Glasgow and Edinburgh 29 - Buckfast & Bollinger

by **George Carlin** Sat 17 Dec 2022, 7:11 am

First topic message reminder :

29 threads. There is officially something wrong with us.

https://www.606v2.com/t70624p1000-glasgow-and-edinburgh-28-and-counting-the-banter-goes-on?ns=7ndk62cdm0w%3D#4069230

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 6:49 pm

Vellacott hooked early

I did not think he was playing well

13-9 Edinburgh

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 6:56 pm

Can you believe it, the invisible man Maro Itojie finally gets a YC

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 6:58 pm

What a lineout drive from Edinburgh and Schoeman goes over, he has had a fantastic game!

Kinghorn kicks the conversion

20-9 Edinburgh

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:02 pm

Another penalty for Edinburgh

Falls short

by tigertattie Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:06 pm

It is a game where the memory or Saracen’s rule breaking really comes back to stick in yer craw.

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:06 pm

HP has not exactly speed up Edinburgh ruck speed!

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:09 pm

Skinner gets a YC, 8 mins to go

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:14 pm

Saracens score but miss the conversion

20-14 Edinburgh

Edinburgh will lose home advantage on points difference atm

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:17 pm

HP makes a howler and Edinburgh knock on, 2 mins to go

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:20 pm

HP then kicks it out when Edinburgh still need points

Edinburgh win, but Sarries get the home tie

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:23 pm

There were some really good performances from Edinburgh in that game, Mata, Schoeman, Cherry, Crosbie all fantastic

I thought both SHs were very poor though and probably cost Edinburgh a home tie, neither could get the ball away from the ruck.

Healy may solve Edinburgh FH issues but they are still struggling at SH and need to solve that one.

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:27 pm

So Edinburgh go away to Leicester

They may prefer that to a home tie against Munster, which is what they would have got had they scored one more point!

by funnyExiledScot Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:31 pm

Pyrgos has been a calamity for some time now, but chuffed with that result and, as you say, possibly an easier tie despite being away from home. Crosbie has become a real handful, and putting pressure on the Scotland selectors.

by Tramptastic Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:32 pm

BigGee wrote:So Edinburgh go away to Leicester

They may prefer that to a home tie against Munster, which is what they would have got had they scored one more point!

Correction on that - sarnies get ospreys at home... think edinburgh would have fancied that one instead of Leicester away!

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:33 pm

Crosbie comfortably won the battle against Christie if that was what Toonie had turned up to see!

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:37 pm

Blair says he was comfortable with the call.

Playing into a stiff breeze, 14 men and no momentum (and with HP at SH, unlikely to gain any). Her says a win is more important in the context of their season.

He may be right and Leicester are certainly not unbeatable at home.

by tigertattie Sun 22 Jan 2023, 7:44 pm

Can someone explain why a nation with some fantastic scrum halves, our best club side have to endure the drudgery that is Henry Piecrust???

by **BigGee** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 8:01 pm

tigertattie wrote:Can someone explain why a nation with some fantastic scrum halves, our best club side have to endure the drudgery that is Henry Piecrust???

I have to say I am not really seeing it with any of the Edinburgh SHs. Vellacott was not good today either and has been hit and miss recently as well.

Blair clearly has a conundrum here as he can't settle on any of them to be his starter, probably because none of them are good enough. It is a problem that needs to be solved going forward and much as it pains me, if Glasgow are not going to give much game time to young Dobie, who i still think will be the best SH Scotland have had in a long time, then he should probably go down the M8. He is just to good, as was Darge, to be sitting around not playing.

by Collapse2005 Sun 22 Jan 2023, 8:04 pm

Tadgh Beirne recycling the ball for Toulouse was one of the funnier moments of this weekends rugby and smart too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1617206769578639360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etwitterkit

by TJ Sun 22 Jan 2023, 8:08 pm

Aye - good way to avoid the pen tho.

by **RDW** Sun 22 Jan 2023, 8:21 pm

Big win that! Shame we didn't get a home QF but weirdly I feel more confident being away and not favourites, such is the Scottish psyche...

by tigertattie Sun 22 Jan 2023, 8:31 pm

RDW wrote:Big win that! Shame we didn't get a home QF but weirdly I feel more confident being away and not favourites, such is the Scottish psyche...

