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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:34 am

First topic message reminder :

England v Ireland

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Saturday 12th March 2022
Kick Off - 1645hrs

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:33 pm

EnglishReign wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:They don't deserve the win

Only one team playing rugby in this game and its not England.

Do bore off. You lot never win when it actually matters.

Bore off yourself, neither do England.

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Post by EnglishReign Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
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Collapse2005 wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:They don't deserve the win

Only one team playing rugby in this game and its not England.
Lol.

Honestly it wouldnt have made any difference if England had 15 men you still play 10 man rugby all day long. 7 tries in 4 games is pathetic.

I remember my first Guinness

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:34 pm

Predictable drop off, had to happen.

Make no mistake, England will take much more out of this game going forward. 14 men England have comprehensively outplayed Ireland for 90% of the game. Ireland have been really poor I might add.

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Post by king_carlos Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:34 pm

king_carlos wrote:Can this thread, that's be largely discussion in good nature please not digress into infantile bickering for the final moments?

Apparently not. Terrific.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:35 pm

Lol. Laughable calling not straight after Ireland all game.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:36 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
EnglishReign wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:They don't deserve the win

Only one team playing rugby in this game and its not England.

Do bore off. You lot never win when it actually matters.

Bore off yourself, neither do England.

Really grown up lads.

Standby for going to the naughty step any more of it.

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Post by king_carlos Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:36 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Predictable drop off, had to happen.

Make no mistake, England will take much more out of this game going forward. 14 men England have comprehensively outplayed Ireland for 90% of the game. Ireland have been really poor I might add.

Also fluffed a few key moments again it must be said. Going to the corner and not converting. A few passages of being well on top without scoring.

Lots of good stuff to take from the fight with 14 men. I had Ireland as narrow favourites. Still a disappointing loss at home nonetheless.

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Post by Old Man Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:36 pm

Is this the end of Eddie?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:36 pm

Probably give Genge the potm from that. Phenom.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:37 pm

Old Man wrote:Is this the end of Eddie?
Why? Did you not watch, England were great.

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:37 pm

Ironic that the ref finally calls a not straight line-out - shame it was against England

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:37 pm

A 6 Nations classic?! What the hell has the commentator been smoking?

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Post by Geordie Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:37 pm

Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:38 pm

You take the points Ireland.....we'll take the moral victory! Smile

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Post by king_carlos Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:38 pm

Lowe very strong as well. Offered go forward all game.

Doris impressed me too.

Maro and Genge the pick for England IMO.

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Post by EnglishReign Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:38 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
EnglishReign wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:They don't deserve the win

Only one team playing rugby in this game and its not England.

Do bore off. You lot never win when it actually matters.

Bore off yourself, neither do England.

Really grown up lads.

Standby for going to the naughty step any more of it.

It’s passion, let time resolve it.

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:38 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:39 pm

Good win. Wasnt impressed with Smith, tactical kicking really poor. Ref kept England in it. Milking pens and playing for 3s wont win you many games.

Ireland need to tighten up a lot. Discipline needs to be better.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:39 pm

I expected more from Ireland, they were deserved favourites going into the game but only got over the line once England tired.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:40 pm

The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
I'd go with that

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Post by EnglishReign Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:40 pm

I have to say bar a few exceptions our backs offer little threat. I know we have injuries but is this a worry going forward?

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:41 pm

Well played Ireland. a well deserved win in the end. clap  clap  clap

But must give full credit to England for putting up a real big fight since that red card in the first few  minutes.

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Post by king_carlos Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:41 pm

Old Man wrote:Is this the end of Eddie?

If they lose to France, which seems likely, and England finish 4th or 5th again then there will certainly be a possibility.

When removing coaches the bigger question I always think is who replaces them? I don't see many standout candidates available at the moment as most high profile coaches try to coincide their contracts to run in RWC cycles for obvious reasons. I'd probably tend towards giving Eddie until 2023 then looking to a new setup. Shaun Edwards being involved must be a favourite there.

