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France

France: Jaminet; Penaud, Fickou, Danty, Villiere; Ntamack, Dupont (capt); Baille, Marchand, Atonio, Woki, Willemse, Cros, Alldritt, Jelonch.

Replacements: Mauvaka, Gros, Haouas, Flament, Taofifenua, Cretin, Lucu, Ramos.

vs England

15. George Furbank

14. Freddie Steward

13. Joe Marchant

12. Henry Slade

11. Jack Nowell

10. Marcus Smith

9. Ben Youngs

1. Ellis Genge

2. Jamie George

3. Will Stuart

4. Maro Itoje

5. Nick Isiekwe

6. Courtney Lawes

7. Sam Underhill

8. Sam Simmonds

Finishers

16. Nic Dolly (Leicester Tigers, 1 cap)

17. Joe Marler

18. Kyle Sinckler

19. Ollie Chessum

20. Alex Dombrandt

21. Harry Randall

22. George Ford

23. Elliot Daly

Kick-off: 8:00pm

Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)

Assistant Referee 1: Mike Adamson (SRU)

Assistant Referee 2: Frank Murphy (IRFU)

TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

nathan wrote:Anyway, thought steward, Lawes, Genge played well.

Would be interesting to see Genges meters made in the end.

Marchant very good too.

Underhill good considering he's just back as well.

Stuart carried well early but faded fast IMO.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ps at least Ireland didnt win

Silver linings, England also scored a try. Not all doom and gloom.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Edit

You didn't put the best show in after the Ireland game last week GF mate!

I was drunk and dont like the Irish....

You must've edited just as I hit quote as I didn't even notice the change!! Apologies GF.

Lol, SCW and Willko. Ouch. That punditry team is possibly the worst I've ever seen.

king_carlos wrote:

nathan wrote:Anyway, thought steward, Lawes, Genge played well.

Would be interesting to see Genges meters made in the end.

Marchant very good too.

Underhill good considering he's just back as well.

Stuart carried well early but faded fast IMO.

I honestly think Stusrt has much more to offer than Sinckler.....he just needs someone to work with him...

Underhill was good.

Isiekwe was good but I'm not sure he'll be in the summer squad...Chissum gas much higher ceiling....

king_carlos wrote:

nathan wrote:Anyway, thought steward, Lawes, Genge played well.

Would be interesting to see Genges meters made in the end.

Marchant very good too.

Underhill good considering he's just back as well.

Stuart carried well early but faded fast IMO.

Think France were smarter at playing the ref, they were slow to roll away meaning our players had to jump over them to get to the ruck. We should be seeing that and doing the same, put far too much effort into getting away quickly.

king_carlos wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Edit

You didn't put the best show in after the Ireland game last week GF mate!

I was drunk and dont like the Irish....

You must've edited just as I hit quote as I didn't even notice the change!! Apologies GF.

Not required...I didnt like last weeks loss

Trouble is nathan you're assuming the ref would be consistent and not just ping us ...

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ps at least Ireland didnt win

Silver linings, England also scored a try. Not all doom and gloom.

IIRC only the second try from an English back this tournament. 

The attack set up has been woeful all tournament, a little better today but Gleeson must be starting to sweat as he's come in and added nothing.

Subs came on quite late today, they gave us some impetus but it felt like it was to late. Youngs on to the 60 something minute is way to long and why only five minutes for Ford when Smith was poor. Thankfully Smith to fullback looked quite good and got rid of Furbank who's cameo reminded everyone why he doesn't normally get selected but that should have happened 15 mins earlier.

Even with his dipped form Sinckler is a long way ahead of Stuart IMO. At their respective best they're incomparable.

Chessum has looked very comfortable in his cameos to be fair. A cracking talent.

I'd take Itoje, Hill, Launchbury and Chessum as locks to Australia I think.

king_carlos wrote:Even with his dipped form Sinckler is a long way ahead of Stuart IMO. At their respective best they're incomparable.

Chessum has looked very comfortable in his cameos to be fair. A cracking talent.

I'd take Itoje, Hill, Launchbury and Chessum as locks to Australia I think.

I'd be tempted to give Itoje the summer off. Brutal Lions tour and then virtual ever present for club and country this season. Give him the summer off and take him into next season fully fit. I'd suggest the same with Curry as well. They are our two world class options and I don't think we learn anything new from taking them but potentially gain by giving them a full pre season.

