Mitchell V Katsidas II - Yes or No?

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So Kevin Mitchell has called for a rematch with Michael Katsidas. Some might say it's pointless, given how decisive Kats initial victory was, and Kevins claims of personal problems are a smokescreen. Others will say Mitchell had genuine problems and would give a much better account second time out. 

Personally it's a fight I'd like to see. From mitchells perspective it will be a good barometer of where he's at - if he can win it might convince some that the first fight was an off night, if he loses it'll show once and for all he's not world level. For Kats it's a winnable fight and good payday, having been outclassed by Guerrero and Marquez since beating Mitchell it's clear kats has become more of a gatekeeper than a divisional top dog. 

Although Mitchell was stopped early before he was boxing decently in the first two rounds, but he walked into some heavy shots which isn't advisable against katsidas at the best if times - let alone if you're not in good condition (as he claims). 

I don't buy it when fighters give excuses after the fight - they should be left outside the ropes if you're willing to climb through them. But I really think a second fight would be a much closer affair and from kevins perspective a necessary one if he's to go down the world title route because he's certainly not ready for Rios yet and if it transpires he's incapable of beating Kats then he'll never be ready. But I think Mitchell deserves credit, to take the Murray fight after 15 months out was bold, and to call for a rematch with the man who humiliated you shows balls and self belief. Anyone else think there's some mileage in a return bout? If not then who should Mitchell fight?

Scottrf wrote:

Steffan wrote:Mitchell is a good fighter but I think the Kat would blast him out early again if they had a rematch

He'd blast out Gavin Rees too.

Nice try

Gavin who?

Scottrf wrote:

Steffan wrote:Mitchell is a good fighter but I think the Kat would blast him out early again if they had a rematch

He'd blast out Gavin Rees too.

Almost certainly, although somewhat irrelevant.

Debate this without it getting personal please.

Towser are you suggesting Mitchell avoid Katsidis in case a rematch loss would derail Mitchell's world title ambitions? Surely you wouldn't want him to win a title while having avoided the tough challenges, would you..?

Scottrf wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:No, i don't love hyperbole, or superbowl for that matter.
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Brilliant on so many levels.

But mainly because he clearly doesn't know how to pronounce hyperbole?

Towzer - it's 'hi-per-bo-lee', it's where we get 'hype' from i.e. over-exaggeration.

I'd have a lot of respect for Mitchell if he fought Kats again and got the win (probs UD if Kats doesn't get him out of there in 8) especially as Kats is a divisional gate-keeper and decent yardstick. However I'm not sure he has earnt it really, Murray was 1 good win and not as convincing as the beating Mitch took from Kats who has since gone on to fight two of the top operators in the division. For Kats it's a step down, but he may take it, the pay day will be decent.

Get Burns to step up and take him in a domestic bust-up would be the better option for my money.

BALTIMORA wrote:Towser are you suggesting Mitchell avoid Katsidis in case a rematch loss would derail Mitchell's world title ambitions? Surely you wouldn't want him to win a title while having avoided the tough challenges, would you..?

Yes, i would avoid him and fight a champion, erm but did Khan avoid a tough challenge then fight Kotelnik who couldn't break an egg? mmmmm. Mitchell imo should go for Vazquez, if not that then Rios or Burns if Burns moves up, all 3 have titles, it would make the most sense if he could shift 4 lbs and box Burns though. Your saying Mitchell is avoiding challenges if he doesn't fight Katsidis, but that Khan wasnt by moving up when Marquez, Pacquiao held the lightweight titles at the time he moved up? and also left Prescott to move up and fight a solid champ but light hitter.

Don't know why you keep bringing Khan into this

Towzer

Stop using excuses and other boxers career paths to try to validate your point.

Should just take on Rios, i mean in your eyes he's nothing so Kev should have no trouble with him.

Or maybe he'll get slapped around, humiliated and dumped into row 1 by about the 2min mark of round 3.

Shame he's probably not on Rios's radar due to being a nobody though eh

i think Mitchell is a small LW and Kats despite being easy to hit will come forward all night, but having said that i think the rematch is a good move if only because Kats has gone nowhere since Mitchell and it would be entertaining

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What you're saying Towser is that Mitchell should duck Katsidis, which would devalue any title Mitchell may win. Well done.

