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Results in aggregate this year for the national team were:
5 February 2022 - Scotland 20–17 England
12 February 2022 - Wales 20–17 Scotland
26 February 2022 - Scotland 17–36 France
12 March 2022 - Italy 22–33 Scotland
19 March 2022 - Ireland 26–5 Scotland
2 July 2022 - Argentina 26–18 Scotland
9 July 2022 - Argentina 6–29 Scotland
16 July 2022 - Argentina 34–31 Scotland
29 October 2022 - Scotland 15–16 Australia
5 November 2022 - Scotland 28–12 Fiji
13 November 2022 - Scotland 23–31 New Zealand
19 November 2022 - Scotland 52–29 Argentina
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Results in aggregate this year for the national team were:
5 February 2022 - Scotland 20–17 England
12 February 2022 - Wales 20–17 Scotland
26 February 2022 - Scotland 17–36 France
12 March 2022 - Italy 22–33 Scotland
19 March 2022 - Ireland 26–5 Scotland
2 July 2022 - Argentina 26–18 Scotland
9 July 2022 - Argentina 6–29 Scotland
16 July 2022 - Argentina 34–31 Scotland
29 October 2022 - Scotland 15–16 Australia
5 November 2022 - Scotland 28–12 Fiji
13 November 2022 - Scotland 23–31 New Zealand
19 November 2022 - Scotland 52–29 Argentina
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Stern Vern is back in town and seems to be happy. Playing most questions with a very straight bat though in this Offside Line article!
WITH his imposing frame, glassy-eyed stare and no-nonsense approach to the business of coaching a rugby team, he came to be known as Stern Vern Cotter round these parts during his three years as Scotland coach between the summers of 2014 and 2017. Fair, amenable but not exactly cuddly.
It was the same man who met the Scottish press yesterday afternoon, but a conspicuously more relaxed version (still not cuddly) – which is perhaps what happens when you move out of the Murrayfield bubble and end up the head coach of the Fijian national team, where love of the game rather than corporate messaging is the central philosophy.
Having overseen a period of steady and tangible progress, which included Scotland coming within a questionable refereeing decision of reaching the 2015 World Cup semi-finals, the New Zealander is sure of a warm reception at Murrayfield this weekend.
Many in Scottish rugby believe Cotter was moved on prematurely so that Gregor Townsend could take over as national team head coach five years ago, and more than a few will argue that bringing him back to help reinvigorate the side ahead of next year’s World Cup in France wouldn’t be a terrible idea.
But the man himself is in a different head space. He enjoys splitting his time between Fiji and the family farm in New Zealand’s Bay of Plenty, he is enthused by the talent he sees coming through the new Drua Super Rugby franchise, and clearly relishes the challenge of helping make a supremely talented group of players overcome the odds to be genuinely competitive against the top teams on the planet.
Cotter is very obviously enjoying being back in Scotland, but he straight bats away any suggestion that a more permanent return to the country through reinstatement in his old job might be desirable for either party.
“It is the old saying in life of ‘never say never’ – but it is highly unlikely,” he says. “I’ll definitely come back to Scotland to go fishing and hunting in the Highlands, or to catch up with some friends, but professionally … rugby-wise … things have moved on.”
“I have some really good memories from here, for myself and my family,” he adds. “I am catching up with friends this week who I haven’t seen for a couple of years which is always very nice. As soon as I got out of the airport at Edinburgh it was so familiar. I was back in Scotland but coaching another team, but it is nice to be back.
“I’m heading down to the Borders tomorrow. I’m going to go shoot some clay birds. I’ve got half a day, so I’ll go get some fresh air, have a bacon and egg sandwich, and talk about the old days. It is funny how the years go past – it flies by so quickly.”
Cotter and Finn Russell started the Scotland sections of their careers on the same day, against the USA during the summer of 2014, and he confirms that he finds the mercurial stand-off’s exclusion from this Autumn’s Test series a real head scratcher.
“I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m surprised given the player he is and what he’s contributed to Scottish rugby, it has been very good,” said the 60-year-old. “But that’s not my issue and if he’s not playing against us then that’s one less threat we have to worry about.
“We had a great relationship with Finn. I really enjoyed Finn. That was that era, there’s another one now,” he adds, when pressed on whether he ever found Russell hard to work with in the same way as Townsend clearly does.
Townsend’s problems with Russell must seem trivial to Cotter, who has to contend with having access to his overseas based players (over half his squad) for only very short periods of time on a very occasional basis during the course of a regular year, and this week he has had to contend with the extra disruption to his planning caused by Teti Tela, the only dedicated stand-off in his squad, losing his passport in France before flying to Edinburgh on nSunday night, meaning he didn’t arrive in the Scottish capital until Wednesday evening.
