The Irish Open

by Davie Thu 28 Jul 2011, 7:39 am

First topic message reminder :

Don't have time to write anything like a Kwini-esque preview, but I thought there may be some discussion to be had over the next few days

C'mon GMac!

by kwinigolfer Fri 29 Jul 2011, 2:13 am

Perhaps they'll get Townsend to commentate on Tiger's group next week; will he criticise Byron Bell? You know he wouldn't dare.

But let's just hope Tiger and Rory aren't paired together.

by Smile Fri 29 Jul 2011, 5:16 am

Townsend has every right to critcise.
From Rory's viewpoint. He has every right to bite back. Storm in a tea cup comes to mind.

by Diggers Fri 29 Jul 2011, 8:12 am

The problem for me with McIlroys comments are that they are a bit arrogant. If he doesn't rate the comments of a former pro, all be it not a great one, the suggestion is he wouldn't think much of the comments of anyone outside his buddy group of Clarke and G Prat etc.
Which is fine as long as if you are one of his legion of Twitterati you accept your role is merely to blow smoke up his ass.

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 8:46 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
sharrison01 wrote:Another great comment from a muppet student that thinks he knows it all because he spent 8 hours a week for 6 months a year over 4 years reading "theory" from textbooks written 3+ years ago because his lecturer that couldn't get a real job told him to. Strange the way that you have to keep trying to convince yourself that a good education makes such a difference?

Pathetic. I notice from your profile that you're in w...sorry...banking. I'd take an HE lecturer over a w...sorry...banker any day of the week.

As for McIlroy's comments. Childish. In the extreme. Engage brain once in a while. Actually, TBH the whole Twitter nonsense is pathetic. As Darren Clarke might have said....get a life.

How is that pathetic? I think its pathetic to judge somebody on the grounds of their standard of education and it bloody annoys me that when someone makes a comment that people do not like or agree with it is down to being poorly educated as if well educated people only make sense!?!

As for banking, which red top did you go for today?

by haystongolfer Fri 29 Jul 2011, 8:47 am

I think it's refreshing for a major sportsman to just say what he feels and let rip....so what if he and Jay "fall out"...nabody's deid as we say up here...it's handbags at 40 paces as far as I can see.

Keep tweeting Rory at least you say what you think

by Maverick Fri 29 Jul 2011, 8:48 am

Diggers wrote:The problem for me with McIlroys comments are that they are a bit arrogant. If he doesn't rate the comments of a former pro, all be it not a great one, the suggestion is he wouldn't think much of the comments of anyone outside his buddy group of Clarke and G Prat etc.
Which is fine as long as if you are one of his legion of Twitterati you accept your role is merely to blow smoke up his ass.

Don't think anyone can argue with that comment. Comes back to the same things whereby some people think only those they like can comment on them. If you can't handle direct criticism for which by being in the public eye you are going to get then your in the wrong profession Rory

by Smile Fri 29 Jul 2011, 8:53 am

It may have been a heat of the moment tweet?
Lay off the young man.

by Bob_the_Job Fri 29 Jul 2011, 8:57 am

kwinigolfer wrote: vinochateau . . . . . .

Took me a few seconds..

Unfortunate that McIlroy was not able to count to 10 in this instance, but then he's still pretty young - he's proven his ability to learn so hopefully wasting his time and attention on stuff like this will lessen. Storm in a tweet cup.

by super_realist Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:08 am

Andy Murray was in a similar situation when responded to a stupid comment by David Lloyd.
Although McIlroy is entitled to say whatever he likes, he probably could have done with a more considered response which as Murray proved could still be articulate but still have a really good dig at the guy who made it.

by gaelgowfer Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:23 am

For the sake of his own mental wellbeing, he needs to learn to roll with the punches or ... stop reading the internet!

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:25 am

sharrison01 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
sharrison01 wrote:Another great comment from a muppet student that thinks he knows it all because he spent 8 hours a week for 6 months a year over 4 years reading "theory" from textbooks written 3+ years ago because his lecturer that couldn't get a real job told him to. Strange the way that you have to keep trying to convince yourself that a good education makes such a difference?

