5th Test - Oval, Weds 21st August

[trebellbobaggins]

Aus has made something out of nothing.
Moment of Truth for Eng
Rubber meets the road

if they fail to get close....i.e within 30 runs of winning..then they are as many believe simply lucky and going down the hill.

If they even for once think they will get bowled out in 40 odd overs......then it's already a moral defeat.

What a load of old rubbish.

If they fail to get close in a test match because Aussie don't give them anything and have good fields it means nothing of the sort

1/10. Troll harder.

[dyrewolfe]

Okay! Australia declare on 111-6, leaving England to chase 227 off 44 overs.

Quite do-able you would think...unless Australia bowl and defend ultra-defensively, rather than try to take wickets.

You also have to think England will not bat too aggressively as they have nothing to gain by throwing their wickets away.

[alfie]

Aus has made something out of nothing.
Moment of Truth for Eng
Rubber meets the road

if they fail to get close....i.e within 30 runs of winning..then they are as many believe simply lucky and going down the hill.

If they even for once think they will get bowled out in 40 odd overs......then it's already a moral defeat.

Oh come on , KP_fan ...

Even for you ,that is a stretch.

Why would they chase five plus per over knowing the fielding team could put everyone on the fence and bowl wide outside off stump if they seriously threatened ? What would they gain by "getting within 30 runs" ?

You can do better...

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So England need to score quicker in these 44 overs than the Aussies just did in their 23 over slog.

Don't see it happening

[trebellbobaggins]

KP fans fragile veneer of not trolling fell off completely there.

Build the lad a bridge.

[Duty281]

KP_Fan writing more drivel I see.

Pretty clear how this will shape up. Both teams will start by going for the win. If England do well in the first 10-15 overs, Australia will shut up shop, and vice-versa.

Draw remains the favourite result. Wonder if super Kev will open?

[KP_fan]

precisely the situation Ind as No.1 team enouncteretd against WI a 40 odd over chase in the last test with series already won.

and India played out a draw

and a lot of criticism was there for lack of intent, killer instict not worthy of a top slot......and duly the crash started thereafter.


It's Really a moment of truth on how Eng see themselves as a team....dead defensive situationally lucky

OR
True Champions

[trebellbobaggins]

England's openers have had such struggles... It's possible Aussie are favourites now!

[mystiroakey]

I think we should go for it- we have a sniff. Yes they have pushed us in to it. But lets have a crack. It is only a game after all.

[KP_fan]

KP_Fan writing more drivel I see.

Ha Ha TReally...am I the only one seeting this exepczttaion.

Half of Eng all of Aus and better part of rtest of cricketing world would be aligned with me

[trebellbobaggins]

No KP is right,

Win or lose We should hand Aussie the ashes.  They have battered this side and are THE TRUE CHAMPIONS.

[KP_fan]

Tch Tch...no KP......first round of moral battles already won by Aus

[trebellbobaggins]

KP_Fan writing more drivel I see.

 

Ha Ha TReally...am I the only one seeting this exepczttaion.

Half of Eng all of Aus and better part of rtest of cricketing worlds mental homes would be aligned with me

True.

[Corporalhumblebucket]

Kp ha ha!

[Duty281]

I think we should go for it- we have a sniff. Yes they have pushed us in to it. But lets have a crack. It is only a game after all.

Well we could try, but say we get to 60/0 after 10 overs, then Australia can just throw the ball wide of off-stump and put as many fielders on the boundary as they like. Incredibly unlikely to get a result from this game for either team.

[Duty281]

KP_Fan writing more drivel I see.

 

Ha Ha TReally...am I the only one seeting this exepczttaion.

Half of Eng all of Aus and better part of rtest of cricketing worlds mental homes would be aligned with me

True.

In la-la land perhaps.  

[trebellbobaggins]

Exactly duty.

[KP_fan]

should open with Lyon on onside and have starc and harris going flat out

[mystiroakey]

we have to look at in stages.. at 10 overs we rethink exactly as Beefy is saying.

we will know if we have given it a go or not

[Duty281]

8 off the first over!

On to the urn we go, e-i-e-i-o!

[mystiroakey]

way to high but good ball

[alfie]

So we did get a tea declaration...fair enough. He couldn't wait any longer without making a mockery of the whole second innings. Think they are far enough ahead to be safe , unless England get off to a racing start...

I dare say the batsmen will look to score against attacking fields , without taking silly risks ...then reassess if they manage to establish a good platform.

But I think both sides are a hour or so short of a serious chance.

[mystiroakey]

It will be good to see Rooty starting of with intent for once., He has been very slow starting last few tests

[mystiroakey]

Well I cant see aus getting a sniff of a win.

