England post 2022 6Ns, Aus tour and beyond

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Hate to say it and I don't wish him injured but I'm glad Ewels not available!
If you're disappointed with Malins and Daly being selected, imagine how most of us feel about Youngs being there.
In fairness, Malins and Daly been superb this season but please give Radwan and Arundell a run.

That's better

Who wanted Young's in team....JvP immediately makes impact.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

TJ wrote:

Heaf wrote:That ball changes direction in the air ...

No it doesn't.  Not in the slightest.  He might have grazed the ball but "might" is not enough to make the call.  No deviation, no change in spin.  How slow was steward as well?  Need a fast runner at 15

You can see the change in spin though.

Not on the replays shown. do you have your own replays?

I don't agree with that. Should be a pen for me.

Why is the TMO trying to get involved in that nothing incident?!

How obvious does Jonker have to be before he gets banned from TMOing England matches?

TJ wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

TJ wrote:

Heaf wrote:That ball changes direction in the air ...

No it doesn't.  Not in the slightest.  He might have grazed the ball but "might" is not enough to make the call.  No deviation, no change in spin.  How slow was steward as well?  Need a fast runner at 15

You can see the change in spin though.

Not on the replays shown.  do you have your own replays?

You can see the change in spin on the ones shown. Look at the logo and writing on the ball.

Joncker always tries to involve himself in the game.

Should be just a pen for that high tackle.

Always to the detriment of England though

Mako's face in the turf in 3..2...1

Not sure why they subbed Genge?

Stupid challenge that and also no arms.

Wasn't that a shoulder to the head?

Shoulder to JVP's head but because it's Jonker it's the "shoulder"

Joncker says no of course ...

Stupid bloody challenge by LCD. Where is the discipline from when we score to immediately concede.

Notice how fast Joncker was in there though

Heaf wrote:Notice how fast Joncker was in there though

Good frankly.

Correct yes - but strangely silent when it favours England

Nowell really isn't showing any threat even in the tight exchanges.

Heaf wrote:Correct yes - but strangely silent when it favours England

I'm not sure that's true. Think it was the second of 3rd pen in the first half he picked up.

That dive into the ruck by Argentina for example should have been at least a yellow - as it was shoulder first even if it hit the shoulder not head

Lcd again. Awful.

Lcd again. Apparently sinckler there.

If England know what their strengths are, they seem determined not to play to them.

Offside from kick

We've looked better since van Poortvliet came on but we've had enough ball to be out of sight. Just really disappointing that the selection has come home to bite us. We've not shown real dominance that should have come from selecting a pack and backs designed to power. Frankly we look like SA, big but lacking any appetite to entertain.

Next score wins

Argentina quite likely going win this. Or more to point England lose it.

Willis on to win a turnover and score a try. Hopefully. But yay Mako.

He's going to ping England now for sure ...

Mr Bounce wrote:Mako's face in the turf in 3..2...1

Told you...

So predictable

Another scrum pen now and Argentina win

What's the point of a 6 2 bench for this.

FFS.
Game over

Don't worry as Eddie said...he's keeping back all the secret tactics for the world Cup....

Time to put Youngs out to pasture....JVP has to start.

Steward is even slower than I thought....looked like he was running in mud.

Geordie wrote:Sony worry as Eddie said...he's keeping back all the secret tactics for the world Cup....

For who though? He'll have to make it there with England first.

This has been one of the worst displays I've seen from England. So much ball, so little incision. England have dominated ball and territory (65% and 75%), but have still managed to concede 30 points. That's an embarrassment.

England dreadful but so were the officials gifting Argentina a minimum of 8 points

Poor showing throughout tbh. Nowell, Farrell offering nothing in attack. So stodgy....so easy to defend.

I know we are hit with injuries and poor weather but that was so bad.

We desperately need a proper 12, at least 1 fit fast winger and Ben Youngs to never be seen in an England camp again.

Oh, and Marius Jonker to officiate on other matches that don't involve England

Heaf wrote:England dreadful but so were the officials gifting Argentina a minimum of 8 points

And thee ref didn't give a pen for the high tackle by Newall or the foot up hit in the air on the jumper.

its not the refs fault you lost. IMO its a slow set of backs. Faster backs would have scored more and stopped the breakaway try. there is no substitute for pace

Not good enough that. It sounds as if Jones and England are using this as a mini world cup...if so you've just gone out playing boring rugby with no pace and ambition. There are players playing here because they have 'leadership' and are seemingly good blokes like Nowell and Youngs. That doesn't help if they are no longer good enough to play at this level.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Geordie wrote:Sony worry as Eddie said...he's keeping back all the secret tactics for the world Cup....

For who though? He'll have to make it there with England first.

Hopefully we get shot of him now and get someone in to at least give us a chance In the 6n and Wc

TJ wrote:

Heaf wrote:England dreadful but so were the officials gifting Argentina a minimum of 8 points

And thee ref didn't give a pen for the high tackle by Newall or the foot up hit in the air on the jumper.

its not the refs fault you lost.  IMO its a slow set of backs.  Faster backs would have scored more and stopped the breakaway try.  there is no substitute for pace

True enough horrendous decision for that Argentina score from the knock on but a better decision than starting Nowell and Youngs!

I've never been so glad for the ref to blow for the end of the match. 66% territory and possession and managed to give away 14 penalties, that's village.

And will someone PLEASE teach Mako Vunipola how to scrummage? Ffs.