“We get to the airport on Sunday, and he goes: ‘I can ‘t find my passport’. And I say: ‘No, that’s a joke, mate!’,” explained Cotter. “So, he hauls everything out of his bag, rings the hotel, rings the bus. Doesn’t know where it is. He had to get a train from Toulouse up to Paris, he is a New Zealand passport holder so had to apply for an emergency passport. He has got it and coming this afternoon.
“It is incredibly frustrating when you want to drive a high-performance environment and you don’t have enough time together to get to the standard we want,” Cotter adds, referring to the general challenge of coaching Fiji. “We have to be very patient as we have the World Cup next year when we will have time.
“It’s the way it is. How we maximise our time at the moment to get the most out of it is the key.
“We have some great games coming up against Scotland, Ireland and the French Barbarians, so we’ll use those, then our European-based players will go back to their club, and we’ll be feeding them information through the guys I’ve got placed up here to go to the clubs and talk to them.
“We’ll get everyone together when Super Rugby finishes at the end of June, and then we’ve got three weeks to even it out, and then we go.
“We have three games in Fiji. I think we play Japan, Uruguay and Samoa, then shift to France. We have a game against France, a game against England, then go home and come back to France two weeks before our first match against Wales.”
As for Saturday’s match, Cotter is keen to manage expectations, and is at pains to stress that it is an early step in the journey he has described above.
“They do come together very quickly as they are so close, but you have our first five-eighth who lost his passport in France not with us [at the moment], you have visa issues, we didn’t get everybody with us until Monday night, and we have two injuries from a Sunday night game when Toulouse played Bordeaux,” he says.
“We effectively have two training sessions together before we play at the weekend [Tuesday and Wednesday], but on the positive side it is great for us to be given these two Tier One games [against Scotland this weekend and Ireland next weekend] before the World Cup. This is a great thing for us. It should just be a training run for them, but we will get something out of it.
“We want a performance where we can say we got the ball to the outside channels, beat defenders, and scored points. We don’t want to walk off the paddock saying we didn’t really do that. Hopefully we can get a chance to have a go.
“The theme is easy: you’ve got to dominate the structure to play unstructured rugby … we like unstructured rugby, it comes naturally. But you can’t do that if you don’t dominate the structure.
“It’s the fundamentals of the game. You can’t hide from having a decent set-piece, being able to be effective at ruck, and being able to keep the ball for multiple phases. So that is what we are focusing on.”
Interestingly, there are no players in the current Fijian squad who have become available under World Rugby’s new three-year stand-down law, with Cotter explaining that his focus is on helping promote the Fijian Drua franchise, which had its first Super Rugby campaign earlier this year.
“Seta Tamanivalu played for the All Blacks and he played for Fiji in July, but other than that … I want to encourage growth on the island because they’ve never had a professional pathway,” he reasons. “It has always been a scout come from Rugby League in Australia or Racing in France to pick up a guy and put him in their academy. Now our coaches are identifying young players because they have to with a professional team that needs a supply of players. So, I’ve enjoyed that part of it.”
In contrast, Scotland are actively embracing the new rule as a means of circumnavigating failures in their own development pathway. Jack Dempsey completed the switch from Australia to Scotland when he made his debut in the dark blue last weekend, and Townsend has confirmed that he is actively tracking other players who could make a similar move.
WITH his imposing frame, glassy-eyed stare and no-nonsense approach to the business of coaching a rugby team, he came to be known as Stern Vern Cotter round these parts during his three years as Scotland coach between the summers of 2014 and 2017. Fair, amenable but not exactly cuddly.
It was the same man who met the Scottish press yesterday afternoon, but a conspicuously more relaxed version (still not cuddly) – which is perhaps what happens when you move out of the Murrayfield bubble and end up the head coach of the Fijian national team, where love of the game rather than corporate messaging is the central philosophy.
Having overseen a period of steady and tangible progress, which included Scotland coming within a questionable refereeing decision of reaching the 2015 World Cup semi-finals, the New Zealander is sure of a warm reception at Murrayfield this weekend.
Many in Scottish rugby believe Cotter was moved on prematurely so that Gregor Townsend could take over as national team head coach five years ago, and more than a few will argue that bringing him back to help reinvigorate the side ahead of next year’s World Cup in France wouldn’t be a terrible idea.
But the man himself is in a different head space. He enjoys splitting his time between Fiji and the family farm in New Zealand’s Bay of Plenty, he is enthused by the talent he sees coming through the new Drua Super Rugby franchise, and clearly relishes the challenge of helping make a supremely talented group of players overcome the odds to be genuinely competitive against the top teams on the planet.
Cotter is very obviously enjoying being back in Scotland, but he straight bats away any suggestion that a more permanent return to the country through reinstatement in his old job might be desirable for either party.
