Stupid reasons for your partner falling out with you

by liverbnz Mon 18 Jul 2011, 4:14 pm

Exactly what it says on the tin. Partner ever gone off in a huff for the most bizarre reason? Let us hear (read) it.

I've done this thread on a few other forums, and the responses are always a great read. Very Happy

PS: Can't think of any of my own right now, as all recent fallouts have been legitimate. Smile

by dummy_half Mon 18 Jul 2011, 4:31 pm

Don't know, she always says something illogical like 'if you don't know I'm not going to tell you'.

I'm not a firkin mind reader - I'm a bloke, just tell me what the problem is.

by User Name Tue 19 Jul 2011, 7:03 am

Farting.
Dutch Oven.

by TipToes88 Tue 19 Jul 2011, 10:52 am

Believe it or not it was the Dutch Oven that got my mrs into me.

As for falling out, well when she goes out drinking out with her guy pals (all her ex-s and all hate me) its okay with me, but when I ran into an ex at work I was cheating apparantly. Double standards are very much the cause for falling out in our house. She sits on her bum all day while I'm at work then flakes out when I leave my shoes in the living room.
Random reasons for her flaking out include: me putting butter in the fridge, the fact that I like pepper on my super noodles, dancing with her mum, doing housework when come dine with me is on (somebody has to), playing too loudly with our daughter, not liking Micheal McIntyre (not a very nice man) or not wearing what she tells me. My personal fav was after 2 years or so of not getting on with her mates I started to get on with a few of them. This is apparantly not allowed Whistle

Oh and liking snow

by liverbnz Tue 19 Jul 2011, 12:20 pm

Just thought of one - and this is still a bone of contention.

Way back when...I was waiting at a roundabout, and genuinely didn't see a white van coming from the right (I don't know how I missed it either). So I pulled out. The van didn't have to break or anything, but I shouldn't have went - I know that, and I wouldn't have if I'd seen it. It was a one off - and I'm probably now over cautious at roundabouts, junctions and the likes whenever she is in the Mrs. Bucket seat.

So from then on, my other half has decided see will be my eyes on the road. Whenever I'm pulling out at a junction [insert dirty joke here], she always sticks her head in my view so I can't see left. She argues that she doesn't trust me, to which I reply, 'I'm the driver, I need to bloody see if there's oncoming traffic'. She doesn't listen, and continues to block my view.

Then one day last week, we were on the way to the cinema and she did it again to which I again asked her not to, as it was bloody stupid. White van incident was raised, AGAIN. We got to the cinema, but nothing was on for an hour or two, so went decided to get some carry out food and eat it in the park. She went and got it (after long complaints that she shouldn't). She returned, I started up and went to pull out from the on-street parking bay, looked in the mirror, seen nothing. Then she said, 'what are you waiting on, go,'. I proceeded to pull out, only to hear the screeching of brakes and horn, followed by the vision of a very irritated and gesticulating man, who I had just missed contact with by inches. I then said, 'See, I told you this would phlucking happen. I'm the driver. I need to see. It's my call, not yours.'

She asked to be taken home and refused to go to the cinema, so that's where I went - home. She huffed a little more until I then decided to go out with my friends. I'm now accused of having planned this all along, despite it being her that requested to go home. Ya can not win!

by liverbnz Tue 19 Jul 2011, 12:22 pm

TipToes88 wrote: Believe it or not it was the Dutch Oven that got my mrs into me.

not liking Micheal McIntyre (not a very nice man)

How come? I'm genuinely interested as I always thought he seemed nice.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 19 Jul 2011, 12:53 pm

I edited that as it contained a swear, should have really been "very irritating man", in hindsight.

by liverbnz Tue 19 Jul 2011, 1:21 pm

Fair dos. I can understand why someone would find him irritating.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 19 Jul 2011, 2:27 pm

To be honest, I can't stand him either.

by **ADMIN** Tue 19 Jul 2011, 3:08 pm

My Mrs fell out with me because SHE had a dream that I ran off with Tanya from Eastenders.

by **Enforcer** Tue 19 Jul 2011, 3:49 pm

There are loads, but right now I can't think of any!

