6 Nations Round 3 - England v Wales

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England v Wales

Twickers, London
Saturday 26th Feb 2022
Kick Off - 1645hrs

England team

Steward; Malins, Daly, Slade, Nowell; Smith, Randall; Genge, Cowan-Dickie, Sinckler, Ewels, Itoje, Lawes (Capt), Curry, Dombrandt.

Replacements: George, Marler, Stuart, Isiekwe, Simmonds, Youngs, Ford, Marchant.

Wales Team

L Williams; Cuthbert, Watkin, Tompkins, Adams; Biggar (capt), T Williams; W Jones, Elias, Francis, Rowlands, Beard, Moriarty, Basham, Faletau.

Replacements: Lake, G Thomas, Brown, S Davies, Morgan, Hardy, Anscombe, J Davies.

Told ya ...

What's Malins doing there.

Nice try by Wales.

All comes from another lineout going to pot.

Ewels has done some better stuff around the park but running the lineout is supposed to be his biggest strength.

One dumb mistake at set-piece turned a good attacking platform into a try for the opposition.

Just confused thinking by the coaches. Get Malins out. Get Slade out. And just replace them with a solid option. No one will convince me we wouldn't be doing better with Atkinson or Kelly or Ojomoh and Radwan or H-Cs .

Genge is a very fast prop eh.

Look at genge chasing....

Missing Curry so much. The breakdown has gone from England being overwhelmingly in the ascendancy to an absolute mess.

England seem determined to make this game closer than it should be

Who was offside?

Heaf wrote:Who was offside?

England.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Look at genge chasing....

Given it was nearly 60 minutes in too pretty impressive stuff . Couldnt imagine Vunipola or Cole having done that!

Another smash and grab coming. How do you feel?

The Welsh scroats fighting back

Oh I say, game back on.

Oh dear, Ben Youngs.

Curry going off has been huge.

Still puzzled about the offside called by the AR that led to that ...

England actually getting possession back from a box kick...must be the first time in about 3 years thats happened?

Gooseberry wrote:England actually getting possession back from a  box kick...must be the first time in about 3 years thats happened?

The shanked kick from youngs? But no we regained possession in the first half which you commented on.

Bad call, didn’t think Cuthbert was tackled which would make Nowell the tackler… or I could be wrong.

Adamson is not giving wales a chance to jackal here. You can’t reward Nowell there when he’s not on the ball and ignore some of ours.

The number of unforced errors England keep making is so frustrating.

That Nowell turnover saved England from potentially being under enormous pressure there. It would have been unnecessary pressure as well.

Really good kick from Smith.

If England close out the win it’s because they’ve been better at the breakdown, and at the kicking/aerial stuff. Wales can’t win under Pivac.

Smith landing these penalties is really a great sign not just for the game score but also showing his head under pressure at this level Makes Farrells case for auto inclusion weaker and weaker.

Steward very very good since that first fumble.

Genge has had a really great game but I find the late use of Marler really odd. Feels like a poor use of good depth when other sides are using the bench forwards for huge impact. Look at the French or Boks front row subs and how much influence they have coming on with 30 minutes left.

Gooseberry wrote:Smith landing these penalties is really a great sign not just for the game score but also showing his head under pressure at this level Makes Farrells case for auto inclusion weaker and weaker.

Until you see how badly Slade is doing at inside centre?

king_carlos wrote:Genge has had a really great game but I find the late use of Marler really odd. Feels like a poor use of good depth when other sides are using the bench forwards for huge impact. Look at the French or Boks front row subs and how much influence they have coming on with 30 minutes left.

Wanting to get more game time in general for him?

Solid game management from England since the second Welsh try.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Smith landing these penalties is really a great sign not just for the game score but also showing his head under pressure at this level Makes Farrells case for auto inclusion weaker and weaker.

Until you see how badly Slade is doing at inside centre?

Slade will be 13 until the world Cup.