Pathetic. I notice from your profile that you're in w...sorry...banking. I'd take an HE lecturer over a w...sorry...banker any day of the week.

As for McIlroy's comments. Childish. In the extreme. Engage brain once in a while. Actually, TBH the whole Twitter nonsense is pathetic. As Darren Clarke might have said....get a life.

How is that pathetic? I think its pathetic to judge somebody on the grounds of their standard of education and it bloody annoys me that when someone makes a comment that people do not like or agree with it is down to being poorly educated as if well educated people only make sense!?!

As for banking, which red top did you go for today?

Your comment on University Lecturers, specifically, is pathetic. I don't read the red tops and I'm not even clear what the relevance of them to my comment is.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:27 am

Diggers wrote:The problem for me with McIlroys comments are that they are a bit arrogant. If he doesn't rate the comments of a former pro, all be it not a great one, the suggestion is he wouldn't think much of the comments of anyone outside his buddy group of Clarke and G Prat etc.
Which is fine as long as if you are one of his legion of Twitterati you accept your role is merely to blow smoke up his ass.

by super_realist Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:28 am

Not sure what making a rash comment has to do with mental well-being. Some people are just quick to respond to criticism with criticism, and given how low a blow Townsend struck with his Steve Williams comment it is probably understandable.

He also did it immediately after the final round of the Open when he appeared to have conceded to not being good at links.

Heat of the moment stuff, and not really indicative of any mental problems, just engaging mouth before brain. He'll grow out of it, probably.

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:37 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
sharrison01 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
sharrison01 wrote:Another great comment from a muppet student that thinks he knows it all because he spent 8 hours a week for 6 months a year over 4 years reading "theory" from textbooks written 3+ years ago because his lecturer that couldn't get a real job told him to. Strange the way that you have to keep trying to convince yourself that a good education makes such a difference?

Pathetic. I notice from your profile that you're in w...sorry...banking. I'd take an HE lecturer over a w...sorry...banker any day of the week.

As for McIlroy's comments. Childish. In the extreme. Engage brain once in a while. Actually, TBH the whole Twitter nonsense is pathetic. As Darren Clarke might have said....get a life.

How is that pathetic? I think its pathetic to judge somebody on the grounds of their standard of education and it bloody annoys me that when someone makes a comment that people do not like or agree with it is down to being poorly educated as if well educated people only make sense!?!

As for banking, which red top did you go for today?

Your comment on University Lecturers, specifically, is pathetic. I don't read the red tops and I'm not even clear what the relevance of them to my comment is.

It may be a generalisation but it's not pathetic. There are probably about 25 universities in the UK with any credence with the rest of them being of very little use, so I'd say that my comment would apply to most lecturers. The relevance of my comment towards you reading the red tops is that they are the ones that bang on about the banking industry as if it's the root of all evil so would be a good place to form your opinions...

by MustPuttBetter Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:43 am

sharrison01 wrote:As for McIlroy, I'm quite glad that he has bitten back. The media is hardly on steady ground at the moment and if a journalist has a go at someone then they should expect a reaction. There would be a difference if this journalist actually had something constructive to say but he simply criticised McIlroy and deserves a reaction to make him think about what he publishes in future.

navyblueshorts wrote: Pathetic. I notice from your profile that you're in w...sorry...banking. I'd take an HE lecturer over a w...sorry...banker any day of the week.

It is ironic, as someone who comes on here with strong 'opinions' who happens to be in banking, that you should be inferring that someone within a profession in which the public has no faith should not be making criticisms

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:48 am

MPB, good reading there. I think that you'll find that my comments following those that you have cherry picked fully retract what I said there. I was also referring to this industry from McIlroy's point of view as opposed to people within that industry. And referring to an industry as "w...sorry...banking" is slightly more than a criticism...

by Maverick Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:56 am

Rather than discussing the finer points w....banking. How about we return this one to what the threads about, the Irish Open and what has conspired with Rory as a result. As much as we all do our own Banking!! I think this argument has used about as much Kleenex as we can provide for now....

by MustPuttBetter Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:57 am

sharrison01 wrote:MPB, good reading there

How kind, the same to you Hug

sharrison01 wrote:I think that you'll find that my comments following those that you have cherry picked fully retract what I said there. I was also referring to this industry from McIlroy's point of view as opposed to people within that industry. And referring to an industry as "w...sorry...banking" is slightly more than a criticism...

