England vs India 1st test debate

by Liam_Main Wed 20 Jul 2011, 7:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

England side:

1) Andrew Strauss (C)
2) Alistair Cook
3) Jonathan Trott
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Ian Bell
6) Eoin Morgan
7) Matt Prior (WK)
8) Stuart Broad
9) Graeme Swann
10) Chris Tremlett
11) James Anderson

India side.

1) Abhinav Makund
2) Gautam Gambhir
3) Rahul Dravid (WK)
4) Sachin Tendulkar
5) VVS Laxman
6) Suresh Raina
7) MS Dhoni (C)
8) Harbhajan Singh
9) Zaheer Khan
10) Praveen Kumar
11) Ishant Sharma

Should be a terrific match and series!

My Prediction: England to win

Series Prediction: 1-1

C'mon England!

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:03 pm

by eirebilly Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:03 pm

Cant be bothered posting on here anymore.
The debate has gone sour again.

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:04 pm

Agree on Bell. To call him technically inept is to have no idea about batting.

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:04 pm

eirebilly wrote:Cant be bothered posting on here anymore.
The debate has gone sour again.

it's a shame Billy. I'm feeling the same. if it just becomes a home for sour wums i won't bother anymore.

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:05 pm

eirebilly wrote:Cant be bothered posting on here anymore.
The debate has gone sour again.

mate dont worry about it, we will just ignore him now Smile

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:06 pm

LeBron's Homie wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
LeBron's Homie wrote:Everyone complains that India object to the ball tracking system, yet a simple catch isn't given by a clueless umpire.

The standard of poor umpiring is the only reason UDRS is needed.

Exactly, a proper ball tracking system and 3D camera technology could have made a clear decision on the catch.
Youre very biased to say it was a clear catch though, the fielders umpire and review officals werrent certain it was a catch. How can you tell it was a clear catch if the review official cant?
There is technology in existance that could have made a convincing decision.

It was wrong to say its an umpiring mistake. The umpire in this case had no way of seeing if it was a clean ctach so asked teh 4th umpire to review. Looking at the review he couldnt see any clear evidence it was a catch. Benefit of the doubt where theres no convincing evidence, without the reveiw system the same thing would have happened. With 3D high resolution high frame rate cameras and ball tracking we MIGHT have had a different decision, or we MIGHT have had clear evidence that it was grounded.

When it comes to lbws the same applies. You will get more evidence to base the decision on with it than without it. And the better the technology used the better the information the umpires have to base their decisions on and the less whinging there is on borderline calls.

Didn't see great umpires the Dickie Bird and David Sheppard make silly mistakes.

Money has gone to these modern day umpires heads

You obviously didnt see Dickie Bird much then, he was a law unto himslef and didnt believe in lbws. Hawkeye showed a lot of umpireing which was based purely on rules of thumb and myths was incorrect.
Its also shwon that most, even marginal, calls umpires now make are correct. Even "the problem" Harper had a 96% correct call rate against India.

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:07 pm

lol i watched something earlier, and dickie bird gave a number of 50-50's

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:12 pm

i think ipl has something to do with khan's injury as, he played all that one day cricket, and hasnt bowled in a f/c game since january

by liverbnz Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:15 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:i think ipl has something to do with khan's injury as, he played all that one day cricket, and hasnt bowled in a f/c game since january

The extra timber he's carrying won't have done him any favours either. Smile

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:16 pm

He doesn't look in good shape at all, truth be told.

by LeBron's Homie Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:18 pm

Zaheer suffered an ankle injury towards the end of the IPL, therefore he wouldn't have been training for the past 6-8 weeks.

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:22 pm

Then why play someone who's had little preparation time? You need a team that is fully fit, something he wasn't. Wasn't like he got much action at Taunton either.

Very questionable by India, in my opinion.

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:23 pm

needs a good 6 weeks of cricket to get fit and then come back. probably needs a few weeks for the hamstring first though.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:24 pm

Sainty wrote:Then why play someone who's had little preparation time? You need a team that is fully fit, something he wasn't. Wasn't like he got much action at Taunton either.

Very questionable by India, in my opinion.

Because hes by far their best bowler, and they knew Strauss has trouble with him. Till he pulled up it looked a no brainer, even short of game time he was pretty lethal in those conditions.
But yes a poor decision to play someone short of fitness and not fully recovered.

Snicko showed the hotspot call was correct, bat onto pad.

by Dr Ironshaft Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:26 pm

Sainty wrote:Then why play someone who's had little preparation time? You need a team that is fully fit, something he wasn't. Wasn't like he got much action at Taunton either.

Very questionable by India, in my opinion.

The player had to front up if he wasn't right. Fletcher would not have gambled. Perhaps getting his name on the board was more important than a team victory?

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:32 pm

Just starting to get a sense of England accelerating. India really need a wicket now.

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:33 pm

Pietersen on 96.

