Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

Ben Leicester have been fortunate to find wealthy owners who saved us from a deal of trouble but they could not be accused of throwing stupid money around and disregarding the fans.The PL winning team was assembled from a bunch of frees ,has beens and cheap buys I think Ulloa was the top buy at about £9m.What they then did as some players moved on for big money was start throwing some of that money about to try to maintain position with varying degrees of success.The Chairman gives away free beer and cakes on his birthday and has given a lot to local organisations including a childrens hospital ,We have been very very lucky.
I think the German teams have a different voting structure where fans have a big say.

[beninho]

Ben

What other medical conditions can you diagnose? Or is it just psychiatry you can do?

If I regular dealt with people with broken legs and worked with people from a broken leg unit, im sure I could spot that.

Youre only spotting the same mental health issues that anyone else can spot.
You aren't any better placed to spot depression, bi polar, anti natal depression or any other form of mental illness that doesn't necessarily have any outward symptoms than anyone else.

I know. I'm not claiming to be.

[super_realist]

Ben, have you visited a doctor or psychiatrist every time you have felt anxious, worried, had low confidence, trepidation, dread etc in the past? I doubt it. You've simply just accepted you are dealing with a particular issue and most likely have resolved this on your own.

You seem to be stating that every issue like that is some sort of mental health crisis, and needs to be treated in exactly the same way as we would deal with Marcus Trescothick.

I had some bad news about a relative at the weekend, and I was upset and still am, but I'm not rushing to label it a mental health issue.

[beninho]

I don't think people are making it up, I just think they might not be clear whether it genuinely is a mental health issue or not.

How is this not obvious to everyone?

Just think about whether you would claim to have the expertise to diagnose any other medical conditions?

No one is arguing against this. Are they?

People can say how they feel their mental wellbeing is affecting them in daily activities, and how. Thats hardly controversial.

[beninho]

Ben, have you visited a doctor or psychiatrist every time you have felt anxious, worried, had low confidence, trepidation, dread etc in the past? I doubt it. You've simply just accepted you are dealing with a particular issue and most likely have resolved this on your own.

You seem to be stating that every issue like that is some sort of mental health crisis, and needs to be treated in exactly the same way as we would deal with Marcus Trescothick.

I had some bad news about a relative at the weekend, and I was upset and still am, but I'm not rushing to label it a mental health issue.

No I'm not saying that. I'm not claiming everything to be severe or acute.

I'm saying everyone has mental health, how some people's mental well being is affected by sonething is different to how soneone else may react. No one else knows how your mental state ir well being is affected apart from yourself.

It's really pretty simple.

[beninho]

When my mum died, I've coped, probably bottled it up, but also sort of accepted it before she died. My sister took it differently and struggled a lot more. Different things impact different people.

[superflyweight]

Probably need to find something we can all agree on after all that drama yesterday.

Farage and the RNLI - what's that all about?  

It's the all lives matter gang deciding that they don't all matter enough to them.

And how Farage got a tv show and remains relevant is horrendous.

We agree on this. Just what you expect from England circa 2021. Sadly becoming a cesspit of bigots.


I assume when they fall of a banana boat in the costa del chav they will refuse being picked up by the spanish coast guard?

Couldnt the RNLI simply return them to France? Would you object to that?

That's not their job.

[Soul Requiem]

I'm going to hazard a guess and say the RNLI are legally unable to enter French waters without authorisation?

[super_realist]

I'm going to hazard a guess and say the RNLI are legally unable to enter French waters without authorisation?

Yes they are permitted to. Do you think I need permission to sail a boat to France?

Also, if the RNLI aren't allowed to go into French territorial waters then it works both ways doesn't it? The migrant boat wouldn't be permitted to come the other way.

[beninho]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

[Duty281]

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

What a terrible idea. You should make a decision on where you stand by reason and logic, not by what other people think.

A legitimate argument against nationalising the railways is that it may cost too much. A illegitimate argument against nationalising the railways is the BNP support it/used to support it so it must be bad.