No no, you retracted your opinion that the comments weren't constructive but stood by your no faith in the industry view.
Even if you have now changed your mind on this also, still doesn't change the irony Whistle

Anyway, i drift off topic. Just made me chuckle. Back to Rory

by Davie Fri 29 Jul 2011, 9:58 am

I'm a little surprised Rory's comments haven't been removed - especially as there are rumours flying that he may face an ET fine.

by gaelgowfer Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:00 am

super_realist wrote:Not sure what making a rash comment has to do with mental well-being. Some people are just quick to respond to criticism with criticism, and given how low a blow Townsend struck with his Steve Williams comment it is probably understandable.

He also did it immediately after the final round of the Open when he appeared to have conceded to not being good at links.

Heat of the moment stuff, and not really indicative of any mental problems, just engaging mouth before brain. He'll grow out of it, probably.

On its own, no, but as this is not the first time he's passed an intemperate comment I believe this will only encourage those connected to the media to up the jibe ante. He needs to learn how to put a positive spin on the negative or, say nothing and just let his clubs do the talking. After all, there is no requirement for him to comment on anything away from his place of work or when on sponsorship duties.

by Maverick Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:06 am

Thing is Davie the only one that can choose to Remove the comments is Rory himself, the ET cannot force him to remove them and if he believes he is right in his actions then what is a fine going to really do. It's not going to dent his bank balance noticably.

When all is said and done people are using his age as defence but I don't but buy that he's a professional and has a management team around him to teach him to deal with criticism and rise above it. As much as i'm not a Woods fan just look at how the guy dealt with Poulters comments that he will not finish top 5 at the Masters, he simply said we'll see and went and finished tied 4th.. Thats how a top sportsmen should respond to criticism by proving others wrong not running off at the mouth

by super_realist Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:09 am

I think people are looking into it too much. Golf is full of boring "stars" and while I don't agree with the manner in which McIlroy responded I think it shows he's got a determined attitude, I certainly don't think it's because he believes everyone should be blowing smoke up his bum.

I'd have preferred something a bit more measured which got his point across but at the same time managed to show Townsend to be the no mark he is.

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:09 am

MustPuttBetter wrote:
sharrison01 wrote:MPB, good reading there

How kind, the same to you

sharrison01 wrote:I think that you'll find that my comments following those that you have cherry picked fully retract what I said there. I was also referring to this industry from McIlroy's point of view as opposed to people within that industry. And referring to an industry as "w...sorry...banking" is slightly more than a criticism...

No no, you retracted your opinion that the comments weren't constructive but stood by your no faith in the industry view.
Even if you have now changed your mind on this also, still doesn't change the irony

Anyway, i drift off topic. Just made me chuckle. Back to Rory

My comments are pretty relevant given that the media as an industry is very much in the spotlight at the moment!? My angle was that everyone is ready to criticise journalists and less likely to support them so people like Rory will have more confidence in criticising them. The banking sector was the industry under fire a couple of years ago so how does that have any relevance?

Apologies, Mav, no more banking Very Happy

by dr_peeps Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:19 am

I dont think it really matters what Jay said with his Rocky Balboa Accent !!, Rory proves to me he really is the Aldi of golfers, classless at best !! I can honestly see me hating Rory in the same way i do Faldo, infact they would make a good pantomime horse together !!.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:23 am

gaelgowfer wrote:On its own, no, but as this is not the first time he's passed an intemperate comment I believe this will only encourage those connected to the media to up the jibe ante. He needs to learn how to put a positive spin on the negative or, say nothing and just let his clubs do the talking. After all, there is no requirement for him to comment on anything away from his place of work or when on sponsorship duties.

What he needs is a better line in put-downs and/or counting to ten before firing off a comment on Twit-ter. Simply going off on one about how Townsend is a "failed golfer" and "[only] a commentator" and therefore his opinion is worthless just makes him sound unprofessional and a bit daft.

super_realist wrote:...but at the same time managed to show Townsend to be the no mark he is.

