England Pre 2023 6Ns and Beyond.

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Heaf wrote:Ben O'K should NEVER be allowed to ref or TMO England

Right decision tbf.

Pen to England for not releasing/rolling away every day and twice on Sunday

The GF dream....flanker in midfield!

Heaf wrote:Pen to England for not releasing/rolling away every day and twice on Sunday

The ball is free and playable with no French player on englands side though.

Doesn't mean no pen though ...

Maybe England havent turned up in support of Gary Linekar?

France's biggest win over England in rugby history is 25 points, and this is the first time France have scored 40+ v England.

Collapse2005 wrote:Maybe England havent turned up in support of Gary Linekar?

Really good turnover from Ben Curry there. His international career hasn't had a happy start this tournament but that's a second good intervention since coming on.

Duty281 wrote:France's biggest win over England in rugby history is 25 points, and this is the first time France have scored 40+ v England.

Wasnt expecting it to be so one sided

Now refusing to award clear pens to England at the breakdown

No 7&1/2 wrote:The GF dream....flanker in midfield!

Not the flanker I want In the midfield....

Just as well Ted Hill is not blemished by being part of this drubbing.

Geordie wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:The GF dream....flanker in midfield!

Not the flanker I want In the midfield....

Just as well Ted Hill is not blemished by being part of this drubbing.

Lol. Is a shake though that that midfield didn't get a little longer together. Think this is the last game for a Lawrence slade on. I'd be at the mo expecting a farrell Lawrence one vs Ireland. Then the wait for kelly.

4 quick tries and it's game on here.

king_carlos wrote:4 quick tries and it's game on here.

That's a relief, I thought England were in trouble for a moment.

I'm just laughing at this stage to be completely honest. France playing Sevens whilst England fall apart.

Cheeky from Penaud

king_carlos wrote:I'm just laughing at this stage to be completely honest. France playing Sevens whilst England fall apart.

Too late to get Robertson?

It's OK, fellow England fans, it's not as though England have to go to Dublin next week, on St. Patrick's weekend.

Duty281 wrote:It's OK, fellow England fans, it's not as though England have to go to Dublin next week, on St. Patrick's weekend.

They'll be hungover it's all good.

The number of times I've heard St Paddy's mentioned as if that's a factor in England's issues is rather amusing to me...

Why was Dombrandt just ambling over until Penaud caught it?

Is this a game to confirm we need to be a little braver in selection?

This is one of England's worst defeats.

The reaction from the France coaching box says it all

Well the rest of the world will be laughing now...

Eddie out.

king_carlos wrote:Eddie out.

Lol. Seriously though. Robertson is still available.

Maybe don’t pick players from Bath, Bristol, Exeter, Harlequins, Leicester, LI, Northampton, Sale and Saracens again?

Only two Premiership teams who have come out of credit today are Glos and Newcastle as they’re too working class to be allowed players in the England squad

Just as well they fired Eddie Jones...it's made such a difference....

formerly known as Sam wrote:Why was Dombrandt just ambling over until Penaud caught it?

Lawrence getting injured after all the back subs came on was the final nail for the defence. Walker has now played more at flanker than hooker I believe.

Dombrandt has been extremely poor today but being too knackered to catch one of the best wingers in the game after 70 minutes of this, whilst trying to cover centre isn't a reason why IMO.

Mayne france have peaked today and that's their world Cup over.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

glaws wrote:Maybe don’t pick players from Bath, Bristol, Exeter, Harlequins, Leicester, LI, Northampton, Sale and Saracens again?

Only two Premiership teams who have come out of credit today are Glos and Newcastle as they’re too working class to be allowed players in the England squad

I would say that's silly but I'm on a last warning for that.

True though as none of ours or Newcastle’s players were involved

king_carlos wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:Why was Dombrandt just ambling over until Penaud caught it?

Lawrence getting injured after all the back subs came on was the final nail for the defence. Walker has now played more at flanker than hooker I believe.

Dombrandt has been extremely poor today but being too knackered to catch one of the best wingers in the game after 70 minutes of this, whilst trying to cover centre isn't a reason why IMO.

I don't mind him being done for pace I mind that he was casually wandering over until Penaud caught it and then put his foot down. If he'd just put his foot down to begin with he could have been underneath it and maybe had a chance to do something.

That was like the dark days of Ashton and Johnson in the mid to late 00s when the southern teams would come over to Twickenham and smash England.

Ironic that Ben O'K decided to start pinging France at the breakdown finally - but England still mess it up ...

England the laughing stock of world rugby today...

Dreading Ireland.

Geordie wrote:Mayne france have peaked today and that's their world Cup over.

Annoyingly this is the first time they've actually turned up this tournament. For me they've shown a shed load more ambition in offloads than they have all tournament. First win in London since 2007. This is the performance which confirms why o thought they were the best on the world until the Ireland game. The only area they looked second best was scrum for me....but they were down to 3rd choice prop.

Duty281 wrote:If France play to their full potential they could blow England away by a fair bit. But they haven't been at that level so far this Six Nations.

Oh joy, they just had to turn up today.

Feel sorry for Steve Borthwick, great rugby man and Id still back him to turn things around. England need a bit of a reset and then some consistency of selection. Itoje used to be unplayable even he looks a normal player now.

Sooooooo, Ireland then. I think we start with Mitchell, Farrell at 12 and Lawrence if fit at 13. If he isn't fit Tuilagi. So underwhelmed in our wingers, we really need some spark there with Steward at full back. He was probably our best player today but with that safety net for me we need proper running threats on the wings.

Unfortunately my bad feeling that it could be a shocker was correct ... losing the breakdown in part due to some very asymmetric decision making by O'Keefe didn't help but there was so much more to it than that. Borthwick might be regretting taking this on ...

I thought Itoje had a largely very good game today. Along with Steward and Mitchell maybe the only to do so. Mario's had a very good tournament in fact I think.

What a surprise. Mako gave away a penalty with his face in the dirt again at the end.

Well done France, you were simply better at everything. We need a bit of work. Actually a lot.

Next week will be uncomfortable...

I've said it before....two teams at the different stages of development....BUT we look underpowered and need to find some young kids with real power and dynamism!

Woodward....don't overreact. Its not that big of a gap. Criticism of the Borthwick tactics though. Young coach lots of learning.

Genge. Nice honest words. 80 per cent there and well beaten. Way off. Genge saying its on the forwards in terms of contact.
Focus on the spoiling of the party next week.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Woodward....don't overreact. Its not that big of a gap. Criticism of the Borthwick tactics though. Young coach lots of learning.

Don't normally agree with him bit he's right. We'll rebuild...I have faith.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Genge. Nice honest words. 80 per cent there and well beaten. Way off. Genge saying its on the forwards in terms of contact.
Focus on the spoiling of the party next week.

We looked under powered missing Underhill, Tom Curry, Lawes, and Ted Hill

England well and truly beaten/thrashed today.
i cannot remember a France side so physical,

England gace a lot of work to do before the RWC.