[super_realist]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

Who said anything about where I stand. Are you in favour of illegal immigration?

[beninho]

I'm fine with a general rule of thumb to be against most things Farage says.

[beninho]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

Who said anything about where I stand. Are you in favour of illegal immigration?

I'm not against claiming asylum.

[super_realist]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

Who said anything about where I stand. Are you in favour of illegal immigration?

I'm not against claiming asylum.

How many do you think are genuine asylum seekers? Furthermore if they are genuine asylum seekers, why are they crossing the Channel in order to avoid authorities and why not stay in one of the many perfectly safe countries they have already travelled through to get to the UK?

By and large these aren't asylum seekers, they are economic migrants.
Are you in in favour of illegal economic migrants?

Didn't you claim last time that people came to Britain because they support an English football team?

[superflyweight]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

Who said anything about where I stand. Are you in favour of illegal immigration?

I'm not against claiming asylum.

How many do you think are genuine asylum seekers? Furthermore if they are genuine asylum seekers, why are they crossing the Channel in order to avoid authorities and why not stay in one of the many perfectly safe countries they have already travelled through to get to the UK?

By and large these aren't asylum seekers, they are economic migrants.
Are in in favour of illegal economic migrants?

If they can drive articulated lorries, pull pints or pick fruit then we should probably be welcoming them with open arms.

[beninho]

Be Interesting to see how many get refused asylum, and deported. I don't think it happens to many compared to apications. I would say by and large these are asylum seekers.

You are allowed to choose where you claim asylum. For whatever reason you want.

[super_realist]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

Who said anything about where I stand. Are you in favour of illegal immigration?

I'm not against claiming asylum.

How many do you think are genuine asylum seekers? Furthermore if they are genuine asylum seekers, why are they crossing the Channel in order to avoid authorities and why not stay in one of the many perfectly safe countries they have already travelled through to get to the UK?

By and large these aren't asylum seekers, they are economic migrants.
Are in in favour of illegal economic migrants?

If they can drive articulated lorries, pull pints or pick fruit then we should probably be welcoming them with open arms.  

Wouldn't you rather they entered legally then instead of illegally?
I'm more than happy to have migrants provided they can be checked out first.Nothing wrong with managed migration, and Britain is better for it, but why would you want open borders for anyone who wants to come here?

[super_realist]

Be Interesting to see how many get refused asylum, and deported. I don't think it happens to many compared to apications. I would say by and large these are asylum seekers.

You are allowed to choose where you claim asylum. For whatever reason you want.

Not a single one has been returned, because our system takes too long and doesn't work.
If you can choose where you can claim asylum then why aren't they doing so legally instead of trying to sneak in? Perhaps because they aren't genuine asylum seekers? Genuine asylum seekers that leave women and children at home?

If you think they are genuine asylum seekers then I've got some swamp land in New Jersey to sell you

[superflyweight]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

Who said anything about where I stand. Are you in favour of illegal immigration?

I'm not against claiming asylum.

How many do you think are genuine asylum seekers? Furthermore if they are genuine asylum seekers, why are they crossing the Channel in order to avoid authorities and why not stay in one of the many perfectly safe countries they have already travelled through to get to the UK?

By and large these aren't asylum seekers, they are economic migrants.
Are in in favour of illegal economic migrants?

If they can drive articulated lorries, pull pints or pick fruit then we should probably be welcoming them with open arms.  

Wouldn't you rather they entered legally then instead of illegally?
I'm more than happy to have migrants provided they can be checked out first.Nothing wrong with managed migration, and Britain is better for it, but why would you want open borders for anyone who wants to come here?

I'd prefer a system in which people didn't feel the need to try that crossing, regardless of their motives or status.

[super_realist]

It's not up to the Rnli to pick and choose where to take people it has rescued. In general they will be in British waters anyway.

I see donations are already going up.

When thinking about where you stand on this one, look at who is on your side. Are you with Farage and the crazies or not...

Who said anything about where I stand. Are you in favour of illegal immigration?

I'm not against claiming asylum.