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ps at least Ireland didnt win

Silver linings, England also scored a try. Not all doom and gloom.

England supposedly awful....
Yet
England only just to lose to France in ParIs
Only just lose to Ireland despite being down to 14 for 78 mins

Without a 12, an out an out winger, a dominant Tight head lock forward...efc

So yes not all doom and gloom....

Genge has been excellent. As had Marler. Huge step up from Vunipola being there geordie.

king_carlos wrote:Even with his dipped form Sinckler is a long way ahead of Stuart IMO. At their respective best they're incomparable.

Chessum has looked very comfortable in his cameos to be fair. A cracking talent.

I'd take Itoje, Hill, Launchbury and Chessum as locks to Australia I think.

I know I'm probably the exception but I just dont see it. Hes not a patch on Mako in the loose (few are to be fair) and in the tight he doesn't dominate,

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ps at least Ireland didnt win

Silver linings, England also scored a try. Not all doom and gloom.

England supposedly awful....
Yet
England only just to lose to France in ParIs
Only just lose to Ireland despite being down to 14 for 78 mins

Without a 12, an out an out winger, a dominant Tight head lock forward...efc

So yes not all doom and gloom....

Only just beat Wales too

No 7&1/2 wrote:Genge has been excellent.  As had Marler. Huge step up from Vunipola being there geordie.

Genge is showing up now very well...but it's taken time.

Marler isn't showing up alround as he did a few years back...and Mako was fantastic away from the actual scrums...which he just about held his own...

The Oracle wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ps at least Ireland didnt win

Silver linings, England also scored a try. Not all doom and gloom.

England supposedly awful....
Yet
England only just to lose to France in ParIs
Only just lose to Ireland despite being down to 14 for 78 mins

Without a 12, an out an out winger, a dominant Tight head lock forward...efc

So yes not all doom and gloom....

Only just beat Wales too

I know...that was a poor performance to be fair

Some players do take their time, it's normally evident when they're good enough and genge always showed that promise. Tbf we now know a few more players are good enough, Dombrandt, simmonds for cover, Chessums cameos have looked great. Smith Randall Steward all showed they should be in the squad. Jones really needs to pull the trigger on a few more guys now though. Or he's literally waiting for farrell tuilagi May and Watson to return. Which would be nice but I'd prefer not to just have place holders.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ps at least Ireland didnt win

Silver linings, England also scored a try. Not all doom and gloom.

IIRC only the second try from an English back this tournament. 

The attack set up has been woeful all tournament, a little better today but Gleeson must be starting to sweat as he's come in and added nothing.

Subs came on quite late today, they gave us some impetus but it felt like it was to late. Youngs on to the 60 something minute is way to long and why only five minutes for Ford when Smith was poor. Thankfully Smith to fullback looked quite good and got rid of Furbank who's cameo reminded everyone why he doesn't normally get selected but that should have happened 15 mins earlier.

Think Smith scored also two tries and Daly got one. Jones down to about a 65% win rate in the 6N.

Some good points here, but the balance of when to deploy subs is very tricky. Putting Ford on with 3  minutes is a joke. No chance of any sub making an impact at that point. Either make your subs a bit earlier or not at all. And when you have world class subs don't be afraid to use them. Genge was overly applauded against Ireland and then struggled a bit tonight...no problem just get Marler on in good time. It is a squad of 23 after all. Marler should have played many more minutes in this 6Ns.
Great spirit from the lads, but overall not remotely good enough. Daly a complete joke yet again and quite frankly a change of coaching or approach for the backs required.
Not good enough.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Some players do take their time, it's normally evident when they're good enough and genge always showed that promise. Tbf we now know a few more players are good enough, Dombrandt, simmonds for cover, Chessums cameos have looked great. Smith Randall Steward all showed they should be in the squad. Jones really needs to pull the trigger on a few more guys now though. Or he's literally waiting for farrell tuilagi May and Watson to return. Which would be nice but I'd prefer not to just have place holders.

Quite a few players have shown up thIs 6n....

Genge has played great and become a leader....
Steward first choice 15...
Chessum can be a real quality lock forward...
Dombrandt has shown he has more than just the running ability...hes tough and done alot of the dark arts stuff...
Simmonds has shown up well...
Marchant is a better 13 than Slade
Jamie George back to his best is light years ahead of all our other hookers...


