Will you buy floyd vs ortiz?

I for one will not buy the floyd vs ortiz fight in protest to primetime making me pay for this. I might be alone here but i am truely pee'd of at this. can someone remind me of the last time a fight was aired on our tv channels on ppv when no fighter from U.K. was involved?

now my way of thinking is if you are a floyd fan (which i am) and are not happy about his next fight being ppv and want it to stop, is to not buy the fight in the hope he is getting paid purley on ppv's. With extremely low U.K. buys i assume camp floyd will not be too pleased and will live to regret the desicion and the risk of it being shown on a new network over here.

Slightly off topic. Does anyone know the difference in the way promoting companies and fighters are paid when a fight is being shown on sky sports and PPV? i.e. Do sky sports pay the same to air the fight regardless if 1 person tunes in or 1 million people tune in?

I'm not sure Floyd will be overly bothered by the UK sales, surely those in the US are far more lucrative?

hmm, thats a point. Didnt think of that.

but surley the views will drop massively compared to it being on sky sports which should sway the promoters next decision.... no?

You have to remember it is Floyd Mayweather we are talking about here, as much as we are all happy to say we shan't be paying for it now, you can guarantee that a good percentage will change their mind and regrettably do so as fight night nears.

dangerous_mouse wrote:hmm, thats a point. Didnt think of that.

but surley the views will drop massively compared to it being on sky sports which should sway the promoters next decision.... no?

Not really. No one watches morning fights without a big UK star. Only 100k max ever watch Saturday fight night at primetime with domestic fights.

lol, like i did on khan vs judah.

Well i hope everyone can hold out till the next day when its on the tube, or a cheeky live stream. I am soooo angry i will not be buying this. I even booked the sunday off from work the day after but i think i'll just opt back in so i cant do a last min buy even if i wanted.

scottrf do you mean saturday fight night on sky sports?

does anyone have accurate figures to sky sport u.k. views to the likes of mayweather v de la hoya for example?

Yeah mate.

I'll post numbers for the international fights when I'm on my pc. The only one I can think of off the top of my head was on setanta, Cotto vs Marg got 40k.

meh, that all?

remind me, wasn't setanta ppv?

thanx in advance for getting te numbers for other major fights.

Setanta wasn't PPV, it was subscription, but that was a tiny percentage of subscribers.

oh yeah i remember now.

Was wondering tho, how many SS subscribers who may not be big boxing fans will still try and tune in as its a floyd mayweather fight. No chance of that happening now still cant see anyone getting more views in U.K. than SS.

Surley after the flop numbers on primetime for this fight promoters will be mad to let it go to any other network but sky sports.

Seems 14k not 40...Don't have many big international fights actually, but should be interesting nonetheless. At least shows Bradley Alexander was below 117k. Not sure why it’s only picking up the replays of Pacquiao-Margarito and Mosley-Mayweather tbh, will see if I can find initials as that might be more illustrative.

Figures from Sky in 2010

Only fights in the top 10 for the channel that week can be found.
Date – Event – Figures – Where it stands in top 10 for that Channel - Promoter
13/02 Big Fight Live (Cleverly, Mitchell, Degale etc.) – 222,000 (SS1 #6) Frank Warren
13/02 FNF Replay (Daws-Cook) Saturday 29,000 (SS2 #9) Matchroom
26/02 Prizefighter (Light Middles) – 147,000 (SS1 #6) Matchroom
09/04 Big Fight Live (Sprott-Harrison) – 274,000 (SS1 #8 ) Matchroom
12/04 Haye-Ruiz replay – 55,000 (SS2 #4) Hayemaker
30/04 Prizefighter (Cruiserweights) – 152,000 (SS2 #4) Matchroom
02/05 Mosley-Mayweather Replay – 99,000 (SS2 #7) Golden Boy
15/05 Mitchell-Katsidis – 272,000 (SS1 #8 ) Frank Warren
16/05 Khan-Mallignagi Replay (second replay one earlier on ITV1) – 349,000 (ITV4 #2) Golden Boy
04/06 Hall-Napa - 90,000 (SS2 #5) Matchroom
11/06 McCloskey-Lauri - 112,000 (SS2 #1) Matchroom
25/06 Fury-McDermott II - 118,000 (SS2 #2) Frank Maloney
31/06 Prizefighter (Super Middleweights) - 112,000 (SS1 #7) Matchroom
02/07 McDonnell-Bracco - 66,000 (SS2 #3) Frank Maloney
09/07 Laws-Williams - 59,000 (SS2 #6) Matchroom
16/07 Hatton-Nuzhenko - 166,000 (SS1 #4) Hatton Promotions
23/07 Hall-Power - 89,000 (SS2 #7) Frank Maloney
04/09 Roman Martinez-Ricky Burns - 141,000 (SS1 #6) Replay 44,000 (SS2 #10) Frank Warren
11/09 Wladimir Klitschko-Samuel Peter & Steve Molitor-Jason Booth - 202,000 (SS1 #6) Frank Maloney
24/09 Tony Bellew-Bob Ajisafe - 161,000 (SS1 #9) Frank Warren
02/10 Levan Kirakosyan-Stephen Foster - 139,000 (SS1 #10) Hatton Promotions
23/10 Liam Walsh-Maxwell Awuku - 131,000 (SS1 # 8 ) Frank Warren
24/10 Toshiaki Nishioka-Rendall Munroe Replay @ 18:30 - 44,000 (SS3 #6) Frank Maloney
20/11 Prizefighter (Super Featherweights) - 102,000 (SS1 #9) Matchroom