BALTIMORA wrote:What you're saying Towser is that Mitchell should duck Katsidis, which would devalue any title Mitchell may win. Well done.

No i'm not, i'd be all for a fight if Kev wins a world title, so your saying Khan's world title wins are devalued by not fighting Prescott who absolutely obliterated him within a minute? well done. You really are 1 rule for Khan and another for Mitchell, you don't see the sensible and bigger picture, honest.

Also largely depends on what Guerrero does after Maidana while I also doubt that Marquez will get stripped of his title which would leave travelling to fight for a title against Soto or Rios which doesn't fit in with the Warren way. Khans title didn't mean a lot until he proved himself but why you insist on bringing up all the time is beyond me, this is about Mitchell not him

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Stop using excuses and other boxers career paths to try to validate your point.

Should just take on Rios, i mean in your eyes he's nothing so Kev should have no trouble with him.

Or maybe he'll get slapped around, humiliated and dumped into row 1 by about the 2min mark of round 3.

Shame he's probably not on Rios's radar due to being a nobody though eh

I'd love him to fight Rios, it's a winnable fight. Kev's a nobody but Antillon is?
I aint making excuses i don't need to you are saying he should fight Katsidis but Khan avoided Prescott and moved up imo. As put above, 1 rule for Khan and another for Mitchell, Rios is nothing at all special i'd love that fight for Mitchell, and for winning some money, i already got a good wage off the bookies saturday, would love that again.

Antillon was a better known fighter than Mitchell, he's only a 3 time title challenger isn't he

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Also largely depends on what Guerrero does after Maidana while I also doubt that Marquez will get stripped of his title which would leave travelling to fight for a title against Soto or Rios which doesn't fit in with the Warren way. Khans title didn't mean a lot until he proved himself but why you insist on bringing up all the time is beyond me, this is about Mitchell not him

Soto's moving up, he would of been a good fight as well, but i heard he's moving up on a website the other day, i insist on bringing it up because a few of you' on here seem to think he HAS to fight Katsidis, no he doesn't, Khan never fought Prescott and has proven he's a quality fighter, i believe Mitchell can prove himself without fighting Katsidis, that's why i mentioned it, don't say he has to fight a world operator when Khan didnt even fight a so called not world class operator who iced him quicker than you can knock up a rustlers burger. It's hypocritical

Young_Towzer wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Stop using excuses and other boxers career paths to try to validate your point.

Should just take on Rios, i mean in your eyes he's nothing so Kev should have no trouble with him.

Or maybe he'll get slapped around, humiliated and dumped into row 1 by about the 2min mark of round 3.

Shame he's probably not on Rios's radar due to being a nobody though eh

I'd love him to fight Rios, it's a winnable fight. Kev's a nobody but Antillon is?
I aint making excuses i don't need to you are saying he should fight Katsidis but Khan avoided Prescott and moved up imo. As put above, 1 rule for Khan and another for Mitchell, Rios is nothing at all special i'd love that fight for Mitchell, and for winning some money, i already got a good wage off the bookies saturday, would love that again.

Mate Murray caught Mitchell with relative ease on Saturday and it was close after 6 rounds. Rios would walk through Murray on a day off. Mitchell would need to improve a hell of a lot from Saturday to beat Rios. If Rios caught Mitchell like Murray did on Saturday Mitchell wouldn't see the 6th round.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Antillon was a better known fighter than Mitchell, he's only a 3 time title challenger isn't he

That means nothing, he never won none of them and has beat nobody, jesus, Ednar Cherry has challenged twice, Ngoudjo twice, and who are they, Mitchell's twice the fighter Antillon is, i think he will be on Rios' radar, i don;t think Frank Warren would make up being in talks with Arum.

prettyboykev wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Stop using excuses and other boxers career paths to try to validate your point.

Should just take on Rios, i mean in your eyes he's nothing so Kev should have no trouble with him.

Or maybe he'll get slapped around, humiliated and dumped into row 1 by about the 2min mark of round 3.

Shame he's probably not on Rios's radar due to being a nobody though eh

I'd love him to fight Rios, it's a winnable fight. Kev's a nobody but Antillon is?
I aint making excuses i don't need to you are saying he should fight Katsidis but Khan avoided Prescott and moved up imo. As put above, 1 rule for Khan and another for Mitchell, Rios is nothing at all special i'd love that fight for Mitchell, and for winning some money, i already got a good wage off the bookies saturday, would love that again.

