Euro 2020 Thread (11th June-11th July)

[Duty281]

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[JDizzle]

Not really sure why England would need to go wild with attacking subs. They are in total control and not sure why they would sacrifice much defensively and make them open to the Danish counter which is their big threat.

[alfie]

Henderson and Foden for Rice and Mount. Happy with those.

[Guest]

So one sided now, their on their knees

[Duty281]

Good changes but should have been made 30 minutes ago.

Immediately Foden provides more impetus than Mount did all night. England getting closer, Denmark are exhausted. Don't let this go to pens.

[alfie]

They just can't beat Schmeicel.  

But Sterling has won a penalty...

...Kane. Saved !

And scores from the rebound

[Duty281]

Penalty! Fair play to Sterling, he's stepped it up in this ET period.

Stick it away, Harry, get to the final.

That'll do.

[Guest]

Never a pen. Terrible way to decide the game

[Guest]

Lee Dixon ‘Harry Kane been very good tonight’

[Duty281]

Utterly awful penalty. Like a homage to Southgate's 96 effort.

Deserved for England who finally break the Viking shield wall. Don't sit back. Keep the ball and make Denmark chase. Get Sancho on to stretch them even further.

Kane had a good first 60-65 minutes, but he clearly tired and almost vanished from the game. Southgate left his replacement off the bench.

Penalty may have been generous, but England should have had one in the second half. And Southgate is a lucky manager...

[alfie]

Not over yet . Denmark will have to come out now.

Can we get a third ? Otherwise it stays tight to the end. My nerves are shredded...

[Duty281]

Grealish off?!

Southgate, you're a clueless clown. But a lucky one.

[owen10ozzy]

That substitution is disgusting!!!

Same three will start in midfield against Italy and it will be like Hodgson vs Italy all over again!! What an absolute plonker

[Duty281]

Switch to a back-five, take off one of the best technical players, and just invite pressure when there's no need to. Denmark will likely get one chance to level this.

[owen10ozzy]

England lose this then its completely southgates fault!!!!

Just inviting pressure onto us. Same old England! Walker going for the corner when he has two players free in box!! Unimaginable!!

[Guest]

England are through now. Shocking way to decide the game, that was never a pen. Harsh, soft and lucky words being described all round.

England been exposed as a pretty average outfit tonight.

[alfie]

Yes.

[JDizzle]

You bloody English fans are far too negative. They’ve had Denmark at arms length pretty much all game - have they created anything of note? The only difference between this and any of the earlier games is Denmark banged in a free kick from 30 yards.

[Duty281]

England win, it was 2-1 in the end. Strange game. First final since 1966.

[Soul Requiem]

Christ we made hard work of that.

[Samo]

Harsh on Denmark to lose to a penalty that wasnt, but England were the better team on the night.

However, if England play like that again on Sunday Italy will rip them apart. I think the Wembley factor will be huge.

[alfie]

You fellows will never stop knocking Southgate , will you ? Reckon he's got it right again.

I was surprised Grealish came off : but they've got the result , no ? Actually quite comfortably .

You can say they got lucky with that penalty. But in truth they largely dominated the game. The right team won.

Italy will be another step up for for now let's have a drink on this

[Soul Requiem]

Raheem Sterling produced one hell of a shift, his best performance in an England shirt

[Samo]

I was surprised Grealish came off : but they've got the result , no ? Actually quite comfortably .
bubbly:

Quite comfortably? An own goal and a penalty that shouldnt have been given isnt exactly my definition of comfortable.

[alfie]

Raheem Sterling produced one hell of a shift, his best performance in an England shirt

He's had a wonderful tournament. Reckon he's due another goal in the final.

Did I see someone suggesting he be taken off earlier ? Glad Southgate wasn't listening...

[Soul Requiem]

I was surprised Grealish came off : but they've got the result , no ? Actually quite comfortably .
bubbly:

Quite comfortably?  An own goal and a penalty that shouldnt have been given isnt exactly my definition of comfortable.

Conceding a goal from a free kick that wasn't too.

Kjaer doesn't put it in then Sterling does also.

[alfie]

I was surprised Grealish came off : but they've got the result , no ? Actually quite comfortably .
bubbly:

Quite comfortably?  An own goal and a penalty that shouldnt have been given isnt exactly my definition of comfortable.