We have root cook and KP that can score at a rate that is good enough to win- but if they are all out within 100 we have to shut up shot with bell and trott and co

[mystiroakey]

jeas we were 300/1 win this game on betfair at one point!!

I thought about it but i thought it wasn't good enough value!! we are approx 4/1 at the moment . Didn't realise aus would capitulate with this ludicrous decision. I seriously don't think they can win this- only a draw or england win is on the cards IMO.

[Duty281]

jeas we were 300/1 win this game on betfair at one point!!

I thought about it but i thought it wasn't good enough value!! we are approx 4/1 at the moment . Didn't realise aus would capitulate with this ludicrous decision. I seriously don't think they can win this- only a draw or england win is on the cards IMO.

I agree.

[mystiroakey]

root gone.

now if kp goes soon its a draw.

but kp is going to go for it! 100% so its all about him

[Duty281]

Oops. Root slashes at a wide-one, bit of a tempter. 22/1.

Haddin gets a record as well.  

[KP_fan]

good to see Root show intent while he lasted
will they shut shop now...or keep trying

[Duty281]

Out comes Trotty to steady the ship. Good call, and then reassess in a few overs.

[mystiroakey]

oh come on- why trott!!

Go for plan a first- then just 100% draw and plan b if kp goes!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Problem with this pitch is that it's not coming onto the bat at all, and hasn't done

[Duty281]

Shot by Trott! 200 to go.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

oh come on- why trott!!

Go for plan a first- then just 100% draw and plan b if kp goes!

T20 Trotty Myst  

[mystiroakey]

Brilliant stuff-Warner with his over throws.. We love gifts!

[dyrewolfe]

Okay - not the best start with Root falling early.

Trott to drop anchor and give Cook license to play his shots?

200 needed with 9 wickets in hand. This could be interesting...

[mystiroakey]

well played trotty- keeping up with the rate well

[Duty281]

The crowd are certainly enjoying themselves at any rate.

Oh dear, Warne back in the commentary box. Mute button, anyone?

[KP_fan]

so far Eng meet expectations...stung by criticism

[alfie]

Thought they would stick with Trott at three. He can score briskly enough against new ball fields...and KP is the only one who could sore at ten an over later in the highly unlikely case that the target was still in sight over the last hour.

If England ever look remotely likely to challenge we will soon see nine on the fence etc... Not that I would complain ...frankly Australia don't deserve to lose this one. I just don't think they quite deserve to win it either.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Cook and Trott to see us through to 20 overs left at this sort of rate, then have a bosh I reckon is the plan.

[alfie]

so far Eng meet expectations...stung by criticism

Doesn't matter what England do , you will be having a sneer , eh ?

Pity you bother with this stuff ...you obviously have a decent knowledge of the game , which you show when you write quite interesting summaries. But the urge to troll a bit is strong ...

Guess it gives us someone to have a go back at  

[Duty281]

Exactly that Olly. Plenty of aggressive stroke-makers in the middle and lower order to see England home. Possibly.

[KP_fan]

so far Eng meet expectations...stung by criticism

Doesn't matter what England do , you will be having a sneer , eh ?

Pity you bother with this stuff ...you obviously have a decent knowledge of the game , which you show when you write quite interesting summaries.  But the urge to troll a bit is strong ...

Guess it gives us someone to have a go back at  

you would like to hear what you would like to hear.
Unfortunately I write it as I see it......
Prior and Swann's batting this morning gave the first evidences of reacting to "stung by criticism"

[Duty281]

180 to go, and England are enjoying the conclusion to their best Test summer since 2011.

[mystiroakey]

Clarke has proved in being a decent tv show director but as a captain.. erm.. bad move this..

All good for us england fans though..

[Duty281]

so far Eng meet expectations...stung by criticism

Doesn't matter what England do , you will be having a sneer , eh ?

Pity you bother with this stuff ...you obviously have a decent knowledge of the game , which you show when you write quite interesting summaries.  But the urge to troll a bit is strong ...

Guess it gives us someone to have a go back at  

you would like to hear what you would like to hear.
Unfortunately I write it as I see it......
Prior and Swann's batting  this morning gave the first evidences of reacting to "stung by criticism"

England would have batted like that whether or not there was criticism.

Nice pull by Trotty to bring up England's 50, and more good running takes it to 53.

[KP_fan]

if Eng need 90 in the last 15 overs......and have about 6 or more wickets.....in hand they would be in the game.

Trott's second hook confirms the intent to win

[dyrewolfe]

Good positive stuff from Trott, finding the boundary on a few occasions and keeping the run rate close to the required rate.

53-1 with 32 overs remaining. Both Trott and Cook now in the 20s.

[KP_fan]

actually I see the fans of Eng on this forum were more negative about their team's chances and intent before the start of this inning....then their team turned out to be.

Pre-Emptive defense

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