England U20s Six Nations

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Squad has been named for the Italy game.  


15 Ben Redshaw (Newcastle Falcons)
14 Toby Cousins (Northampton Saints) *
13 Ben Waghorn (Harlequins) *
12 Sean Kerr (Harlequins)
11 Alex Wills (Sale Sharks) *

10 Rory Taylor (Gloucester Rugby)
9 Archie McParland (Northampton Saints)

1 Asher Opoku-Fordjour (Sale Sharks) *
2 Craig Wright (Northampton Saints) *
3 Billy Sela (Bath Rugby)
4 Olamide Sodeke (Saracens)
5 Junior Kpoku (Racing 92)
6 Finn Carnduff (c) (Leicester Tigers) *
7 Henry Pollock (Northampton Saints)
8 Zach Carr (Harlequins) *


Replacements

16 Jacob Oliver (Newcastle Falcons)
17 Scott Kirk (Bath Rugby)
18 James Halliwell (Bristol Bears) *
19 Joe Bailey (Exeter Chiefs) *
20 Nathan Michelow (Saracens) *
21 Ben Douglas (Newcastle Falcons)
22 Josh Bellamy (Harlequins)
23 Ollie Spencer (Newcastle)

Some good players, the two starting props are beasts for this level, both exceptional in the loose.  There are quite a few other recognisable names in there (and ones I'm not too familiar with).  To be honest we could do with another strong generation.  The last couple of tournaments the performances have been pretty underwhelming.

doctor_grey wrote:Is the game being streamed on the RWC U20 web site? this evening/afternoon?  
Great way to edge into the weekend.

It's on BBC iplayer if you have acccess to that. If abroad use a VPN.

Kick off 19:15 GMT.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

Geordie wrote:Sam...what's Lewis Chessum  doing...is he with tigers or loaned out to the Champs.  

Tigers. Unfortunately it appears he's injured, not confirmed but also not been seen for a few months.

Thats a shame...hope its nothing serious.

mountain man wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:Is the game being streamed on the RWC U20 web site? this evening/afternoon?  
Great way to edge into the weekend.

It's on BBC iplayer if you have acccess to that. If abroad use a VPN.

Kick off 19:15 GMT.

Thanks. Need a good watch this afternoon.

Well they meant thay first scrum...and try immediately...

Decent start!

Surely double movement for Englands try

Archie McParland really needs to get out and catch some sun. Good start though.

Collapse2005 wrote:Surely double movement for Englands try

Whey no

Ref slightly harsh on Ireland not rolling away at ruck.

Great try

Good try but some optional tackles

mountain man wrote:Good try but some optional tackles

Clearly less than optional!!!

My meaning was option taken NOT to tackle.

McPartland doing his best sick boy impression and seeing 2 balls.

Maybe you thought I wrote optimal?

Irelands skills are far superior to Englands, however, we might struggle with their power game.

Very English performance. They get so much right then dumb handling errors and Ireland being very clinical

Ireland collapsed the maul?

mountain man wrote:Maybe you thought I wrote optimal?

Yes I caught your meaning. I wrote to say some of the England players did not tackle and did not even get to the level of optional.

And the defense was far too tight for both Ireland tries. Great sight-read by the Ireland back line.

Hugh Gavin at 12 could be a bolter for Ireland for the next RWC

Ireland comfortable....

England's basics have been shocking, this pull back ball is so telegraphed. It loses it's surprise if you run it literally every attacking play...

Lot of handling errors by England(where have we seen that before) but only two points in it.

lostinwales wrote:Ireland collapsed the maul?

Absolutely! It is really is one of my pet hates because it never gets policed. England were heading to the Irish line and knew they would lose the ball if they collapsed the ruck, why on earth would they bring it down? Teams collapse it that situation with impunity and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen it penalised.

Cumbrian wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Ireland collapsed the maul?

Absolutely!  It is really is one of my pet hates because it never gets policed.  England were heading to the Irish line and knew they would lose the ball if they collapsed the ruck, why on earth would they bring it down?  Teams collapse it that situation with impunity and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen it penalised.

Ireland had the ball well and truely wrapped up bringing it down just before the line was of no additional benefit. Not sure how you could possibly tell who collapsed that maul.

Jeez they totally butchered that try op.

Not bothering to call hugely not straight line-outs now?

Collapse2005 wrote:

Cumbrian wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Ireland collapsed the maul?

Absolutely!  It is really is one of my pet hates because it never gets policed.  England were heading to the Irish line and knew they would lose the ball if they collapsed the ruck, why on earth would they bring it down?  Teams collapse it that situation with impunity and I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen it penalised.

Ireland had the ball well and truely wrapped up bringing it down just before the line was of no additional benefit. Not sure how you could possibly tell who collapsed that maul.

I saw Irish players on the floor first, but I suppose I would...

England's basics awful and tackling shocking.

Miss passes killing England

England not put a decent move together since what? the tenth minute?

Much better from England.

Nice cross kick .... now where's the YC as you could hear the ref say cynical pen?

Heard ref say cynical about one of Ireland offences before try so why no card.

Ha!

That is better, I reckon the new 10 has made a big difference.

Alot of England's back play etc has looked rushed...trying to force things....making errors in congested areas.

Just make the hard yards...take the contact and reset. The gaps will open...

Lineout has been a massive weakness, lost more than they've won. Really difficult to win games like that.

Great execution, thats the BP!

Knock on?

Ireland much better at taking their chances

Heaf wrote:Ireland much better at taking their chances

Efficiency...its essential at international level

Surely any more pens have to be a card?

Ireland committing multiple cynical penalties in the red zone, where is the warning?

Ref too lenient, multiple pens, cynical as well. Should be card.

Hiw do you know Kane James plays for Exeter lol ...

i'm not trying to be facetious, but England would be far better to keep it in the forwards, the backs have been mince.

Should have taken the scrum advantage

Irelands technical skills level looks way higher than Englands in general...and they've coped with the supposed size / physicality difference...which has been barely noticeable...

Geordie wrote:Irelands technical skills level looks way higher than Englands in general...and they've coped with the supposed  size / physicality difference...which has been barely noticeable...

Well the size/power has kept England in the game.