Mate Murray caught Mitchell with relative ease on Saturday and it was close after 6 rounds. Rios would walk through Murray on a day off. Mitchell would need to improve a hell of a lot from Saturday to beat Rios. If Rios caught Mitchell like Murray did on Saturday Mitchell wouldn't see the 6th round.

I agree that he needs to sort his defence out, i think he would approach a Rios fight with the movement of the Prescott fight, who is far quicker and hits harder imo, but would get his fast shots in and in no way at all be scared to come forward and ping the slow Yank, and so he shouldn't be scared, i've never seen such a beatable slow world champ for years. Rios aint Pacquiao or Whittaker at avoiding punches, he's hugely hyped and overrated and makes too many mistakes and is painfully slow. I said when Burns fought Martinez he'd school him, i say the same about Mitchell with him, i won't say anything to please the so called experts on here, i speak my mind, Mitchell at his best will beat Rios, he's better in every department apart from chin, but his chin aint glass, he will beat Rios imo, like i say kev i couldn't care less who agrees/disagrees.

You must be very naive then if you believe everything that Warren says, being a 3 time title challenger shows that he's at world level, took Soto very close and were it not for the point deduction would have got a draw but again your right he's useless. Rios is looking to build himself up in America and just don't see what a fight with Mitchell offers him, a relatively easy defence against someone not known in America.

Young_Towzer wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Stop using excuses and other boxers career paths to try to validate your point.

Should just take on Rios, i mean in your eyes he's nothing so Kev should have no trouble with him.

Or maybe he'll get slapped around, humiliated and dumped into row 1 by about the 2min mark of round 3.

Shame he's probably not on Rios's radar due to being a nobody though eh

I'd love him to fight Rios, it's a winnable fight. Kev's a nobody but Antillon is?
I aint making excuses i don't need to you are saying he should fight Katsidis but Khan avoided Prescott and moved up imo. As put above, 1 rule for Khan and another for Mitchell, Rios is nothing at all special i'd love that fight for Mitchell, and for winning some money, i already got a good wage off the bookies saturday, would love that again.

Mate Murray caught Mitchell with relative ease on Saturday and it was close after 6 rounds. Rios would walk through Murray on a day off. Mitchell would need to improve a hell of a lot from Saturday to beat Rios. If Rios caught Mitchell like Murray did on Saturday Mitchell wouldn't see the 6th round.

I agree that he needs to sort his defence out, i think he would approach a Rios fight with the movement of the Prescott fight, who is far quicker and hits harder imo, but would get his fast counters in and in no way at all be scared to come forward and ping the slow Yank, and so he shouldn't be scared, i've never seen such a beatable slow world champ for years. Rios aint Pacquiao or Whittaker at avoiding punches, he's hugely hyped and overrated and makes too many mistakes and is painfully slow. I said when Burns fought Martinez he'd school him, i say the same about Mitchell with him, i won't say anything to please the so called experts on here, i speak my mind, Mitchell at his best will beat Rios, he's better in every department apart from chin, but his chin aint glass, he will beat Rios imo, like i say kev i couldn't care less who agrees/disagrees.

I don't totally disagree. Mitchell is definitely the more skilled of the 2 but Rios isn't as crude as Murray and can hit harder. Murray never had the power to properly put Mitchell in trouble Rios does. If Kev boxed him at range at kept on his toes he would win a wide UD for me the problem is if he tries to trade like he did with Murray at times Rios would come out better that's his game not Mitchells

Towzer

Would you be prepared to say (if Rios ever fought Mitchell) you'd be willing to take a bet that Mitchell beats Rios and whoever loses has their account blocked (by request to admin) for a month?

I'm backing Rios, c'mon little one

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Would you be prepared to say (if Rios ever fought Mitchell) you'd be willing to take a bet that Mitchell beats Rios and whoever loses has their account blocked (by request to admin) for a month?

I'm backing Rios, c'mon little one

Sorry Coxy but I would need to back Mitchell if that was the case.

