoff etc?

I'd be over the fricken moon. I'm an unfit 41 year old

[Soul Requiem]

That Diamond League meeting is building towards the Olympics so the mentality is quite obviously different. If you come second or even win the lesser events you're not necessarily someone in the public consciousness, win a medal at the Olympics and you're suddenly someone and that should be applauded not shamelessly belittled.

[super_realist]

OK, let's put it another way, would you be ecstatic to come third in an interview for a job you'd been lusting after and preparing for for 15 years?

[Soul Requiem]

Do I get to stand on a podium and be presented with a medal, a ceremony that is seen around the world?

[beninho]

Does anyone else find it odd that people are ecstatic to win silver or bronze?
I'd only want gold, anything else is basically losing.

It depends on the circumstances, Chelsie Giles wasn't expected to medal in the judo so is rightfully delighted with bronze. Bradley Sinden was expected to win gold so probably disappointed with his silver. I just wish I was a high achiever like you though.

You don't have to be a high achiever, but it's a bit odd in the context of sport that not winning is seen as something not to celebrate, but in the Olympics people celebrate not being the winner.
I get the circumstance thing, but it's an odd shift in mentality. They wouldn't be thrilled to be second or third in a Diamond League meeting for instance, so why happy in The Olympics?

For the vast majority of people winning a medal of any colour is a fantastic achievement. To claim someone shouldn't celebrate winning a medal is just downright weird.

[super_realist]

That Diamond League meeting is building towards the Olympics so the mentality is quite obviously different. If you come second or even win the lesser events you're not necessarily someone in the public consciousness, win a medal at the Olympics and you're suddenly someone and that should be applauded not shamelessly belittled.

I'm not belittling them at all, just find it curious behaviour when sport for those competing is usually to win and which not winning is seen as a failure.
I also disagree that winning a medal catapults you into the public consciousness. Maybe for a short period of time, but largely no one remembers.

[super_realist]

Do I get to stand on a podium and be presented with a medal, a ceremony that is seen around the world?

You just want your ego stroked and do it for the recognition of others and want smoke blown up your arse?

[beninho]

Do I get to stand on a podium and be presented with a medal, a ceremony that is seen around the world?

And get to be claimed as the 3rd best interviewer in the world, which would be some achievement.

[superflyweight]

Do I get to stand on a podium and be presented with a medal, a ceremony that is seen around the world?

You just want your ego stroked and  do it for the recognition of others and want smoke blown up your arse?

My entire reason for living.

[beninho]

Doesn't everyone do something for the recognition?

[super_realist]

Doesn't everyone do something for the recognition?

Do you work for the adulation of peoppe you don't know?

[beninho]

Was talking about this the other day, with regards to the tennis player Broady. Imagine being ranked 144th in the world, yet still being classed or thought of as a failure because you are only 144th in the world.

Like being 2nd best at a sport in the world, winning a silver Olympic medal then being sniped at as a failure by some no mark with no achievements from the Internet.

[superflyweight]

If you're comparing it to jobs, it would be like someone judging me the second or third best lawyer in the world - I'd be delighted with that (particularly as I'm only the second best lawyer in my house).

[beninho]

Doesn't everyone do something for the recognition?

Do you work for the adulation of peoppe you don't know?

There's definitely people I don't know high up in my work place, I'd love them to be told how good a job I'm doing. Same with feedback from clients to others I don't know. Its a nice feeling.
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[Soul Requiem]

Do I get to stand on a podium and be presented with a medal, a ceremony that is seen around the world?

You just want your ego stroked and  do it for the recognition of others and want smoke blown up your arse?

Well yes, do you not find enjoyment in anything? I spent a lot of time in London during the 2012 Olympics, I watched the marathons and some of the rowing, the atmosphere was amazing so too was the togetherness of the crowd. Does that mean i'm going to stroke the egos of those involved? Hell yes, it's cyclical enjoyment.

[beninho]

I cam only imagine the buzz or thrill scoring a goal in a full stadium would be. With thousands of fans in the ground and millions at home. That would be amazing I'm sure.

[super_realist]

Was talking about this the other day, with regards to the tennis player Broady. Imagine being ranked 144th in the world, yet still being classed or thought of as a failure because you are only 144th in the world.

Like being 2nd best at a sport in the world, winning a silver Olympic medal then being sniped at as a failure by some no mark with no achievements from the Internet.

I'm not calling him a failure, I'm querying celebrating a third place when at any time they'd be devasted not to win. Why is not winning a great thing in the Olympics, when it's seen as a bad thing at any other time?

If you got to your Club Champ final, would you do a lap of honour when you got beaten 7&6?

[Soul Requiem]

Was talking about this the other day, with regards to the tennis player Broady. Imagine being ranked 144th in the world, yet still being classed or thought of as a failure because you are only 144th in the world.

Like being 2nd best at a sport in the world, winning a silver Olympic medal then being sniped at as a failure by some no mark with no achievements from the Internet.