“It is the old saying in life of ‘never say never’ – but it is highly unlikely,” he says. “I’ll definitely come back to Scotland to go fishing and hunting in the Highlands, or to catch up with some friends, but professionally … rugby-wise … things have moved on.”
“I have some really good memories from here, for myself and my family,” he adds. “I am catching up with friends this week who I haven’t seen for a couple of years which is always very nice. As soon as I got out of the airport at Edinburgh it was so familiar. I was back in Scotland but coaching another team, but it is nice to be back.
“I’m heading down to the Borders tomorrow. I’m going to go shoot some clay birds. I’ve got half a day, so I’ll go get some fresh air, have a bacon and egg sandwich, and talk about the old days. It is funny how the years go past – it flies by so quickly.”
Cotter and Finn Russell started the Scotland sections of their careers on the same day, against the USA during the summer of 2014, and he confirms that he finds the mercurial stand-off’s exclusion from this Autumn’s Test series a real head scratcher.
“I can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m surprised given the player he is and what he’s contributed to Scottish rugby, it has been very good,” said the 60-year-old. “But that’s not my issue and if he’s not playing against us then that’s one less threat we have to worry about.
“We had a great relationship with Finn. I really enjoyed Finn. That was that era, there’s another one now,” he adds, when pressed on whether he ever found Russell hard to work with in the same way as Townsend clearly does.
Townsend’s problems with Russell must seem trivial to Cotter, who has to contend with having access to his overseas based players (over half his squad) for only very short periods of time on a very occasional basis during the course of a regular year, and this week he has had to contend with the extra disruption to his planning caused by Teti Tela, the only dedicated stand-off in his squad, losing his passport in France before flying to Edinburgh on nSunday night, meaning he didn’t arrive in the Scottish capital until Wednesday evening.
“We get to the airport on Sunday, and he goes: ‘I can ‘t find my passport’. And I say: ‘No, that’s a joke, mate!’,” explained Cotter. “So, he hauls everything out of his bag, rings the hotel, rings the bus. Doesn’t know where it is. He had to get a train from Toulouse up to Paris, he is a New Zealand passport holder so had to apply for an emergency passport. He has got it and coming this afternoon.
“It is incredibly frustrating when you want to drive a high-performance environment and you don’t have enough time together to get to the standard we want,” Cotter adds, referring to the general challenge of coaching Fiji. “We have to be very patient as we have the World Cup next year when we will have time.
“It’s the way it is. How we maximise our time at the moment to get the most out of it is the key.
“We have some great games coming up against Scotland, Ireland and the French Barbarians, so we’ll use those, then our European-based players will go back to their club, and we’ll be feeding them information through the guys I’ve got placed up here to go to the clubs and talk to them.
“We’ll get everyone together when Super Rugby finishes at the end of June, and then we’ve got three weeks to even it out, and then we go.
“We have three games in Fiji. I think we play Japan, Uruguay and Samoa, then shift to France. We have a game against France, a game against England, then go home and come back to France two weeks before our first match against Wales.”
As for Saturday’s match, Cotter is keen to manage expectations, and is at pains to stress that it is an early step in the journey he has described above.
“They do come together very quickly as they are so close, but you have our first five-eighth who lost his passport in France not with us [at the moment], you have visa issues, we didn’t get everybody with us until Monday night, and we have two injuries from a Sunday night game when Toulouse played Bordeaux,” he says.
“We effectively have two training sessions together before we play at the weekend [Tuesday and Wednesday], but on the positive side it is great for us to be given these two Tier One games [against Scotland this weekend and Ireland next weekend] before the World Cup. This is a great thing for us. It should just be a training run for them, but we will get something out of it.
“We want a performance where we can say we got the ball to the outside channels, beat defenders, and scored points. We don’t want to walk off the paddock saying we didn’t really do that. Hopefully we can get a chance to have a go.
“The theme is easy: you’ve got to dominate the structure to play unstructured rugby … we like unstructured rugby, it comes naturally. But you can’t do that if you don’t dominate the structure.
“It’s the fundamentals of the game. You can’t hide from having a decent set-piece, being able to be effective at ruck, and being able to keep the ball for multiple phases. So that is what we are focusing on.”
Interestingly, there are no players in the current Fijian squad who have become available under World Rugby’s new three-year stand-down law, with Cotter explaining that his focus is on helping promote the Fijian Drua franchise, which had its first Super Rugby campaign earlier this year.
“Seta Tamanivalu played for the All Blacks and he played for Fiji in July, but other than that … I want to encourage growth on the island because they’ve never had a professional pathway,” he reasons. “It has always been a scout come from Rugby League in Australia or Racing in France to pick up a guy and put him in their academy. Now our coaches are identifying young players because they have to with a professional team that needs a supply of players. So, I’ve enjoyed that part of it.”