In the summer tour I dxpdc5 Jones to trial the youngsters we've all mentioned at 12....unless Farrell is back

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:Genge has had a really great game but I find the late use of Marler really odd. Feels like a poor use of good depth when other sides are using the bench forwards for huge impact. Look at the French or Boks front row subs and how much influence they have coming on with 30 minutes left.

Wanting to get more game time in general for him?

Maybe... I just find it really strange.

Genge had a very good game though to be fair.

I very much like the development of this England pack.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Smith landing these penalties is really a great sign not just for the game score but also showing his head under pressure at this level Makes Farrells case for auto inclusion weaker and weaker.

Until you see how badly Slade is doing at inside centre?

Slade will be 13 until the world Cup.

In the summer tour I dxpdc5 Jones to trial the youngsters we've all mentioned....unless Farrell is back

Atkinson had a really nasty looking head knock against Tigers so might see Kelly or Ojomoh in the wider squad earlier than that.

This match hasn't really been a leadership showcase for England.

Missed knock on there ...

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Smith landing these penalties is really a great sign not just for the game score but also showing his head under pressure at this level Makes Farrells case for auto inclusion weaker and weaker.

Until you see how badly Slade is doing at inside centre?

Slade will be 13 until the world Cup.

In the summer tour I dxpdc5 Jones to trial the youngsters we've all mentioned at 12....unless Farrell is back

Yeah....farrell Tuilagi is I think still the preferred option at present. I really do think Ojomoh and Kelly will be pushing bu the AIs though. I'm coming around to playing both of them.

Bit harsh the physio is acting as a blocker in that move.

Rugby Fan wrote:This match hasn't really been a leadership showcase for England.

The breakdown since Curry went off has just been so much poorer than the first half. With Underhill and Ludlam also injured, Willis only just returned we are missing a lot of opensides if Curry misses the Ireland game.

The lineout is once again my biggest concern for the forwards though. Poor on our own throw and gives away penalties in defence.

England are really struggling to score tries this campaign. 7 after 3 games including a game v Italy isnt a great tally.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Smith landing these penalties is really a great sign not just for the game score but also showing his head under pressure at this level Makes Farrells case for auto inclusion weaker and weaker.

Until you see how badly Slade is doing at inside centre?

Slade will be 13 until the world Cup.

In the summer tour I dxpdc5 Jones to trial the youngsters we've all mentioned at 12....unless Farrell is back

Yeah....farrell Tuilagi is I think still the preferred option at present. I really do think Ojomoh and Kelly will be pushing bu the AIs though. I'm coming around to playing both of them.

Surely we have to forget about Manu now

It had to be Smith, he’s a brilliant little player.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Smith landing these penalties is really a great sign not just for the game score but also showing his head under pressure at this level Makes Farrells case for auto inclusion weaker and weaker.

Until you see how badly Slade is doing at inside centre?

Slade will be 13 until the world Cup.

In the summer tour I dxpdc5 Jones to trial the youngsters we've all mentioned at 12....unless Farrell is back

Yeah....farrell Tuilagi is I think still the preferred option at present. I really do think Ojomoh and Kelly will be pushing bu the AIs though. I'm coming around to playing both of them.

Surely we have to forget about Manu now

I agree. Until he's fot then pick him. He's world class

Itoje or Lawes would definitely have been my MOM.

Smith has kicked at goal well, especially in the second half, but I've actually felt we haven't converted the ball the backs have had in attack well at all.

Lawes was class today. I think id have gone Dombrandt.

Collapse2005 wrote:England are really struggling to score tries this campaign. 7 after 3 games including a game v Italy isnt a great tally.

Yeah and its not hard to see why when you look at the backs. Its not like they havent had territory and possession.

Second half Wales have been so much better ball in hand than England. 3-1 moral victors as it stands now

Better from Wales now, hopefully we can improve for next match.

Bad bad bad by Isiekwe.

Wales did well to get back onto this game, but the penalties have just killed them.

Missed knock-on has cost England - instead of a probably scrum pen and move up field Wales get a pen and go on to score ...

Wow this game