Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

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Ben Leicester have been fortunate to find wealthy owners who saved us from a deal of trouble but they could not be accused of throwing stupid money around and disregarding the fans.The PL winning team was assembled from a bunch of frees ,has beens and cheap buys I think Ulloa was the top buy at about £9m.What they then did as some players moved on for big money was start throwing some of that money about to try to maintain position with varying degrees of success.The Chairman gives away free beer and cakes on his birthday and has given a lot to local organisations including a childrens hospital ,We have been very very lucky.
I think the German teams have a different voting structure where fans have a big say.

[Soul Requiem]

For the record Laura Muir is a fantastic athlete when discount a rather suspicious chinese meet in 1997 she's one of the quickest ever over 1500m. The advantage Dina has within the media is that she's got a good personality and competes in the blue ribband event.

[super_realist]

Laura Muir was 4 in 1997, pretty sure she wasnt competing.

[super_realist]

Anyway, Laura Muir did well,PB I think, beat an all time great into third and lost to an all time great. Was she allowed to be happy with a silver medal?

I think Muir is a better athlete than Dina Asher Smith and operates at a consistently higher level, the trouble is she doesn't get as much credit as she should because she looks like a thumb/spoon.
Smith fits the media profile a bit better despite an awful smile.

Another thing that is a poor use of a phrase in the Olympics is "making history". Isn't everything making history?

Muir is a brilliant athlete and performed wonderfully. But, just checking you think she can be happy with silver?

If she isbhaopy with silver, then so should England be. You cant have it both ways

[super_realist]

In golf, it seems Mattias Schmidt was pretty happy with winning the silver medal at the open.

The silver mefal is WINNING. Its top amatuer.

[Soul Requiem]

Laura Muir was 4 in 1997, pretty sure she wasnt competing.

You don't say, thank you for that information.

[Soul Requiem]

Anyway, Laura Muir did well,PB I think, beat an all time great into third and lost to an all time great. Was she allowed to be happy with a silver medal?

I think Muir is a better athlete than Dina Asher Smith and operates at a consistently higher level, the trouble is she doesn't get as much credit as she should because she looks like a thumb/spoon.
Smith fits the media profile a bit better despite an awful smile.

Another thing that is a poor use of a phrase in the Olympics is "making history". Isn't everything making history?

Muir is a brilliant athlete and performed wonderfully. But, just checking you think she can be happy with silver?

If she isbhaopy with silver, then so should England be. You cant have it both ways

Of course you can have it both ways, it is not a binary question.

[beninho]

Realist didn't you bang on about having people having different opinions the other day.

Yer, you seem to be saying all sportsmen should act the same, regardless of situation or achievement?

[beninho]

And realist, your point has been that people shouldn't celebrate or be happy with not winning. As you are obviously a knowledgeable athletics fan, that's why I've asked if you think Laura Muir should be happy with silver? Considering who she beat, her time and who beat her?

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[Duty281]

Good luck to the police dealing with those morons for a couple of weeks.

[super_realist]

And realist, your point has been that people shouldn't celebrate or be happy with not winning. As you are obviously a knowledgeable athletics fan, that's why I've asked if you think Laura Muir should be happy with silver? Considering who she beat, her time and who beat her?

If thats the case then she should expect to come second and not parade about the place as if she's won the event.

If Muir has to be happy that she came second because she got beaten by a better athlete, then that has to go for everything in which you are beaten by better opposition, which includes England in the Euros

You cant have it both ways, if youre beaten by superior opposition you have to be content right?

[super_realist]

Realist didn't you bang on about having people having different opinions the other day.

Yer, you seem to be saying all sportsmen should act the same, regardless of situation or achievement?

Your argument is that its about expectation. England arent expect to win tournaments, so why arent they happy to come second? You already admitted they dont expect to win.

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Grade A c**ts (XR doomsday cult)

Is this the IPCC that makes Neil Ferguson look like he knows what hes talking about?

[Soul Requiem]

And realist, your point has been that people shouldn't celebrate or be happy with not winning. As you are obviously a knowledgeable athletics fan, that's why I've asked if you think Laura Muir should be happy with silver? Considering who she beat, her time and who beat her?