In contrast, Scotland are actively embracing the new rule as a means of circumnavigating failures in their own development pathway. Jack Dempsey completed the switch from Australia to Scotland when he made his debut in the dark blue last weekend, and Townsend has confirmed that he is actively tracking other players who could make a similar move.
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Alas, reading that reinforces the idea that it was stupid to drop him 5 years ago. That last part in particular about structure to earn the right to play unstructured rugby is the basic stuff we are sorely missing.
Meanwhile we have a head coach who seems to have abandoned any plan in attack, a team without a kicker, relying unfairly on someone who doesn't kick for their club and a set piece that isn't functioning (in fairness to Toonie I'm more surprised and disappointed that dalziel has done such a poor job).
I really hope Fiji give us a hard game. Hell, if they win at least it'll finally dispel the smoke and mirrors created by Toonie. Given the position of relative advantage Scotland have, anything less than a dominant win is sub par.
Meanwhile we have a head coach who seems to have abandoned any plan in attack, a team without a kicker, relying unfairly on someone who doesn't kick for their club and a set piece that isn't functioning (in fairness to Toonie I'm more surprised and disappointed that dalziel has done such a poor job).
I really hope Fiji give us a hard game. Hell, if they win at least it'll finally dispel the smoke and mirrors created by Toonie. Given the position of relative advantage Scotland have, anything less than a dominant win is sub par.
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Lots of rumours now that Finn will be brought back for the ABs.
I'd be surprised, but you never know!
I'd be surprised, but you never know!
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jimbopip wrote:I have a nasty feeling that we could very well be on here next week weeping and wailing over another loss.
Toonie will start with Blairhorn. He needs more time playing at 10 for Scotland if he's to be in our WC squad. To drop him after that penalty miss would be cruel and possibly very damaging to his psyche. haircut Hastings will probably bench with the "In case of emergency break glass " label on his forehead. I fully expect a queue of Fijian forwards waiting to run at Blairhorn until he gets yellow carded for neck high tackles.
Some players joining the squad will most likely go into the 23 so they don't go straight into the All Blacks game; Hogg, Harris, Gray, Hastings are pretty much definites. Ashman, Bayliss, Redpath and Dempsey could all feature.
Will Toonie rest players who played against Oz and should be starting against the Blackness? Shooey, Ragnar, GG, Mbawza, Matt Fagerson, Hamish and Aldi Price?
1. Bhatti (Sutherland)
2.Turner (Ashman)
3. Nel (Walker)
4. big Ritchie
5. Ickle Jonny (Young)
6. Crosbie (Haining)
8. Dempsey
7. Bayliss
9. Hornito (White)
10. FECC (Hastings)
11.Duhan
12.Redpath
13.Harris
14.ADHD Kid
15. Hogg (Smith)
This post was pretty much ignored earlier in the week. I reckon it won't be too far off the XV picked. Big Vern is doing a good job of saying Fiji have no chance whatsoever but I'm thinking he's playing mind games there.
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I'd bet tattie's left nut that you're not even close with that pack.
Is Crosbie even in the squad...?
Is Crosbie even in the squad...?
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RDW wrote:I'd bet tattie's left nut that you're not even close with that pack.
Is Crosbie even in the squad...?
Bet me something that gets used once in a while . Like FES's blow up-wipe clean-life size Suella dolly.
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https://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby-union/finn-russell-praised-by-scotland-coach-and-there-are-regular-conversations-with-gregor-townsend-3901995
Finn gets a mention in despatches in the press conference this week. The mood music certainly sounds good for a return to the squad.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby-union/this-is-no-last-waltz-for-richie-gray-as-he-makes-scotland-return-and-eyes-rugby-world-cup-3903582
They also have Big RG down as a starter this saturday and fancy him going all the way into the WC squad.
Finn gets a mention in despatches in the press conference this week. The mood music certainly sounds good for a return to the squad.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby-union/this-is-no-last-waltz-for-richie-gray-as-he-makes-scotland-return-and-eyes-rugby-world-cup-3903582
They also have Big RG down as a starter this saturday and fancy him going all the way into the WC squad.
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jimbopip wrote:jimbopip wrote:I have a nasty feeling that we could very well be on here next week weeping and wailing over another loss.
Toonie will start with Blairhorn. He needs more time playing at 10 for Scotland if he's to be in our WC squad. To drop him after that penalty miss would be cruel and possibly very damaging to his psyche. haircut Hastings will probably bench with the "In case of emergency break glass " label on his forehead. I fully expect a queue of Fijian forwards waiting to run at Blairhorn until he gets yellow carded for neck high tackles.
Some players joining the squad will most likely go into the 23 so they don't go straight into the All Blacks game; Hogg, Harris, Gray, Hastings are pretty much definites. Ashman, Bayliss, Redpath and Dempsey could all feature.