We're missing
Wingers
A 12
A beast heavy duty lock forward...

A good physio to keep players fit

Not sure it'll bother him too much beyond not winning the tournament.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Genge has been excellent.  As had Marler. Huge step up from Vunipola being there geordie.

Genge is showing up now very well...but it's taken time.

Marler isn't showing up alround as he did a few years back...and Mako was fantastic away from the actual scrums...which he just about held his own...

Total Love sacks...Marler has not remotely been given the game time to make an impact. Genge looks quality but we need to deploy Marler far earlier as he is world class as well.

18 months out from the RWC. If you were the big cheese what would be your call? Back EJ or try and find a replacement?

hugehandoff wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Genge has been excellent.  As had Marler. Huge step up from Vunipola being there geordie.

Genge is showing up now very well...but it's taken time.

Marler isn't showing up alround as he did a few years back...and Mako was fantastic away from the actual scrums...which he just about held his own...

Total Love sacks...Marler has not remotely been given the game time to make an impact. Genge looks quality but we need to deploy Marler far earlier as he is world class as well.

Is it love sacks though?

I watched him when he played for Quins v falcons up here a few months back and he wasnt the same player that people still think he is. Ironically Mako is playing brilliantly for Sarries...

Genge has made that 1 spot his own...

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Some players do take their time, it's normally evident when they're good enough and genge always showed that promise. Tbf we now know a few more players are good enough, Dombrandt, simmonds for cover, Chessums cameos have looked great. Smith Randall Steward all showed they should be in the squad. Jones really needs to pull the trigger on a few more guys now though. Or he's literally waiting for farrell tuilagi May and Watson to return. Which would be nice but I'd prefer not to just have place holders.

Quite a few players have shown up thIs 6n....

Genge has played great and become a leader....
Steward first choice 15...
Chessum can be a real quality lock forward...
Dombrandt has shown he has more than just the running ability...hes tough and done alot of the dark arts stuff...
Simmonds has shown up well...
Marchant is a better 13 than Slade
Jamie George back to his best is light years ahead of all our other hookers...


We're missing
Wingers
A 12
A beast heavy duty lock forward...

A good physio to keep players fit

The annoying thing it we have all of those bar your mythical beast. I just can't get my head around not giving Kelly Ojomoh Hassell-Collins radwan lynagh Mitchell a run. They're all better than the guys who played. Even if we'd lost games we'd still have been better set as of now that picking all experience and bits and pieces players.  I understand why the decisions were made but they just didn't strike me as clever and they haven't turned out that way.

hugehandoff wrote:18 months out from the RWC. If you were the big cheese what would be your call? Back EJ or try and find a replacement?

Back him but tell him to stop f$%ing about snd get serious....

England should give Pat Lam a call, he would do a much better job than EJ.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Some players do take their time, it's normally evident when they're good enough and genge always showed that promise. Tbf we now know a few more players are good enough, Dombrandt, simmonds for cover, Chessums cameos have looked great. Smith Randall Steward all showed they should be in the squad. Jones really needs to pull the trigger on a few more guys now though. Or he's literally waiting for farrell tuilagi May and Watson to return. Which would be nice but I'd prefer not to just have place holders.

Quite a few players have shown up thIs 6n....

Genge has played great and become a leader....
Steward first choice 15...
Chessum can be a real quality lock forward...
Dombrandt has shown he has more than just the running ability...hes tough and done alot of the dark arts stuff...
Simmonds has shown up well...
Marchant is a better 13 than Slade
Jamie George back to his best is light years ahead of all our other hookers...


We're missing
Wingers
A 12
A beast heavy duty lock forward...

A good physio to keep players fit

The annoying thing it we have all of those bar your mythical beast. I just can't get my head around not giving Kelly Ojomoh Hassell-Collins radwan lynagh Mitchell a run. They're all better than the guys who played. Even if we'd lost games we'd still have been better set as of now that picking all experience and bits and pieces players.  I understand why the decisions were made but they just didn't strike me as clever and they haven't turned out that way.

I know...I dont think the beast exists...


I gave no idea why Hassle Collins was not trusted wwith a decent run out..or Radwan.

But Tigers and Bath fans have said they wouldn't have played Kelly snd Ojomoh judge yet....