I'm not calling him a failure, I'm querying celebrating a third place when at any time they'd be devasted not to win. Why is not winning a great thing in the Olympics, when it's seen as a bad thing at any other time?

If you got to your Club Champ final, would you do a lap of honour when you got beaten 7&6?

Is it being watched by billions round the world and could it potentially open up post retirement opportunities for me?

[beninho]

Those brittish girls celebratrating a bronze medal. Sickening. All those smiles and apparent happiness. Disgusting behaviour.

On another note, just found 7 extra euros port channels!

[Duty281]

Was talking about this the other day, with regards to the tennis player Broady. Imagine being ranked 144th in the world, yet still being classed or thought of as a failure because you are only 144th in the world.

Like being 2nd best at a sport in the world, winning a silver Olympic medal then being sniped at as a failure by some no mark with no achievements from the Internet.

I'm not calling him a failure, I'm querying celebrating a third place when at any time they'd be devasted not to win. Why is not winning a great thing in the Olympics, when it's seen as a bad thing at any other time?

If you got to your Club Champ final, would you do a lap of honour when you got beaten 7&6?

It's simply down to expectation. If you expect to finish around 8th in your event, but end up getting bronze you'll be delighted. If you expect to win your event and end up getting bronze (like Walkden earlier) you won't be content. I'm sure it works the same in other non-Olympic events as well.

[beninho]

Was talking about this the other day, with regards to the tennis player Broady. Imagine being ranked 144th in the world, yet still being classed or thought of as a failure because you are only 144th in the world.

Like being 2nd best at a sport in the world, winning a silver Olympic medal then being sniped at as a failure by some no mark with no achievements from the Internet.

I'm not calling him a failure, I'm querying celebrating a third place when at any time they'd be devasted not to win. Why is not winning a great thing in the Olympics, when it's seen as a bad thing at any other time?

If you got to your Club Champ final, would you do a lap of honour when you got beaten 7&6?

It's simply down to expectation. If you expect to finish around 8th in your event, but end up getting bronze you'll be delighted. If you expect to win your event and end up getting bronze (like Walkden earlier) you won't be content. I'm sure it works the same in other non-Olympic events as well.

Which is all pretty obvious to almost everyone involved.....

[McLaren]

Not sure how to phrase this but woman's sport need's to sort out the bottle job culture it is fostering at the moment. Osaka at french open, British women at Wimbledon and now biles.

I hate to get all super realist on this, but come on. Of course top level sport is stressful.

[JuliusHMarx]

Bit like all the blokes who commit suicide. Bottle jobs.

[George1507]

Adam Peatey. I always knew he was good. Just didn't realise how dominant he is. The guy is a phenomenon. Not lost since 2014 or something. Has the 15 fastest ever times in his discipline. He is arguably Britain's greatest athlete. Who else has dominated something like him?

Clearly he's great, but at 50m and 100m breaststroke only. People seem to think he's the fastest swimmer that's ever lived, but the breaststroke is the slowest stroke. Women swim 50m and 100m freestyle, back stroke and butterfly faster than Adam Peaty.

David Wilkie won Olympic gold as a breaststroker, but he also won medley events too so he tried to be versatile.

[McLaren]

Bit like all the blokes who commit suicide. Bottle jobs.

There is a big difference between real, evidence based medicine, mental health disorders and everyone jumping on this recent "mental health" trend.

[JuliusHMarx]

Bit like all the blokes who commit suicide. Bottle jobs.

There is a big difference between real, evidence based medicine, mental health disorders and everyone jumping on this recent "mental health" trend.

Do you have access to the medical records of Naomi Osaka, or are you simply being judgemental?

[incontinentia]

Not sure how to phrase this but woman's sport need's to sort out the bottle job culture it is fostering at the moment. Osaka at french open, British women at Wimbledon and now biles.

I hate to get all super realist on this, but come on. Of course top level sport is stressful.

I understood it was the interviews Osaka didnt want to do, whereas Biles has completely lost faith in her ability to perform- which in a sport like gymnastics where she could potentially paralyse herself, makes it very difficult to just try to tough it out.

A bit like the full swing yips in golf (which is not unprecedented in elite male golfers), except a bad shot could break your neck. Personally I would have sympathy for her.

[super_realist]

Bit like all the blokes who commit suicide. Bottle jobs.

There is a big difference between real, evidence based medicine, mental health disorders and everyone jumping on this recent "mental health" trend.

Sort of agree, mental health is the new "back pain".
Need an excuse someone can't argue with? Use mental health.

By the way, isn't the BBC coverage absolutely dreadful compared to years past? Why did they keep it quiet that they wouldn't be doing full coverage because they don't have full broadcast rights?
They got outbid by the bloody Discovery channel for goodness sake yet they pay June Sarpong 250k a year for three days work as a "diversity zsar" and a further 100m on that subject. What is the point of this organisation?

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