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Post by king_carlos Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:24 am

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If Pope can't play I'd probably prefer Foakes coming in, taking the gloves, myself. Maybe:

1.Crawley 2.Duckett 3.Brook 4.Root 5.Bairstow 6.Stokes (c) 7.Foakes (wk)

It means a rejigging of the order but gets better players in the XI than Lawrence at 3 IMO. Particularly when I'm not that convinced by Lawrence against higher pace. Given the 15 man squad that isn't on the cards though.

If Wood is genuinely fit I'd like his pace in the attack but would probably ere towards the seam heavy attack again if the 4  below are good to go:

8.Woakes 9.Broad 10.Wood 11.Tongue

If Wood isn't fit then:

8.Moeen 9.Woakes 10.Broad 11.Tongue

Which does have a lot of batting depth on the upside.

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Post by compelling and rich Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:44 pm

GSC wrote:Wood is seriously revved up but not quite finding the right area yet

yeah at that pace needs to be hitting the stumps or batsman chin. somewhere in between and little bit wide at the moment


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Post by compelling and rich Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:48 pm

good decision to bring in a short leg for me

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:00 pm

Well that was unplayable
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Post by compelling and rich Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:00 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
GSC wrote:Wood is seriously revved up but not quite finding the right area yet

yeah at that pace needs to be hitting the stumps or batsman chin. somewhere in between and little bit wide at the moment

just like that!!


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Post by eirebilly_01 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:01 pm

Wood, absolutely brilliant ball.

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Post by alfie Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:02 pm

Makes that England's hour , eh ?

Impressive stuff from Wood thumbsup

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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:02 pm

That makes it England's hour. Khawaja not anticipating that, whatsoever. Completely stuck.

Hopefully that will encourage England to pitch it up, as I feel they've been a bit short for the most part.

Key battle now. The main duo v England's attack. Knock one of them over quickly and England might sense a rout.

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Post by king_carlos Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:04 pm

That's what pace can do. Wood hadn't got his radar quite right a lot of the time but Khawaja, who has looked in great touch, doesn't budge his feet and misses a straight full one. It's been a great spell from Wood.

I might be tempted to only give him one more though. Keep his spells short and sharp so he can do that a few times an innings.

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:06 pm

Be half tempted to keep Smith up the other end and give Wood one more over at him
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Post by alfie Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:06 pm

Looks too good a pitch for a rout. But getting both the openers is a fine start.

Wood has to be kept for short spells so the others have to back it up with some serious pressure stuff. Will go for runs on the fast outfield but have to keep attacking.

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Post by king_carlos Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:08 pm

This outfield is lightning. If it does flatten out as Headingley has tended to recently then there could be plenty of runs in this pitch. England need to keep pressing the advantage of winning the toss here. Unlike T1 and 2.

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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:25 pm

Some sharp singles ticking Australia's score along. Smith looking good early, but Labuschagne doing a fair amount of scrabbling.

Par on this is 400, I reckon, so has been a decent start for England, but as the ball gets softer and the bowlers get into their second spells - that's when the real challenge begins.

Woakes has had a good opening spell, with no outright success.

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Post by compelling and rich Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:28 pm

could be very costly that drop

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:28 pm

One for the Foakes crowd. Looked a very tough chance
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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:29 pm

Was tough, but made to look tougher because he moved a little late.

When it's Smith you simply have to get those chances.

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Post by alfie Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:31 pm

Close ! Really tough one for Jonny having to turn back for the inside edge , but it isn't going to do his confidence much good. Robinson's best over , that.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:32 pm

Robinson and Woakes have bowled a good spell here post drinks
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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:32 pm

England will be a bit happier now
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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:32 pm

That is deserved for Woakes. Beautiful, nagging spell. Labuschagne's struggles continue.

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:33 pm

Rooting for Wood at Head
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Post by alfie Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:35 pm

Got Marnus though ! Woakes to the party and it's three in the bag for just 61. Think Wood will be back on shortly...

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:36 pm

Think this has comfortably been England's best bowling session of the series. Pretty much all been on it.
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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:37 pm

67/3 became 386ao in the first test, and Australia turned 76/3 to 469ao v India (largely thanks to these two), so still plenty of work for England to do. But a very good start all the same.

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Post by king_carlos Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:40 pm

Woakes has bowled a really good spell there. Improved as it's gone on as well. A very deserved and important wicket.

Can England get at the returning Marsh early?

On the Smith half chance. Those are really tough talking as a keeper. You're naturally covering the outside edge more on this sort of pitch. That bounced sharply, nipped in, took the edge and went quickly. The height it reached Bairstow at shows how quickly it went. It's not dying at all. It's not uncommon at all for it to appear that keepers go late for inside edges. When they do so for outside edges it's less forgivable for me.

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Post by compelling and rich Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:52 pm

thats a bad one, given a bye?

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:52 pm

Oh Jonny
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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:53 pm

Getting harder and harder to defend Bairstows spot
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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:53 pm

That's an unforgivable miss. Get Foakes back for the fourth test, England can't afford this.

