England post 2022 6Ns, Aus tour and beyond

by formerly known as Sam Thu 30 Jun - 9:22

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sensisball wrote:
With Bath enduring a terrible season how many tries has Cokonasiga scored?

In five starts and four sub appearances he's bagged five tries. One appearance and one try for England.

It's a bench lacking experience but it's the type of players we'd like to have as options come the world cup.

Ignore the front row that pretty much picked itself.

Chessum - covers lock and 6 highly mobile and physical, good lineout option and we've been desperate for a young lock to come through.

Ludlam - covers 8 and 7 which is what the bench needs, club captain so adds much needed leadership here.

JVP - no one likes the current 9 options for last season's Under 20 captain and player of the J6N gets a chance. Best kicking game of the three 9s on tour and likes to play high tempo.

Porter - covers every position in the backs outside of 9 and 10, could probably do a job on the flank as well. Eddie likes a versatility option as they very much help the overall squad come world cup so audition time for Guy.

Arundell - exciting young player, not ready yet but Eddie will be hoping some international game time might speed up his development. Unlikely starter but potential game changer off the bench, always handy to have one of those at a world cup. Porter's inclusion means Arundell won't have to go in early unless there's multiple injuries.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 11:42

doctor_grey wrote:
RDW wrote:This could get messy! Looks like a vintage England performance where they look like world beaters.
long
way
to
go

Don't think the Wallabies are close to competing in a single metric of the game - England should romp home if they keep this up.

Wallabies look lost!

by king_carlos Sat 9 Jul - 11:43

lostinwales wrote:
king_carlos wrote:One hand, very unlikely to catch it, clearly stopping the ball getting to the outside man. Don't think there's much to complain about in that.

Not got Sky so not watching it, but did it stray into penalty try territory?

Clear cover from Australia defence so definitely not a pen try but clear penalty and if you go one handed, basically no chance of catching it, near the line these days it's always a yellow.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 11:44

England messing up clear scoring opportunities. Too frantic.

by king_carlos Sat 9 Jul - 11:45

Nowell's got to cut in there. Just too easy to tackle him into touch. His defence is still fantastic but not quite the same impact ball in hand these days.

Being very critical Freeman was on George's outside but it's a tough pass to expect a hooker to throw in that situation!

by **Galted** Sat 9 Jul - 11:46

lostinwales wrote:
king_carlos wrote:One hand, very unlikely to catch it, clearly stopping the ball getting to the outside man. Don't think there's much to complain about in that.

Not got Sky so not watching it, but did it stray into penalty try territory?

Potentially but the England receiving player was a bit flat-footed so good chance the cover would've got across.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 11:47

Penalty count grim reading for the wallabies

by king_carlos Sat 9 Jul - 11:47

England have three very good lineout jumpers but still so inconsistent on their own ball. Very frustrating aspect of England's game recently. With Proudfoot and Cockers both involved they're hardly short of coaching in that area either.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 11:48

Why are England taking the points here and not kicking to the corner? After all. the lineout is mostly working and the mauls have been great.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 11:48

Lots of complaints from England fans on here - you'd think you weren't 19-0 up after 32 minutes!

by formerly known as Sam Sat 9 Jul - 11:50

Galted wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
king_carlos wrote:One hand, very unlikely to catch it, clearly stopping the ball getting to the outside man. Don't think there's much to complain about in that.

Not got Sky so not watching it, but did it stray into penalty try territory?

Potentially but the England receiving player was a bit flat-footed so good chance the cover would've got across.

Not sure there was much cover but he was quite a way out. Couldn't definitively say he'd make it so it would have been a tough call.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 11:51

RDW wrote:Lots of complaints from England fans on here - you'd think you weren't 19-0 up after 32 minutes!

I are be an adult.

It's my party and I will cry if I want to.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 11:51

Wallabies desperately need a try before HT to give them something to work on. They've had almost literally nothing

by Duty281 Sat 9 Jul - 11:53

First real attack for Australia and they get a try. Keeps them in it. A good demonstration of their power if they get front-foot ball.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 11:53

RDW wrote:Wallabies desperately need a try before HT to give them something to work on. They've had almost literally nothing

you were sayin?

by formerly known as Sam Sat 9 Jul - 11:53

RDW wrote:Wallabies desperately need a try before HT to give them something to work on. They've had almost literally nothing

Assisted by Brace with that ridiculous scrum penalty call but England's defence never go set we were all at sea from the first Aussie carry.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 11:55

You literally need a brick wall to stop Tupou from 5m out

by formerly known as Sam Sat 9 Jul - 11:56

Itoje out cold straight after the try, double blow in quick succession for England.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 11:58

Huge opportunity for Cheesum. Will he take it? Changes the complexion of the rest of the match.

by Duty281 Sat 9 Jul - 11:59

12 point lead doesn't quite do justice to England's dominance. If Australia get the first try of the second half it's game on. Losing Itoje could be a turning point.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:00

Utter dominance from England - the only negative is they weren't further ahead. Still plenty rugby to go but it would be a remarkably result if England lose from here. Wallabies try a glimmer of hope but a long way back.

by **Galted** Sat 9 Jul - 12:01

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Galted wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
king_carlos wrote:One hand, very unlikely to catch it, clearly stopping the ball getting to the outside man. Don't think there's much to complain about in that.

