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Post by Imperial Ghosty Thu 11 Aug 2011, 12:34 am

1. Jimmy Wilde
The Ghost With a Hammer in His hand is widely considered to be the greatest flyweight of all time, went more than 100 hundred fights although all of these were fought in Britain but beat fighters the calibre of Lynch, Symonds, Smith, Zulu Kid, Moore and Mason along the way while often outweighed by upto 10-14 pounds.

2. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
A british champion from Featherweight all the way up to Light heavyweight, his career his epitomised by his epic series of fights with fellow legendary Welterweight Jack Britton where they traded the title back and forth in often brutal wars over a four year period. Lost in two other tilts at world titles when massively outweighed at both middleweight and light heavyweight.

3. Lennox Lewis
Arguably the last great heavyweight and in beating Evander Holyfield proved himself to be the eras premier heavyweight, lost disapointingly in two massive shocks to Rahmann and McCall but beat everyone the division had to offer and signed off with a victory over Vitali Klitschko.

4. Freddie Welsh
Long time lightweight champion who fought the best his division had to offer, holds two official wins over fellow british great Jim Driscoll as well as a series of newspaper victories over world class fighters such as Leonard, Wolgast, Nelson and Dundee.

5. Ken Buchanan
Lightweight champion after beating Panamanian great Ismael Laguna, holds wins over men such as Hernandez, Ortiz, Velazquez and Watt, lost his title to the legendary Roberto Duran in controversial circumstances and lost in a bid to regain a portion of the title with a disapointing points loss to Guts Ishimatsu.

6. Jim Driscoll
The finest british fighter to never have the honour of winning a world title, almost completely shut out reigning champion Abb Attell in a fight where the title was not on the line, turned down a chance to fight for the title because of prior commitments to a local orphanage.

7. Joe Calzaghe
Long serving unbeaten super middleweight champion, one of a select few who have at one stage held all four organisational titles as well as the ring magazines linear title, spent much of his career in Britain but shot to fame after dismantling the promising Jeff Lacy in a one sided masterclass, went on to unify the division against Mikkel Kessler before claiming the lineal light heavyweight championship against the legendary Bernard Hopkins.

8. Jack 'Kid' Berg
One of the finest light welterweight champions of all time, lost his titles to Tony Canzoneri in one of the earliest catchweight title fights where he had to weigh within the lightweight limit, due to this stipulation was still recognised by the ring magazine as the lineal champion for the following year until losing recognition following his loss to Sammy Fuller.

9. Owen Moran
Former bantamweight world title holder who would go on to draw twice with Abb Attell for the featherweight title and would also lose to Ad Wolgast in his attempt to win the lightweight world title.

10. Benny Lynch
Tragic flyweight world champion who's career would end early because of alcohol addiction, even though his career was cut short still left a lasting impression as one the divisions finest ever fighters beating rivals Brown, Montana, Jurich and Kane.

11. Prince Naseem Hamed
12. John Conteh

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 11 Aug 2011, 8:55 am

Thanks, Ghosty.

Surprised Naz didn't make the top 10 though, a shame.

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Post by Rowley Thu 11 Aug 2011, 8:56 am

Good stuff Ghosty, a little gutted Naz did not make the top ten does suggest my quest to get him into our elite top ten may prove an uphill struggle. May have to PM Truss and swap a vote on Curry for one on Naz, underhand but every vote counts.

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Post by coxy0001 Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:17 am

To be honest, i don't see how you can make a case for Naz being ahead of anyone in the top 10. Running through good but not great fighters doesn't get him above anyone in that list for me personally.

If anyone can make a case for him beating anyone you could rank in the top 25 FWs i'd like to know.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:24 am

I'd have him in ahead of Moran in all likelihood.

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Post by coxy0001 Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:26 am

Moran battering the great Attell is 1 reason enough to have him ahead of Naz. Didn't get the "w" but history remembers that fight as being just that for Moran.

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Post by captain carrantuohil Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:34 am

Moran also became the first man to KO the great Battling Nelson, when he was a lightweight. At one point, Nat Fleischer regarded him as the third best lightweight of all time, while IBRO has him close to their top 20 all time in at least two weights, if memory serves, and possibly three. He is an absolute certainty for the UK all-time top 10 - his achievements far exceed those of Naz, in my opinion, good as Naz was, and great though he could have been.

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Post by Rowley Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:34 am

Coxy would have to ask who were the great rather than good fighters Calzaghe beat or indeed Lynch. Even Lewis who is sat at three only really has Holyfield and Tyson who are likely to fall into that category and Holy was a win and a draw and Tyson was shot to smithereens.

Not saying Naz deserves to be above either of these but do feel there is a massive amount of revisionism that goes on with Naz, he cleared out his division and was for some time the best feather in the world and accepted as being so, in the modern era there are very few British fighter who can claim with little to no contradiction to be the best in their weight, Joe and Lennox are perhaps the only two and nobody takes issue with them being in the top ten.


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Post by coxy0001 Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:39 am

Rowley, JC has BHop. Which if he'd retired would've done zip for his legacy. As it is with BHop continuing and doing rather well it's inadvertently helping to elevate JCs win over him.

With no offence to the other featherweights at the time, it wasn't exactly stuffed chocca full. Heck, would go as far as saying the current crop are above anything Naz beat (hold your breath Rowley you should know of these: Gamboa, R Marquez, JM Lopez, Salido, John, Cruz etc - not saying they all rate above all of Naz's wins... Gamboa would've annhialated him though)

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Post by captain carrantuohil Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:45 am

If I look at the top dozen here as a whole, I can really have no arguments or complaints whatever. I'm absolutely sure that they are the correct twelve names for the moment, regardless of any minor quibbles about precise order. Both Amir Khan and Carl Froch will have the opportunity to make inroads into the list, but they still have a couple of peaks to scale first.

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Post by Rowley Thu 11 Aug 2011, 9:46 am

Coxy my issue is more that others get a pass for operating in weak eras but Naz gets mullered for it. Not going to argue it was a golden era for the division as clearly it wasn't but when that is the case all you can ask is that a fighter deals with it in as conclusive a manner as is possible and at his best Naz certainly did that and then some.

Truth is I have no real issue with anyone having him outside their top ten and can see why they do as the argument that he lost to the only great fighter he fought is pretty much the case and hard to get round. However it is this idea he was a chancer devoid of ability who was lucky to carry a wallop and have a weak division to feast on, because I simply don't think it was the case, for me the Naz that beat Robinson and was still training and committed to the sport is a tough night for all but the absolute best.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Thu 11 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm

I could make a case for Hamed beating the majority of fighters at featherweight, the likes of Pep, Saddler and Sanchez would be a bridge too far but can see him beating the next bunch of Attell, Driscoll, Kilbane and Chocolate. The significance of the Barrera fight is that we didn't expect it to happen and i'm not alone in thinking that two years prior to that meeting and he has the beating of anyone around including Barrera and Morales.

Would personally have Hamed above both Moran and Lynch but along with Conteh they could be ranked anywhere between 9-12.

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Post by WelshDevilRob Mon 15 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm

Great list and always good to see a Welshman at the top - doesn't happen too often, so the man from Quakers Yard is a credit.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:46 pm

I agree ,Rob, and this IS a pretty fine list!As a Lennox fan, I do think he's rather high, but that's also quite nice to see.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:48 pm

What about the result for the top fifteen, has that been collated, I.G.?

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:54 pm

This is the list Andy, only did a top ten for the british boxers.

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