Hero's reminded me of one my father-in-law told me about: My mother-in-law woke up in the middle of the night after a dream where my father he was nasty to her, so she kicked him. It woke him up and he had a bruise the next day. She refused to apologise though and claimed it was his fault.

by TipToes88 Tue 19 Jul 2011, 3:52 pm

liverbnz wrote:
TipToes88 wrote: Believe it or not it was the Dutch Oven that got my mrs into me.

not liking Micheal McIntyre (not a very nice man)

How come? I'm genuinely interested as I always thought he seemed nice.

He just does my nuts in. He's totally over rated and I've hated him since I first saw him on mock the week when he kept cutting over the genuinely funny people (Frankie and Hugh ftw) with his shoddy jokes.

Yeah I've had the dream cheating one on aregular basis. Think we need to limit the amount of cheese our women eat before bedtime and their Jeremy Kyle privliges

by sodhat Tue 19 Jul 2011, 3:54 pm

Hero wrote:My Mrs fell out with me because SHE had a dream that I ran off with Tanya from Eastenders.

I've had that. My girlfriend has dreamt about me running off or cheating on occasion and I still get the flak for it as if I'm doing it in real life.

I got a fair bit of gip for her discovering a selection of my 'gentleman's magazines' from the past. I hadn't looked at them since I was 16 and didn't even know her and I still got moaned at for having them!

by dummy_half Tue 19 Jul 2011, 4:03 pm

sodhat

"I got a fair bit of gip for her discovering a selection of my 'gentleman's magazines' from the past. I hadn't looked at them since I was 16 "

We'll believe you as a man of your word. Thousands wouldn't though... Wink

by Adam D Tue 19 Jul 2011, 4:24 pm

I have just found the one to top everything on here so far!

Spoiler:

by **ADMIN** Tue 19 Jul 2011, 4:27 pm

You live in Scotland Hobo.
Is your real name Angus?

by Guest Sun 07 Aug 2011, 11:41 pm

Being myself and breathing.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 04 Mar 2015, 2:18 pm

Last stupid reason was bonfire night............Got dragged to one of those boring, overrated firework displays.

Joanne was saying how s**tty the guy looked on the bonfire.........So I said well why don't I nip back and get your Dad !!..

She didn't see the funny side..

by Steffan Thu 05 Mar 2015, 2:40 pm

My last girlfriend:

Having a photo on Facebook with my mates niece arm around me

Having a photo on Facebook with a fellow female student who had her arm around me

Saying that her Jack Russell was the most annoying loathable dog I have ever known

Apparently being more interested in spending time with family and friends than her

Suggesting that Ched Evans might be innocent

Apparently being lazy around her flat

Saying that she is the last Vegetarian I will ever date

The list goes on to be honest and it's amazing we lasted a year

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 05 Mar 2015, 2:47 pm

My mate's ex did accuse him of having a sexual relationship with his own sister and he wasn't allowed to go out with any other females in the group unless she had approved.

by Guest Thu 05 Mar 2015, 2:53 pm

My crazy ex fell out with me because...

I didn't want a sandwich when she was making one for herself
I didn't want my "Fairy cards" reading one evening when she was in the midst of her "mystic" phase
I suggested Bob Hoskins' motives for helping Cathy Tyson in Mona Lisa weren't totally altruistic (namely, he wanted to f*ck her)
A female friend say "hi" to me on her own birthday and I wished her "Happy Birthday"
My mate once asked another mate if he could borrow some porn (I know, what the F*CK has that got to do with me?)

and the list goes on........

by Steffan Thu 05 Mar 2015, 2:57 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:My mate's ex did accuse him of having a sexual relationship with his own sister

by Stella Thu 05 Mar 2015, 3:14 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:My mate's ex did accuse him of having a sexual relationship with his own sister and he wasn't allowed to go out with any other females in the group unless she had approved.

Sounds like a right bunny boiler.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 05 Mar 2015, 4:38 pm

We had a big row a little time ago because she thinks the obese shouldn't be treated on the NHS.....Thinks it's self inflicted and a lack of personal discipline......

I said why should they have to pay in then............