How many do you think are genuine asylum seekers? Furthermore if they are genuine asylum seekers, why are they crossing the Channel in order to avoid authorities and why not stay in one of the many perfectly safe countries they have already travelled through to get to the UK?

By and large these aren't asylum seekers, they are economic migrants.
Are in in favour of illegal economic migrants?

If they can drive articulated lorries, pull pints or pick fruit then we should probably be welcoming them with open arms.  

Wouldn't you rather they entered legally then instead of illegally?
I'm more than happy to have migrants provided they can be checked out first.Nothing wrong with managed migration, and Britain is better for it, but why would you want open borders for anyone who wants to come here?

I'd prefer a system in which people didn't feel the need to try that crossing, regardless of their motives or status.  

We have that system, but if they entered it legally they would find their applications turned down on the basis they don't meet asylum criteria. Do you think they take a boat for fun or to evade authorities?
If Mexicans could enter USA legally, would they swim the Rio Grande?

[lostinwales]

Ben, have you visited a doctor or psychiatrist every time you have felt anxious, worried, had low confidence, trepidation, dread etc in the past? I doubt it. You've simply just accepted you are dealing with a particular issue and most likely have resolved this on your own.

You seem to be stating that every issue like that is some sort of mental health crisis, and needs to be treated in exactly the same way as we would deal with Marcus Trescothick.

I had some bad news about a relative at the weekend, and I was upset and still am, but I'm not rushing to label it a mental health issue.

No I'm not saying that.  I'm not claiming everything to be severe or acute.

I'm saying everyone has mental health, how some people's mental well being is affected by sonething is different to how soneone else may react. No one else knows how your mental state ir well being is affected apart from yourself.

It's really pretty simple.

This is not necessarily correct. You are relying on what you might call the 'faulty component' to register that it is faulty itself. Self awareness when it comes to mental health is not a given.

[beninho]

https://theferret.scot/asylum-uk-process-refugees/ this says you need to be in the UK to claim asylum, though its about a year old and maybe the government have done sometbing to make it easier to claim. They are very caring like that.

If people want to cone to the UK I'm fine with it. If the claim is refused its down to the hone office to deport.

[super_realist]

The ferret is an SNP mouthpiece, I wouldn't even say it was as reliable or as impartial as The Gruadian. Not a source you should use for anything.

If you're a genuine asylum seeker there's safer and cheaper ways than paying some villain 20k to grt you there in a rowing boat.

[lostinwales]

Probably need to find something we can all agree on after all that drama yesterday.

Farage and the RNLI - what's that all about?  

It's the all lives matter gang deciding that they don't all matter enough to them.

And how Farage got a tv show and remains relevant is horrendous.

We agree on this. Just what you expect from England circa 2021. Sadly becoming a cesspit of bigots.


I assume when they fall of a banana boat in the costa del chav they will refuse being picked up by the spanish coast guard?

Couldnt the RNLI simply return them to France? Would you object to that?

I can see how this works. The RNLI pull the poor wretches from the grip of the ocean, check their papers, then set off on a 20 mile journey through mountainous seas in order to make sure they end up in the right place, before doing the same to get back to safe harbour. Maybe they can use the top secret helicopter blades to take off the sea and fly back?

I take it you have zero experience of storms at sea.

[super_realist]

Storms at sea? You mean the millpond like conditions we have been experiencing for the last month?

If you're genuine you don't need to use this route.

They're not escaping anything in France, so why bother risking your life and paying some arse 20k to get you over?

[JuliusHMarx]

Regardless of the arguments about illegal immigrants, the RNLI's job is to rescue people who are in peril at sea and save lives without judgement. Anyone who criticizes them for doing that, as Farage did, is behaving like a w*nker.

[super_realist]

I'm not criticising them for that. I was simply posing the question about where to take them.

[JuliusHMarx]

I'm not criticising them for that.

I know. I didn't mean to imply that you were.

[beninho]

The ferret is an SNP mouthpiece, I wouldn't even say it was as reliable or as impartial as The Gruadian. Not a source you should use for anything.