Held them off quite comfortably in the last fifteen minutes , is what I meant. Match itself was indeed close enough ; though I think the weight of chances says it was closer than it should have been.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I wish Gareth had played more attacking football, we have the ability to make it to the final and he's held us back. I can't believe this generational talent have been ruined by the manager.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

And it was a penalty, the bodycheck took him out.

[GSC]

Sterling was Frak immense.

England in a final. 60k at Wembley. Drink it in

[Duty281]

Southgate's a bloody enigma. Tactically deficient, dodgy selections and woeful in-game management...but two semi-finals and a final. Yet strangely, he's only met expectations so far which, in his defence, has been beyond many England managers.

Southgate hasn't led England to victory over a team they weren't expected to beat. He's just done the minimum, benefited from favourable draws, got a dollop of luck with pens, and (currently) fallen short at the difficult hurdles. Sweden, Panama, Tunisia, then Croatia, Czechs, Germany, Denmark, Ukraine...all teams this England should expect to beat.

Italy is Becher's Brook...if Southgate can clear that one and triumph, he will have done something memorable. Otherwise he joins other England managers in not being able to clear the difficult hurdles...Sir Alf excepted!

I stand by what I said earlier in the tournament - I'd like to see him depart after this competition, regardless of the result, as he's clearly not the person to get the best out of this exciting generation of attacking talent England have.

Tonight was interesting. On the good side, we had another strong performance from Shaw. Maguire leading the defence well. Walker with a competent defensive shift. Phillips good on-the-ball. Kane's deeper role worked brilliantly for 60-65 minutes. Sterling was ferocious and relentless, he never stopped running at the Danes. Saka bright and inventive once again. Off the bench was good, too - Henderson, a massive step up in quality from Rice. Foden and Grealish providing fresh impetus and ideas.

On the negative we had the aforementioned poor game management from Southgate. Mount was anonymous for much of the game, he really shouldn't start the final. England were incredibly susceptible to the counter. Will be a big problem with the Italians who are so smooth in that department. Phillips and Rice frequently unable to break up attacks. Pickford had a very poor night. Not composed in possession, should have done better with the FK.

Danes were interesting. Was expecting them to feel some fatigue from their trip to Baku and back, but they looked utterly knackered after 70-75 minutes. That surprised me. When they were fresh they looked good, especially down the left hand side and with Hojberg breaking up play. Taking off Damsgard ended much of their attacking output.

Deserved win for England, on balance, but they're going to need a big step up to defeat Italy. It will require the best performance of Southgate's reign. I had four potential winners before the tournament - Italy were my 3rd favourites, England the 4th. And I reckon Italy are favourites for the final, maybe 60-40 in their favour.

[GSC]

All this actually succeeding at tournament football is a bit tiresome, let's go back to when England managers just picked names and got sent home by the first team with a coherent plan

[Guest]

The names just were unfortunate to play in far superior eras.

[GSC]

Yes John everybody is average or terrible, nobody is good, we all get it by now

[Guest]

Good

[Duty281]

All this actually succeeding at tournament football is a bit tiresome, let's go back to when England managers just picked names and got sent home by the first team with a coherent plan

Southgate hasn't defeated a strong nation yet. If he leads England to a win over Italy, then it's time to sit up and take notice. Until then, he's done nothing more (results-wise) than beat nations England should be beating. Meeting expectations, not exceeding them.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Yes John everybody is average or terrible, nobody is good, we all get it by now

Imagine we had Sven now. Or Keegan! We'd have just been given the trophy, considering we've made it with scared play and tactical deficiencies.

[Duty281]

Sven would have got England this far with the draws Southgate has had. Sven got the joy of running into Ronaldinho/Rivaldo/Ronaldo/Cafu/Roberto Carlos at a World Cup QF...Southgate got bloody Sweden! Sven got to play Ronaldo/Figo/Deco's Portugal at a Euros QF...Southgate got bloody Ukraine!

Poor Sven.

[Soul Requiem]

All this actually succeeding at tournament football is a bit tiresome, let's go back to when England managers just picked names and got sent home by the first team with a coherent plan

Southgate hasn't defeated a strong nation yet. If he leads England to a win over Italy, then it's time to sit up and take notice. Until then, he's done nothing more (results-wise) than beat nations England should be beating. Meeting expectations, not exceeding them.