That makes sense...I don't think. So, this would mean that people such as Leadbetter, Bennett/Plummer, Harmon, Foley, Torrance (Bob) etc etc can have no worthwhile opinions to make re. golf simply because, as you might say, they were 'no marks' as players???

by 4putt Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:23 am

I view my golf on the ESPN Golf Channel on which Townsend is a regular commentator.
On that he is very outspoken and it is very rare that he agrees with his fellow commentators opinion. He comes across as an arrogant self opinionated know it all. It can be quite amusing listening to the arguments that he causes.
As a commentator he's about as bad as you can get, but, like everyone he is entitled to his opinion and whilst I have not seen Rory play the last hole yesterday from what I can gather from people who did, Townsend has a valid point.

by MustPuttBetter Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:24 am

I didn't say your comments weren't relavent

Just thought it ironic that a banker should be referring to an industry in which the public has no faith and using that to at least partically, justify Rory's reaction.
If by 'a couple of years ago' you think the public faith in bankers is restored i have news for you.....
Do you disagree that there is irony there?

To temper this with some golf, whilst i think it would probably be in Rory's interests to not respond to comments like Townsend's in such a way, i quite like it that his heart was on his sleeve. He was sticking up for a mate after what was a fairly nasty little remark about Steve Williams. I'm not sure i would have reacted differently and i'm 9 years older than Rory!

by super_realist Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:27 am

Navy, those you mentioned have actually achieved something in the game. Townsend is a "neverhasbeen". He's allowed an opinion of course, but shouldn't be surprised to be criticised, especially as he agreed that Williams should be his caddy, when he was one of the worst course management duos in golfing history.

by MustPuttBetter Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:28 am

dr_peeps wrote:I dont think it really matters what Jay said with his Rocky Balboa Accent !!, Rory proves to me he really is the Aldi of golfers, classless at best !! I can honestly see me hating Rory in the same way i do Faldo, infact they would make a good pantomime horse together !!.

Was Rory classless in his reaction after the Masters?? I think not
In fact was Faldo classless after beating Norman in the 96 Masters? I think not

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:37 am

MPB, surely being in that industry and experiencing uninformed opinions about it I would be fairly adequately placed to make a comment. I was not justifying Rory's comments but offering a reason for why they might be so aggressive, as oppose to the reason given that he is poorly educated. Surely you must be able to understand that people in an industry that is constantly under fire might be a bit less inclined to hit back, thus someone like Rory might feel that he can have a go at the media in a more aggressive manner.

As for the current opinions on the banking sector, it is not on the front page of every red top like it was a couple of years ago so not really relevant. People may not have faith in the banking sector but then no one was complaining about being offered cheap loans five years ago to load up on big TV's, cars and houses - easy scapegoat for irresponsible behaviour by greedy people.

by Maverick Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:37 am

Dr_peeps: I get the impression you rolled out of the wrong side of bed this morning based on your 2 post today!

I personally not a Rory fan as most on here know and think his response to the townsend incident is not professional but you cannot say the kid is completely classless when you consider how he responded to the masters. Nor can you in anyway say Sir Nick Faldo is either, the way he reacted to his win in 96 is something Norman himself says is the most selfless and heartfelt act he has felt in sport with reagrds what Faldo said to him.

by MustPuttBetter Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:42 am

Sharrison, i don't actually disagree with you on most of it. Just thought it ironic

Anyway, i hardly think your post was on topic. Come on now Run

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:51 am

MPB, my apologies for straying...

Back to Rory - he might make the odd interesting comment that will divide opinion but like Poulter I think that this has caused people to tee him up in the media and try to get a reaction. His age is no excuse because he is generally very mature for a 22 year old and to be fair to him, his comments usually make a good point but just not in the right way. I just hope that he doesn't shun the media like a lot of players have as even if he riles people occasionally with the way he makes his comments, he at least gives an opinion and more importantly comes out and admits when he was wrong. Again, not usually the behaviour of your average 22 years old...

by 4putt Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:56 am

I would like to apologise for posting in the middle of your arguement. Shocked

by kwinigolfer Fri 29 Jul 2011, 10:58 am

Looks like Harrington is just a hole or two away from a weekend off, sorry to see that.
And I see that Gonzo Fernandez-Castano is back, albeit struggling. Anyone determine what his problem has been?