Will Toonie rest players who played against Oz and should be starting against the Blackness? Shooey, Ragnar, GG, Mbawza, Matt Fagerson, Hamish and Aldi Price?
1. Bhatti (Sutherland)
2.Turner (Ashman)
3. Nel (Walker)
4. big Ritchie
5. Ickle Jonny (Young)
6. Crosbie (Haining)
8. Dempsey
7. Bayliss
9. Hornito (White)
10. FECC (Hastings)
11.Duhan
12.Redpath
13.Harris
14.ADHD Kid
15. Hogg (Smith)
This post was pretty much ignored earlier in the week. I reckon it won't be too far off the XV picked. Big Vern is doing a good job of saying Fiji have no chance whatsoever but I'm thinking he's playing mind games there.
To be honest a loss to Fiji isn't that far off reality. Also I think I'm at the stage where I wouldn't mind. Hopefully it'd do for Toonie what Tonga did for Robinson (and I liked Robinson for all his shortcomings!)
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NeilyBroon, as someone who has visited the Rec can you give us some recommendations for the December trip?
Watering holes obviously, but also somewhere decent for a pre match breakfast.
Ta.
Watering holes obviously, but also somewhere decent for a pre match breakfast.
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Depends on the kind of thing you're looking for!
Bath brewhouse is good if you're into beers, there's a tiny pub called the old green tree which is all wood panelling and ales. All the standard choices too being right next to the town centre, to be honest the stadium has a pretty good selection of bath ales (and a wine bar obviously, being Bath).
Breakfast wise not sure, there's a couple of lovely cafes on the bridge but they will be potentially rammed on game day.
Bath brewhouse is good if you're into beers, there's a tiny pub called the old green tree which is all wood panelling and ales. All the standard choices too being right next to the town centre, to be honest the stadium has a pretty good selection of bath ales (and a wine bar obviously, being Bath).
Breakfast wise not sure, there's a couple of lovely cafes on the bridge but they will be potentially rammed on game day.
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Thanks Neily, we're staying in Broad St so it's pretty central. I'll check out the brewhouse and Green Tree. Though experience tells me a solid full English is essential before a 1pm kick off.
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The Boater is near the ground and a decent boozer. Outdoor beer garden too. Busy on matchdays obviously.
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Thanks Flounder, although I think you've probably spent too long in the Penal Colony: outdoor beer garden? in December
Roaring fireside and spiced ale for me pre match.
Roaring greeting possibilty of jail post match. if Glasgow lose.
Roaring fireside and spiced ale for me pre match.
Roaring greeting possibilty of jail post match. if Glasgow lose.
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Any idea when team is being announced?
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NeilyBroon wrote:Depends on the kind of thing you're looking for!
Bath brewhouse is good if you're into beers, there's a tiny pub called the old green tree which is all wood panelling and ales. All the standard choices too being right next to the town centre, to be honest the stadium has a pretty good selection of bath ales (and a wine bar obviously, being Bath).
Breakfast wise not sure, there's a couple of lovely cafes on the bridge but they will be potentially rammed on game day.
Been to Bath once and had a good pub meal down a Georgian alleyway somewhere in town and an excellent curry at Yak Yak Yeti (I think that was what it was called).
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bsando wrote:NeilyBroon wrote:Depends on the kind of thing you're looking for!
Bath brewhouse is good if you're into beers, there's a tiny pub called the old green tree which is all wood panelling and ales. All the standard choices too being right next to the town centre, to be honest the stadium has a pretty good selection of bath ales (and a wine bar obviously, being Bath).
Breakfast wise not sure, there's a couple of lovely cafes on the bridge but they will be potentially rammed on game day.
Been to Bath once and had a good pub meal down a Georgian alleyway somewhere in town and an excellent curry at Yak Yak Yeti (I think that was what it was called).
Certainly no shortage of nice spots, it's why it's one of the best places to go for a game!
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https://www.theoffsideline.com/scotland-v-fiji-not-so-stern-vern-cotter-embraces-return-to-old-stomping-ground/
Nice article on Vern Cotter. Sounds like his Fiji side are going to be pretty loosely prepared for this one with their standoff losing his passport on the way over, whoops! No excuses for Scotland losing this one really.
Nice article on Vern Cotter. Sounds like his Fiji side are going to be pretty loosely prepared for this one with their standoff losing his passport on the way over, whoops! No excuses for Scotland losing this one really.
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Apparently we've lost our Cherry but have Chuckles.