In the end I usually back down or it's the silent treatment..

by Stella Thu 05 Mar 2015, 4:40 pm

You should have stood your ground truss, what with being right.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 05 Mar 2015, 4:44 pm

She's right...I'm left .....boo boom !! Cool

Over 25 years and she ain't been wrong yet.... Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu 05 Mar 2015, 5:05 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:We had a big row a little time ago because she thinks the obese shouldn't be treated on the NHS.....Thinks it's self inflicted and a lack of personal discipline......

I said why should they have to pay in then............

In the end I usually back down or it's the silent treatment..

Thought you'd be up for that

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 05 Mar 2015, 6:13 pm

Apparently chasing jews down the street with a bloodied axe is sufficient grounds for a divorce Shocked

by The Fourth Lion Thu 05 Mar 2015, 6:59 pm

It would take a very long time to list all the occasions on which my wife has decided she's annoyed with me, but we've been married for nearly forty years so I must be doing something right.

The reasons for these bouts of spousal irritation aren't always clear, but I know when I've done something by the silence and the refusal to make eye contact, followed by her saying "I'm fine" when I ask if anything's wrong.

It's the way she says "fine" that does it. When she uses that word in that tone of voice, it means that everything is anything but fine.

"Fine" is something that everything most certainly is not.

I retreat to my den, drink rum, watch a DVD on the little TV I have in there and stay put until a good half hour after she has gone to bed when I go up, get in and say nuffin'.

When things have been really, REALLY "fine", I've been known to sleep in the chair in the den.

by aja424 Thu 23 Apr 2015, 1:59 pm

Going to the gym. Always hated me going but when my boys were born put me on guilt trips " you've always wanted kids and now you're always at the gym".
Just found a gym that suits me which opens until 10pm so leave after putting the boys to bed and train roughly 9-10. To be honest it has a negative impact on my sleep but I feel not training would be worse in physical terms.

by dummy_half Thu 23 Apr 2015, 2:28 pm

The Fourth Lion wrote:It would take a very long time to list all the occasions on which my wife has decided she's annoyed with me, but we've been married for nearly forty years so I must be doing something right.

The reasons for these bouts of spousal irritation aren't always clear, but I know when I've done something by the silence and the refusal to make eye contact, followed by her saying "I'm fine" when I ask if anything's wrong.

It's the way she says "fine" that does it. When she uses that word in that tone of voice, it means that everything is anything but fine.

"Fine" is something that everything most certainly is not.

I retreat to my den, drink rum, watch a DVD on the little TV I have in there and stay put until a good half hour after she has gone to bed when I go up, get in and say nuffin'.

When things have been really, REALLY "fine", I've been known to sleep in the chair in the den.

Been there, done that...

Yes, she was 'FINE'

by Stella Thu 23 Apr 2015, 2:33 pm

aja424 wrote:Going to the gym. Always hated me going but when my boys were born put me on guilt trips " you've always wanted kids and now you're always at the gym".
Just found a gym that suits me which opens until 10pm so leave after putting the boys to bed and train roughly 9-10. To be honest it has a negative impact on my sleep but I feel not training would be worse in physical terms.

My kids tend to go to bed about 7pm, so I'm lucky I can escape a bit earlier. Like your other half, mine isn't keen on me going whilst they're up.

by Guest Thu 23 Apr 2015, 2:44 pm

Not being interested in the fact that someone I don't know has had a child. "To be brutally honest love, it's taking all my effort to feign interest in the two I've got."

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 23 Apr 2015, 2:57 pm

Stella wrote:
aja424 wrote:Going to the gym. Always hated me going but when my boys were born put me on guilt trips " you've always wanted kids and now you're always at the gym".
Just found a gym that suits me which opens until 10pm so leave after putting the boys to bed and train roughly 9-10. To be honest it has a negative impact on my sleep but I feel not training would be worse in physical terms.

My kids tend to go to bed about 7pm, so I'm lucky I can escape a bit earlier. Like your other half, mine isn't keen on me going whilst they're up.

That's what in-laws are for..

by kingraf Thu 23 Apr 2015, 5:10 pm

Actually have a good gym related fall out with my girlfriend a few weeks ago, and I'm not completely convinced it's been resolved. So my girlfriend is studying medicine, and her knowledge of the body is expanding every two weeks. Do a few weeks ago, she got me a rather fancy, and almost certainly overpriced and useless Polar watch, which supposedly measures how long I need to rest before my next workout. Nice touch, but if I followed that damn thing, I'd workout twice a week. Of course, she now wonders what I'm really doing when I go to the gym. "Baabaa, I'm just saying... you don't have to go for another 72 hours... Why are you so desperate to go today?"...