That's the nature of international football; Croatia, Czechia, Germany and Denmark are all good teams. Even Italy have looked fallible.

[alfie]

All this actually succeeding at tournament football is a bit tiresome, let's go back to when England managers just picked names and got sent home by the first team with a coherent plan

Southgate hasn't defeated a strong nation yet. If he leads England to a win over Italy, then it's time to sit up and take notice. Until then, he's done nothing more (results-wise) than beat nations England should be beating. Meeting expectations, not exceeding them.

Well they've actually beaten quite a few traditionally fairly strong nations over the last three or four years. Sure Germany aren't anything like their usual strong level but they aren't exactly Iceland

You beat who you're up against. The only real black spot I'm seeing is losing to Croatia last WC (the two Belgium games were less important for one reason or another )

Seems to me you are rather setting him up to be a "failure" no matter what his team achieves. Semi , semi , final...I've been watching England in major tournaments since 1966 and am rather enjoying all this...

[Duty281]

All this actually succeeding at tournament football is a bit tiresome, let's go back to when England managers just picked names and got sent home by the first team with a coherent plan

Southgate hasn't defeated a strong nation yet. If he leads England to a win over Italy, then it's time to sit up and take notice. Until then, he's done nothing more (results-wise) than beat nations England should be beating. Meeting expectations, not exceeding them.

Well they've actually beaten quite a few traditionally fairly strong nations over the last three or four years. Sure Germany aren't anything like their usual strong level but they aren't exactly Iceland

You beat who you're up against. The only real black spot I'm seeing is losing to Croatia last WC (the two Belgium games were less important for one reason or another )

Seems to me you are rather setting him up to be a "failure" no matter what his team achieves. Semi , semi , final...I've been watching England in major tournaments since 1966 and am rather enjoying all this...

He certainly hasn't failed, he's meeting expectation which has been beyond a few England managers, but I'm not getting carried away just yet.

Sunday is a chance for Southgate's sporting immortality. Will be interesting to see how he goes about it.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I love this England team more than any I’ve ever watched.

They’re joyful, engaging, charismatic. They play intelligent football, defer to their manager, look out for the rest of their team. There’s pace, power but guile and a genuine ability to read the game they’re playing. 

They enjoy playing for England and enjoy the English crowd, but they’re not scared of it. They’re together by choice and could pull away if they wanted cos they don’t fear it either. Because they know what they are and are trying to be. 

I’ve seen England teams where maybe every player 1-11 would be a better individual choice than today’s. And they were worse. Lampard and Gerrard already in the shadows of Rice and Phillips even though they’re easily better than them and probably than they ever could be as players. 

John f*cking Stones. Laughed off a year or so ago, he’s playing superbly. Kyle Walker is no one’s favourite player, but has been so good defensively. Trippier comes in and out and looks exactly like a player Simeone would trust. Shaw goes to Rome before Mourinho and politely sticks two fingers up. Even Pickford, his first shaky night tonight, still made saves and punches and has been vital this run. 

And the two big guns up top. Elite level footballers with elite attitudes. 

The manager is brilliant, and the most easy to like of any English manager. The leader of the group, not just the manager. The most modern approach to managing this country, yet probably the kind of thing you’d learn if your education in the game was in the time where Bobby Robson was still around. He cares about the people in his squad, and it’s probably working as well for Gareth as any tactical thing.

Don’t know how people can’t be enjoying this, win or lose on Sunday. It’s refreshing and wonderful.

[eirebilly]

As an outsider looking in. I can't agree with the comments made against Southgate. I actually think he has been a revelation for England. England have always had star players that are capable of winning tournaments. A managers job is to gell the team and get them playing as a unit. The last England manager who did that was Tel V.

Average teams can go far in tournament's if they are led well (Look at ROI under SJC).

Sure, everyone wants exciting attacking play but at what cost? This is the first time in a long, long, time that England look assured and confident. That credit has to go to Southgate for me.

[GSC]

Denmark have been a really good team in this tournament, and should be proud of what they've achieved, but penalty or no, there really was only going to be one winner last night. For all the positions they worked, they scored a worldie and never looked likely to add to it beyond hoping for a set piece to come off. Around 70 minutes they looked toast and once Gareth went for the throat in extra time, they were trying to cling to penalties.