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[quote="NeilyBroon"]Any idea when team is being announced?[/quote
It was 15.30 last time out, so looks like it is heading the same way
It was 15.30 last time out, so looks like it is heading the same way
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15. Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs) 93 caps
14. Darcy Graham (Edinburgh Rugby) 30 caps
13. Chris Harris – Vice Captain – (Gloucester Rugby) 36 caps
12. Cameron Redpath (Bath Rugby) 2 caps
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Edinburgh Rugby) 20 caps
10. Adam Hastings (Gloucester Rugby) 26 caps
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) 55 caps
1. Pierre Schoeman (Edinburgh Rugby) 13 caps
2. George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) 28 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) 51 caps
4. Richie Gray (Glasgow Warriors) 67 caps
5. Grant Gilchrist – Vice Captain – (Edinburgh Rugby) 56 caps
6. Jamie Ritchie – Captain – (Edinburgh Rugby) 33 caps
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) 52 caps
8. Matt Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) 25 caps
Replacements
16. Ewan Ashman (Sale Sharks) 4 caps
17. Rory Sutherland (Ulster Rugby) 20 caps
18. Murphy Walker (Glasgow Warriors) uncapped
19. Jonny Gray (Exeter Chiefs) 69 caps
20. Jack Dempsey (Glasgow Warriors) 1 cap
21. Ben White (London Irish) 6 caps
22. Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh Rugby) 35 caps
23. Sione Tuipulotu (Glasgow Warriors) 8 caps
14. Darcy Graham (Edinburgh Rugby) 30 caps
13. Chris Harris – Vice Captain – (Gloucester Rugby) 36 caps
12. Cameron Redpath (Bath Rugby) 2 caps
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Edinburgh Rugby) 20 caps
10. Adam Hastings (Gloucester Rugby) 26 caps
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) 55 caps
1. Pierre Schoeman (Edinburgh Rugby) 13 caps
2. George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) 28 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) 51 caps
4. Richie Gray (Glasgow Warriors) 67 caps
5. Grant Gilchrist – Vice Captain – (Edinburgh Rugby) 56 caps
6. Jamie Ritchie – Captain – (Edinburgh Rugby) 33 caps
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) 52 caps
8. Matt Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) 25 caps
Replacements
16. Ewan Ashman (Sale Sharks) 4 caps
17. Rory Sutherland (Ulster Rugby) 20 caps
18. Murphy Walker (Glasgow Warriors) uncapped
19. Jonny Gray (Exeter Chiefs) 69 caps
20. Jack Dempsey (Glasgow Warriors) 1 cap
21. Ben White (London Irish) 6 caps
22. Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh Rugby) 35 caps
23. Sione Tuipulotu (Glasgow Warriors) 8 caps
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Well, not too many complaints about that team.
Very glad, if a little surprised to see hastings start, but he is the form FH.
We finally get to see the Redpath/Harris centre combo, which is probably our strongest lineup. Bennett unlucky but Tuipootu just got that added versatility for the bench spot.
Walker gets a run off the bench and Dempsey gets another crack. We might also see both Gray brothers in tandem for Scotland, has that happened before?
Very glad, if a little surprised to see hastings start, but he is the form FH.
We finally get to see the Redpath/Harris centre combo, which is probably our strongest lineup. Bennett unlucky but Tuipootu just got that added versatility for the bench spot.
Walker gets a run off the bench and Dempsey gets another crack. We might also see both Gray brothers in tandem for Scotland, has that happened before?
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Well there's not many of them in Bath so it should be easy to find.bsando wrote:NeilyBroon wrote:Depends on the kind of thing you're looking for!
Bath brewhouse is good if you're into beers, there's a tiny pub called the old green tree which is all wood panelling and ales. All the standard choices too being right next to the town centre, to be honest the stadium has a pretty good selection of bath ales (and a wine bar obviously, being Bath).
Breakfast wise not sure, there's a couple of lovely cafes on the bridge but they will be potentially rammed on game day.
Been to Bath once and had a good pub meal down a Georgian alleyway somewhere in town and an excellent curry at Yak Yak Yeti (I think that was what it was called).
Apart from getting the front row wrong, 22 of my 23 are there on saturday.
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Decent enough side, glad to see Hastings given a run. Hopefully if he puts in a performance Toonie may consider him for more than 10 minutes off of the bench for the rest of the series.
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BigGee wrote:Well, not too many complaints about that team.
Very glad, if a little surprised to see hastings start, but he is the form FH.
We finally get to see the Redpath/Harris centre combo, which is probably our strongest lineup. Bennett unlucky but Tuipootu just got that added versatility for the bench spot.
Walker gets a run off the bench and Dempsey gets another crack. We might also see both Gray brothers in tandem for Scotland, has that happened before?
Yes. In fact i am sure they both scored in the same match. At home against the Pumas. Or Fiji. Or maybe they didn't. I'm deliberately adopting the government's U-turn to prosperity approach.