Also slightly more "that grinds my gears", but her friends in medicine absolutely grind my gears. You could beat them within an inch of their life in a fight, destroy them on the chess board, in a battle of wits, and they'd still have this air of indestructible arrogance about them because "They study medicine"

by **Pal Joey** Thu 23 Apr 2015, 11:52 pm

So was that a complete or partial fallout, raf? Cardinal mistake from her buying you (a person who makes his own watches) a watch.

Interesting that she studies medicine.
Same as mine. She likes to discuss everything on a molecular level... which actually sounds sexy with her soft eastern European accent.
I have a feeling she's keen to run medical tests and experiments on me... treat me as a guinea pig to advance her career. Fair enough.

Back to the thread.
I had a brief (few months) relationship with this nymphomaniac who was studying psychology at the time. She never got an assignment in... ever... I don't think. She was banned from the library for not returning books. She was the ultimate procrastinator and tended to 'over-analyse' everything, including me of course.

In between taking it left, right and centre, hanging off the walls and me banging her head against the bed head/wall behind the bed, all she would say to me is "...I don't know what to do... I haven't started my assignment... what am I going to do?... it was due last Friday"
I'd say - "just do the damned thing!" (constantly).

It was an awkward situation which got more intense over time. Because I was unable to have sex 12 times a day she called me "sexually dysfunctional". I tell you - I was completely and utterly worn out. I was eating massive bananas, assorted fruit, yoghurt and nuts in an effort to keep my love juice at an acceptable level for her satisfaction. It didn't bloody work.

I remember driving home from her place in heavy fog with about 3m visibility and thinking: this is going to kill me... too much risk involved going up and down the Escarpment. She lived down in the Gong... about 50 miles south of Sydney.

Then I got a genuine case of the flu. I was supposed to be going down to her place on the Friday night. I already felt like crap on Thursday... sore throat, head like glass, snotty runny nose. When I said I might not be able to make it, she went berserk at me. She called me all sorts of things which were mostly psychology related. Then she told me not to ever call again and slammed down the phone.

You little ripper! Yahoo

by aja424 Fri 24 Apr 2015, 12:46 am

Stella wrote:
aja424 wrote:Going to the gym. Always hated me going but when my boys were born put me on guilt trips " you've always wanted kids and now you're always at the gym".
Just found a gym that suits me which opens until 10pm so leave after putting the boys to bed and train roughly 9-10. To be honest it has a negative impact on my sleep but I feel not training would be worse in physical terms.

My kids tend to go to bed about 7pm, so I'm lucky I can escape a bit earlier. Like your other half, mine isn't keen on me going whilst they're up.

So I'm not the only one then!!
If I went to the pub once a week, which I don't, then the amount of time out would be about equal to my 3-4 workouts a week. Never thought it would be like this when I signed up!!

by kingraf Fri 24 Apr 2015, 12:26 pm

Its the "hanging over your head, primed to explode" type Fall out, LD. More than buying me a watch (of which I have plenty) she bought a disgusting Polar for outdoorsy people or whatever. Still, she's a bit special. Had lunch with her today and she must have missed me, because she walked straight past my table. There's a certain feeling of being in utter love I felt watching her walk past. She quite literally had a bounce in her step, hair waving, head manically swinging from side to side, in her medical blues... She's crazy, but hey...

Also, your psychology ex girlfriend.... Hilarious. I genuinely chuckled at that. Can imagine you hopelessly chucking in a dozen bananas in vain hope. I've got friends who've "found themselves" in psych, and they have like three modules to do the whole year! Damn Humanities

by **88Chris05** Fri 24 Apr 2015, 1:17 pm

Reading some of the comments on here has reminded me of a seriously ridiculous argument between me and an ex. Well, as per the title of the thread, it was an argument she had with me for bugger all reason, actually.

She’d had her hair cut, dyed and fancied up, as the ladies do. I genuinely thought that it and her looked really nice, but she wasn’t happy with it. “That bit’s too short, that bit has the wrong colour tone on it, that bit’s too long” and all that jazz. She was all biscuit-arsed about it and saying how awful she looked while I was reassuring her that she and her hair looked great.

