2021-22 Ashes Tipping Competition

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The 2021-22 Ashes Tipping Competition Rules:

1.
Pick 2 (two) batsmen and 2 (two) bowlers from both England and Australia who you think will score the most runs and take the most wickets.
You get both batting and bowling points per innings so a bowler who scores runs has both batting and bowling scores added together.
e.g.
Warner, Labuschagne, Starc, Cummins
Malan, Root, Broad, Anderson

2.
Pick 1 (one) fielder from each team; excluding wicket keepers for most catches in the Series.
It can be a bowler (for c&b) if you want.
e.g.
Smith, Stokes

3.
Select which wicket keeper will take the greatest number of catches, stumpings and run outs combined for each Test.
If a wicket keeper is injured then the replacement keeper's figures shall be used.
e.g.
Australia (Carey) or England (Bairstow... or Buttler) or the same number of dismissals.

4.
Predict the Toss:
a) Who wins the toss?
e.g.
Australia

b) Winning captain's decision - bat or field?
e.g.
Bat

5.
a) Predict the 1st Ashes Test result.
e.g.
Australia or England or Draw

Selections must be posted a minimum one (1) hour before the commencement of each Test. No PM reminders shall be sent.


Scoring:

Note:
The figures in bold below represent changes to previous competition scoring values.
I have increased the bonus amounts - for batting and bowling bonuses, the toss and captain's decision and for correctly selecting the test match result - for added point-scoring value.

1.
1 point for every run scored by your nominated batsmen. Add together for each Test.
Bonus 25 points for 100 runs.
extra 30 points for 150 runs.
extra 45 points for 200 runs.
extra 60 points for 250 runs.
extra 125 bonus points for 300+ runs.

Note: the batting & bowling score bonuses accumulate so;

Batting: (per innings)
100 runs = 125 points. A player scores 137 runs + 25 = 162 points.
150 runs = 205 points. A player scores 177 runs + 25 + 30 = 232 points.
200 runs = 300 points. A player scores 243 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 = 343 points.
250 runs = 410 points. A player scores 282 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 + 60 = 442 points
300+ runs = 585 points. A player scores 321 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 125 = 606 points.

Bowling: (per innings)
25 points per wicket with a bonus 50 points for a 5-fer.
An extra 30 points for 6-fer, 45 for 7-fer, 60 for 8-fer, 75 for 9-fer.
An extra 100 bonus points for a 10-fer.

5 wickets = 125 points + 50 = 175 points
6 wickets = 150 points + 50 + 30 = 230 points.
7 wickets = 175 points + 50 + 30 + 45 = 300 points
8 wickets = 200 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 = 385 points
9 wickets = 225 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 75 = 485 points
10 wickets = 250 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 75 + 100 = 610 points

Caught and bowled = 25 points for the wicket + 25 bonus points for the catch = 50 points.

2.
Fielder catches: Your nominated fieldsman earns you 25 points per catch and 25 points for a run out.

3.
Wicket keepers: 50 points for correct selection for most dismissals across both innings.
Or if you think the wicket keepers will take the same number of total dismissals per innings - then nominate "the same" = 50 points.
If they take the same number of catches and stumpings (combined) and you've picked either one of the keepers - then you earn 25 points only.

4.
a) Correctly predict who wins the toss = 25 points
b) Correctly predict what the winning Captain decides to do = 25 points - only for those with part a) above correct; no points if your a) was incorrect.

5.
a) Correctly predict the winning team for each Test match = 125 points.
b) If you guess all 5 Test match outcomes correctly then there is a further 125 point bonus = 625 + 125 = 750 points.
Note: Correctly predict a "Draw" = 125 points

If one (or more) of your selected players gets injured during a match or is dropped from the Test side after a match, then you’ll have the opportunity to select replacement players – either as it happens - for the injured player or before the next Test commences (for a player who gets dropped).
It doesn’t have to be the actual substitute player – it can be somebody else already in the team. However, you don’t receive any of their previous points up until the point of the replacement of the injured player from the field – you must start accumulating points from scratch with them.

