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AP Round 3
by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 12 Sep 2011, 11:31 am
First topic message reminder :
Team Sheets and tactics due by COB Thur
Predictions open Fri. Results due Sun/Mon
Bath Rugby v Exeter Chiefs
Light Rain, 17 Degrees, 11mph Winds
Bath Rugby
Manager – inthefastlane
16. Rob Hawkins 17. Richard Skuse 18. Aaron Jarvis 19. James Cannon 20. Will Skinner 21. James Grindal 22. Brock James 23. Richard Haughton
Tactics
Playing to the conditions
In the wind + rain we will once again look to implement a kicking game. We will be testing the Exeter back 3 in the air. Kelleher will look to box kick. Charlie Hodgson will also look for opportunities to get the ball in the air. GVDH + Monye will thrive off a chase and we feel that Exeter’s back three is off form at the moment
Set Piece
At the lineout we will look to keep them short with Maestri being used as banker ball. Isaac Ross and Johnnie Beattie give us a good option if this isn’t working. Against the throw Maestri, Ross and Beattie will look to disrupt their main jumpers. At scrum time we will look to target a unit that hasn’t spent as much time playing together as our front row has. Golding, Ward and PDP are all tough scrummagers and will be looking to win Exeter ball
Ball in hand
We will look for big strong carries from the likes of Golding, Ross + Beattie. We won’t try to be flashy with offloads in the wind. Allen, Waldouck, Kelleher and Guest will all be looking for the chance to make line breaks. We will look to get the ball to our back three once the defence is sucked in and with their pace we want them to make runs into space
Exeter Chiefs
Manager – Driver
16. Neil Clark 17.Efion Lewis-Roberts 18.Juan Orlandi 19.George Skivington 20.Marty Holah 21.Tomas O’Leary 22.George Ford 23.Matt Smith
Tactics
Conditions
Wet and windy matched by physical pack - Hayes comes in to strengthen our our push at scrum time and Stop the Bath Maul. Up front Sturgess/Kayser/Mercy are all fierce competators up front and will prove vital as we see the scrum as somewhere to dominate.
Mauling tackle - Holding the player up
- instead of putting isolated carriers to deck we will hold him up and pull Baths players into a maul cutting out there options outwide
- If Bath do get the player down it will be difficult to release the ball and will result in a Chiefs scrum where we will dominate.
PLAYER SELECTIONS
- Tom Mercy is a powerful tight head who will look to put plenty of pressure on the hook whilst pulling the loosehead out. Ben Kayser will also put pressure on hook looking to make a mess of the Bath front row.
- Haydn Thomas has started the season like a house on fire for the Chiefs in real life and is in great form in this game and will look for a big game to nail down his position.
Defense
- 2 layer blitz defence the first layer will look to rush up in the face of the attackers with a second layer (Mainly back row forwards and Scrum half) sweeping behind to counter kicks through and cover any line breaks and turnover the isolated runner and win the penalties.
- Wynard Oliver has poor hands and we will look to get at him Early doors with Adam Powell being picked to hit him hard and to the deck or use our Mauling Tactic to win a scrum.
Attacking phases
Myler will look to send traffic down Charlie Hodgson’s channel all game and rattle him early doors and put him off his game.
- With dominace at the scrum we will have taken there back row out of play and given ourselves the chance to generate quick 1st phase ball and punch holes in the bath defence with Powell/Smith picking lines from depth and charging at the gap pulling defenders in.
Line out
Exeter have plenty of options at Lineout time and will look to mix it up and shift the point of attack from the lineout.
James Hudson has been Falcons main man in the lineout in the last 2 seasons and is there only forward with any form these first two games.
TACTICS KEY POINTS
- We will play a FORWARD BASED GAME PLAN .
- We will use the SCRUM AS A WEPON and dominate this area looking to wheel the Bath back row out of the game.
- BIG RUNNERS IN OUR BACK LINE will be used to pull defenders in a generate quick 1st phase ball.