As for Rory and JT; because Townsend also works for the Golf Channel, this story is certain to follow Rory for the next two weeks. But perhaps Woods's return will deflect attention?

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:02 am

4putt wrote:I would like to apologise for posting in the middle of your arguement.

Helps to get back on track...

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:05 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Looks like Harrington is just a hole or two away from a weekend off, sorry to see that.
And I see that Gonzo Fernandez-Castano is back, albeit struggling. Anyone determine what his problem has been?

As for Rory and JT; because Townsend also works for the Golf Channel, this story is certain to follow Rory for the next two weeks. But perhaps Woods's return will deflect attention?

If there's one man that can it's Tiger!

Shame about Padraig - hasn't been anywhere near the same player as his major winning years. I fear that he might have "believed the hype" a bit and tried to meddle with his game to become a dominant player when winning three majors in two years showed his game was just fine as it was. Great pity...

by MustPuttBetter Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:13 am

4putt wrote:I would like to apologise for posting in the middle of your arguement.

No argument, just jovialocity

But apology accepted thumbsup

by dr_peeps Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:15 am

If Norman had done the same to him would Faldo have accepted it in the same way !! I think we know the answer !!

Was Rory classless after masters, who cares !!, he is classless now, end of !!

It is possible to admire someones golf without liking them, its called not being a steriotypical yank hero worshiping fool !!!

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:24 am

dr_peeps wrote:If Norman had done the same to him would Faldo have accepted it in the same way !! I think we know the answer !!

Was Rory classless after masters, who cares !!, he is classless now, end of !!

It is possible to admire someones golf without liking them, its called not being a steriotypical yank hero worshiping fool !!!

Why would Faldo have acted so differently?!? He may be a bit of a muppet but held himself with good dignity in his playing days. As for Rory, the fact that you choose to look at how classy he is on a comment by comment basis may suggest that you don't fully understand the concept of class. He will probably come out over the next couple of weeks and admit that he reacted harshly or wrongly, exactly how he has over comments about changing his game for The Open and his view of the Ryder Cup. I'd say that he has generally shown a high degree of class...

by dr_peeps Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:31 am

The whole thing reminds me a bit like Celtic, its everyone elses fault when they lose !!.

I actually thought it was a stupid question Rory was asked at the open & dont understand why he changed his mind later to retract it. you either speak your mind or you don't.

Any fan of Lyle hates Faldo or atleast they should !!

Who was the worst Ryder cup captain again ?? Sir .... .....

by McLaren Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:38 am

If we want to see how someone in the spotlight should talk openly about other players or dislikes about the golfing world read the Appleby interview that kwini posted a link to on his thread.

As for being uneducated I did not specifically mean the sort you gain from having your head in books. Rory has been pampered from a young age mostly it seems away from his peers, and has therefore not developed the basic skills needed to take a bit of a ribbing and think of a least a remotely witty comeback. Part of forming opinions is having your own ways of thinking challenged, and he has clearly been surrounded by people unwilling to tell him when he is being an idiot.

Just read Appleby's comments, many quite contentious, but they come of as thought out and at least open to being questioned.

So sharrison (Are you to Thatcher what Voldemort was to Tom Riddle???) it has little to do with who does or does not have what degree.

by super_realist Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:38 am

I'm not a fan of (halfwit) Lyle or (wooden) Faldo, but can appreciate they were both excellent players in their day.

It's very easy to say something in the heat of the moment, but it takes manners to retract it and common decency to say they were wrong.

If you think Lyle would do any better than Faldo too I think you are wrong. I think they would both make rubbish Captains, already proven by Faldo.

As for you Mac, you've always admitted your lack of poilitical knowledge so please stop trying to make comparisons. You strike me as someone who believes that they think they should hate anything which is remotely right wing or capitalist but doesn't actually have an explanation for it.

by MustPuttBetter Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:39 am

dr_peeps wrote:The whole thing reminds me a bit like Celtic, its everyone elses fault when they lose !!.