*****

December 8-12, 2021: 1st Test at The 'Gabba, Brisbane. Australia won by 9 wickets (1-0)

December 16-20, 2021: 2nd Test (D/N) at Adelaide Oval. Australia won by 275 runs (2-0)

December 26-30, 2021: 3rd Test at MCG. Australia won by an innings and 14 runs (3-0)

January 5-9, 2022: 4th Test at SCG. Match drawn (3-0)

January 14-18, 2022: 5th Test (D/N) at Bellerive Oval, Hobart. Australia won by 146 runs (4-0)


*****

Good Luck!

JDizzle wrote:Smith Labushagne, Root Stokes
Jhye Cummins, Robinson Woakes (Anderson as reserve)
Smith, Root
Carey
England and bat
Australia win

Cheers PJ!

Starc as reserve… just in case!

If Cummins misses out I'll take Lyon as reserve please.

Noted KC and JD.

Big news! Could also mean Smith takes over the captaincy again.

I'm going to wait of few hours until there's an official ruling. Then make the change if need be. It doesn't look good for us though.

Richardson for me if no Cummins. Cheers, Joey.

Will take both Richardson and Neser if Cummins doesn't play.

Just confirmed; Cummins out, Neser in.
Cummins will be available for the 3rd Test in Melbourne.
Steve Smith will captain the team.

Apparently Starc and Lyon were dining at the same restaurant... but outdoors and not indoors as Pat was. They are therefore classified as 'casual' rather than 'close' contacts.

This puts a whole new complexion on things.

So my final Australian picks: Labuschagne, Head, Starc, Lyon (not Richardson)

So I had better replace Cummins with someone... Make it Neser , please PJ.

So much for that idea, I'll have Lyon please.

Well I got the toss right

Can I replace Cummins with Lyon please

PJ....may I request Starc for Cummins Please

I’ll take Neser for Cummins please PJ

This is what I've got down on the spreadsheet so far... please let me know if you think something's not right.

Alfie: Lab/Smith/Neser/Starc - Root/Stokes/Anderson/Broad - Smith/Root - JB - Aus/bat - Eng
Afro: Lab/Green/Starc/Lyon - Root/Stokes/Robinson/Anderson - Warner/Burns - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Compelling: Lab/Smith/Starc/Richardson - Malan/Root/Robinson/Anderson - Warner/Stokes - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Duty: Lab/Smith/Neser/Richardson - Root/Stokes/Anderson/Broad - Smith/Stokes - AC - Eng/field - Aus
Guildford: Lab/Smith/Starc/Richardson - Malan/Root/Woakes/Robinson - Smith/Root - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
James: Lab/Smith/Neser/Starc - Root/Stokes/Robinson/Anderson - Smith/Root - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
JDizzle: Lab/Smith/Starc/Richardson - Root/Stokes/Woakes/Robinson - Smith/Root - AC - Eng/bat - Aus
King Carlos: Lab/Smith/Starc/Lyon - Root/Stokes/Robinson/Anderson - Smith/Root - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
KP_fan: Green/Carey/Starc/Richardson - Stokes/Buttler/Woakes/Robinson - Smith/Stokes - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Lowland: Harris/Smith/Starc/Lyon - Hameed/Root/Stokes/Robinson - Lab/Burns - AC - Eng/field - Draw
Olly: Lab/Green/Neser/Lyon - Root/Stokes/Anderson/Broad - Smith/Root - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Pal Joey: Lab/Head/Starc/Lyon - Malan/Root/Robinson/Anderson - Smith/Root - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Soul: Lab/Smith/Starc/Lyon - Malan/Stokes/Robinson/Anderson - Warner/Stokes - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Superfly: Lab/Smith/Starc/Lyon - Malan/Stokes/Robinson/Anderson - Warner/Root - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Tino: Lab/Head/Neser/Starc - Malan/Root/Robinson/Anderson - Smith/Root - AC - Eng/field - Aus

Those who have Neser for Cummins' replacement (that's where the cell landed) please confirm if you want him or someone else.

