Future English Cricket Stars

by Liam_Main Fri 08 Jul 2011, 5:30 pm

First topic message reminder :

Who's the future of English Cricket? Name your young cricketers XI below (Cut off age of 22)

Heres mine:

1) Alex Hales
2) Liam Dawson
3) Josh Cobb
4) James Vince
5) James Taylor
6) Ben Stokes
7) Jos Buttler (WK)
8) Chris Woakes
9) Scott Borthwick
10) Stuart Meaker
11) Steve Finn

Nearby Inclusions: Reece Topley,James Harris,Lewis Gregory,Jason Roy,Jonathan Bairstow, Danny Briggs

by GSC Tue 12 Jul 2011, 8:59 pm

Thats the one

by Guest Tue 12 Jul 2011, 9:32 pm

by Guest Sat 16 Jul 2011, 7:11 pm

chris woakes, will be a quality player

by Liam_Main Sat 16 Jul 2011, 9:52 pm

He's having a poor season though if he doesn't find some form he could be finding himself quite a bit away from a England recall.

by Guest Sun 17 Jul 2011, 11:20 am

dosent mean he wont come good

by guildfordbat Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:10 pm

Cricketfan - as he bowls at a lesser speed than many, Woakes will need to be incredibly accurate to be a success at international level. The step up will be more for him than most other successful county players. Not saying it will be impossible but it will be difficult.

by Hoggy_Bear Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:03 pm

Liam_Main wrote:He's having a poor season though if he doesn't find some form he could be finding himself quite a bit away from a England recall.

Chris Woakes?
Batting average of 45 and 28 wickets at less than 20 in the County Championship?
Hardly poor.

by Gregers Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:05 pm

I think we were more talking ODI wise Hoggy, although in my opinion Woakes should be in the team ahead of Dernbach...

by Liam_Main Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:08 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:
Liam_Main wrote:He's having a poor season though if he doesn't find some form he could be finding himself quite a bit away from a England recall.

Chris Woakes?
Batting average of 45 and 28 wickets at less than 20 in the County Championship?
Hardly poor.

I was talking T20/ODI's Hoggy which he hasn't impressed in much so far.

by Hoggy_Bear Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:13 pm

Fair enough Liam. Though I've never seen the shorter formats as Woakes' strong point anyway. Much better FC/Test match player.

by Liam_Main Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:18 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:Fair enough Liam. Though I've never seen the shorter formats as Woakes' strong point anyway. Much better FC/Test match player.

Would agree,shame we can't see much of it though.

by Guest Sun 17 Jul 2011, 9:48 pm

i think woakes will struggle to play test cricket, but i think in time he will do well in limited overs cricket for england

by activereactive Mon 18 Jul 2011, 9:32 am

Liam_Main wrote:Who's the future of English Cricket? Name your young cricketers XI below (Cut off age of 22)

Heres mine:

1) Alex Hales
2) Liam Dawson
3) Josh Cobb
4) James Vince
5) James Taylor
6) Ben Stokes
7) Jos Buttler (WK)
8) Chris Woakes
9) Scott Borthwick
10) Stuart Meaker
11) Steve Finn

Nearby Inclusions: Reece Topley,James Harris,Lewis Gregory,Jason Roy,Jonathan Bairstow, Danny Briggs

Which one off above aint from South Africa??
jokes apart, is the ECB taking the take the ##ss out of Asian talents here in the UK?
Look at the curent U19 sqaud, I could not find any Asian name, that played against SA and lost by 7 wickets.
Is the ECB deleberately be trying to shun Asians??
Why is it importing Saffers??
Why is it ignoring the home grown talents??
Should I use term "racism" here or not??
please advise.

I think there is a strong case here to challenge ECB in the European Human Right court.

by Hoggy_Bear Mon 18 Jul 2011, 10:47 am

activereactive wrote:
Liam_Main wrote:Who's the future of English Cricket? Name your young cricketers XI below (Cut off age of 22)

Heres mine:

1) Alex Hales
2) Liam Dawson
3) Josh Cobb
4) James Vince
5) James Taylor
6) Ben Stokes
7) Jos Buttler (WK)
8) Chris Woakes
9) Scott Borthwick
10) Stuart Meaker
11) Steve Finn

Nearby Inclusions: Reece Topley,James Harris,Lewis Gregory,Jason Roy,Jonathan Bairstow, Danny Briggs

Which one off above aint from South Africa??"

All of them.