I'll match you on that Coxy

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I'll match you on that Coxy

I'll match that and raise you by offering to eat my own foot if Mitchell were to win!!

I'll raise you eating my own face

Imperial Ghosty wrote:You must be very naive then if you believe everything that Warren says, being a 3 time title challenger shows that he's at world level, took Soto very close and were it not for the point deduction would have got a draw but again your right he's useless. Rios is looking to build himself up in America and just don't see what a fight with Mitchell offers him, a relatively easy defence against someone not known in America.

No, i never said he's useless, i said being a 3 time world title challenger without winning a title means nothing, Ngoudjo and Cherry have boxed twice for titles, and not won which means little, Antillon isn't in Mitchell's league imo.

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Would you be prepared to say (if Rios ever fought Mitchell) you'd be willing to take a bet that Mitchell beats Rios and whoever loses has their account blocked (by request to admin) for a month?

I'm backing Rios, c'mon little one

Honestly, yes, get windy/oxring/fistsoffury to back me up here
I will bet that if Kevin Mitchell boxes Brandon Rios, he'll win and if he doesn't win you can block my 606v2 for 3 months, cover that please. Now coxy i know you want me off here, i'm going nowhere, but i'll bet you that.

Young_Towzer wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Would you be prepared to say (if Rios ever fought Mitchell) you'd be willing to take a bet that Mitchell beats Rios and whoever loses has their account blocked (by request to admin) for a month?

I'm backing Rios, c'mon little one

Honestly, yes, get windy/oxring/fistsoffury to back me up here
I will bet that if Kevin Mitchell boxes Brandon Rios, he'll win and if he doesn't win you can block my 606v2 for 3 months, cover that please. Now coxy i know you want me off here, i'm going nowhere, but i'll bet you that.

If the fight gets made i'll start a preview thread for it and we can go official on there. Think of it as an online press conference.

Towser, why do you have every excuse under the sun for Mitchell? You've admitted you'd want him to avoid Katsidis in case he lost again and lost his chance at another title fight!

Being a three-time title challenger DOES mean something. It means that despite losing, that fighter has put himself back in contention. It means he's been consistent at a certain level.

Climb off Mitchell's wang will you, and for Christ's sake learn the difference between 'HAVE' and 'OF'!!

Young_Towzer wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:You must be very naive then if you believe everything that Warren says, being a 3 time title challenger shows that he's at world level, took Soto very close and were it not for the point deduction would have got a draw but again your right he's useless. Rios is looking to build himself up in America and just don't see what a fight with Mitchell offers him, a relatively easy defence against someone not known in America.

No, i never said he's useless, i said being a 3 time world title challenger without winning a title means nothing, Ngoudjo and Cherry have boxed twice for titles, and not won which means little, Antillon isn't in Mitchell's league imo.

Not saying he's in Mitchells league but he's better than anyone he's beaten

BALTIMORA wrote:Towser, why do you have every excuse under the sun for Mitchell? You've admitted you'd want him to avoid Katsidis in case he lost again and lost his chance at another title fight!

Being a three-time title challenger DOES mean something. It means that despite losing, that fighter has put himself back in contention. It means he's been consistent at a certain level.

Climb off Mitchell's wang will you, and for Christ's sake learn the difference between 'HAVE' and 'OF'!!

Who made excuses? i said he lost the fight fair and square, but would win a rematch, do us a favour will you, find where i've said Katsidis didn't do what he had to do and fair play to him, if he had a title i'd be all for it, until then i hope Kevin fights for a title, Francis Warren put on twitter earlier about Vazquez, that makes perfect sense. Limited champ.

coxy0001 wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Towzer

Would you be prepared to say (if Rios ever fought Mitchell) you'd be willing to take a bet that Mitchell beats Rios and whoever loses has their account blocked (by request to admin) for a month?

I'm backing Rios, c'mon little one

Honestly, yes, get windy/oxring/fistsoffury to back me up here
I will bet that if Kevin Mitchell boxes Brandon Rios, he'll win and if he doesn't win you can block my 606v2 for 3 months, cover that please. Now coxy i know you want me off here, i'm going nowhere, but i'll bet you that.

If the fight gets made i'll start a preview thread for it and we can go official on there. Think of it as an online press conference.

As long as Hero don't invite Tony Bellew over from twitter we can all sleep easy