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Post by compelling and rich Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:54 pm

if bairstow took his chances Australia be 5 down Sad

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:55 pm

Smith out but reviews immediately...
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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:56 pm

But given! England will feel much happier again now
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:56 pm

Understood the Bairstow decision for the first few tests of the series, but had the perfect opportunity to get Foakes back in for this test match - and it's costing them big time.

Broad gets Smith though!
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Post by king_carlos Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:57 pm

That's a genuine drop. The first one as Atherton fairly puts, "was a quarter chance at best", I don't think there's a reasonable argument that Foakes would have likely taken it.

Good to see Wood brought back before lunch though. As expected the England seamers are looking a lot more potent with a genuine 4 man attack so they can be properly rotated.

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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:57 pm

Broad gets Smith! Yahoo

Don't really know why Smith is confused by that? Huge edge.

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:57 pm

4 balls for Mitch Marsh to get to lunch
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Post by king_carlos Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:59 pm

C'MON!!

Huge from Broad.

Another bit of evidence against the, "batters always know when they've nicked it though". Smith was certain he'd missed that. There are few with better touch than him.

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Post by alfie Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:00 pm

Was my fear . Jonny's confidence is completely shot ... That first Test and the effects of rust hurt ; thought he'd got it back a bit by keeping much better at Lord's . But then that weird dismissal...

Costly. That was a sitter.

Though it seems the Smith one hasn't actually cost much at all Wink

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:00 pm

One extra over then. Bonus time?
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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:05 pm

At 3 down England wouldve been happy with their work if let down by the chances. Suspect they're delighted at 4 down with Smith out
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Post by king_carlos Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:06 pm

Duty281 wrote:Broad gets Smith! Yahoo

Don't really know why Smith is confused by that? Huge edge.
I think we've seen enough of those instances now with DRS to see that the old adage about batters always knowing they've hit it doesn't ring true in the quicker professional game. At club level facing 60mph dobblers I'm confident about when I have and haven't hit one but I don't think it quite translates to the highest level where everything is happening in a split second.

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Post by alfie Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:07 pm

So heavily England's session. Mark Wood has been excellent as has Broad. 91/4...you'd take that after sending them in.

Could have been better if that Head chance had been taken. Though I suppose then Smith might not have been on strike to get out Wink

Lively hour in prospect on resumption !

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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:08 pm

91/4, a really good morning for England. All bowlers doing well, but especially Broad and Wood. It's been an outstanding series for Broad and Wood has added that extra dimension that England have lacked. Woakes, too, his spell was very neat, getting it going both ways and removing Labuschagne.

Just hope they keep this intensity up in the afternoon, press the advantage, and get Australia out for sub-250. Head has looked very shaky to anything short (and should already be out!).

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:09 pm

alfie wrote:Was my fear . Jonny's confidence is completely shot ... That first Test and the effects of rust hurt ; thought he'd got it back a bit by keeping much better at Lord's . But then that weird dismissal...

Costly. That was a sitter.

Though it seems the Smith one hasn't actually cost much at all Wink

On Bairstow - as a fellow keeper (lol) it looks to me like he's just lost some spring in his feet/legs after the injury, rather than rust. He was a perfectly good keeper, so could see the logic behind him being in (obviously thinking they were getting that version), but this post injury version just isn't upto it mobility wise. Which of course, then has a knock on effect for confidence etc...(not an excuse for the drop off Wood to Head btw - that should've been taken at all pro levels).
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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:31 pm

I don't think they can really persist with this though. Smith chance was tough but there have too many routine outs in this series go begging
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Post by Soul Requiem Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:33 pm

king_carlos wrote:That's a genuine drop. The first one as Atherton fairly puts, "was a quarter chance at best", I don't think there's a reasonable argument that Foakes would have likely taken it.

Good to see Wood brought back before lunch though. As expected the England seamers are looking a lot more potent with a genuine 4 man attack so they can be properly rotated.

If we ignore the lack of footwork that leaves Bairstow in a poor position to take it then no there's not a reasonable argument. Taking that into account I think Foakes starts moving to his left the moment the ball jags back and ends up with a far easier catch.

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:34 pm

Bairstow is the focal point but think the biggest difference between the sides has been fielding in general. Well that and England's tendency to run up the extras count
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Post by Duty281 Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:35 pm

GSC wrote:I don't think they can really persist with this though. Smith chance was tough but there have too many routine outs in this series go begging

With Pope's unfortunate injury it actually makes things easier, as Foakes can simply come in for one of the five bowlers in the next test.

Will it happen? Doubtful.

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Post by GSC Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:47 pm

Anyway, England have had opportunities to really stamp their authority on games so far but have largely passed them up. Might be the last chance they'll get to keep the series alive
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Post by eirebilly_01 Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:51 pm

Big 6 from Marsh. I have always been undecided by him, he never really has been a top class player in my eyes but yet he keeps having great spells with both bat and ball.

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