If thats the case then she should expect to come second and not parade about the place as if she's won the event.

If Muir has to be happy that she came second because she got beaten by a better athlete, then that has to go for everything in which you are beaten by better opposition, which includes England in the Euros

You cant have it both ways, if youre beaten by superior opposition you have to be content right?

Are you deliberately missing the point or is just beyond your mental capacity?

[super_realist]

Apparently its all about expectation and if so, if you arent expected to win, you should be happy with second. Got it.

[Soul Requiem]

It's just a bit rich when a no mark is dictating to those who have a achieved in their lives. England will have expected to beat Italy at home.

[beninho]

England should have expected or believed they could have won the final. It was at hone and against a team not especially stronger. Again, as a fan i would have been disappointed if they didn't believe they would win.

But, while all we're and probably are still disappointed to lose, I've seen them mention who proud they were to get to the final.

[Davie]

I can't believe you are all still banging on about this. It's pretty simple really, they should have thought they *could* win, but to *expect* to win would be the height of arrogance

[beninho]

And if any of the England players crossed the line without a strong belief they would win the game, I'd be massively disappointed.

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Grade A c**ts (XR doomsday cult)

Is this the IPCC that makes Neil Ferguson look like he knows what hes talking about?

Oh goody I can't wait to hear about your latest covid modelling efforts.

[McLaren]

Super

Why do you doubt the data and conclusions produced by the IPCC?

[JuliusHMarx]

Scottish football discussion, anyone?

[westisbest]

Scottish football discussion, anyone?

Rangers out of Europe qualification. Not been a good few days after the defeat to Dundee Utd.
Celtic back to winning ways hammering Dundee.

Hibs and Aberdeen setting the very early pace. Not sure it will last, but am hoping those two can push Celtic and Rangers.

Would certainly make the league more interesting if that was to be the case.

[super_realist]

Good result for Rangers Jas. Should do the coefficient a power of good.

[super_realist]

Super

Why do you doubt the data and conclusions produced by the IPCC?

Because it has proven since the 1980's to be unreliable.
Personally I think we will reach 1.5c this time, bit the arent an organisation with a track ecord of makig good predictions are they?

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Grade A c**ts (XR doomsday cult)

Is this the IPCC that makes Neil Ferguson look like he knows what hes talking about?

Oh goody I can't wait to hear about your latest covid modelling efforts.

If you were as useless as Neil Ferguson at making predictions you wouldn't have a job
I didnt say i could do better, its not my job but Neil Ferguson is hopeless and i woyldnt expect to be asked for a prediction if I were as hopeless as him.
500,000 deaths he predicted, 100,000 infections a day. Funny how he backtracked now. Even going back to foot and mouth he's been terrible.
Who even chooses SAGE, that communist Susan Michie isnt even qualified to comment on virology, yet shes a major part of it decision making.

[Soul Requiem]

Neil Ferguson is an interesting one, everyone jumped on the bandwagon after his initial modelling for Covid in this country was shown to be accurate. Outside of that however his track record is sketchy, to the extent his modelling for any infectious disease is very similar.

[beninho]

My knowledge on Ferguson is minimal. But, I sure he didn't predict 500,000 deaths, did he?

Wasn't he the lead on a study, which showed that, 5000,000 deaths could occur over 2 year period if NO measures where put in place? Considering the numbers we have seen with measures I place, would that figure be drastically wrong?

[McLaren]

Super

Ben is correct, the number of deaths in the initial models were for a no measures approach to COVID, or the "herd immunity" approach.

[JAS]

Good result for Rangers Jas. Should do the coefficient a power of good.

Co-efficient wise they've got nothing to drop so it won't make it any worse, anything they do in the Europa League will still improve it, obviously not by as much as CL group stage points would have done. In saying that they'll probably find it easier to accumulate points in the EL rather than the CL, massive disappointment all the same though.

In a way last night plays into your often trotted out line about embracing summer football, Malmo already 13-14 games into the Swedish season whereas Rangers haven't found their feet yet. They've basically caught them cold.

Gerrard finding out that losing 3 games in a row at Rangers IS a crisis. He's handled everything else that's been thrown at him and came back stronger, this might be turning into the biggest test of his tenure. Lets see where it goes, certainly tempers any ambition of significant strengthening in the short term. They may even have to sell 1 or 2.