I actually thought it was a stupid question Rory was asked at the open & dont understand why he changed his mind later to retract it. you either speak your mind or you don't.

Any fan of Lyle hates Faldo or atleast they should !!

Who was the worst Ryder cup captain again ?? Sir .... .....

So

Rory is like Celtic
You don't like him for making silly comments or in fact for retracting them either
And you dislike Faldo because you like Lyle

Is that the long and short of it? Erm

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:40 am

But when you speak with emotion and not your mind and admit that then there is a degree of class being shown.

As for Lyle, I'm not sure how big his fan base has been since he pulled out of The Open a couple of years ago as he was having a shocker. Faldo was a really great Ryder Cup player that deserved his shot as Ryder Cup captain but it didn't work. There will be lots of opinions as to why that was but I think that it was because he is too close to US golf and had to make sure that he didn't come across as anti-American in an event that puts both teams very much against one another. As one of Britain's most successful sportsmen, he has hardly been treated as such by the British public so no surprise that he works in the US and remained diplomatic during the Ryder, possibly to the team's detriment.

by Maverick Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:45 am

So the Crux of it then is Dr_peeps your a Lyle fan therefore must be programmed to despise Faldo... Real class argument that one.. It is possible to be a fan of British golf and like both or like a player based on his achievements, care to list Lyle's compared to Faldo's..

As for the Ryder cup captaincy Lyle has done nothing to deserve it and his comments re: Monty and other captains show Lyle to be classless and do nothing but further harm any slim chance he has at ryder cup captaincy.

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:51 am

McLaren wrote:If we want to see how someone in the spotlight should talk openly about other players or dislikes about the golfing world read the Appleby interview that kwini posted a link to on his thread.

As for being uneducated I did not specifically mean the sort you gain from having your head in books. Rory has been pampered from a young age mostly it seems away from his peers, and has therefore not developed the basic skills needed to take a bit of a ribbing and think of a least a remotely witty comeback. Part of forming opinions is having your own ways of thinking challenged, and he has clearly been surrounded by people unwilling to tell him when he is being an idiot.

Just read Appleby's comments, many quite contentious, but they come of as thought out and at least open to being questioned.

So sharrison (Are you to Thatcher what Voldemort was to Tom Riddle???) it has little to do with who does or does not have what degree.

Mate, you constantly use Rory's education as a reason why he says what he does. Education has very little bearing on what he says and is such an irrelevant point that it feels like you are trying to justify what could be a waste of four years of your life. If Rory riles a few feathers with his outspoken single mindedness but this single mindedness is a big part of his success on the course then why would he change? Appleby is hardly where Rory wants to be...

by McLaren Fri 29 Jul 2011, 11:57 am

Appleby is hardly where Rory wants to be...

Really, he seems like a great guy with a really good perspective on liefe. would you trade that for a us open and being a tw@t?

by sharrison01 Fri 29 Jul 2011, 12:02 pm

McLaren wrote:
Appleby is hardly where Rory wants to be...

Really, he seems like a great guy with a really good perspective on liefe. would you trade that for a us open and being a tw@t?

Rory's 22 and has just won his first major so I'm pretty sure that his current ambitions are not being a great guy and having a good perspective on life. Professional sportsmen are the most selfish and single minded people which is a big contributor to their success in their sports and just because a few older players make the younger ones seem like tw@ts, to quote you, don't be fooled into thinking that those very sportsmen did not act like tw@ts when they were young and hungry.

by super_realist Fri 29 Jul 2011, 12:08 pm

McLaren wrote:
Appleby is hardly where Rory wants to be...

Really, he seems like a great guy with a really good perspective on liefe. would you trade that for a us open and being a tw@t?

Mac, all Rory has done is make a few misguided statements, that in no way makes him a Tw@t. You often make statements which to me seem ridiculous, as I'm sure some of mine do to you. It doesn't make either of us "tw@ts"

I would have thought in your ultra-libertarian utopian world people had the right to free speech without retribution or judgement, but then you're only liberal when it suits you.

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