Figures from Sky in 2011

22/01/2011 Jamie McDonnell-Stephane Jamoye - 124,000 (SS1 #9) Frank Maloney
29/01/2011 Prizefighter - Light Heavyweights - 117,000 (SS1 #9) Matchroom
05/02/2011 Jason Booth-Jamie Arthur - Did not make Top 10 (10# SKY SPORTS NEWS AT SEVEN 92,000)
12/02/2011 Watson-Crolla - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE MILLENNIUM MAGIC SUPER LEAGUE 140,000)
19/02/2011 Gavin-Lomax - Did not make Top 10 (10# Gillette Soccer Special 134,000)
26/02/2011 Foster-Fegatilli - Did not make Top 10 (10# GILLETTE SOCCER SPECIAL 180,000)
05/03/2011 Gary Sykes-Carl Johanneson - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 144,000)
12/03/2011 Ricky Burns-Joseph Laryea - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 140,000)
19/03/2011 Liam Walsh-Jon Kays & Vitali Klitschko-Odliander Solis - 168,000 (SS1 #8 ) Frank Warren/K2
23/03/2011 Prizefighter The Super Middleweights - Did not make Top 10 (10# Goals on Sunday 186,000)
26/03/2011 Denton Vassell-Bethuel Ushona - 56,000 (SS2 #7) Hatton Promotions
02/04/2011 John Murray-Karim El Ouazghari - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 179,000)
09/04/2011 Stuart Hall-John Donnelly - 46,000 (SS3 #6) Frank Maloney
16/04/2011 Ringside - 61,000 (SS2 #
30/04/2011 Darren Barker-Domenico Spada - Did not make Top 10 (10# LIVE SUPER LEAGUE 155,000)
07/05/2011 International Prizefighters Heavyweights - 170,000 (SS1 #9)
08/05/2011 Manny Pacquiao-Shane Mosley Replay - 58,000 (SS2 #9)
13/05/2011 Sam Webb-Prince Arron - Did not make Top 10 (10# GOALS ON SUNDAY 168,000)
22/05/2011 Jean Pascal-Bernard Hopkins Delayed Coverage - 30,000 (SS4 # Golden Boy/InterBox
28/05/2011 Jamie McDonnell-Nick Otieno - 83,000 (SS2 #9) Frank Maloney
04/06/2011 Gavin Rees-Andy Murray/Mikkel Kessler-Mehdi Bouadla/Carl Froch-Glen Johnson - 148,000 (SS1 #10) Matchroom
05/06/2011 Froch-Johnson replay - 57,000 (SS2 #9) and 41,000 (SS4 #5)
07/07/2011 Prizefighter The Welterweights - 111,000 (SS2 #4) Matchroom
11/06/2011 Price-Dallas - Did not make Top 10 (SS2 10# 87,000 LIVE UEFA EURO U21S-BELARUS V ICELAND)
11/06/2011 Price-Dallas replay - 38,000 (SS4 #6) Frank Maloney
18/06/2011 Murray-Blackwell - Did not make Top 10 (SS1 10 #152,000 LIVE ENG V SL TEST CRICKET)
19/06/2011 Alvarez-Rhodes - 50,000 (SS3 #6)
23/06/2011 Ringside - 48,000 (SS3 #4) Replay 20,000 (SS4 #7)
25/06/2011 Brook-N'Dou & Sturm-Macklin - 133,000 (SS2 #1) Matchroom
26/06/2011 Haye-Valuev - 30,000 (SS3 #9) & 18,000 (SS4 #9)
29/06/2011 Ringside - 52,000 (SS3 #4) 30/6/11 - 51,000 (SS2 #4) & 03/07/11 - 38,000 (SS2 #9)
01/07/2011 Ringside Klitschko-Haye Countdown - 107,000 (SS1 #9) & 16,000 (SS4 #9)
16/07/2011 Murray-Mitchell - 190,000 (SS1 #6) & 17/07/2011 Replay - 30,000 (SS4 #7)