[JAS]

Scottish football discussion, anyone?

It basically operates on a shoestring budget, but within it's poorly marketed means or put another way....it doesn't help Oligarchs launder money.

Meanwhile, weirdest football statement I think I've ever heard on football yesterday " Messi had to leave Barcelona because they could no longer afford him!!" WTAF, if that is true then that right there is a perfect example of how financially F**ked up football actually is.

So now you have 3 of the worlds best (Messi, Neymar, Mbappe) being paid silly money at a Club with no real historical pedigree that is owned by the Country that is hosting the next world Cup (which it won the right to host in a "totally above board" bidding process, a country which has no football pedigree at at and which is so hot that the whole football world is being turned on its arse to fit in a winter World Cup). Christ you don't even need a nose to smell the dirty stink of something not right. But don't worry, everything is ok because there are financial fair play rules out there.

[JAS]

[quote="super_realist"][quote="lostinwales"]

Who even chooses SAGE, that communist Susan Michie isnt even qualified to comment on virology, yet shes a major part of it decision making.

Probably the same tools who chose deloitte, serco and Dido Harding to run a world class test track and trace system!!

[beninho]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

[Soul Requiem]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

What was the result?

[pedro]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

Not exactly the same. An experienced keeper vs a couple of 19 year old's.
Regardless, a keeper is not expected to save, but a shooter is expected to score.

[beninho]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

What was the result?

The score is irrelevant, when it was the substitution that was criticised. Bringing on players who hadn't played with the sole aim of being involved in the shootout. The exact same thing happened. It was either the right decision but didn't work out for Southgate and worked for Tuchel, or its the wrong decision that tuchel got lucky.

[beninho]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

Not exactly the same. An experienced keeper vs a couple of 19 year old's.
Regardless, a keeper is not expected to save, but a shooter is expected to score.

Kepa was brought on with the aim of saving, he was expected to save. Otherwise why do the sub?

Also neither were 19, and Rashford has pretty much as many appearances as Kepa, with Sancho not far behind.

[Soul Requiem]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

What was the result?

The score is irrelevant, when it was the substitution that was criticised. Bringing on players who hadn't played with the sole aim of being involved in the shootout. The exact same thing happened.  It was either the right decision but didn't work out for Southgate and worked for Tuchel, or its the wrong decision that tuchel got lucky.

The result is always relevant. As Pedro say there's a difference between bringing on an outfield dry so to speak and bringing on a goalkeeper who has done a lot of research into how the opposition takes penalties. Southgate was wrong and Tuchel was right.

[beninho]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

What was the result?

The score is irrelevant, when it was the substitution that was criticised. Bringing on players who hadn't played with the sole aim of being involved in the shootout. The exact same thing happened.  It was either the right decision but didn't work out for Southgate and worked for Tuchel, or its the wrong decision that tuchel got lucky.

The result is always relevant. As Pedro say there's a difference between bringing on an outfield dry so to speak and bringing on a goalkeeper who has done a lot of research into how the opposition takes penalties. Southgate was wrong and Tuchel was right.

So, is it just because they missed? Is it wrong in every instance, where a player comes on to take a penalty? Was Rashforx coming on in the 113th minute against Colombia wrong?

[beninho]

I guess, if Henderson and Walker missed their pens and we lost people woukd have said why didn't he bring on Rashford, as the only other recognised penalty taker in the squad. Same as people criticised Vena less for not utilising his bench in 1996, when he had Fowler.

[beninho]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.fourfourtwo.com/amp/features/does-bringing-substitutes-on-for-penalty-shootouts-ever-work

I threshing article on it. Last minute subs at 40% success rate, subs in last 20mins 77% success rate. I suppose the question is, how long would you have had Rashford at FB and Sancho in CM during extra time of the final. Or just hope with the players on the pitch.

[Soul Requiem]

The bigger question is why did Rashford replace Walker when Sterling wasn't one of his penalty takers?

I would have expected to see Sterling and Shaw in the first five, negating the need for the subs in the first place.