Just awaiting Gooseberry and Dolphin for their final selections.
Please let me know as soon as you can... at least 7 and a half months before Jimmy's 40th birthday would be great.

Otherwise I'll panic and use your picks for the 1st Test (minus the toss) and include Neser for Cummins and Anderson for Wood automatically.  

Flipper: Lab/Smith/Neser/Starc - Root/Stokes/Robinson/Anderson - Smith/Root - AC - Aus/bat - Aus
Goose: Lab/Smith/Neser/Starc - Root/Stokes/Woakes/Anderson - Smith/Root - AC - Eng/bat - Aus

I'll have Starc please.

Soul Requiem wrote:I'll have Starc please.

Thanks Soul.

Bang on for me thanks PJ.

I'll take Lyon for Cummins.

Neser is fine for me, Pee Jay.

Thanks, champ.

superflyweight wrote:I'll take Lyon for Cummins.  

Thanks Super.

Corrected the list above - Labuschagne/Smith/Starc/Lyon

ill take richardson for cummins please PJ

Points Table
2nd Test, Adelaide, Day 1:

1248 Olly [195] *#
1242 Afro [170] *#
1219 Superflyweight [188] *#
1166 Duty [163]
1155 Gooseberry [138]
1126 Dolphin [138]
1119 Soul Requiem [188] *#
1115 JDizzle [138]
1093 Guildfordbat [163] *#
1064 Alfie [213] *#
1051 James [188] *#
1026 King Carlos [188] *#
1026 KP_Fan [75] *#
971 Pal Joey [145] *#
960 Compelling and Rich [163] *#
840 Tino [95]
835 Lowlandbrit [46]

* denotes correct pick Australia win toss
# denotes correct pick Australia elected to bat

Average score: 1074 [153]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

Notes:
Olly is back up at the top of the table and leads Afro by 6 points.
Congrats to Alfie who top scored today with 213 points.
Dolphin and Gooseberry's scores are provisional - 1st Test picks are used with Neser for Cummins and Anderson for Wood. See post above.
James - please confirm if you want Neser or someone else for Cummins.

Not many points to be had outside of Marnus and Warner tbf

Broad's wicket of Harris the difference between olly and me today

Pal Joey wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:1. Smith and Marnie, Cummins, Starc
Root, Stokes, Wood (or Robinson), Stokes

2. Smith, Root

3. Carey

4. Australia win toss, bat first

5. Australia win

Flipper... I'll ignore the last "Stokes" and have you down for Wood and Robinson as your England bowlers.

Think you'll have to keep the same ones as I forgot, or just void the bits I missed, but I'll take Lyon and Starc if I'm allowed - and Stokes and Robinson would have to be in as my England bowling options.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:1. Smith and Marnie, Cummins, Starc
Root, Stokes, Wood (or Robinson), Stokes

2. Smith, Root

3. Carey

4. Australia win toss, bat first

5. Australia win

Flipper... I'll ignore the last "Stokes" and have you down for Wood and Robinson as your England bowlers.

Think you'll have to keep the same ones as I forgot, or just void the bits I missed, but I'll take Lyon and Starc if I'm allowed - and Stokes and Robinson would have to be in as my England bowling options.

Sure Dolphin. I'll make those changes. No probs.

Points Table
2nd Test, Adelaide, Day 2:

1567 Gooseberry [412]
1546 Superflyweight [327]
1498 Duty [332]
1498 Olly [250]
1496 Afro [254]
1478 Dolphin [352]
1463 James [412]
1451 Alfie [387]
1451 JDizzle [336]
1417 Soul Requiem [298]
1380 Guildfordbat [287]
1378 King Carlos [352]
1302 KP_Fan [276]
1247 Compelling and Rich [287]
1217 Pal Joey [246]
1146 Tino [306]
1085 Lowlandbrit [250]

Average score: 1389 [316]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

Afro wrote:

I have tweaked my selection swapping Smith out for Green based on that

This is looking an inspired move in hindsight!!!