Bad Pickford came out last night. Not sure he really could've done much with the goal, he sees it late and it's coming over the wall with abundant pace and dip. But distribution looked frantic, and he needed to calm down in the first half.

Walker immense at the back, covering both Damsgaard and Maehle when the CBs were drawn out. Bit of a turn up, offensively he hasn't been at it in this tournament but he's been a vital part of this defensive run.

Credit to Damsgaard and co, because they largely bypassed Phillips and Rice in the first half with great movement. Rice in particular looked lethargic. After the half Phillips got into the game and Rice had little to do. Henderson probably could've gotten on earlier here.

Mount I think does a lot of good work that goes unseen, particularly occupying good positions in the final third to draw the defense out of position. Set pieces delivery needs to be better though.

Sterling immense. probably the game of his life. Scared the Poopie out of every Danish defender. Also showed resilience that hasn't always been there, Raheem in the past might have gone missing after the first half miss, minutes later he forced Kjaer to put it into his own net. Must be the player of the tournament

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

WHAT ON EARTH!!!

MOUNT STILL ON THE BLOODY PITCH!

SOUTHGATE CLUELESS....! WIN OR LOSE THAT DOESNT CHANGE!!!

The absolute state of you throughout the thread last night - luckily we have a manager who does actually know what he's doing, and has now lead us to the final four of consecutive tournaments and our first final since 66, bloody superb work by Southgate.

Thought we were clear and deserved winners last night - the Danes really offered nothing in attack, and the free kick was very good but should really have been saved. We created numerous chances, and then when ahead they literally couldn't get the ball off us.

Whatever happens on Sunday, bloody proud of this team

[Guest]

I love this England team more than any I’ve ever watched.

It’s fantastic. An incredible team. Have to agree that Rice and Phillips have been immense, and have completely controlled the middle of the park throughout the tournament. They have firmly put Lampard & Gerrard in their shadows. Can see why Rice is worth upwards of £75m, and why he coveted by the likes of Chelsea.

As for the defence, they’ve been incredible. Maguire and Stones must be one of the best English centre back pairings we’ve ever seen. To only concede one goal so far, and that being from a set-piece, just emphasises how phenomenal they’ve been. I’d put them up there with the likes of Maldini & Baresi. The way they’ve dealt with world class strikers such as the prolific Dicks, Rebic, Yaremchuk & Dolberg, has been a joy to watch.

Harry Kane has also proved how world class he is. Two outstanding goals against a strong Ukraine side, a tap in against Germany, and a tap in from a missed penalty, have just reinforced to everyone why Man City are willing to pay about £100m for his services. His exquisite touch, hold up play, and general all round leadership, have been pivotal to England throughout the tournament.

As for Southgate, what else can be said. He’s been a tactical genius during this tournament, and whoever has doubted him, needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

As for the penalty, i just can’t agree with the majority of pundits, saying it was ‘lucky’, ‘soft, ‘harsh’ etc. Even Arsene Wenger claimed it was never a penalty, but he’s just wrong. The impact on Sterling’s hip was seismic, and I’m surprised he was able to carry on. VAR was correct, and once again, proving to be an unequivocal success, in its introduction to football.

Last word on Sterling, or should we say, Sir Raheem? World class performer, and without a shadow of doubt, the player of the tournament. I would be very surprised if he’s not lifting the Balon D’or at the end of the year.

What a tournament, what a joy, what a team. It’s coming home!

[owen10ozzy]

I dont think talking negatively about either team or manager means we cant enjoy this run as fans. Ive enjoyed the games thoroughly in terms of seeing us making our way through the latter stages of the last 2 tournaments and obviously the incredible achievement of seeing us get to a final (something ive said plenty of times on here i never thought would happen in my lifetime)...

For me its not even about being negative (for a start i get frustrated more than negative under Southgate), its simply just me as a fan critiquing what im seeing in front of me....which is part & parcel of football...

I bet plenty of Liverpool fans were "negative" even in the last few years at stages, during Utds period of domination, ill guarantee plenty of people were "negative"

We have spoke about this England team for the past 6 years now as one which could do what they have gone and done, for all the talk about the squad being young the vast majority of players have absolute bundles of top level football experience. Their is little argument that as a squad they should be aiming for semi-finals (especially in an era in which your traditional big powers are massively underwhelming).