Hopefully those two play on the Summer

Collapse2005 wrote:England should give Pat Lam a call, he would do a much better job than EJ.

Yes cos Bristol are doing great

Collapse2005 wrote:England should give Pat Lam a call, he would do a much better job than EJ.

Ps theres always Farrell but then how easy is it to basically pick and train the leinster team...

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Some players do take their time, it's normally evident when they're good enough and genge always showed that promise. Tbf we now know a few more players are good enough, Dombrandt, simmonds for cover, Chessums cameos have looked great. Smith Randall Steward all showed they should be in the squad. Jones really needs to pull the trigger on a few more guys now though. Or he's literally waiting for farrell tuilagi May and Watson to return. Which would be nice but I'd prefer not to just have place holders.

Quite a few players have shown up thIs 6n....

Genge has played great and become a leader....
Steward first choice 15...
Chessum can be a real quality lock forward...
Dombrandt has shown he has more than just the running ability...hes tough and done alot of the dark arts stuff...
Simmonds has shown up well...
Marchant is a better 13 than Slade
Jamie George back to his best is light years ahead of all our other hookers...


We're missing
Wingers
A 12
A beast heavy duty lock forward...

A good physio to keep players fit

The annoying thing it we have all of those bar your mythical beast. I just can't get my head around not giving Kelly Ojomoh Hassell-Collins radwan lynagh Mitchell a run. They're all better than the guys who played. Even if we'd lost games we'd still have been better set as of now that picking all experience and bits and pieces players.  I understand why the decisions were made but they just didn't strike me as clever and they haven't turned out that way.

I know...I dont think the beast exists...


I gave no idea why Hassle Collins was not trusted wwith a decent run out..or Radwan.

But Tigers and Bath fans have said they wouldn't have played Kelly snd Ojomoh judge yet....

Hopefully those two play on the Summer

I've watched Slade be pants for 5 games though. I could have watched either not be quite there but gain valuable experience.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:England should give Pat Lam a call, he would do a much better job than EJ.

Ps theres always Farrell but then how easy is it to basically pick and train the leinster team...

Not sure I'd want Farrell tbh. He may be on the list for the rfu though.
Probably one of the July things I agree with Dallaglio on is that Edwards should be being courted.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Some players do take their time, it's normally evident when they're good enough and genge always showed that promise. Tbf we now know a few more players are good enough, Dombrandt, simmonds for cover, Chessums cameos have looked great. Smith Randall Steward all showed they should be in the squad. Jones really needs to pull the trigger on a few more guys now though. Or he's literally waiting for farrell tuilagi May and Watson to return. Which would be nice but I'd prefer not to just have place holders.

Quite a few players have shown up thIs 6n....

Genge has played great and become a leader....
Steward first choice 15...
Chessum can be a real quality lock forward...
Dombrandt has shown he has more than just the running ability...hes tough and done alot of the dark arts stuff...
Simmonds has shown up well...
Marchant is a better 13 than Slade
Jamie George back to his best is light years ahead of all our other hookers...


We're missing
Wingers
A 12
A beast heavy duty lock forward...

A good physio to keep players fit

The annoying thing it we have all of those bar your mythical beast. I just can't get my head around not giving Kelly Ojomoh Hassell-Collins radwan lynagh Mitchell a run. They're all better than the guys who played. Even if we'd lost games we'd still have been better set as of now that picking all experience and bits and pieces players.  I understand why the decisions were made but they just didn't strike me as clever and they haven't turned out that way.

I know...I dont think the beast exists...


I gave no idea why Hassle Collins was not trusted wwith a decent run out..or Radwan.

But Tigers and Bath fans have said they wouldn't have played Kelly snd Ojomoh judge yet....

Hopefully those two play on the Summer

I've watched Slade be pants for 5 games though. I could have watched either not be quite there but gain valuable experience.

I dont think Slade is pants...I can see what Jones i looking for from him but its just too inconsistent...and hes not helped not having legit wingers and a 12 around him...

Hopefully Marchant can show consistency and one of Kelly or Ojomoh can work well with him in Australia

Well there are a few players from that squad I would not want to see in the summer tour.

Daly; Ford; Youngs; Slade.

Players who did really well and deserve to stay in the squad: Genge, George, Dombrandt, Simmonds, Underhill, Itoje, Marler, Marchant.