If you're a genuine asylum seeker there's safer and cheaper ways than paying some villain 20k to grt you there in a rowing boat.

So you don't have to be in the UK to claim asylum? The rules have been changed?

[lostinwales]

The stupid thing is expecting the RNLI to take refugees back to France really would be redefining their role to be that of a glorified taxi service. If you want them to do that I hope you are also prepared to pay for the diesel and for the crew's time.

[beninho]

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9000/CBP-9000.pdf

This seems to confirm you have to be present in the uk to claim asylum. This is from Parliament but again, it could have changed.

[super_realist]

The stupid thing is expecting the RNLI to take refugees back to France really would be redefining their role to be that of a glorified taxi service. If you want them to do that I hope you are also prepared to pay for the diesel and for the crew's time.

You could also say that it's not the RNLI's role who can enter the UK.
Are they handing them over to the authorities?

[super_realist]

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9000/CBP-9000.pdf

This seems to confirm you have to be present in the uk to claim asylum. This is from Parliament but again, it could have changed.

So what? You think that flying in isn't both safer and cheaper than paying some crook 20k to sail you over?
What about getting on a ferry or the Euro Tunnel?

Being in the UK has nothing to do with it if you're genuine. If you're genuine you wouldn't try to evade authorities, you actively approach authorities.

[super_realist]

The ferret is an SNP mouthpiece, I wouldn't even say it was as reliable or as impartial as The Gruadian. Not a source you should use for anything.

If you're a genuine asylum seeker there's safer and cheaper ways than paying some villain 20k to grt you there in a rowing boat.

So you don't have to be in the UK to claim asylum? The rules have been changed?

I didn't say it wasn't true. I said that it's not a reliable source.

Why are the traffickers encouraging them to throw away their papers if they're genuine?

[JuliusHMarx]

The stupid thing is expecting the RNLI to take refugees back to France really would be redefining their role to be that of a glorified taxi service. If you want them to do that I hope you are also prepared to pay for the diesel and for the crew's time.

You could also say that it's not the RNLI's role who can enter the UK.
Are they handing them over to the authorities?

Yes, either UK Border Force and/or the police.

[super_realist]

The stupid thing is expecting the RNLI to take refugees back to France really would be redefining their role to be that of a glorified taxi service. If you want them to do that I hope you are also prepared to pay for the diesel and for the crew's time.

You could also say that it's not the RNLI's role who can enter the UK.
Are they handing them over to the authorities?

Yes, either UK Border Force and/or the police.

What about the ones who make it over on their own, surrendering themselves to Border Police are they? Claiming asylum?

[JuliusHMarx]

I don't know. Perhaps we could keep them here and export the tw@ts who shout abuse at the RNLI. We'd probably be better off.

[super_realist]

Depends who the people coming in are doesn't it?
I do agree that we have some absolute domestic scum here though. That's not in doubt.

[beninho]

Love the BMX racing.

[Galted]

Love the BMX racing.

Let's keep such controversial statements away from these boards.

[Soul Requiem]

Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

[Galted]

Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

[lostinwales]

Olympic Jousting. It's the way to go

[Galted]

Jousting would be a great addition.

[Soul Requiem]

Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I think I could get on board with that.

[lostinwales]

Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I think I could get on board with that.

You like being a target?

[Soul Requiem]

Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I think I could get on board with that.

You like being a target?

Neigh.

[JuliusHMarx]

Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

[Pal Joey]

Love the BMX racing.

Once every four (five) years I find myself being a fan of most sports despite not paying them any attention in the intervening years. TV doesn't do the BMX justice, you don't get a sense of how much power the riders possess unlike track cycling. The kayaking and conoeing is especially impressive.

Equestrian, archery and skateboarding can do one though.

Equestrian and archery should be combined into one sport, preferably using skateboarders as targets.

I disagree, because what is the point of this thread if we don't take up opposing sides, just for the sake of it?

So now you're an expert on the Huns dislike for "west-coasters"? Based on real evidence or your own concocted pseudo-science?

[JuliusHMarx]

Oh, so now I'm not allowed to express an opinion?

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