[beninho]

Rashford is generally a very good penalty taker, his United record is good. After Kane he he is the only recognised taker. Sterling's record, isn't great. I can live with getting Rashford and Sancho on for pens. I still think Saka at 5th was the wrong call, I'd have gone Pickford. Or moved Rashforx to 5th considering he was on anyway. Grealish could have taken one, but he's only taken a couple previously, scored obe, missed 1.

But, I remember being very scared when Eric Dier rocked up 5th in 2018, so what do I know.

[pedro]

Southgate got blasted for making subs in the 119th minute specifically for penalty shoot out.

Tuchal does the exact same and is a hero.

What was the result?

The score is irrelevant, when it was the substitution that was criticised. Bringing on players who hadn't played with the sole aim of being involved in the shootout. The exact same thing happened.  It was either the right decision but didn't work out for Southgate and worked for Tuchel, or its the wrong decision that tuchel got lucky.

The result is always relevant. As Pedro say there's a difference between bringing on an outfield dry so to speak and bringing on a goalkeeper who has done a lot of research into how the opposition takes penalties. Southgate was wrong and Tuchel was right.

So, is it just because they missed? Is it wrong in every instance, where a player comes on to take a penalty? Was Rashforx coming on in the 113th minute against Colombia wrong?

You can't say either is right or wrong. But I would say it's far riskier to bring on a outfield player in the 119th minute to take a pen, than bringing on a new keeper to save. You never blame a keeper for not saving, but you blame a shooter for not scoring. Hence the pressure is much higher on the shooter than the on the keeper, and much more so if you are brought in from the bench.

[pedro]

Rashford is generally a very good penalty taker, his United record is good. After Kane he he is the only recognised taker. Sterling's record, isn't great. I can live with getting Rashford and Sancho on for pens. I still think Saka at 5th was the wrong call, I'd have gone Pickford. Or moved Rashforx to 5th considering he was on anyway. Grealish could have taken one, but he's only taken a couple previously, scored obe, missed 1.

But, I remember being very scared when Eric Dier rocked up 5th in 2018, so what do I know.

Agree on Saka! WTF was he thinking.

[Soul Requiem]

Saka and Sancho did not look at all confident stepping up, compare that to Kane and Maguire who stepped up and bang.

[beninho]

England's last shootout, Sancho, Maguire, Barkley, Pickford, Derek, sterling all scored.

Looking at Italys takers Berrardi scored 29 in Serie A, bernadeschi scored 11. But Jorginho and Bellotti both regular takers with a lot of pens scored, missed. So God knows.

[dynamark]

I know we are on old ground but Southgate made a dreadful error with the last minute subs no question . We had a keeper at Leicester spider kalac and he was brought on just for pens once and it worked he was about 7 ft tall.
Re test and trace I dont entirely agree ,it could have been better but why rely on govt again to run your life ,If you got covid surely you would ring all recent contacts and put them in the picture get tested be super careful etc,Vaccination programme was superb,I got a vaccine cert next day my sons partner got a proof of recovery cert same day (which allowed them to go on holiday) ,Bad news is the waiting list but maybe now folk will not be bothering the doc every day with minor issues and flu is on the wane

[McLaren]

Southgate is a top notch corporate guy. You couldn't ask for a better figurehead for your organisation. Sadly he is not a great football manager. He is obviously not bad given he got to a WC semi and Euro's final, but with a really top manager this England squad could have won both. Essentially he got the most of the players based solely on being great people person. But a better tactician might have handled things in way that could have seen England beat Italy.

[lostinwales]

I know we are on old ground but Southgate made a dreadful error with the last minute subs no question . We had a keeper at Leicester spider kalac and he was brought on just for pens once and it worked he was about 7 ft tall.
Re test and trace I dont entirely agree ,it could have been better but why rely on govt again to run your life ,If you got covid  surely you would ring all recent contacts and put them in the picture get tested be super careful etc,Vaccination programme was superb,I got a vaccine cert next day my sons partner got a proof of recovery cert same day (which allowed them to go on holiday) ,Bad news is the waiting list but maybe now folk will not be bothering the doc every day with minor issues and flu is on the wane

Just wondering if you have the contact details of everyone you are in close contact with every day?

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