Tired-looking & might benefit from a summer off (or injured): Lawes; Tuilagi, Nowell.

Those who joined up as youngsters this past year and deserve to stay: Randall, Smith, Steward.

Some I would like to see on the summer tour: Radwan, Cokanasiga, Lynagh, Kelly, Ojomoh, Quirke, Mitchell, Hassel-Collins, Heyes - maybe even Umaga. Not all will make it back as regulars - but some will.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:England should give Pat Lam a call, he would do a much better job than EJ.

Ps theres always Farrell but then how easy is it to basically pick and train the leinster team...

Not sure I'd want Farrell tbh. He may be on the list for the rfu though.
Probably one of the July things I agree with Dallaglio on is that Edwards should be being courted.

Yeah Farrell's a no from me aswell.

Would Edwards come though....

GeordieFalcon wrote:

hugehandoff wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Genge has been excellent.  As had Marler. Huge step up from Vunipola being there geordie.

Genge is showing up now very well...but it's taken time.

Marler isn't showing up alround as he did a few years back...and Mako was fantastic away from the actual scrums...which he just about held his own...

Total Love sacks...Marler has not remotely been given the game time to make an impact. Genge looks quality but we need to deploy Marler far earlier as he is world class as well.

Is it love sacks though?

I watched him when he played for Quins v falcons up here a few months back and he wasnt the same player that people still think he is. Ironically Mako is playing brilliantly for Sarries...

Genge has made that 1 spot his own...

Genge has played brilliantly and deserves to be no.1 but Marler is also brilliant and should be on for 25 minutes. England would be stronger as we we have 2 world class loose heads so use them both!

Eddie gets it all wrong in his whole plan to deliver to the RWC only. It totally underestimates the 6Ns and I also think is a foolish approach. Integrate 1 or 2 new players into a winning side and make it your main goal to win this year ( and not next). The RFU will conduct another complete whitewash (un pc description) review and allow him to continue on our path to complete RWC 2023 failure, which is a massive shame for all of us. His time is up.

I personally don't think there's anything in the 'saving tactics for the RWC' stuff. Coaches and players want to win. It keeps them in the job, keeps the pressure elsewhere so they can pick who they like and play the tactics they believe in. Jones and this England side are no different.

If a team wins playing stodge it will rarely be mentioned outside of fans and pundits from the team most recently beaten. If a team is losing everything gets scrutinised and torn apart. Selection, tactics, coaches, the lot.

Truth is that through a mix of injuries, players aging out, covid and in my opinion some of the upcoming generation so far being nowhere near the previous at their best this team has been largely very poor for two Six Nations whilst trying to win. Not poor whilst trying to transition or build for the RWC.

Dombrandt and Simmonds are good examples I think. I rate both players, think they've been good in parts and Dombrandt could be very good indeed. I don't think either looked like scratching what Billy offered at his best during this Six Nations though. Not saying recall Billy as I don't think he's that player anymore - though his form has been gradually improving beyond where I've seen him in about 3 years but that's a different point! I also think Dombrandt is the right player to invest in at 8 currently. I just don't think he's nearly as good as the Billy was when England were a much better side. In time he might be but he isn't below that level because England are saving anything for 2023, he's simply just below where peak Billy was.

Similar with the likes of Ewels, Isiekwe and even Hill (though the best of the lot there) replacing Kruis. Or Stuart replacing Cole from those sides. I'm just struggling to see it in important positions currently.

Contrary to many the backs concern me less. I think Farrell, Watson and May improve that backline immeasurably and fit in very well. Marchant just put in two good performances at 13. Cokanasiga is back and can offer something completely different out wide. Then there will be fleeting Manu appearances. With Steward's emergence in a problem position at 15 I think the backs could come together well as players return.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:England should give Pat Lam a call, he would do a much better job than EJ.

Ps theres always Farrell but then how easy is it to basically pick and train the leinster team...

Or the Saracens team when EJ was a successful coach. Maybe Mark McCall is they guy they need.

McCall has just returned with Sarries after a break due to medical reasons so I'd wonder whether he'd want the stress of an international head coach job currently. Good coach who would be up there on my wish list if Eddie did move on early or for 2024 onwards if he doesn't.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

nathan wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

Examples of one as poor as that which handed the opposition a try?

It's possible to rate Smith and notice he had an abject game.