It was a good win against a very, how best to put it, “streetwise” team!!!

I’d have much preferred to face the Hairspreys at home than the current English champs down on their turf. Leicester are very good especially at home and we’re pretty ropey away. I can also see s Matt Scott (12) with a point to prove putting in a decent performance to show Toonie what’s he’s missing out on

by Hazel Sapling Mon 23 Jan 2023, 9:34 am

Only got to watch most of the first half for the Edinburgh game. Sarries got away with murder even with the two yellows. Glad Edinburgh were able to back it up in the second half.

From wiki, Edinburgh's in the rough side of the draw. Win against Leicester, get the winner of Leinster vs Ulster. Win that, probably get Toulouse. On the other side, La Rochelle and Exeter are big names, but both have looked more vulnerable.

Glasgow get a home tie against Dragons and then the winner of Lions vs Racing (so Racing)

by **RDW** Mon 23 Jan 2023, 9:42 am

Just watched extended highlights - Edinburgh really should have won that by 10-15 points! Great intensity shown from Edinburgh though and huge physicality. Just a shame we couldn't convert more chances.

by jimbopip Mon 23 Jan 2023, 1:49 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:

Glasgow get a home tie against Dragons and then the winner of Lions vs Racing (so Racing)

I'm not so sure Hazel. The French sides don't really enjoy sending their best players to away games, especially not in the Diddy Cup. Racing may feel that this competition is not top of their priorities and that a mid season trip to Safferland is not as exciting as preparing for their next T14 match. Could the Lions beat Racing's second XV? Possibly.

I feel fairly confident that Glasgow can beat the Lions at Scotstoun. Racing? Yeah, if they don't put out a full strength side.

by **RiscaGame** Mon 23 Jan 2023, 2:35 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:
Glasgow get a home tie against Dragons and then Dragons play the winner of Lions vs Racing (so Racing)

Fixed that for you Wink

by jimbopip Mon 23 Jan 2023, 2:42 pm

See what you did there Risca. Almost as funny as dragons taking three points at the end rather than kicking to the corner: their logic being that they had more chance f scoring from collecting a restart deep in their half than taking a lineout five yards out.

Glasgow haven't lost at home under this monarch, and four Prime Ministers have come and gone since we last lost at Scotstoun. Dragons can't buy a win. But...if you're a betting man chin

by Hazel Sapling Mon 23 Jan 2023, 3:19 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
Hazel Sapling wrote:
Glasgow get a home tie against Dragons and then Dragons play the winner of Lions vs Racing (so Racing)

Fixed that for you

Fair point censored

The winner will get Lions vs Racing...hopefully Jimbo is right on that one

by **BigGee** Mon 23 Jan 2023, 9:56 pm

Piers Francis has been cited for his self concussing tackle attempt on ST in Friday nights game.

If he gets a retrospective RC for that, I can see no reason why the two Sarries players who got YC's for pretty much the same offence should not get cited as well!

by **BigGee** Tue 24 Jan 2023, 2:08 pm

Rufus McLean gets sacked by Glasgow

Only possible outcome really, but i do hope he gets some help managing his issues going forward. He will have more important things than rugby to be worrying about for now.

Gies without saying that i hope his partner also gets supported and can move on wigh her life as well.

by tigertattie Tue 24 Jan 2023, 6:58 pm

Rugby is in some state right now.

Rufus getting a domestic abuse conviction
The Welsh rugby Union’s sexist culture being investigated
Entire women’s team in Edinburgh quitting over sexism and racism

Not exactly shining a light here are we!

by **BigGee** Tue 24 Jan 2023, 7:23 pm

tigertattie wrote:Rugby is in some state right now.

Rufus getting a domestic abuse conviction
The Welsh rugby Union’s sexist culture being investigated
Entire women’s team in Edinburgh quitting over sexism and racism

Not exactly shining a light here are we!

Just a reflection of society generally unfortunately.

At least it is coming out into the open now. You have got to realise you gave a problem before you can find a solution.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 24 Jan 2023, 11:31 pm

It's getting all deep and meaningful on here....