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Post by Unclear Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:42 pm

Any win at Twickenham is a good win, but by no means a good performance from Ireland. Good defence from England, but little attacking threat (possibly down to the red card). The final score flatters Ireland but good see them getting the bonus point, showed some (belated) cohesion.

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Post by Geordie Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:42 pm

The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!

Yes

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Post by Geordie Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:43 pm

Malins, Ewells and Youngs needs to be removed from the squad now....

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:44 pm

king_carlos wrote:
Old Man wrote:Is this the end of Eddie?

If they lose to France, which seems likely, and England finish 4th or 5th again then there will certainly be a possibility.

When removing coaches the bigger question I always think is who replaces them? I don't see many standout candidates available at the moment as most high profile coaches try to coincide their contracts to run in RWC cycles for obvious reasons. I'd probably tend towards giving Eddie until 2023 then looking to a new setup. Shaun Edwards being involved must be a favourite there.

I'd like to understand why we didn't get Shaun Edwards when he left Wales ...

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:44 pm

The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
Going down to 14 early seems to galvanised teams. I was worried as soon as it happened

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Post by king_carlos Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:46 pm

Heaf wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
Old Man wrote:Is this the end of Eddie?

If they lose to France, which seems likely, and England finish 4th or 5th again then there will certainly be a possibility.

When removing coaches the bigger question I always think is who replaces them? I don't see many standout candidates available at the moment as most high profile coaches try to coincide their contracts to run in RWC cycles for obvious reasons. I'd probably tend towards giving Eddie until 2023 then looking to a new setup. Shaun Edwards being involved must be a favourite there.

I'd like to understand why we didn't get Shaun Edwards when he left Wales ...

We had a defence coach in place and the defence under Mitchell was very good to be fair?

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:48 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Well played Ireland. a well deserved win in the end. clap  clap  clap

But must give full credit to England for putting up a real big fight since that red card in the first few  minutes.

Agreed

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Post by Heaf Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:49 pm

OK why didn't we get him before he went to Wales Very Happy

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:49 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Malins, Ewells and Youngs needs to be removed from the squad now....
Yup.

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Post by theslosty Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:52 pm

Good win for Ireland but the scrum and the prop positions are a big concern now. We could probably do with a heavier second row and there's a lack of props coming through behind the (excellent) Porter and Furlong.
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Post by theslosty Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:53 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
I'd go with that

17-point win away from home and were never behind.

4 tries to none.

Scraped.


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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:53 pm

I think 4th is Wales’ - they’ll finish on 11 points. England should at least get something in Paris. Wouldn’t it come down to points difference then? England are plus 17, Wales are minus 27.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:54 pm

theslosty wrote:Good win for Ireland butbthe scrum and the prop positions are a big concern now. We could probably do with a heavier second row and there's a lack of props coming through behind the (excellent) Porter and Furlong.

Im guessing it might be the 2nd row that is the bigger problem for scrums and it was also just one of those days. Scrum was fine v NZ and France for example.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:54 pm

theslosty wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
I'd go with that

17-point win away from home and were never behind.

4 tries to none.

Scraped.
Yup. Did you watch the game?

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:54 pm

theslosty wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
I'd go with that

17-point win away from home and were never behind.

4 tries to none.

Scraped.

Context is quite important.

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Post by theslosty Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:55 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
theslosty wrote:Good win for Ireland butbthe scrum and the prop positions are a big concern now. We could probably do with a heavier second row and there's a lack of props coming through behind the (excellent) Porter and Furlong.

Im guessing it might be the 2nd row that is the bigger problem for scrums and it was also just one of those days. Scrum was fine v NZ and France for example.

Well I take your point but the scrum wasn't fine against France, even vs Wales it was creaky.
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Post by Geordie Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:56 pm

theslosty wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
I'd go with that

17-point win away from home and were never behind.

4 tries to none.

Scraped.

Yup

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:57 pm

Dont remember it being too bad but will take your word for it

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Post by theslosty Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:00 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
theslosty wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
I'd go with that

17-point win away from home and were never behind.