ITV with Fat Mick

04/10/09 Thaxton-Melero 295,000 (ITV4 #5)
08/11/09 Williams-Sosnowski 260,000 (ITV4 #10)
17/01/09 Murray-McAllister 405,000 (ITV4 #2)
28/02/09 Thaxton-Mezaache 369,000 (ITV4 #7)
11/04/09 Watson-O’Donnell 260,000 (ITV4 #10)
23/05/09 Barker-McDermott 204,000 (ITV4 #10)
13/06/09 Murray-Lawton 231,000 (ITV 4 #10)
18/07/09 McIntosh-Cleverly 406,000 (ITV4 #7)
05/09/09 O’Donnell-Glover 330,000 (ITV4 #10)
03/10/09 Murray-Thaxton 212,000 (ITV4 #5)
28/11/09 Barker-Butler 299,000 (ITV #5)

Figures during FW's tenure on ITV

10/12/2005 Harrison-Williams 6.1million (ITV1 #21)
28/01/2006 Jennings-Mutley 270,000 (ITV4 #1)
18/02/2006 Arthur-Burns 243,000 (ITV4 #3)
25/02/2006 Skelton-Williams 193,000 (ITV4 #7)
11/03/2006 Pryce-Duran 210,000 (ITV4 #6)
29/04/2006 Arthur-Guliakevich 257,000 (ITV4 #3)
13/05/2006 Mitchell-Kirkorov 211,000 (ITV4 #8 )
01/06/2006 Hobson-Keeton 140,000 (ITV4 #9)
08/09/2006 Hobson-Pavlokovic 181,000 (ITV4 #7)
18/02/2007 Sprott-Harrison 493,000 (ITV4 #1)
10/03/2007 Matthews-Simpson 223,00 (ITV4 #5)
14/07/2007 Khan-Limmond 3.5 million (ITV1 #26)
21/07/2007 Maccarinelli-Braithwaite 333,000 (ITV4 #5)
08/12/2007 Khan-Earl 4.14 million (ITV1 #22)
02/02/2008 Khan-St Clair 4.15 million (ITV1 #29)
05/04/2008 Khan-Kristjansen 4.37 million (ITV1 #21)
21/06/2008 Khan-Gomez 3.98 million (ITV #18 )

Setanta

08/03/2008 Haye-Maccarinelli 136,000 (Setanta #1)
22/03/2008 Rees-Kotelnik 37,000 (Setanta #5)
14/06/2008 Brook-Jones 5,000 (Setanta #7)
15/11/2008 Haye-Barrett 172,000 (Setanta #2)
28/03/2008 Dodson-Quigley 21,000 (Setanta 2 #1)
19/04/2008 Calzaghe-Hopkins 243,000 (Setanta #4)
25/04/2008 Lindsay-Appleby 42,000 (Setanta #5)
26/07/2008 Cotto-Margarito 14,000 (Setanta #9)
21/02/2009 Cotto-Jennings 12,000 (Setanta 2 #2)
13/06/2009 Cotto-Clottey 10,000 (Setanta 2 #6)

US Viewing Figures

HBO Boxing in 2011
29/01/2011 Bradley-Alexander - 1.345 million viewers
19/02/2011 Montiel-Donaire - 1.020 million viewers
05/03/2011 Alvarez-Hatton - 1,400 million viewers
16/04/2011 Berto-Ortiz - 1,542 million viewers
21/05/2011 Pascal-Hopkins - 1,837 million viewers
04/06/2011 Zbik-Chavez Jr - 1,497 million viewers