England have been favourites in every game thus far so we should be in the final. The question is, in a game which we arent favourites and a game against one of the top tier nations (Italy most certainly are under Mancini) can we step it up..

In terms of players ability we most definitely can but in terms of set-up and tactics from what ive seen thus far I dont think we will.

Now Southgate may well pull another rabbit from the hat and surprise us & Italy come the final but think all of us and Mancini knows exactly how hes lining up and who he will play.

That midfield have been passengers for large portions of Englands games (everything good has come from out wide essentially). Until Danish players tired  they were playing through us...Scotlands midfield outplayed us..Czechs had the better of the midfield battle for large spells also. That doesnt bode well against an Italy team who have a fantastic ability of strangling the life out of games when needed to from the midfield area.

We have shown we can play some scintillating stuff when we move the ball with pace  and some attacking purpose (Ukraine 2nd half...Last night for a 10-15 min 1st half spell & again for 25 min period at end of normal time & start of ET...Croatia in opening 25 mins). That for me is the frustration because I think if he dared the players to be just a tad more expansive (not talking gung ho) then think we would have put teams to bed much easier than we have and id make us overwhelming favourites against Italy.

As it is we seem incapable of keeping that tempo in our game and given the players we have and the clubs (and style of football those clubs play) I dont think the issue rests with them but comes from the instructions and way Southgate wants us to play.

As i said, we are more than capable and i truly hope we can do the unthinkable. Ill savour every moment of seeing something I never thought I would. But ill do so with expectations of winning very much tapered.

[owen10ozzy]

WHAT ON EARTH!!!

MOUNT STILL ON THE BLOODY PITCH!

SOUTHGATE CLUELESS....! WIN OR LOSE THAT DOESNT CHANGE!!!

The absolute state of you throughout the thread last night - luckily we have a manager who does actually know what he's doing, and has now lead us to the final four of consecutive tournaments and our first final since 66, bloody superb work by Southgate.

Thought we were clear and deserved winners last night - the Danes really offered nothing in attack, and the free kick was very good but should really have been saved. We created numerous chances, and then when ahead they literally couldn't get the ball off us.

Whatever happens on Sunday, bloody proud of this team

Sorry im not willing to fawn over Southgate because England have progressed to a final which on paper they were at least somewhat spoken about as being able to make. More so once the draw opened up wider than the Mississippi!

Has he man managed the squad well...absolutely. Has he brought players together in a way those before him failed to do so...no doubt at all...

But i wasnt discussing those abilities last night. I was discussing his game management and tactical ability of which I think he is massively lacking. Now i could very well be wrong...and ill hold my hands up if we do win on Sunday..but i see that Italy team controlling the midfield battle come Sunday...and if they get ahead then I dont see England being able to really go through the gears and get themselves back into it in the way they can against lesser quality nations & thats because I dont think Southgate has the tactical aptitude required.

Danes offered nothing? Really...remember Pickford making 3 good saves in 1st half. Also remember seeing the England defence looking rather uncomfortable and their old nervy selves for a 20 minute spell too

Am I proud of the tean..yep....Can i believe we have got to a major final in my lifetime...absolutely not. Will i enjoy the final on Sundat..yes indeed..has Southgate done better than those before him, by a long stretch he has...do I think hes bringing it home. Nope I dont...and if he doesnt is it a glaring opportunity missed...arguably bigger than 2018....no doubting that it will be!

[Soul Requiem]

The Danes did offer very little overall, they had a decent 15 minute period in the first half but aside from that they were a clear and distant second best. It's worth remembering that this is knockout international football, it's not the money grab of the champions league, this actually means something. That pressure means games end up tighter than they should be, players know they'll be vilified like Beckham in 98 if they make the mistake that costs the team, not everyone has an Alex Ferguson to drag you through the bad times and can ruin careers. Have I always agreed with Southgates tactics? No but then again i'm a bloke sat on my sofa watching at home, he's the one actually doing it.

There's an awful lot of you massively over rating the Italians as if they're Brazil in their pomp, they're a decent team with a slow old defence who can be got at.

