World T20 discussion thread

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:18 am

First topic message reminder :

This is fast approaching in the UAE, and squads are beginning to be announced. England have announced theirs this morning

England's preliminary squad for the World T20;

Jason Roy
Jos Buttler
Dawid Malan
Jonny Bairstow
Liam Livingstone
Eoin Morgan
Sam Billings
Moeen Ali
Sam Curran
Chris Woakes
David Willey
Adil Rashid
Mark Wood
Chris Jordan
Tymal Mills

Reserves: James Vince, Liam Dawson, Tom Curran

Looks a solid squad, albeit the team has taken a hit in recent months with Archer's injury and then Stokes's withdrawal from international duty.
Billings in as the main batting backup, makes sense to me. He's played well in limited opportunity the past few summers.
I am a touch surprised both Woakes and Willey are in the squad...seems like they both do the same role to me?
Seems harsh, but happy no Tom Curran. He's not played well enough to be included.
I see some "why no Parkinson?" and it does seem a tad weird he isn't in reserve...but ultimately in T20 can you afford to carry someone like him, who while is a good bowler, is a liability in the field and offers absolutely nothing with the bat. I can see why Dawson is the chosen reserve over him, with those considerations.

I think the likely XI is;

Roy
Buttler
Malan
Bairstow
Livingstone
Morgan
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Mills

The real selection choices in there are between Woakes/Jordan, and Moeen/Sam Curran. Rest looks fairly set in stone to me

by Duty281 Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:05 pm

Great figures for Livingstone. He's added another dimension to this England side since coming in.

by eirebilly Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:06 pm

I would say that the Aussies are leaving Cummins for a last 4 over bash guildford. Like ye, though, i would have had him in either before Wade or after him.

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:09 pm

Livingstone 1/15 from his four . Just what the doctor ordered.

All pace now ? Mills has three left so they'll have to go after him...and Finch does ...

This might be an interesting test for Mills.

by eirebilly Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:12 pm

Agar has to either swing out or get out now. This is not good.

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:12 pm

eirebilly wrote:I would say that the Aussies are leaving Cummins for a last 4 over bash guildford. Like ye, though, i would have had him in either before Wade or after him.

Yeah, Billy, that seems to Australia's approach. I would just have chosen - from an Australia perspective - for Cummins to be there going mental now (or at least trying to) and then for Finch to join him in the onslaught or take over from him in the final 4 overs.

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:22 pm

I did say Agar could handle a bat Smile

Woakes with some pressure on him for a change. Twenty off the over unless this hopeful lbw review pays off. Which it doesn't.

Three more overs left so the score could yet get up around 130 , which would be a good recovery ...

Am I alone in thinking England could have tried one over from Moeen before going all pace ?

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:22 pm

Two sixes from Agar off Woakes in the 17th. Cracking stuff but I agree with Warne (sorry! Rolling Eyes

) that I would have liked to have seen such intent earlier.

95/5 off 17 now. 120+ remains on ....

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:23 pm

alfie wrote:I did say Agar could handle a bat

Woakes with some pressure on him for a change. Twenty off the over unless this hopeful lbw review pays off. Which it doesn't.

Three more overs left so the score could yet get up around 130 , which would be a good recovery ...

Am I alone in thinking England could have tried one over from Moeen before going all pace ?

No.

by **Pal Joey** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:25 pm

Maybe you're right, Billy. 125-ish if they have a bit more luck like that close lbw to Agar.
They don't deserve that much more though. I blame Warner for starting the rot. He was never "in form"... that shaky 65 was courtesy of several early missed chances.

Here's your man, Cummins. A few runs would be handy but we need him to have a special night with the ball along with Hazlewood and Starc.

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:26 pm

That's why I wanted Cummins in sooner!

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:27 pm

The magical 140 is not impossible. 30 needed off 2 overs with Finch and Cummins (strike rate: 600) there ....

by Duty281 Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:28 pm

Not the best day for Mills, and he's bowling the last. Aussies picking up some late momentum, like Afghanistan yesterday.