"jokes apart, is the ECB taking the take the ##ss out of Asian talents here in the UK?
Look at the curent U19 sqaud, I could not find any Asian name, that played against SA and lost by 7 wickets.
Is the ECB deleberately be trying to shun Asians??"

Yeah, Adil Rashid, Ravi Bopara, Ajmal Shahzad, Monty Panesar, Samit Patel. All shunned

"Why is it importing Saffers??"

It isn't

"Why is it ignoring the home grown talents??"

It isn't

"Should I use term "racism" here or not??
please advise."

No, because there is nothing racist about this in any way, shape or form, and only a WUM or an idiot would suggest such a thing

"I think there is a strong case here to challenge ECB in the European Human Right court.

I think there's a strong case that you are totally and utterly wrong.

by activereactive Mon 18 Jul 2011, 10:54 am

Hoggy_Bear wrote:
activereactive wrote:
Liam_Main wrote:Who's the future of English Cricket? Name your young cricketers XI below (Cut off age of 22)

Heres mine:

1) Alex Hales
2) Liam Dawson
3) Josh Cobb
4) James Vince
5) James Taylor
6) Ben Stokes
7) Jos Buttler (WK)
8) Chris Woakes
9) Scott Borthwick
10) Stuart Meaker
11) Steve Finn

Nearby Inclusions: Reece Topley,James Harris,Lewis Gregory,Jason Roy,Jonathan Bairstow, Danny Briggs

Which one off above aint from South Africa??"

All of them.

"jokes apart, is the ECB taking the take the ##ss out of Asian talents here in the UK?
Look at the curent U19 sqaud, I could not find any Asian name, that played against SA and lost by 7 wickets.
Is the ECB deleberately be trying to shun Asians??"

Yeah, Adil Rashid, Ravi Bopara, Ajmal Shahzad, Monty Panesar, Samit Patel. All shunned

"Why is it importing Saffers??"

It isn't

"Why is it ignoring the home grown talents??"

It isn't

"Should I use term "racism" here or not??
please advise."

No, because there is nothing racist about this in any way, shape or form, and only a WUM or an idiot would suggest such a thing

"I think there is a strong case here to challenge ECB in the European Human Right court.

I think there's a strong case that you are totally and utterly wrong.

7/11 of current Eng team are Saffers.

by Hoggy_Bear Mon 18 Jul 2011, 10:58 am

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7/11 of current Eng team are Saffers.[/quote]

No they're not.

by Raymond Mon 18 Jul 2011, 12:39 pm

'Adil Rashid, Ravi Bopara, Ajmal Shahzad, Monty Panesar, Samit Patel. All shunned' Yeah because they're not good enough.

Ignoring home grown talent? all bar Stokes, Roy and Meaker in that list were born in England and the others moved here when they were young.

by activereactive Mon 18 Jul 2011, 1:30 pm

Raymond wrote:'Adil Rashid, Ravi Bopara, Ajmal Shahzad, Monty Panesar, Samit Patel. All shunned' Yeah because they're not good enough.

Ignoring home grown talent? all bar Stokes, Roy and Meaker in that list were born in England and the others moved here when they were young.

It seems all these Asian telents are given chance (here n there), to make up the Racial Equality Quotas, the ECB has never been sincere in promoting Asians, since Nasser Hussain's departure. U19 team proves my claim.

by Hoggy_Bear Mon 18 Jul 2011, 1:49 pm

activereactive wrote:
Raymond wrote:'Adil Rashid, Ravi Bopara, Ajmal Shahzad, Monty Panesar, Samit Patel. All shunned' Yeah because they're not good enough.

Ignoring home grown talent? all bar Stokes, Roy and Meaker in that list were born in England and the others moved here when they were young.

It seems all these Asian telents are given chance (here n there), to make up the Racial Equality Quotas, the ECB has never been sincere in promoting Asians, since Nasser Hussain's departure. U19 team proves my claim.

Utter tripe

by hodge Mon 18 Jul 2011, 1:57 pm

by Guest Mon 18 Jul 2011, 2:01 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:
activereactive wrote:
Raymond wrote:'Adil Rashid, Ravi Bopara, Ajmal Shahzad, Monty Panesar, Samit Patel. All shunned' Yeah because they're not good enough.

Ignoring home grown talent? all bar Stokes, Roy and Meaker in that list were born in England and the others moved here when they were young.

It seems all these Asian telents are given chance (here n there), to make up the Racial Equality Quotas, the ECB has never been sincere in promoting Asians, since Nasser Hussain's departure. U19 team proves my claim.