Pal Joey wrote:Points Table
2nd Test, Adelaide, Day 2:

1567 Gooseberry [412]
1546 Superflyweight [327]
1498 Duty [332]
1498 Olly [250]
1496 Afro [254]
1478 Dolphin [352]
1463 James [412]
1451 Alfie [387]
1451 JDizzle [336]
1417 Soul Requiem [298]
1380 Guildfordbat [287]
1378 King Carlos [352]
1302 KP_Fan [276]
1247 Compelling and Rich [287]
1217 Pal Joey [246]
1146 Tino [306]
1085 Lowlandbrit [250]

Average score: 1389 [316]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

not sure how im not moving anywhere, won the toss and decision. had all the major points scorers so far yet cant move off bottom

Most also had the toss and decision (on Thursday), the major point scorers including Stokes and the Smith catch (that's 100 points right there with Stokes' 3 wickets yesterday)... so that explains the 316 point average for the day.

You did overtake me though so I guess that's a good thing for you. Malan didn't help our cause much either.
Hopefully a better day ahead for both of us.

Ha...amidst all the gloom (from an England PoV) yesterday I seem to have moved up the table a bit.
Won't last.

Thanks for the quick updates , PJ

alfie wrote:Ha...amidst all the gloom (from an England PoV) yesterday I seem to have moved up the table a bit.
Won't last.

Thanks for the quick updates , PJ

Thanks. The robot is such a hard worker, alfie.

Bloody hot here today. Like Adelaide yesterday. I've already been in out out of the pool several times and rescued half a dozen bees. Poor things.

Hi , PJ.

Pleasant here today , not too hot but bright and sunny.

Good to see you looking after the local insect life : better you than me as I'm a bit fearful of bees (while appreciating their value). I'm sure you prefer them to spiders...

Pal Joey wrote:Most also had the toss and decision (on Thursday), the major point scorers including Stokes and the Smith catch (that's 100 points right there with Stokes' 3 wickets yesterday)... so that explains the 316 point average for the day.

You did overtake me though so I guess that's a good thing for you. Malan didn't help our cause much either.
Hopefully a better day ahead for both of us.

Until today that is.

He went from 1 to 80 runs. I was actually willing him on to make a ton this afternoon. He's well suited to our conditions but he just had an unnecessary rush of blood at the wrong time when having a slash at that Starc delivery. I generally like his temperament at the crease though.

Points Table
2nd Test, Adelaide, Day 3:

1817 Afro [321]
1817 Superflyweight [271]
1814 Gooseberry [247]
1780 Olly [282]
1774 Dolphin [296]
1710 Soul Requiem [293]
1691 JDizzle [240]
1686 James [223]
1683 Alfie [232]
1674 King Carlos [296]
1665 Guildfordbat [285]
1655 Duty [157]
1558 Pal Joey [341]
1510 KP_Fan [208]
1488 Compelling and Rich [241]
1414 Tino [268]
1372 Lowlandbrit [287]

Average score: 1653 [254]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

Notes:
It's a tie at the top with Afro and Super both on 1817 points with Gooseberry only 3 points behind in 3rd place.
I had a decent scoring day (first time in ages) with Malan, Root, Starc and Lyon... and Smith as catcher as well.

Points Table
2nd Test, Adelaide, Day 4:

2097 Afro [280]
2070 Superflyweight [253]
2068 Gooseberry [254]
2052 Dolphin [278]
2043 Guildfordbat [378]
2042 Olly [262]
2009 Soul Requiem [299]
2002 JDizzle [311]
1998 Duty [343]
1990 James [304]
1962 Alfie [279]
1952 King Carlos [278]
1948 Pal Joey [390]
1916 Compelling and Rich [428]
1830 Tino [416]
1779 KP_Fan [269]
1551 Lowlandbrit [179]

Average score: 1959 [306]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

Quick work PJ, the table highlights the predictability of this series.

Soul Requiem wrote:Quick work PJ, the table highlights the predictability of this series.