ESPN Friday Night Fights in 2011
07/01/2011 Prodvonikov-Herrera - 545,000
14/01/2011 Manfredo-Eduard - 788,000
28/01/2011 Arreola-Abell - 734,000
18/02/2011 Guerrero-Findley - 603,000

Showtime in 2011
26/02/2011 Acosta-Rios - 709,000

HBO Boxing previous years

7/11/2009 Dawson-Johnson II - 774,000
27/3/2010 Maidana-Cayo - 696,000
10/4/2010 Berto-Quintana - 998,000
17/4/2010 Pavlik-Martinez - 1,200,000
24/4/2010 Arreola-Adamek - 888,000
8/5/2010 Williams-Cintron - 1,160,000
15/5/2010 Khan-Malignaggi - 1,228,000
5/6/2010 Foreman-Cotto - 1,600,000
17/7/2010 Bradley-Abregu - 897,000
7/8/2010 Alexander-Kotelnik - 1,057,000
14/8/2010 Dawson-Pascal - 1,118,000
11/9/2010 Gamboa-Salido - 744,000
6/11/2010 Judah-Mathysse - 766,000
20/11/2010 Martinez-Williams - 1,300,000
27/11/2010 Marquez-Katsidis - 998,000

Source

Can only find that Mayweather vs Mosley did less than 192k, Pacquiao vs Mosley less than 92k, Pacquiao vs Marg less than 147k.

bloody brilliant scott, seriously appriciated and very interesting... i am a big fact and figures nerd.

hmm must be a mistake on harrison vs williams 6.1 million???

right this is gona take some taking apart.

dangerous_mouse wrote:bloody brilliant scott, seriously appriciated and very interesting... i am a big fact and figures nerd.

hmm must be a mistake on harrison vs williams 6.1 million???

right this is gona take some taking apart.

No mistake. Search yourself: http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyTopProgrammesOverview?

woh that is massive.

cant see why terrestrial tv dont buy these fights.

Khan vs Gomez did almost FOUR million on terrestrial?!? No wonder he thinks he's hot scheiße now...

I will 100% be buying it. Mayweather albeit at times boring is the best 'boxer' going and be interesting to see if age is finally catching up with him, in addition to ring rust and Ortiz who is quick, young, hungry and has found a new level of confidence.

I still think it'll be a wide UD for Mayweather but still interested.

I won't buy it but obviously if there is half a chance I will be able to win a T shirt or something I will of course pay up in a heartbeat.

Being serious I will buy it, will admit the creeping prevalence of PPV sticks in my craw a bit and particularly as the coverage on Primetime is a still a little amateurish, with no HD channel etc, although it is improving, but I don't really agree with watching streams unless a fight is not being shown over here at all and as I spend half my spare time on here discussing the sport it is just easier for me if I have actually seen them live.

i probably will by buying, not happy about the fact but it is a lot better fight than most that get put on ppv. at least theres a decent undercard as well.

Won't be buying, will be using a perfectly legal online stream provided by myp2p.eu.

coxy0001 wrote:Won't be buying, will be using a perfectly legal online stream provided by myp2p.eu.

Legal?

I won't be buying it, I'll be in bed.

Struggle to stay up past 11 these days...

I'll be buying it, begrudgingly, as I was rather hoping it'd be on skysports.

dangerous_mouse wrote:Slightly off topic. Does anyone know the difference in the way promoting companies and fighters are paid when a fight is being shown on sky sports and PPV? i.e. Do sky sports pay the same to air the fight regardless if 1 person tunes in or 1 million people tune in?

Sky pay the same regardless of viewing figures, yes. £100k for SFN I believe, obviously depends on the fight for others.

For PPV they have their take, somewhere around the 50% mark, and the rest is split between boxers/promoters etc based on negotiations.

Not sure if I'll buy yet, but it's likely I'll try and get a few people to watch it, and in that case I would.

coxy0001 wrote:Won't be buying, will be using a perfectly legal online stream provided by myp2p.eu.

Those Chinese commentators really know their stuff...

That said I'll probably watch a grotty YouTube/DailyMotion video the morning after.

I won't be buying it. I will, instead, be living it up in New York which just happens to be a flipping fantastic city.

I will be there under the pretense of doing some "work" but will be off to find some sort of sports bar to watch it unfold live.

To paraphrase Alan, lovely stuff.

sodhat wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Won't be buying, will be using a perfectly legal online stream provided by myp2p.eu.

