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Post by Liam_Main Wed 20 Jul 2011, 7:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

England side:

1) Andrew Strauss (C)
2) Alistair Cook
3) Jonathan Trott
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Ian Bell
6) Eoin Morgan
7) Matt Prior (WK)
8) Stuart Broad
9) Graeme Swann
10) Chris Tremlett
11) James Anderson

India side.

1) Abhinav Makund
2) Gautam Gambhir
3) Rahul Dravid (WK)
4) Sachin Tendulkar
5) VVS Laxman
6) Suresh Raina
7) MS Dhoni (C)
8) Harbhajan Singh
9) Zaheer Khan
10) Praveen Kumar
11) Ishant Sharma

Should be a terrific match and series!

My Prediction: England to win

Series Prediction: 1-1

C'mon England! OK


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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:31 pm

350 is a must

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:32 pm

Sure doesnt Broad always score runs in these situations?
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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:33 pm

well he's gona have to now

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:34 pm

Come on Broady
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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:35 pm

All of England is behind you Broady....and Pakistan.

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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:36 pm

we bat all the way down, everyone can bat a bit so....

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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:37 pm

four for prior, lead goes past 300 Smile

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:40 pm

I think that its more about consuming time here instead of runs. England have already a decent lead but they wont want to give India enough time and overs to get it.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 2:41 pm

I think there's roughly 155 overs left in the game, 2 will be lost because of the changeover.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:01 pm

surely with old smashers and the likes you need 400 for them to question winning at all Billy?

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:02 pm

or you need to take time out of the game.

4 sessions and 400 would at least be something they'l have to work for.

anyone know the what's considered a good fourth innings target at Lords?

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:03 pm

I think that if Ebgland hold out for at least another half a session then the will be in a very strong position trebbs
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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:03 pm

9 runs off that over - lead is now up to 326!

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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:06 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:or you need to take time out of the game.

4 sessions and 400 would at least be something they'l have to work for.

anyone know the what's considered a good fourth innings target at Lords?

Highest ever 4th innings score at Lords was 406 a/o for Australia during the 09 Ashes. Highest 4th innings score for India at Lords is 397 a/o which was in 2002.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:08 pm

That would seem reasonably Billy.

Been a poor day.

The only positive is that they at least have a lead and the bowlers can see there is something in this pitch.

What is the highest total India chased down in their recent Windies tour?

Forecast is nice for tomorrow so looks like they'll be chasing under their favourite conditions.

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Post by LivinginItaly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:09 pm

Lucky broad 4 between wk and 1st slip

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:10 pm

oh dear.. so it's Indias game then.

Hard to imagine how any team can mess it up so badly from such a good position but if anyone can, our boys can. it's been a speciality for decades.

to get 406 i'm guessing the Aussies had a long time to bat and a lot of runs to chase?

I vaguely recall it now, we were pretty worried they were winning it and then finally broke.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:14 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:oh dear.. so it's Indias game then.

to get 406 i'm guessing the Aussies had a long time to bat and a lot of runs to chase?

I vaguely recall it now, we were pretty worried they were winning it and then finally broke.

Yeah they needed 522 off of nearly 2 full days of cricket. We eventually bowled them out on Day Five but it was close.

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:19 pm

Sure now didnt i say that Broad gets runs in these situations Wink

That will be him out soon Sad
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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:21 pm

Gambhir might be a bit hurt there...shame.

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:21 pm

OUCH Gautam Gambhir, gets hit. That looks nasty
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Post by dyrewolfe Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:22 pm

Back again. Amazing Grand Prix...that's all I'll say in case anyone is watching the highlights later.

Mightily relieved to see Prior and Broad have come to England's rescue and patched up the sinking ship. Bravo lads! clap

Maybe...just maybe we can still win this...
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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:25 pm

With the lead approaching 350. England are again getting themselves into the box seat
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Post by Gregers Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:25 pm

Grand prix was good dyre.

Prior saving England here, but poor Gambir that was awful

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:28 pm

Its really sad for India, they are falling like fly's to injury and illness.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:32 pm

50 for Matty Prior clap The best keeper we've had since Alex Stewart.

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Post by GSC Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:33 pm

Lead looks a lot better if Gambhir can't bat. Not sure if Tendulkar could open if he missed time?
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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:34 pm

What a fantastic 50 from Prior under these circumstances.
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Post by GSC Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:34 pm

The type of innings I wasn't convinced Prior could deliver. Great 50 just when we needed it. If he can kick on and get the lead to 450+ plus just after tea we're in luck.
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Post by Gregers Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:34 pm

Brilliant from Prior, true Sussex grit there

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:36 pm

This lead is looking much better now.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:39 pm

I must say that is really good from MP. This situation was set-up for the whole pack to fold like they used to and he showed some real spine and character.

It's still too low at the moment, looking at those records i guess India will be confident of anything less than 400 but at least it starts to giver the bowlers something to bowl at.

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Post by eirebilly Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:41 pm

Broad has more than held his own in this partnership as well. His contribution has helped Prior immensly.
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Post by GSC Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:42 pm

They had something to bowl at before we started batting. Now 2 of their batsmen will be less than 100%
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:43 pm

both fair points.

If 402 is the highest ever here then i suspect 400 is might be considered a reasonable challenge even for the worlds best.



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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:45 pm

i dont relle no why india are world no1....

dhoni is defensive captain, harbajhan is defensive spinner, and they rely on only a few of their players

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:48 pm

I agree with Beefy... tomorrow will be thrilling. I bet Swann has a blinder.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:49 pm

Not having much luck on that score, are they eirebilly? Wonder if they'll have to call up replacemnets for the 2nd Test?

England's lead 362 at tea...a bit short of what I predicted, but then I wasn't expecting the collapse. Would think only another 50-60 is required before the declaration.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:49 pm

india really do have health problems here.

Botham and Holding think Eng need 420. Well, they say 420 would put it out of sight for India.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:50 pm

44 overs left today and 3 hours of play. Bat for about 75 minutes and declare?

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Post by GSC Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:51 pm

I suspect Strauss will want 450+.
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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 3:56 pm

evening session about to start Smile

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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:01 pm

Out comes Sachin. All of India rises to their feet.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:02 pm

I doubt Eng could get that high with the way India have been bowling.

and they've run out of the kind of batsmen that can really give it a whack after Prior.

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Post by GSC Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:03 pm

Swanny can hit it if needed.
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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:05 pm

india's fielding at best, has been mediocre...

4 overthrows, sharma didnt look impressed

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Post by dyrewolfe Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:05 pm

Good steady 50 from Prior - a birt more restrained than usual (just the 2 boundaries). Lets hope Broad can match him.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:05 pm

That's 6 runs off the opening over after tea - the lead is now a vast 368.

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Post by Guest Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:06 pm

lol harbajhan match figures

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no udrs Whistle

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