Thanks Soul. I just plug in the scores and it's all there.

The top is definitely getting compressed. Uncanny how only a few points are separating positions in many cases. There were some big earners down near the bottom today - Compelling and Tino. I also did well for the second day in a row.

We just need to lift Lowland up somehow. Maybe we could relocate him to Switzerland? I'm sure KP_fan wouldn't object.

Think I should get some bonus points for identifying the only Australian that can't buy a run

Lowlandbrit wrote:Think I should get some bonus points for identifying the only Australian that can't buy a run

Food for thought. I had actually thought of giving a bonus to the 'unluckiest' punter only the other day. Like a golden wooden spoon award.
Maybe award some points for the bottom 3; 150/100/50 or something like that? Or perhaps only 100/50/25?

If I get 3 "yes, fair enough... doesn't bother me" votes... we can do it.

a) 17th gets 150, 16th gets 100, 15th gets 50, or
b) 17th gets 100, 16th gets 50, 15th gets 25, or
c) you've got to be kidding!

Vote a) or b) or c)

Perhaps it could also be arranged that England get a bonus fifty runs for each bad drop/duck/no ball while we're at it - might even the contest up !

Not sure about Lucky Points for Unlucky Picks , PJ : KP_fan would probably end up winning the competition with them ...

alfie wrote:Perhaps it could also be arranged that England get a bonus fifty runs for each bad drop/duck/no ball while we're at it - might even the contest up !

Not sure about Lucky Points for Unlucky Picks , PJ  : KP_fan would probably end up winning the competition with them ...

True.

I take your point. Maybe you can just donate some of yours to Lowland, then?

Points Table
2nd Test, Adelaide, Day 5:

2420 Guildfordbat [377] #
2388 JDizzle [386] #
2323 Gooseberry [255] #
2321 Dolphin [269] #
2318 Duty [320] #
2316 Afro [219] #
2289 Superflyweight [219] #
2287 Olly [245] #
2228 Soul Requiem [219] #
2221 King Carlos [269] #
2209 James [219] #
2208 Pal Joey [260] #
2201 Compelling and Rich [285] #
2191 KP_Fan [412] #
2107 Alfie [145] *
2040 Tino [210] #
1643 Lowlandbrit [92]

Average score: 2218 [259]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

# Australia win = 125 points
* Buttler most dismissals = 50 points
(Buttler: 5 caught behinds, 1 run out; Carey: 2 caught behinds; )


Special Team Scores for the Second Test at Adelaide Oval are as follows:

First figure: Accumulative Score
Figure in brackets: [2nd Test Score]

Australia:
2588 [1401] - average player score 235.27 [127.36]

England:
1875 [1017]  - average player score 170.45 [92.45]


Top 12 Individual Player Scores: (using the special formula for bonuses, catches, run outs, w/k dismissals)

First figure: Accumulative Score
Figure in brackets: [2nd Test Score]

338 Starc [228]
288 Labuschagne [174]
275 Root [161]
271 Smith [219]
261 Head [89]
258 Malan [150]
242 Warner [128]
240 Lyon [125]
211 Robinson [83]
200 Stokes [161]
200 Green [105]
187 Cummins [---]

Followed by: Woakes 180 [93], Carey 178 [77], Buttler 168 [86], Richardson 142 [142], Broad 108 [108]


Notes:
Congratulations Guildford! You are the new leader after a powerful finish on Day 5 scoring 377 points.
KP_fan (412 points) and JD (386 points) also scored very well too with JD now in 2nd place; only 32 points behind the leader.
Compelling, Duty, Guildford, JD and KP_fan got the 50-point bonus for Richardson's 5-fer.
Thanks once again everyone for your keen participation. There should be some interesting team selections for the 3rd Test on Boxing Day.