Those Chinese commentators really know their stuff...

That said I'll probably watch a grotty YouTube/DailyMotion video the morning after.

Myp2p have won legal rulings in the past.

Considering buying it. I think I'd be a 100% if they threw in a T-Shirt with a 'PRLMETINE' logo.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:I won't be buying it. I will, instead, be living it up in New York which just happens to be a flipping fantastic city.

I will be there under the pretense of doing some "work" but will be off to find some sort of sports bar to watch it unfold live.

To paraphrase Alan, lovely stuff.

So envious Tino, went to New York for wife's birthday earlier in the year, fantastic city.

Colour me envious, also.

My wife and I were married in New York. I had wanted to see the big apple ever since I was a small boy and I wasn't disappointed. Incredible experience, and I'd go again tomorrow if I could.

coxy0001 wrote:

sodhat wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Won't be buying, will be using a perfectly legal online stream provided by myp2p.eu.

Those Chinese commentators really know their stuff...

That said I'll probably watch a grotty YouTube/DailyMotion video the morning after.

Myp2p have won legal rulings in the past.

Let me clarify the situation on myp2p.

The site itself is legal, however......

The stuff they stream is not always legal. The loophole they have used to not get shut down is that they are not responsible for the content that people post on there - this is the ruling that they won.

So to clarify, the myp2p site is legal however, many of the streams that are shown on there are illegal.

Was about to say the same thing Hobo, myp2p is just a site full of links, they don't actually show any streams themselves.

Hobo wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

sodhat wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Won't be buying, will be using a perfectly legal online stream provided by myp2p.eu.

Those Chinese commentators really know their stuff...

That said I'll probably watch a grotty YouTube/DailyMotion video the morning after.

Myp2p have won legal rulings in the past.

Let me clarify the situation on myp2p.

The site itself is legal, however......

The stuff they stream is not always legal. The loophole they have used to not get shut down is that they are not responsible for the content that people post on there - this is the ruling that they won.

So to clarify, the myp2p site is legal however, many of the streams that are shown on there are illegal.

I've always wondered about it actually, and without outrightly admitting I use it (big brother's watching and all that) I have 'come across' it many times.

I'd imagine all of the streams are illegal unless from the owner of the broadcast in the country you are from?

I always thought, too, that the only ones that are punished are those who post the links as opposed to those who watch the streams...?

Website owners are the ones who will get in trouble, not the viewers. ISPs can block certain websites based on TV companies requests.

No blocking = i'm there, especially at 4am when there isn't much clamour for us to organise a big boys night in.

The reason why the comments about myp2p havent been deleted yet is due to the fact it has served a purpose to show that the streams are illegal.

However, we cannot condone any illegal activity or association of illegal activity.

You are not allowed to post on the boards any links to sites that engage in illegal streaming - this includes myp2p. This is a standard rule that is in place for all of the sections on these boards and has been enforced.

The simple ruling is that if you watch the stream, you ARE breaking the law, just the same as if you are receiving stolen goods.

I bet I'm not allowed to loot any more either?

This country. To the dogs!

Union Cane wrote:Was about to say the same thing Hobo, myp2p is just a site full of links, they don't actually show any streams themselves.

Somebody told me that this was the case.

rowley wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:I won't be buying it. I will, instead, be living it up in New York which just happens to be a flipping fantastic city.

I will be there under the pretense of doing some "work" but will be off to find some sort of sports bar to watch it unfold live.

To paraphrase Alan, lovely stuff.

So envious Tino, went to New York for wife's birthday earlier in the year, fantastic city.

I'm very fortunate Jeff/Windy. In my line of work I make it to the Big Apple at least once a year, sometimes more. I am desperate to get over there when a big fight is on at the Garden but so far haven't had such luck.

Great place and the locals sure know their boxing. Had trouble persuading some of them that Lennox Lewis was British last time I was over there, but we all know about that can of worms.

What a place to get married Windy. Nice one, Sir!

I certainly don't have an excuse to forget the anniversary, Tino !

I know it sounds daft, ( there's a boy in all of us, I guess, ) but I found myself sitting on the steps outside Madison Square Gardens for ten minutes or so, just watching the world go by and meditating on the fact that Ali and Frazier had slugged it out in the fight of the century in that very building. It was eerie.

Would love to have been the proverbial fly on the wall when you were having the Lewis discussion.