Not got Sky so not watching it, but did it stray into penalty try territory?

Potentially but the England receiving player was a bit flat-footed so good chance the cover would've got across.

Not sure there was much cover but he was quite a way out. Couldn't definitively say he'd make it so it would have been a tough call.

I stand by what I said and it is a hill upon which I'm prepared to die.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 9 Jul - 12:03

doctor_grey wrote:Huge opportunity for Cheesum. Will he take it? Changes the complexion of the rest of the match.

It does mean the rest of the England pack need to up the contest at the breakdown. Chessum isn't bad at spoiling mauls so he can take on that role. I wonder if we'll see the backrow replacement's quite early to give us more breakdown presence early on the second half.

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:04

Much better from England, kind of like the first half last week except we kept taking points.

Score definitely flatters the Wallabies. I'm a bit worried that we won't come out for the second half again and/or Brace will turn on us.

Listening to Harrison try to argue that the yellow card was the same as Hill's knock on was laughable.

Have we got a big enough lead? Can we keep up the intensity? Eddie needs to mange the substitutions well. Feels like a big second half for England, we need it more than them.

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:07

I'm guessing it is part of a game plan, but I really wish Smith would stop kicking the ball needlessly when we are attacking their 22.

by **Galted** Sat 9 Jul - 12:08

Will Greenwood's reading's coming along nicely.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 12:12

formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Huge opportunity for Cheesum. Will he take it? Changes the complexion of the rest of the match.

It does mean the rest of the England pack need to up the contest at the breakdown. Chessum isn't bad at spoiling mauls so he can take on that role. I wonder if we'll see the backrow replacement's quite early to give us more breakdown presence early on the second half.

I was thinking the same thing.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:15

Watched the Genge incident again - definitely a yellow. If a deliberate, off the ball forearm to a prone player on the ground is a pen only, and trying to intercept is a yellow there's something really wrong with the laws. Worth remembering straight after that incident he got a scrum pen which then led to an England try.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 12:16

Oh, this looks bad.

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:17

Bad start for the Aussies, they've been really unlucky with the injuries in this series. Poor bloke.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 12:18

When the showed the replay the first time, I thought I felt my ACL go. Real shame.

by Duty281 Sat 9 Jul - 12:19

Strange how it's England's ball from that. Considered he was injured upon landing I would have given Aussie the scrum. Horrible injury.

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:20

Duty281 wrote:Strange how it's England's ball from that. Considered he was injured upon landing I would have given Aussie the scrum. Horrible injury.

I thought that too.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 12:21

Cumbrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Strange how it's England's ball from that. Considered he was injured upon landing I would have given Aussie the scrum. Horrible injury.

I thought that too.

I missed that.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:22

Duty281 wrote:Strange how it's England's ball from that. Considered he was injured upon landing I would have given Aussie the scrum. Horrible injury.

Yeah pretty harsh, but technically correct. Huge as it's led to 3 possible.

Wallabies discipline has been shocking - pretty much every England visit to the 22 has led to an almost immediate penalty advantage.

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:26

All came from a terrible restart.

by Duty281 Sat 9 Jul - 12:27

England's defence doesn't look good at all, any pressure applied and they don't have the answer.

Eight point game. If Australia get the next score they're favourites.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:27

Game on?

by Northgrill Sat 9 Jul - 12:28

Two tries where Smith hasn’t covered himself in glory. Shot up and left the gap in first half. Up against a big man for second one but he has to do better

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:31

It feels a bit like England have run out of steam again...

by Duty281 Sat 9 Jul - 12:33

That sums up a very disappointing night for Smith. England starting to fall apart.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:34

10 minutes for Smith - they've been consistent.

Really is game on!

by formerly known as Sam Sat 9 Jul - 12:34

Cumbrian wrote:It feels a bit like England have run out of steam again...

Very much so and the moronic yellow card won't help.

Eddie needs to use the bench and freshen the side up, get some fresh legs to bring back the intensity.

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 12:34

Duty281 wrote:That sums up a very disappointing night for Smith. England starting to fall apart.

need the subs now.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:37

What's happened to England? So dominant in the first half. All Wallabies now!

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:37

England really need to learn to turn momentum around when in this situation. It always goes this way, when things start going against us they inevitably do something boneheaded and fold.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:38

Ooft that's a really harsh call on the 50-22

Never seen a TMO intervene so much

by Cumbrian Sat 9 Jul - 12:42

England are pretty much passive now, like a knacked boxer taking punishment. Need a leader to galvanise them, grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

by **RDW** Sat 9 Jul - 12:43

Easy with hindsight but Wallabies should have gone for 3 there

by doctor_grey Sat 9 Jul - 12:49

Bad play by JVP. Leads to a lineout down deep.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 9 Jul - 12:49

RDW wrote:Ooft that's a really harsh call on the 50-22

Never seen a TMO intervene so much

Ah you must be new to the Brace/Neville combination then.

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