Don't be silly, it's still Fords fault we don't have an attack even with Smith at 10.

Here come the Leicester fans.

I didn't watch the game due to the time difference, so I'm just reading back on the comments.

You could pick most of the Tigers fans out without any trouble at all.....they are the most biased/one eyed supporters I've ever seen, it's very impressive.

The constant digging at Smith (6N top points scorer in his first champ I might add) and then Randall........how dare these two imposters take the starting spot two Leicester players!

I'm not suggesting it's every poster, but as a club you do have some sort of major defence mechanism were you constantly defend your players to the death.

All in good craic though, it was was quite hilarious reading back...you can almost predict the next post.

It would certainly be less fun on here without a few one eyed Tigers fans, every board needs them.....thankfully 7.5 provides some balance

Eddie Jones: England head coach says he has 'not done a good enough job'
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Six Nations 2022: France beat England to complete Grand Slam - highlights
Eddie Jones said his performance as head coach has not been good enough after England finished third in the Six Nations with defeat by France in Paris.

France were crowned Grand Slam winners with their first title since 2010 after outclassing England 25-13.

England only won two matches for the second successive season, raising questions over Jones' future.

"That is not a question I need to answer. I just do my job. It's a question for other people," Jones said.

Does Eddie Jones still have a future with England up to the RWC?
He at least admits he did not do a good enough job. does that give some time to put it right?

I think Jones will stay till the WC but he'll be told stop messing around and start getting it right.

But then...Jones is in his territory now...World Cup build up...summer tour, Ais, 6n...WC...

France deserved Grand Slam. Best team won it no question.

England though ironically had their two best games in losses to Ireland and France.
In fairness to Jones his bizarre selections for yesterday almost worked! Steward was excellent on wing and Furbank pretty decent at 15. Good scoccer skills as well.
Youngs miles off pace as we knew he would be. GOT to go surely. Daly did alright just about but time up as well.
Marchant excellent, Will Stuart showed for second week he's actually an Int player. Simmonds again good, as were Underhill, Dombrandt and of course Itoje.
Slade though, he's one of Jones undroppables but he's no 12.

So, despite loss I'm not totally disheartened. Could have been a thumping but England deserved to be in it.

mountain man wrote:France deserved Grand Slam. Best team won it no question.

England though ironically had their two best games in losses to Ireland and France.
In fairness to Jones his bizarre selections for yesterday almost worked! Steward was excellent on wing and Furbank pretty decent at 15. Good scoccer skills as well.
Youngs miles off pace as we knew he would be. GOT to go surely. Daly did alright just about but time up as well.
Marchant excellent, Will Stuart showed for second week he's actually an Int player. Simmonds again good, as were Underhill, Dombrandt and of course Itoje.
Slade though, he's one of Jones undroppables but he's no 12.

So, despite loss I'm not totally disheartened. Could have been a thumping but England deserved to be in it.

Furbank was really average to poor imo. Didn't look comfortable at all under any high ball hence the first kick. Catching the ball in touch alone should end his England career. Steward competed well for the high ball finished his try well but he's not fast enough for a winger. 

Are you SD on BBC?

Furbank wasn't great but he was decent I thought. Not my choice as I said pre match but given team picked he acquitted himself OK.
Steward not got wing pace as again I've said before but he played really well yesterday.
I take it you are The Academy.

I'll stop having the same conversation twice then.

At least it shows we're not trolling on different sites like some do but give same opinion!

Another tournament, another poor performance. Missing several players again, is Jones right with his you only get the world cup to have your first choice team? Not if you look at France and Ireland.

Under Jones we have won 3 out of 7 six nations. Not too bad. Only lost 1 autumn international, which was by a point to New Zealand, and have won 4 out of 6 summer tour matches against the big 3 southern hemisphere teams. Some stats are good, especially compared to Robinson, Johnson and Lancaster.

However it looked like a lot of England players didn't want to be there yesterday in the first half. Isiekwe, Simmonds, Slade, Furbank, Youngs - not good enough in my opinion. Itoje apart from the Ireland game has looked average all tournament. Underhill was the only one trying and showed what England were missing. I cant wait to see him back with Curry, with a proper no. 8 though.

The main thing for me at the minute is the attitude. England do not look like they are enjoying it, and the player selection is very inconsistent. Everyone else is building a team, not sure we are.