110 with two overs left - 130, maybe 140?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:28 pm

Far too many slot balls from Woakes and Mills so far - Aussies getting themselves to a defendable total if they bowl well

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:29 pm

Mills has Agar caught pulling...England will be glad to see him go after his last over efforts.

Cummins might not find it easy to go ballistic from the first . Or then again he might Very Happy

Nice hit . And again ! Mills will need to think about what he does in the twentieth.

And Jordan now - hoping to keep Australia from reaching surprising total .

by **Pal Joey** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:29 pm

guildfordbat wrote:That's why I wanted Cummins in sooner!

What does Mrs Bat think of Cummins, Guildford?

Well played Finch. Holes out. A pity he didn't have much support from the others.

by Duty281 Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:30 pm

All hail the other Sir Chris.

Two wickets in two. Cummins dismissed with a lovely yorker.

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:31 pm

Jordan must have heard our mild criticisms Smile

Finch gone with the aid of a fine catch by Bairstow , and Cummins skittled next ball...

No hat trick but two handy wickets !

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:34 pm

No mucking about with the third umpire for Finch. He's straight off to the hutch. clap

Always liked Finch since I saw him make his Surrey debut at Guildford. Hit his first ball for six and, when he was out, was soon to be seen smoking a cigarette behind the pavilion. Very Happy

Anyway, with Cummins going next ball, there's no chance now of 140. Think Australia would settle for that 120 now.

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:35 pm

In fact a brilliant over from Jordan. Credit where due thumbsup

Mills to finish. Hasn't had a great night . Will want to nail this one.

by **Pal Joey** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:36 pm

Scamper Zampa. He's pretty quick for a 12 year old.

by king_carlos Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:36 pm

Many of us have criticised Jordan at times over the years but that's a very good days work indeed.

by **Pal Joey** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:38 pm

Pal Joey wrote:Scamper Zampa. He's pretty quick for a 12 year old.

But not quick enough on that occasion.

by eirebilly Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:39 pm

king_carlos wrote:Many of us have criticised Jordan at times over the years but that's a very good days work indeed.

Its not underserved at times but as i said earlier, when his tail is up, he is stunning.

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:40 pm

Pal Joey wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:That's why I wanted Cummins in sooner!

What does Mrs Bat think of Cummins, Guildford?

Well played Finch. Holes out. A pity he didn't have much support from the others.

In all honesty, she did say he would be out next ball after his second six! Shocked

by Duty281 Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:41 pm

125. Almost certainly not enough, but to get to that score after being 21/4 is a decent effort.

Mills may find his place under threat from Wood after that performance, though the left-arm angle is obviously favoured by the selectors.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Not Tymal’s night - again in the slot to start the over for Starc and down the legside for the six.
125 all out for the Aussies - got themselves upto something defendable, but you’d think 150 is par on this with the short boundary one side

by KP_fan Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:42 pm

Although Aussies managed to get something to bowl at
Eng wil win and should do so fairly easily

Eng and Pak have looked like the top sides on top of their games and it could well be a final between them

by eirebilly Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:42 pm

In fairness, that is some comeback from the Aussies after being 49-4 after 10 overs.

It gives the Aussie bowlers something to defend and enough to put England under some pressure.

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:43 pm

Sharp work from Buttler and Mills to run out Zampa. Tough to steal a run to the keeper but with three balls left why not go for it...

Starc making Mills pay for more loose stuff. Caught behind last ball so it's 125 all out.

Probably represents a decent effort after the early disaster and the poor situation at halfway. Finch good ; Agar Cummins and Starc useful late contributions; all the England bowlers good except for Mills who had a bit of a shocker tonight. He will be on his mettle next game I think.

Not a gimme I suppose. But you'd reckon they'd fancy chasing this.

by **Pal Joey** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:47 pm

Duty281 wrote:125. Almost certainly not enough, but to get to that score after being 21/4 is a decent effort.