Utter tripe

what an absolute ridiclous thing to say

by Hoggy_Bear Mon 18 Jul 2011, 2:50 pm

"what an absolute ridiclous thing to say."

Who, me?

by Guest Mon 18 Jul 2011, 7:35 pm

no active

by activereactive Tue 19 Jul 2011, 11:28 am

cricketfan90 wrote:no active

Yes Active,
I tell you what, the uk Asian XI can beat England team any day anywhere any time.
This Asian XI could be full of talents like Ramps.
There are so many Asian youth are bursting with Cricketing skills.
Solanki,
Chopra,
Ateeq Javid (Warwickshire)
Rammi Singh (Durham)
Shiv Thakor (Leicestershire)
Shah, Afzaal, Samit Patel, Bopara, Moeen Ali, Sajiid Mahmood, Shafayat....

Why are these over looked, and given the foreigners (saffers) first chance??

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 19 Jul 2011, 11:53 am

activereactive wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:no active

Yes Active,
I tell you what, the uk Asian XI can beat England team any day anywhere any time.
This Asian XI could be full of talents like Ramps.
There are so many Asian youth are bursting with Cricketing skills.
Solanki,
Chopra,
Ateeq Javid (Warwickshire)
Rammi Singh (Durham)
Shiv Thakor (Leicestershire)
Shah, Afzaal, Samit Patel, Bopara, Moeen Ali, Sajiid Mahmood, Shafayat....

Why are these over looked, and given the foreigners (saffers) first chance??

If they were good enough they'd get picked. Simple.

Bopara was given a good run and didn't make it, ditto Mahmood. Samit Patel is on the fringes and will hopefully get his chance soon - now he's figured out that fitness matters.

by Hoggy_Bear Tue 19 Jul 2011, 1:55 pm

activereactive wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:no active

Yes Active,
I tell you what, the uk Asian XI can beat England team any day anywhere any time.
This Asian XI could be full of talents like Ramps.
There are so many Asian youth are bursting with Cricketing skills.
Solanki,
Chopra,
Ateeq Javid (Warwickshire)
Rammi Singh (Durham)
Shiv Thakor (Leicestershire)
Shah, Afzaal, Samit Patel, Bopara, Moeen Ali, Sajiid Mahmood, Shafayat....

Why are these over looked, and given the foreigners (saffers) first chance??

Because they're not as good as the 'foreigners'.

by Guest Tue 19 Jul 2011, 2:50 pm

You pick the best squad available to you, and if that includes 'saffers' then why not?

England are on the cusp of becoming the number 1 test playing nation (all being well!) and that has been through the utilisation of the best players available to them.

by hodge Tue 19 Jul 2011, 5:03 pm

activereactive wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:no active

Yes Active,
I tell you what, the uk Asian XI can beat England team any day anywhere any time.
This Asian XI could be full of talents like Ramps.
There are so many Asian youth are bursting with Cricketing skills.
Solanki,
Chopra,
Ateeq Javid (Warwickshire)
Rammi Singh (Durham)
Shiv Thakor (Leicestershire)
Shah, Afzaal, Samit Patel, Bopara, Moeen Ali, Sajiid Mahmood, Shafayat....

Why are these over looked, and given the foreigners (saffers) first chance??

Solanki - had his chance
Shah - had his chance
Patel - had his chance
Bopara - continually had his chance
Mahmood - had his chance
Patel - had his chance, and until recently was happy to just be a county player by not following england's fitness regieme

Afzaal - no county contract?

Moeen Ali - not good enough
Shafyat - not good enough

Ateeq Javid (Warwickshire)
Rammi Singh (Durham)
Shiv Thakor (Leicestershire)

WHO?

Chopra - not consistent enough.

You claim they could beat a team of players all born in England?

1) Cook
2) Lyth
3) Davies
4) Hildreth
5) Bell
6) Collingwood
7) Bresnan
8) Swann
9) Tremlett
10) Finn
11) Anderson

That is a team i came up with off the top of my head and undoubtedly could think of a better one, although the one i put is more than capable

by Liam_Main Tue 19 Jul 2011, 5:13 pm

Active are you actually being serious? laughing

None of the English Asian players you mentioned have a solid place in Englands line-up and you think some young 19 year olds are better than Englands squad,you gotta be kidding me.