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Lets hope Hastings shows us something because what I have seen him do for Scotland in the past I would have him behind Kinghorn in the pecking order. I just do not get what folk see in him
He dithers then gets caught in possession. I bet he gets caught in possession 3 times in this match because for what ever reason the play is not on and he dithers
He dithers then gets caught in possession. I bet he gets caught in possession 3 times in this match because for what ever reason the play is not on and he dithers
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I remember Hastings doing a brilliant job at 15 (was that against England?) And did well to cover for Finn one six Nations when he was out for a bit. I think he's improved a lot since his last Scotland showing which, let's face it, was nearly 2 seasons ago!
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I may have switched Dempsey and Fagerson for this one, but otherwise that's pretty much what I'd have picked from this squad.
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jimbopip wrote:RDW wrote:I'd bet tattie's left nut that you're not even close with that pack.
Is Crosbie even in the squad...?
Bet me something that gets used once in a while . Like FES's blow up-wipe clean-life size Suella dolly.
Oi. Leave my nut alone.
And my god jimbo, your post gave me the boak
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jimbopip wrote:Well there's not many of them in Bath so it should be easy to find.bsando wrote:NeilyBroon wrote:Depends on the kind of thing you're looking for!
Bath brewhouse is good if you're into beers, there's a tiny pub called the old green tree which is all wood panelling and ales. All the standard choices too being right next to the town centre, to be honest the stadium has a pretty good selection of bath ales (and a wine bar obviously, being Bath).
Breakfast wise not sure, there's a couple of lovely cafes on the bridge but they will be potentially rammed on game day.
Been to Bath once and had a good pub meal down a Georgian alleyway somewhere in town and an excellent curry at Yak Yak Yeti (I think that was what it was called).
Apart from getting the front row wrong, 22 of my 23 are there on saturday.
Rugby pub without the tourists will be the Pulteney Arms, a younger rugby crowd The Pig & Fiddle, older rugby crowd The Salamander, posh crowd Hall & Woodhouse, civilised crowd The Crystal Palace. Take your pick !
Breakfast cafes are too many to mention.
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Basically the story of my married life.jimbopip wrote:Apparently we've lost our Cherry but have Chuckles.
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jimbopip wrote:RDW wrote:I'd bet tattie's left nut that you're not even close with that pack.
Is Crosbie even in the squad...?
Bet me something that gets used once in a while . Like FES's blow up-wipe clean-life size Suella dolly.
I'm actually still using the Liz Truss one. I like to repeatedly yell "going for growth" as I go to town on it....
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Back to the rugby
Because quite Franky I’m getting the heave here!!!
That’s as good a backline as we could put out except for always slow Ali
Hopefully Redpath can help get the ball to the wings and FB. Harris isn’t actually too bad at passing, does it more for Gloucester than he does for Scotland so he can do it. But Redpath will be the difference I think. Another option to get the ball wide instead of the bashers we’ve had at 12 recently.
The forwards should have a better time at the breakdown that Fiji so let’s see what happens.
Because quite Franky I’m getting the heave here!!!
That’s as good a backline as we could put out except for always slow Ali
Hopefully Redpath can help get the ball to the wings and FB. Harris isn’t actually too bad at passing, does it more for Gloucester than he does for Scotland so he can do it. But Redpath will be the difference I think. Another option to get the ball wide instead of the bashers we’ve had at 12 recently.
The forwards should have a better time at the breakdown that Fiji so let’s see what happens.
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funnyExiledScot wrote:jimbopip wrote:RDW wrote:I'd bet tattie's left nut that you're not even close with that pack.
Is Crosbie even in the squad...?
Bet me something that gets used once in a while . Like FES's blow up-wipe clean-life size Suella dolly.
I'm actually still using the Liz Truss one. I like to repeatedly yell "going for growth" as I go to town on it....
tell me that is a metaphor for cunnilingus
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https://www.theoffsideline.com/scotland-v-fiji-townsend-backs-the-best-of-rivals-to-push-each-other-on/
So Toonie pretty clear that FR not coming back to play the ABs. That has to be a sensible decision really unless one of Hastings/Kinghorn gets injured. It would just come across as a complete cave in otherwise.
He was very open in his courting of Finn Smith though, which is surprising in so much as he is doing it so openly. Gave a pretty strong hint that he could be coming into the squad for the 6N in fact.
So Toonie pretty clear that FR not coming back to play the ABs. That has to be a sensible decision really unless one of Hastings/Kinghorn gets injured. It would just come across as a complete cave in otherwise.
He was very open in his courting of Finn Smith though, which is surprising in so much as he is doing it so openly. Gave a pretty strong hint that he could be coming into the squad for the 6N in fact.
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I line that team. The backline has a real balance to it - given that every other player you'd class as an attacking player, it makes sense to have a 13 like Harris still in there.