Kyle Walker for instance shows up what I really know about football, I bemoaned his selection yesterday and he produces a top drawer performance. I've in the past questioned Sterling's mentality, boy has he shown that opinion up in recent years, this is a young man who was unfairly criticised for being a fancy dan for no other reason than the colour of his skin. The mental strength he's shown to come out of that the other side has to be commended, a lot of players would have folded under that shameful scrutiny.

[Duty281]

Yep, you can be critical of stuff while enjoying it. That's easily done. I'm sure (at least I hope!) Southgate is being critical of certain elements to the England performance last night.

I wouldn't say Southgate has done 'bloody superb work' - he's beaten teams England should be beating, especially with home advantage. His in-game management was poor last night, the Danes were done after 65-70 minutes but Southgate let it drag until ET. No way Mount or Rice should have been on the field for so long.

It's the shame we didn't see the best of the Danes last night. They were cooked after 70 minutes. They were hugely unfortunate to have to play a QF in Asia.

Even though Henderson should be starting the final, in my opinion, I'm resigned to Rice getting the starting berth as he is a favourite of Southgate. Mount will probably start, even though Grealish and Foden can offer more.

Italy are 60-40 favourites for me, maybe 65-35. A formidable winning machine, with a tough defence, and clinical attack, but perhaps susceptible to width and pace. I think they'll score at least two in 90 minutes, the Phillips-Rice midfield combo will be easily dominated (so much so that Southgate may consider a midfield three) and bypassed, the question is if England can be clinical and match them in the goals department.

[owen10ozzy]

Denmark have been a really good team in this tournament, and should be proud of what they've achieved, but penalty or no, there really was only going to be one winner last night. For all the positions they worked, they scored a worldie and never looked likely to add to it beyond hoping for a set piece to come off. Around 70 minutes they looked toast and once Gareth went for the throat in extra time, they were trying to cling to penalties.

Bad Pickford came out last night. Not sure he really could've done much with the goal, he sees it late and it's coming over the wall with abundant pace and dip. But distribution looked frantic, and he needed to calm down in the first half.

Walker immense at the back, covering both Damsgaard and Maehle when the CBs were drawn out. Bit of a turn up, offensively he hasn't been at it in this tournament but he's been a vital part of this defensive run.

Mount I think does a lot of good work that goes unseen, particularly occupying good positions in the final third to draw the defense out of position. Set pieces delivery needs to be better though.

Sterling immense. probably the game of his life. Scared the Poopie out of every Danish defender. Also showed resilience that hasn't always been there, Raheem in the past might have gone missing after the first half miss, minutes later he forced Kjaer to put it into his own net. Must be the player of the tournament

Completely agree on Sterling, has had far more detractors than he deserves over the past few years. Even before this Euro campaign an argument can be made he has been the best player in an England for going on 3 years. He can still lack that final product (as shown with his shot straight at Kasper) but he has the mental fortitude to press on and keep looking for those chances. Fantastic game and fantastic tournament.

Regards Walker, again agree and think he was pivotal in that 20 minute spell where Pickford and those alongside him seemed to lose their nerve and the old mistakes started to creep back in (a concern for the Italy game). I wonder whether Gareth will revert to the back 3 (really a back 5) come Sunday and I actually think thats out best chance of beating Italy.

Cant agree on Mount though, I may be missing it but just dont think he brings anything to the team. Even those things you say he does well I think others are capable of doing them and can add more guile and pull the strings better when linking the play between the sitting two & 3 up top. I get why he wouldnt play Grealish in that position as he does give the ball away cheaply at times and can be guilty of not working back. However I think Foden could do the job easily (Pep didnt give him a sustained run in the city team till he showed defensive work ethic) and id also suggest Bellingham & Saka (whose been sensational at tracking back and winning duals) could do that job better. Thats just my opinion.

As for the game; the better team definitely won & as you said Denmark provided next to nothing from 70 minutes onwards. Probably why i was so frustrated we didnt try and get that 3rd goal in ET to really kill the game off because while it was 2-1 they still won couple of corners and free kicks which they could have punished us from. Again...i get why we shut up shop and knocked the ball around to run down time...but there were at least 3 times when we broke with an extra man and could have gone for the 3rd but went to the corner instead.

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