The Asian side you mentioned wouldn't even beat Zimbawe's 2nd XI, never mind anything else.

by Guest Tue 19 Jul 2011, 8:04 pm

active-im sorry but sometimes you need to think before you write stuff

by Guest Thu 21 Jul 2011, 7:03 pm

Nathan Buck, of lecistershire looks to be a good talent, i saw him play for england u-19's..

by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 9:23 pm

James Taylor will score bucket loads of runs for england in test cricket in the future

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 25 Jul 2011, 10:24 am

Most of that list of "Asian" lads have been given a chance. Like Panesar and Shah too. Trouble is they just havent made the grade and produced well enough to retain a place in the side.

The only one who you could argue hasnt been given a proper chance to prove himself in tests is Rashid (who bizzarely you left off your list). But then they have an extablished world cloass sspinner, and rarely play games where two are required. The last time they did they played an "Asian", Panessar.

Its ludicrous to insuate that theres some kind of racist undertone to the selection policy.

by Guest Tue 26 Jul 2011, 12:49 pm

David Wainwright, is a very underrated player as well, good in all forms of the game for yorkshrie with bat and ball

by Dijon87 Sat 20 Aug 2011, 4:10 pm

1. Sam Northeast
2. Joe Root
3. Alex Hales
4. James Taylor (c)
5. James Vince
6. Jonathan Bairstow
7. Jos Buttler (wk)
8. Scott Borthwick
9. Chris Woakes
10. James Harris
11. Steven Finn

Replacements: Lewis Gregory, Reece Topley, Danny Briggs, Ben Stokes

by Guest Sun 21 Aug 2011, 2:18 pm

i think that adil rashid is harshly treated as well

by Corporalhumblebucket Sun 21 Aug 2011, 9:59 pm

Jason Roy scored centuries in two CB40 matches in a row Bubbly

by gboycottnut Mon 22 Aug 2011, 1:10 am

What about Will Beer of Sussex as England's future leg-spinner? Also a year or so ago, Adil Rashid looked like developing into a matchwinning all-rounder who could one day even bat at number 6 for England in the longer test match format of the game where he could provide England with a much needed genuine all-rounder option, a luxury which England have not had since Ian Botham retired from Test Cricket in 1992.

by gboycottnut Mon 22 Aug 2011, 1:17 am

Also forgot to mention Adam Ball who as a left arm bowler with a slingy type action could be England's answer to Mitchell Johnson!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon 22 Aug 2011, 8:53 am

gboycottnut wrote:What about Will Beer of Sussex as England's future leg-spinner? Also a year or so ago, Adil Rashid looked like developing into a matchwinning all-rounder who could one day even bat at number 6 for England in the longer test match format of the game where he could provide England with a much needed genuine all-rounder option, a luxury which England have not had since Ian Botham retired from Test Cricket in 1992.

Well Boycott and Vaughan both said he hasnt quite got it when quizzed about him....they said hes still some way off. He was given a chance with England but his development stalled. It seems Borthwick has jumped ahead of him as the spinner for the future, and Patel as the spinning all rounder in the short term.
They also said Shazzahd has comepltly lost it this season and noone really knows why.

by **Fists of Fury** Mon 22 Aug 2011, 9:08 am

activereactive wrote:
Liam_Main wrote:Who's the future of English Cricket? Name your young cricketers XI below (Cut off age of 22)

Heres mine:

1) Alex Hales
2) Liam Dawson
3) Josh Cobb
4) James Vince
5) James Taylor
6) Ben Stokes
7) Jos Buttler (WK)
8) Chris Woakes
9) Scott Borthwick
10) Stuart Meaker
11) Steve Finn

Nearby Inclusions: Reece Topley,James Harris,Lewis Gregory,Jason Roy,Jonathan Bairstow, Danny Briggs

Which one off above aint from South Africa??
jokes apart, is the ECB taking the take the ##ss out of Asian talents here in the UK?
Look at the curent U19 sqaud, I could not find any Asian name, that played against SA and lost by 7 wickets.
Is the ECB deleberately be trying to shun Asians??
Why is it importing Saffers??
Why is it ignoring the home grown talents??
Should I use term "racism" here or not??
please advise.

I think there is a strong case here to challenge ECB in the European Human Right court.

by Gregers Mon 29 Aug 2011, 4:03 pm

James Vince scored his first one day 100 today. Very good 131 from him today.

Big congrats to my ex school mate!

by Guest Mon 29 Aug 2011, 7:13 pm

Luke Wells will be class for england in the future

by Liam_Main Tue 30 Aug 2011, 2:10 am

As will Daniel Bell-Drummond

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