Mills may find his place under threat from Wood after that performance, though the left-arm angle is obviously favoured by the selectors.

Certainly a recovery of sorts from the disastrous start. Only about 50 runs short.
If England get off to a flyer, as expected, then alfie and myself will probably have an earlier night... sunrise only 3 hours away here.
Or should that be "when", Duty? Smile

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:49 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
alfie wrote:I did say Agar could handle a bat

Woakes with some pressure on him for a change. Twenty off the over unless this hopeful lbw review pays off. Which it doesn't.

Three more overs left so the score could yet get up around 130 , which would be a good recovery ...

Am I alone in thinking England could have tried one over from Moeen before going all pace ?

No.

Going back to Alfie's post here, I just feel - as he and I did earlier - that just one over from Moeen would have given us more options and flexibility in the closing stages which would have been valuable and worth the risk of him going for a few.

by eirebilly Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:51 pm

I may be the only one here but I am actually nervous about this chase. The Aussies bowlers are very good.

by **Pal Joey** Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:52 pm

Yeah Athers, I reckon Starc has aggravated that side strain from earlier in the week. Looks as though he's just going to try and work through any pain.

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:02 pm

Pal Joey wrote:Yeah Athers, I reckon Starc has aggravated that side strain from earlier in the week. Looks as though he's just going to try and work through any pain.

I'm not falling for that - Athers and you are just trying to trick me into changing bowlers! Wink

Here's my other man with the ball ....

by guildfordbat Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:05 pm

eirebilly wrote:I may be the only one here but I am actually nervous about this chase. The Aussies bowlers are very good.

It's not a done deal but even a worrygutter like me puts us well ahead ....

And that was before Roy's six! Smile

by eirebilly Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:16 pm

Any concerns i had are now fully gone...

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:22 pm

England openers making that 125 look very sub-par. This pitch is rather good for batting , it seems.

Some sympathy for the bowlers here. They know they're trying to defend the indefensible and are desperate to get wickets. But the batsmen are out there with a licence to whack anything they fancy.

Think we can safely call this "game over" : and rather doubt it will
take too long...more boost for the England run rate.

Power play yields 66 for no cost in wickets. Not bad Smile

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:23 pm

All cricket should be England’s white ball batting - nothing else is fun

by eirebilly Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:24 pm

Savage

by Soul Requiem Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:24 pm

Is this Australian attack a bit one paced for T20?

by Duty281 Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:25 pm

Easy street for England, again. First place is safe for both Pakistan and England, the battle for second in both of those groups is a very tight and enthralling one.

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:26 pm

eirebilly wrote:Any concerns i had are now fully gone...

Don't think even trebell would be stressing too much right now.

But of course that post has ensured Zampa gets Roy with just his second delivery Smile

by king_carlos Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:28 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Is this Australian attack a bit one paced for T20?

Pick your best bowlers for me. Starc is an outstanding white ball bowler, Cummins very good and Hazlewood has a decent white ball record despite not playing that much T20. All three would certainly would be in my XI if I were selecting for Australia.

They are just defending a very low target against an outstanding batting lineup.

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:33 pm

That was a very good first over from Zampa. Shame from his point of view he has such a paltry target to defend as I think he could have created a bit of pressure , given a reasonable score to bowl at.

Starc getting a bit of a battering...

Buttler seems to be enjoying himself.

by king_carlos Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:35 pm

Buttler really is a freak when he gets going in T20s. Remarkable hitting.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:38 pm

I’m going to be incredibly sad the Jos stops thwacking sixes

by alfie Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:39 pm

Fifty for Jos Yahoo

This is as good as I've ever seen him play in a serious t20 : some truly magnificent striking .

97 off nine overs ! This will be over in about 11 overs...crazy stuff.

by king_carlos Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:41 pm

Spin sees for Malan. A shame. It would have been the cherry on top had Malan been there at the end and hit a couple more boundaries for his confidence.

by Old Man Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:46 pm

This means SA must beat England to qualify for the Semis

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:47 pm

Jos the man has a family

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