On and on I went. “Babe, you look gorgeous. Your hair is lovely. You look a million dollars, I promise you. Stunning. I think it suits you. It’s really nice, you’re looking beautiful.” And so on and so on. I was very patient and must have used every complimentary and positive adjective under the sun to describe her new hair do, but she just wasn’t having it and kept complaining about it, moaning, saying she didn’t want to go out now because of it etc.

So eventually I lost my rag just a little and said, “For God sake, babe, your hair looks fine” in a tone designed to try and draw a line under the discussion, which was sapping my will to live by this point.

All of a sudden a rage appeared in her face. Apparently, a man should never, ever use the world ‘fine’ to describe anything about a woman. I got hit with a loud tirade of lines such as “Oh my God, you think I look horrible! Every woman knows that if a man uses the word ‘fine’ it actually means he thinks it looks ugly but he just doesn’t want to admit it! The word ‘fine’ is one of the worst things you can ever say to a girl about her appearance! I can’t believe you would use that word – you’re so insensitive! Every man should know never to use the word ‘fine!’”

Not only was she talking a load of cobblers, she was also choosing to ignore that I’d only used the ‘f’ word after I’d spent an unproductive hour or so using a whole array of much nicer descriptions which had proved a waste of time. Cue her spending the rest of the night sat as far across on the other end of the sofa as she could with her arms crossed while I wondered why I couldn’t just be gay.

by westisbest Fri 24 Apr 2015, 1:23 pm

88Chris05 wrote:Reading some of the comments on here has reminded me of a seriously ridiculous argument between me and an ex. Well, as per the title of the thread, it was an argument she had with me for bugger all reason, actually.

She’d had her hair cut, dyed and fancied up, as the ladies do. I genuinely thought that it and her looked really nice, but she wasn’t happy with it. “That bit’s too short, that bit has the wrong colour tone on it, that bit’s too long” and all that jazz. She was all biscuit-arsed about it and saying how awful she looked while I was reassuring her that she and her hair looked great.

On and on I went. “Babe, you look gorgeous. Your hair is lovely. You look a million dollars, I promise you. Stunning. I think it suits you. It’s really nice, you’re looking beautiful.” And so on and so on. I was very patient and must have used every complimentary and positive adjective under the sun to describe her new hair do, but she just wasn’t having it and kept complaining about it, moaning, saying she didn’t want to go out now because of it etc.

So eventually I lost my rag just a little and said, “For God sake, babe, your hair looks fine” in a tone designed to try and draw a line under the discussion, which was sapping my will to live by this point.

All of a sudden a rage appeared in her face. Apparently, a man should never, ever use the world ‘fine’ to describe anything about a woman. I got hit with a loud tirade of lines such as “Oh my God, you think I look horrible! Every woman knows that if a man uses the word ‘fine’ it actually means he thinks it looks ugly but he just doesn’t want to admit it! The word ‘fine’ is one of the worst things you can ever say to a girl about her appearance! I can’t believe you would use that word – you’re so insensitive! Every man should know never to use the word ‘fine!’”

Not only was she talking a load of cobblers, she was also choosing to ignore that I’d only used the ‘f’ word after I’d spent an unproductive hour or so using a whole array of much nicer descriptions which had proved a waste of time. Cue her spending the rest of the night sat as far across on the other end of the sofa as she could with her arms crossed while I wondered why I couldn’t just be gay.

Ha ha, i've said that to my fiancee many a time, and exactly the same line. " You think it looks horrible".

by kingraf Fri 24 Apr 2015, 1:34 pm

To be fair, Chris... you did say her hair looked fine. When it comes to hair, she can ignore negative adjectives and just put it down to you being a caveman. Fine cuts deep.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 24 Apr 2015, 3:50 pm

Hate the word "Babe".................."Hey Babe"..

Like some cheap low rent teenage movie...

Die before I call my Mrs "Babe"

by dummy_half Mon 27 Apr 2015, 9:45 am

88Chris05 wrote:Reading some of the comments on here has reminded me of a seriously ridiculous argument between me and an ex. Well, as per the title of the thread, it was an argument she had with me for bugger all reason, actually.