4 tries to none.

Scraped.

Context is quite important.

I agree and who knows, perhaps 15vs15 England win that game. But calling it a scraped win is disrespectful to an Ireland team who showed their class in the end.
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Post by Geordie Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:07 pm

theslosty wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
theslosty wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Ireland outplayed , scrummed off the park but scrape a win when14 man England are knackered.  

They'll celebrate like they won the WC.

Scraped?!
I'd go with that

17-point win away from home and were never behind.

4 tries to none.

Scraped.

Context is quite important.

I agree and who knows, perhaps 15vs15 England win that game. But calling it a scraped win is disrespectful to an Ireland team who showed their class in the end.

They showed they were fitter than 14 men for 78 mins.

But your right. Well played.

Tad furlong is the best TH in the world..... laughing

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Post by king_carlos Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:11 pm

It's one game. Furlong is definitely still the best TH in the world for my money.

It's nice to see some mature, structured analysis and well natured discussion just after a tough game though. Many online forums would wander off down an alley of petty retorts and goading emojis for an hour until posters have calmed down. Not here though. Not here.

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Post by king_carlos Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:16 pm

Interesting that England changed tack with their lineout a bit. After Ewels going off, only having two strong jumpers instead of three they reverted to a more Borthwick-esque structure of taking riskier throws to areas they knew would be competed but trusting their drills to still retain the ball. Tempting the defensive lineout into competing is a risk but also makes it harder to defend the maul if the attacking side retain clean ball.

Matfield used to be king at it. He'd call it, "action beats reaction". Everyone knew that 9 times out of 10 Smit was throwing to Matfield with Os lifting at the front and Botha lifting behind. Trying beat their drill was another thing entirely to knowing where it was going though.

It's a style of lineout I much prefer England employing but they haven't used it as much since Borthwick and then Kruis moved out of the setup.


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Post by westisbest Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:16 pm

Score line definitely flatters us I thought.
Certainly didn’t see that score line with 10 to go.
Great from England with the man down to push us all the way.
Ireland were poor today in large parts of the game.  
So many silly penalties, but credit to England.
From an Irish point of view, got to mention Keenan. Under the high ball he is immense.

Ireland need to cut out those mistakes for Scotland and am sure we will, (hopefully) anyway.

As for England. They can go to Paris with their heads held high and can give the French a game.

Good luck to them.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:20 pm

king_carlos wrote:Interesting that England changed tack with their lineout a bit. After Ewels going off, only having two strong jumpers instead of three they reverted to a more Borthwick-esque structure of taking riskier throws to areas they knew would be competed but trusting their drills to still retain the ball. Tempting the defensive lineout into competing is a risk but also makes it harder to defend the maul if the attacking side retain clean ball.

Matfield used to be king at it. He'd call it, "action beats reaction". Everyone knew that 9 times out of 10 Smit was throwing to Matfield with Os lifting at the front and Botha lifting behind. Trying beat their drill was another thing entirely to knowing where it was going though.

It's a style of lineout I much prefer England employing but they haven't used it as much since Borthwick and then Kruis moved out of the setup.
Utterly superb reaction by England in all facets. They get a kicking for not having a plan b or leadership. But here...my oh my.

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Post by Geordie Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:26 pm

king_carlos wrote:It's one game. Furlong is definitely still the best TH in the world for my money.

It's nice to see some mature, structured analysis and well natured discussion just after a tough game though. Many online forums would wander off down an alley of petty retorts and goading emojis for an hour until posters have calmed down. Not here though. Not here.
I'm sure Genge will agree as he had to get him out of his pocket for each scrum....

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Post by Northgrill Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:32 pm

Great reaction from our boys after the (unfortunately deserved) red card. Genge played the referee well today although with another ref he might have been pinged for boring in but that’s the game. You play what’s in front of you.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:36 pm

So England's chance of the 6ms title as gone.

Ireland though still have a chance if they beat Scotland next week.

It is now up to England to stop France getting the Grand Slam. Thing is can they?

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