Really really hope that 10-12-13 axis go well.
Really really hope that 10-12-13 axis go well.
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If it doesn't then Shona can come on at 13. He has looked much more dangerous there than at 12 so far this season.
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Watching the Gloucester-exeter game there was some nice interplay and understanding between Hastings and Harris, hopefully they can replicate that on the international stage.
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jimbopip wrote:If it doesn't then Shona can come on at 13. He has looked much more dangerous there than at 12 so far this season.
Still not sold on shona at international level. Dropping that ball 5 yards from the line against oz was criminal!
For me, Bennett is a far more classy player, just needs someone at 12 who will give him the ball
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Fiji Team
Forwards
1 Eroni Mawi
2 Sam Matavesi
3 Manasa Saulo
4 Temo Mayanavanua
5 Ratu Leone Rotuisolia
6 Albert Tuisue
7 Levani Botia
8 Viliame Mata
Backs
9 Frank Lomani
10 Vilimoni Botitu
11 Vinaya Habosi
12 Kalaveti Ravouvou
13 Waisea Nayacalevu (Captain)
14 Setareki Tuicuvu
15 Kini Murimurivalu
Replacements
16 Tevita Ikanivere
17 Livai Natave
18 Luke Tagi
19 Apisalome Ratuniyarawa
20 Kitione Kamikamica
21 Peni Matawalu
22 Teti Tela
23 Sireli Maqala
Excuse my ignorance but I do not know many of these players? This lineup appears to be missing many household names and just wondering why? Radrada, Tuisova etc Hope it is not yet another example of the Fiji players not being able to afford to play for their country?
Forwards
1 Eroni Mawi
2 Sam Matavesi
3 Manasa Saulo
4 Temo Mayanavanua
5 Ratu Leone Rotuisolia
6 Albert Tuisue
7 Levani Botia
8 Viliame Mata
Backs
9 Frank Lomani
10 Vilimoni Botitu
11 Vinaya Habosi
12 Kalaveti Ravouvou
13 Waisea Nayacalevu (Captain)
14 Setareki Tuicuvu
15 Kini Murimurivalu
Replacements
16 Tevita Ikanivere
17 Livai Natave
18 Luke Tagi
19 Apisalome Ratuniyarawa
20 Kitione Kamikamica
21 Peni Matawalu
22 Teti Tela
23 Sireli Maqala
Excuse my ignorance but I do not know many of these players? This lineup appears to be missing many household names and just wondering why? Radrada, Tuisova etc Hope it is not yet another example of the Fiji players not being able to afford to play for their country?
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I thought Cotter had said in an interview he was concentrating on players who play in fiji. Seems odd not to have some of the big names there
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NeilyBroon wrote:Watching the Gloucester-exeter game there was some nice interplay and understanding between Hastings and Harris, hopefully they can replicate that on the international stage.
Interesting view. I too watched the game and saw Hastings do very little bar get caught in possession and get turned over at 74 mins - but Hastings hardly got a pass all game. Ickle Jonny was good and Harris excellent Hogg a decent game.
I hoped to see what you all see in Hastings but didn't but as above - he hardly saw the ball
https://youtu.be/1UsjDkWfs4I
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Radrada is long-term injured.
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Well, that’s the fear setting in already.
You staying up for it flounder?
You staying up for it flounder?
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tigertattie wrote:Well, that’s the fear setting in already.
You staying up for it flounder?
Nah - far less stressful watching it after knowing the result!
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RDW wrote:Radrada is long-term injured.
Thank God is all I can say. I know that Chris Harris is supposed to be an amazing defender, but I honestly think Radrada is one of the best 13s I've ever seen. Were he Welsh they'd rename the country after him.
Predictions?
Scotland 35 - 21 Fiji
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https://drua.rugby/player/kalaveti-ravouvou
This guy has some pretty tasty highlights on youtube. Owns three horses and herds cattle on his farm back in Fiji!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHePI0MfNvY&ab_channel=Rugby.com.au
This guy has some pretty tasty highlights on youtube. Owns three horses and herds cattle on his farm back in Fiji!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHePI0MfNvY&ab_channel=Rugby.com.au
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Predictions for the Autumn international predictor game have been extended until 1pm today. Good luck!
https://www.606v2.com/t70868-autumn-internationals-predictor
https://www.606v2.com/t70868-autumn-internationals-predictor
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That's my usual move as well, particularly during the 6N. It's the disappointment that rips off your family jewels and tosses them to the hounds.RDW wrote:tigertattie wrote:Well, that’s the fear setting in already.
You staying up for it flounder?
Nah - far less stressful watching it after knowing the result!
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Dunno what the TMO is doing but the Scottish 4 is bound round the neck of the Fijian forward for that try. Ridiculous that, that isn't a penalty.
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