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:36 pm

Pietersen seems to be playing with a pickaxe handle from what I can hear!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:38 pm

Sainty wrote:Pietersen on 96.

oh well thats him out then :P

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:39 pm

Kumar vs Bell and Trott: Seems Kumar has a very nice change of pace as well as the ability to swing it both ways.
Tidy little bowler.

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:43 pm

Drinks came with Pietersen loitering on 98.

Crikey!

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:45 pm

Vaughan just cursed KP by talking of this as one of KPs best hundreds, still on 98. eeep. Shocked

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:46 pm

Yaay! Well played KP. Yahoo

by Raymond Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:46 pm

Very well played KP great innings, dug in deep. Best 100 I have seen him get.

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:46 pm

A driven 4 brings him a century!

Very brave knock coming from 216 balls!

clap

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:47 pm

Cowshot wrote:Vaughan just cursed KP by talking of this as one of KPs best hundreds, still on 98. eeep.

Right after he had swung and missed!

But there he goes. Blowers going mental banging on about gladiators, Vaughn acting like hes never critisized KP.

by eirebilly Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:48 pm

Well done KP clap

India well under it now.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:49 pm

Cowshot wrote:Kumar vs Bell and Trott: Seems Kumar has a very nice change of pace as well as the ability to swing it both ways.
Tidy little bowler.

Kumar defiantly a good pick for this tour, hes still been getting that swing today. Its nice to see a comeback for classic medium pace bowling. The attack would have good balance if it werent for Zahers injury.

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:50 pm

Damn! Bell lapse of concentration? Or just a very good ball, or both?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:50 pm

Good lad, games back on now.

by Guest Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:51 pm

Kumar strikes!

Bell gone for 45, damnit Peter, you jinx!

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:52 pm

personally i think if you get up near 300 having been put in at Lords in bad conditions by the worlds number one team then you'd probably be reasonably happy.

by eirebilly Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:53 pm

Still a good innings from Bell.

In comes Moggs. I am still not convinced by hime at test level. This will be a big day for him.

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:54 pm

Billy!! you did it again boy.

OK then.. reverse time. India are the best in the world, cannot lose now and will clean up the rest for ten runs.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:54 pm

OK Kumar you can stop proving my point now!

Massive for India

by liverbnz Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:54 pm

eirebilly wrote:Still a good innings from Bell.

In comes Moggs. I am still not convinced by hime at test level. This will be a big day for him.

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:54 pm

Bell does get in and out too often. Great talent but seems to lapse in concentration.

by alfie Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:55 pm

Well played KP

Might have struggled at times but 100 is 100...might keep the critics off your back for a while...

And now with a new partner ! Good innings from Bell anyway...very handy partnership

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:55 pm

Morgan via the revolving door. That's 600 gone. Blast. Oh well.

With a bit of swing around, Kumar causing real problems!

by eirebilly Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:56 pm

Christ, i hate being right sometimes Sad

.

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:57 pm

oh i was right.. shambles england.

if you got 380 after being put in then they'd not feel too get about having put you in and wasted it. but now? they will be dancing and singing.

by trebellbobaggins Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:58 pm

yep since the clouds came it's been game on india.

they will be getting two days of sun to bat in.

only india can win this now.

england needed 500 to have a sniff against them.

by liverbnz Fri 22 Jul 2011, 2:59 pm

Morgan unlucky there it seems.

by eirebilly Fri 22 Jul 2011, 3:00 pm

Pretty decent from Mogs, some batsmen might have refered that and he may have been given not out.
I think that he honestly felt that he knicked that.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 3:01 pm

Big test for Prior. Its importnat for him to stay in here for when the frontline bowlers get tired. If he can get in hes capable of realy punishing the part timers, but Kumar is still looking threatening right now.

Interesting discussion on TMS that Morgan should have reviewed the catch.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 3:02 pm

eirebilly wrote:Pretty decent from Mogs, some batsmen might have refered that and he may have been given not out.
I think that he honestly felt that he knicked that.

Suggestionj is he thought he was given out lbw, which would have been a poor decision but he couldnt review it.

by Cowshot Fri 22 Jul 2011, 3:03 pm

I'm not sure we can judge much about Morgan from that. Sounds like he got a good one early...

....or what?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 3:04 pm

Cowshot wrote:I'm not sure we can judge much about Morgan from that. Sounds like he got a good one early...

....or what?

He was given out incorrectly.

So judge the umpire...wheres Lebron? censored

by eirebilly Fri 22 Jul 2011, 3:04 pm

Ok, cheers for that Peter. He could have asked what he was given out for and then still referred it though..

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Jul 2011, 3:06 pm

eirebilly wrote:Ok, cheers for that Peter. He could have asked what he was given out for and then still referred it though..

Yep. Talk on TMS is that he just messed up and perhaps didnt understand the rules, or maybe he felt it was so clear he hadnt hit it it just didnt dawn on him to ask.
Either way both the umpire and Morgan made a mistake there.

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