I need to get myself over to New York, seems incredible, however I fear that the sense of history and grandeur may just mean that the entire time passes me by in a blur!

Hobo wrote:The reason why the comments about myp2p havent been deleted yet is due to the fact it has served a purpose to show that the streams are illegal.

However, we cannot condone any illegal activity or association of illegal activity.

You are not allowed to post on the boards any links to sites that engage in illegal streaming - this includes myp2p. This is a standard rule that is in place for all of the sections on these boards and has been enforced.

The simple ruling is that if you watch the stream, you ARE breaking the law, just the same as if you are receiving stolen goods.

This is their legal statement, this abstains then from any punitive action so posting a link to the website itself isn't illegal - if it were illegal why would it still be running? I'd be surprised if you've covered such wonders as the data protection act and all the various other wonders of online legal issues, that's not posturing it's just that i have to deal with such issues 24/7. Why do we allow linking to images which if you're going to be "strict" is actually illegal as well.

http://www.myp2p.eu/noticetakedown.php

The above basically says that the host of the stream is liable and that they've posted the stream in good faith it is legal - this also covers users of the website as they act under the intentions that these streams are legal and legit. If the stream is found to be illegal myp2p pull the stream and the owners of the website get in trouble. Using the website has ZERO legal implications for users, the legal issue is 100% liable by the guys who post the stream.

HumanWindmill wrote:I know it sounds daft, ( there's a boy in all of us, I guess, ) but I found myself sitting on the steps outside Madison Square Gardens for ten minutes or so, just watching the world go by and meditating on the fact that Ali and Frazier had slugged it out in the fight of the century in that very building. It was eerie.

It was the same for me in Rome earlier this year Windy, the realisation that Paolo Vidoz had probably walked those very same streets was quite humbling.

Fists of Fury wrote:I need to get myself over to New York, seems incredible, however I fear that the sense of history and grandeur may just mean that the entire time passes me by in a blur!

Careful, such non boxing related comments will mean this thread is instantly pushed into non boxing chat.

Oh wait, you're an admin!

HumanWindmill wrote:I certainly don't have an excuse to forget the anniversary, Tino !

I know it sounds daft, ( there's a boy in all of us, I guess, ) but I found myself sitting on the steps outside Madison Square Gardens for ten minutes or so, just watching the world go by and meditating on the fact that Ali and Frazier had slugged it out in the fight of the century in that very building. It was eerie.

Would love to have been the proverbial fly on the wall when you were having the Lewis discussion.

I did a similar thing myself Windy. Just going to the Garden is special, but to see a big fight there is something I need to cross of the list.

The guys I was speaking too were Brooklynites and although they acknowledged Lewis's talent, they point blank refused to consider him as British. Could have been talking to TRUSS for all I know!

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:The guys I was speaking too were Brooklynites and although they acknowledged Lewis's talent, they point blank refused to consider him as British. Could have been talking to TRUSS for all I know!

Doubt it. TRUSS has probably never been to America.

Scottrf wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:The guys I was speaking too were Brooklynites and although they acknowledged Lewis's talent, they point blank refused to consider him as British. Could have been talking to TRUSS for all I know!

Doubt it. TRUSS has probably never been to America.

There's my morning coffee spitter. Thanks Scott.

Union Cane wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:I know it sounds daft, ( there's a boy in all of us, I guess, ) but I found myself sitting on the steps outside Madison Square Gardens for ten minutes or so, just watching the world go by and meditating on the fact that Ali and Frazier had slugged it out in the fight of the century in that very building. It was eerie.

It was the same for me in Rome earlier this year Windy, the realisation that Paolo Vidoz had probably walked those very same streets was quite humbling.

Ha !

Paolo Vidoz. Didn't he used to make batteries ?

HumanWindmill wrote:

Union Cane wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:I know it sounds daft, ( there's a boy in all of us, I guess, ) but I found myself sitting on the steps outside Madison Square Gardens for ten minutes or so, just watching the world go by and meditating on the fact that Ali and Frazier had slugged it out in the fight of the century in that very building. It was eerie.

It was the same for me in Rome earlier this year Windy, the realisation that Paolo Vidoz had probably walked those very same streets was quite humbling.

Ha !

Paolo Vidoz. Didn't he used to make batteries ?

He did, but found the job too highly charged.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:He did, but found the job too highly charged.

Kept getting amped up.