Pal Joey wrote:Notes:
Congratulations Guildford! You are the new leader after a powerful finish on Day 5 scoring 377 points.
KP_fan (412 points) and JD (386 points) also scored very well too with JD now in 2nd place; only 32 points behind the leader.
Compelling, Duty, Guildford, JD and KP_fan got the 50-point bonus for Richardson's 5-fer.
Thanks once again everyone for your keen participation. There should be some interesting team selections for the 3rd Test on Boxing Day.

I see I top-scored once in each test match and yet I am 4th from the bottom ...and yet only 230 points off the the Board leader.
And the Leader slot itself has been swinging
A one sided series so far is creating a thrilling tipping competition

KP_fan wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:Notes:
Congratulations Guildford! You are the new leader after a powerful finish on Day 5 scoring 377 points.
KP_fan (412 points) and JD (386 points) also scored very well too with JD now in 2nd place; only 32 points behind the leader.
Compelling, Duty, Guildford, JD and KP_fan got the 50-point bonus for Richardson's 5-fer.
Thanks once again everyone for your keen participation. There should be some interesting team selections for the 3rd Test on Boxing Day.

I see I top-scored once in each test match and yet I am 4th from the bottom ...and yet only 230 points off the the Board leader.
And the Leader slot itself has been swinging
A one sided series so far is creating a thrilling tipping competition  

Thanks KP.

Yes, you're only 229 points off the lead (it sounds a lot but it's not really... you can make up 100 points in half an hour's play if things go your way) and today you were over 150 points above the average. A few more days like that and who knows how the table might look. A couple of early points next test and you can quickly reduce the deficit. It's great how only 230 odd points separates the top 14.

T3 picks, Pee Jay -

Batting - Labus shag knee & Smith / Root & Stokes

Bowling - Cummins and Lyon / Robinson and Wood. (If any one them don't play, just make something up for me please)

Catchers - Smith & Root

Keeper - Carey

England win the toss and bat.

Outcome - England win (I don't believe they will for one minute but I'm so far down the league I need to go against the grain).

Labuschagne, Smith, Root, Stokes
Cummins, Starc, Anderson, Robinson (Wood next in line)

Smith, Root

Carey

England, bat

Australia win

Cheers PJ!

Smith, Harris, Cummins, Boland (Starc if no Boland).
Root, Stokes, Anderson, Robinson.

Stokes and Smith as the catchers.

Australia's wicketkeeper.

England win the toss and bowl.

Aussie win.

Thanks again.

(And Tino - try to go for something halfway realistic if you want to make up the points. Like a tied test.)

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Warner Labuschagne Cummins Hazlewood
Pope Root Woakes Robinson

Smith
Root

Carey

Australia win toss and bat

Aussie win


Cheers as ever PJ - good luck to all!

Changing this up slightly for the 2nd test PJ (seeing as it starts at 4am, no chance I will be awake for the start!)

Green Labuschagne Cummins Lyon
Stokes Root Broad Anderson

Smith
Root

Carey

Australia win toss and bat

Aussie win

If either Broad or Anderson don't play, I will have Robinson please.

Going nicely so far, will go for the following in this one PJ

Green, Smith, Cummins, Lyon (if Cummins isn't fit, will take Starc please)
Stokes, Root, Wood, Broad (if Broad or Wood don't play, will take Anderson)

Warner, Root

Carey

England win toss and bat

Australia win

Thanks again, Joey. You know most already!

Smith Labuschagne Cummins Starc (sub Richardson if one of the bowling gods is unavailable)
Malan Root Woakes Robinson (subs Broad, Wood in that order)

Smith
Root

Carey

England win toss and bat

Australia win.

Going to keep my powder dry until late as gawd knows who England will end up selecting...

But will probably go with Tino's mad idea and tip an England win ('cos that trick worked so well for me last time !) : at least win or lose it should make sure Tino doesn't overtake me

alfie wrote:Going to keep my powder dry until late as gawd knows who England will end up selecting...

But will probably go with Tino's mad idea and tip an England win ('cos that trick worked so well for me last time !) : at least win or lose it should make sure Tino doesn't overtake me

l*l.

They are exactly the sort of underhand tactics I can totally respect, alfie!