Just on the Edinburgh scrum half situation:

The best 9 is Vellacott. Back when Blair was the Messiah the whole gameplan revolved around Vellacott, and his acceleration from the base is absolutely top class. Hard to do against the very best (and we can hopefully agree that Sarries match that description), but he's still a key player for the Blair era and, in my view, a close competitor for Toonie's squad (after White and Price and fighting with Horne, albeit Price seriously need to rediscover form).

Next is Shiel. Even less proficient at the "basics" than Vellacott, but still better at the tap and go and ball in hand than most. His service is also pretty slick. A very handy bench player, and a useful impact sub.

Finally we come to Pyrgos. Utterly hopeless. The cogs in Ian Blackford's brain are faster than Pyrgos. Jimbo's banter is sharper than Pyrgos. RDW is quicker to purchase a round than Pyrgos. GeorgeCarlin can complete his offshore tax return quicker than Pyrgos. ASBO can repent his IndyReg sins faster than Pyrgos. I can "recolonise" the national curriculum in the time it takes for Pyrgos to consider a box kick. He is slower than Greg Laidlaw but minus the competitive spirit and tactical nous. He's like Peter Stringer without the pass, Rob Howley without the speed, Joost without the strength, and Mike Phillips without
....well yes, he's that that bad.

Edinburgh should get rid of Pyrgos ASAP, and hire Jamie Dobie or Scott Steele. Dobie is wasted at Glasgow and it's high time, Mark Bennett aside, that we got a decent player from the Great Unwashed.

by Hazel Sapling Wed 25 Jan 2023, 10:54 am

Shiel seems to have fallen back in recent times. Not sure what has happened to him but is he good enough to be second choice at a knockout Champions Cup quality side?

Steele has not received much gametime at Quins this season and not sure if he has been pushed down the pecking order for being NEQ. Would be a good signing for Edinburgh to take on with his stock relatively low.

by **BigGee** Wed 25 Jan 2023, 11:46 am

Hazel Sapling wrote:Shiel seems to have fallen back in recent times. Not sure what has happened to him but is he good enough to be second choice at a knockout Champions Cup quality side?

Steele has not received much gametime at Quins this season and not sure if he has been pushed down the pecking order for being NEQ. Would be a good signing for Edinburgh to take on with his stock relatively low.

Sheil has been at Edinburgh for 5 odd years and has never really kicked on, just to inconsistent to be a starting SH.

Steele has been injured, he did bench for Quins this weekend, so is fit again, but he has never really establuished himself as a starter either, despite playing for a few clubs. He may be a better option for Edinburgh than some of their current SHs though!

by bsando Wed 25 Jan 2023, 12:59 pm

Dobie would be great, he seems to have a lot of potential but being behind Price and Horne is not ideal. Price isn’t that old really so will be around for a few more seasons and Horne is playing very well. Sheil and Pyrgos do a job for Edinburgh but there’s a reason they’re not in the Scotland squad.

by tigertattie Wed 25 Jan 2023, 1:49 pm

Problem is, Price is crap and dobie can’t get passed him. Price had one good season and that’s it.

If dobie can’t get passed him, would he get passed vellacot, Sheil and pyrgos? Dobie and Vellacot are also very similar styles of 9 so may not be suited as a pair.

by **BigGee** Wed 25 Jan 2023, 2:22 pm

Price has got the reputation unfortunately and is currently playing on it.

Dobie has been starved of game time this season so fsr, but will surely get more now we are moving into the international windows.

Maybe Franco has been holding him back for this time, so he can get a proper crack of the whip.

Dobie may well turn out to be the best of the lot, whenever he does play, he plays well.

by jimbopip Wed 25 Jan 2023, 2:35 pm

Why would Dobie take a demotion to the Luvvies?
He is far too good for them. In the same way that Nye Bevan would be too good for today's Labour Party. But not in the same way that Nadim Zahawi was too good to own shares in the company he founded, but wasn't too good to be above giving them to his father.

Dobie is a proper rugby player; his pass is as smooth as Glen Miller's slide trombone, he has better legs than Nijinsky (either one, of the Nijinskys not the legs) and he tackles like MrsPip wanting to know where all my pocket money went THIS TIME.