She’d had her hair cut, dyed and fancied up, as the ladies do. I genuinely thought that it and her looked really nice, but she wasn’t happy with it. “That bit’s too short, that bit has the wrong colour tone on it, that bit’s too long” and all that jazz. She was all biscuit-arsed about it and saying how awful she looked while I was reassuring her that she and her hair looked great.

On and on I went. “Babe, you look gorgeous. Your hair is lovely. You look a million dollars, I promise you. Stunning. I think it suits you. It’s really nice, you’re looking beautiful.” And so on and so on. I was very patient and must have used every complimentary and positive adjective under the sun to describe her new hair do, but she just wasn’t having it and kept complaining about it, moaning, saying she didn’t want to go out now because of it etc.

So eventually I lost my rag just a little and said, “For God sake, babe, your hair looks fine” in a tone designed to try and draw a line under the discussion, which was sapping my will to live by this point.

All of a sudden a rage appeared in her face. Apparently, a man should never, ever use the world ‘fine’ to describe anything about a woman. I got hit with a loud tirade of lines such as “Oh my God, you think I look horrible! Every woman knows that if a man uses the word ‘fine’ it actually means he thinks it looks ugly but he just doesn’t want to admit it! The word ‘fine’ is one of the worst things you can ever say to a girl about her appearance! I can’t believe you would use that word – you’re so insensitive! Every man should know never to use the word ‘fine!’”

Not only was she talking a load of cobblers, she was also choosing to ignore that I’d only used the ‘f’ word after I’d spent an unproductive hour or so using a whole array of much nicer descriptions which had proved a waste of time. Cue her spending the rest of the night sat as far across on the other end of the sofa as she could with her arms crossed while I wondered why I couldn’t just be gay.

Could have been worse - you could have said 'nice'

by Guest Mon 27 Apr 2015, 3:37 pm

dummy_half wrote:
88Chris05 wrote:Reading some of the comments on here has reminded me of a seriously ridiculous argument between me and an ex. Well, as per the title of the thread, it was an argument she had with me for bugger all reason, actually.

She’d had her hair cut, dyed and fancied up, as the ladies do. I genuinely thought that it and her looked really nice, but she wasn’t happy with it. “That bit’s too short, that bit has the wrong colour tone on it, that bit’s too long” and all that jazz. She was all biscuit-arsed about it and saying how awful she looked while I was reassuring her that she and her hair looked great.

On and on I went. “Babe, you look gorgeous. Your hair is lovely. You look a million dollars, I promise you. Stunning. I think it suits you. It’s really nice, you’re looking beautiful.” And so on and so on. I was very patient and must have used every complimentary and positive adjective under the sun to describe her new hair do, but she just wasn’t having it and kept complaining about it, moaning, saying she didn’t want to go out now because of it etc.

So eventually I lost my rag just a little and said, “For God sake, babe, your hair looks fine” in a tone designed to try and draw a line under the discussion, which was sapping my will to live by this point.

All of a sudden a rage appeared in her face. Apparently, a man should never, ever use the world ‘fine’ to describe anything about a woman. I got hit with a loud tirade of lines such as “Oh my God, you think I look horrible! Every woman knows that if a man uses the word ‘fine’ it actually means he thinks it looks ugly but he just doesn’t want to admit it! The word ‘fine’ is one of the worst things you can ever say to a girl about her appearance! I can’t believe you would use that word – you’re so insensitive! Every man should know never to use the word ‘fine!’”

Not only was she talking a load of cobblers, she was also choosing to ignore that I’d only used the ‘f’ word after I’d spent an unproductive hour or so using a whole array of much nicer descriptions which had proved a waste of time. Cue her spending the rest of the night sat as far across on the other end of the sofa as she could with her arms crossed while I wondered why I couldn’t just be gay.

Could have been worse - you could have said 'nice'

Seanmichaels dies a little inside...

by aja424 Thu 30 Apr 2015, 12:57 am

I screwed her mate once.

by Guest Thu 30 Apr 2015, 8:56 am

Did he like it?

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 30 Apr 2015, 11:00 am

That old joke by Bill Hicks................

"If Men could s**k their own c**ks...The human race was die out..."

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