Dobie to the Luvvies!!! The very thought of it has me gathering my brows like the gathering storm, nursing my wrath to keep it warm.

by tigertattie Wed 25 Jan 2023, 8:17 pm

Send us Horne then

by bsando Thu 26 Jan 2023, 10:12 am

We can take Price and Horne and you can have Pyrgos and Sheil Jimbo. That’ll leave Dobie first choice for you guys, everyone is a winner.

by jimbopip Thu 26 Jan 2023, 10:40 am

bsando wrote:We can take Price and Horne and you can have Pyrgos and Sheil Jimbo. That’ll leave Dobie first choice for you guys, everyone is a winner.

The very idea of any professional rugby club anywhere looking at Henners and Sheil and thinking "Ah, that's what we need to improve our attendance figures; rugby's answer to the Chuckle Brothers."

No thank you. picard

by Hazel Sapling Thu 26 Jan 2023, 11:15 am

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/spoken-a-few-times-stuart-hogg-tipped-for-a-japan-league-switch-scotland-laidlaw/

Laidlaw talking to Hogg about moving to Japan when his contract expires this summer. After watching L Williams' injury ridden few years, going to Japan may be the answer for Hogg.

by **BigGee** Thu 26 Jan 2023, 11:43 am

Yes a move to Japan makes sense for Hoggy in many ways, especially as his options are probably more limited than they might obviously appear.

I don't see any prospect of him moving back to Scotland at this stage of his career, both Scottish sides need to be looking towards the next Stuart Hogg not the previous one.

If he moves to another Premier League team, it will be tied to a big pay cut, due to the general state of league finances and his age and his injury profile, which has been good up to now, but maybe starting to catch up with him.

France is maybe an option, he is a big name that will be attractive to some clubs there, but probably not the championship winning teams. He also has to decide if his body is up to the battering it will take in France. He might do better in announcing his international retirement if he goes down this route.

In Japan, a high profile name like Hogg would attract big money and the shorter seasons and less physically robust nature of the league may prolong his career but again, it would likely end his Scotland career, but that may be happening naturally anyway and he could see this coming WC as his swansong.

by Hazel Sapling Thu 26 Jan 2023, 12:52 pm

Would Hogg playing in Japan end his Scotland career?

He would be undercooked for November internationals and Six Nations call-ups would erode his value significantly for the club

At the same time, Saffa's play club in Japan and for the international team. At least until 2025, he is likely to be either first or second choice (competing with Smith and assuming H Jones is not considered). Patterson and Blain still have the jury out on them

by **BigGee** Thu 26 Jan 2023, 1:13 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:Would Hogg playing in Japan end his Scotland career?

He would be undercooked for November internationals and Six Nations call-ups would erode his value significantly for the club

At the same time, Saffa's play club in Japan and for the international team. At least until 2025, he is likely to be either first or second choice (competing with Smith and assuming H Jones is not considered). Patterson and Blain still have the jury out on them

I think it would.

Their season clashes with 6N and if he had to miss a 2 month block, flying back and forth unlikely to be a viable option, i can't see how it would make any sense in a short season.

by **BigGee** Thu 26 Jan 2023, 1:15 pm

BigGee wrote:
Hazel Sapling wrote:Would Hogg playing in Japan end his Scotland career?

He would be undercooked for November internationals and Six Nations call-ups would erode his value significantly for the club

At the same time, Saffa's play club in Japan and for the international team. At least until 2025, he is likely to be either first or second choice (competing with Smith and assuming H Jones is not considered). Patterson and Blain still have the jury out on them

I think it would.

Their season clashes with 6N and if he had to miss a 2 month block, flying back and forth unlikely to be a viable option, i can't see how it would make any sense in a short season.

There is much less of a clash with summer tours and the rugby championship, so more suited to the Southern Hemisphere season.

by **BigGee** Thu 26 Jan 2023, 6:28 pm

Hoggy comes out strongly denying he has any intention of going to Japan. Not the right place for him and his family.

It will be interesting to see where he does end up, he is believed to be out of contract at the end of this season.

by tigertattie Thu 26 Jan 2023, 6:34 pm

Heard it here first.

Hogg to take a bit of a pay cut and move Newcastle next season

by **RDW** Thu 26 Jan 2023, 8:20 pm

BigGee wrote:Hoggy comes out strongly denying he has any intention of going to Japan. Not the right place for him and his family.

It will be interesting to see where he does end up, he is believed to be out of contract at the end of this season.

Looks like wee Greig is gonna be in trouble!

by Sponsored content