Harlequins v Gloucester Rugby
Light Rain, 18 Degrees, 13mph Winds
Harlequins
Manager – Steven_Sharks
16. Matthew Rees 17. Aston Croall 18. Kieran Brookes 19. Tom Donnelly 20. Jamie Gibson 21. Jano Vermaak 22. Freddie Burns 23. Jonathan Joseph
Tactics
We make two Changes to our side and one positional change. Ceri Jones comes in for Marler and James Gaskell comes in for Chris Henry with Phil Dowson moving to 8. The conditions will be greasy so we will not be looking to play a wide expansive game but will play low risk rugby which will look to build up pressure on Gloucester.
Key Points
• Win collisions in attack and defence. When we win collisions it makes it easier to win the battle at the breakdown.
• Up the tempo of our game when Gloucester’s defence is disorganised.
• Win collisions in both attack and defence so we can build or halt momentum.
• Dickson and Steenson to play a patient game and will use forwards to get quick ball before attacking wider channels.
• Attack Gloucester at each set piece and really go after the Gloucester Lineout.
• Build pressure up so Gloucester are knocked out of the comfort zone and move away from game plan.
• Don’t give away penalties needlessly. Keep scoreboard ticking over.
We are going to look to play in a similar style to our last two weeks as this has been successful. This will be based around a strong forward platform and patient play controlled by our half backs. When we see the Gloucester defence unorganised we will look to increase the intensity of our attacks.
Up front we are going to look to take it to Gloucester. We have picked a pack which is aggressive and confrontational and they will look to get in Gloucester’s faces. Our forwards will carry hard around the breakdown and in the midfield and will look to win the collisions and break the gain line. They will carry in numbers so that each player has support so the carrier can offload or we can secure quick ball for the backs from the ruck. With the greasy conditions we will only look to offload only when it is on.
At the breakdown we will look to commit numbers when we win the collision as this gives our forwards a target to hit. We will otherwise only compete at the breakdown when we have the first man there or we have superior numbers and can drive Gloucester off the ball. Robinson and Brits however will continually be looking to get turnovers at the breakdown. When we do get turnovers ball we will look to increase the intensity and attack an unorganised Gloucester defence.
At the scrum we will be looking to get quick ball and to try and get Dowson and Dickson breaking of the back of the scrum and they will then have the option of taking contact or looking for one of our centres running a line in the midfield. If we are getting an advantage at the scrum then we will look to try and milk it for penalties. At the lineout we will look to really target Gloucester’s throw with 4 very capable jumpers in Thion, Lund, Dowson and Gaskell. We will look to challenge at every lineout putting particular pressure upon the middle and back of the Gloucester lineout as this is where they will get the best quality ball from. If they throw to the front there only real option is to start a maul which we feel we can defend by immediately bringing the first man to the floor.
On our own lineout we will look to have a 5 man lineout with Gaskell, Thion and Lund as the jumpers. This will give is two forwards in the midfield to take the crash ball if we choose to use it. It is harder to steal ball from a short lineout and we will look to use these between the two 22 m lines with full lines being executed in both 22’s.
We will look for our back row and Brits to look to carry of 10 and 12 with our other forwards making themselves available off 9. We will only look to spread the ball wide when we get quick ball from the rucks and when this happens we will look for Flutey and particularly George Lowe to pick lines targeting gaps in the Gloucester defence. Blair will also look to join the line at pace to try and create and overlap.
Steenson will use his boot to test the positional play and skills of the Gloucester back 3. He will look to kick to spaces and into the corners when we are struggling to get any go forward. With the greasy conditions we feel that with the kicking games of Steenson, Flutey, Blair and Dickson can put pressure onto the Gloucester back 3 with accurate kicks which are well chased. With this being said we will not look to kick loosely to the Gloucester back three who will be dangerous on the counter attack.
In defence we will look to have a quick line speed and as said before we will look to win the collisions. When we have an organised defensive line we will look to double up in the tackle with one man making the tackle and the other targeting the ball. Our back 3 will be very aware of the kicking game of Gloucester and will be in position to handle the kicks with Dickson sweeping behind the defensive line.
With our game plan of building pressure we will look to keep our discipline and don’t want to give away penalties needlessly as this takes the pressure of Gloucester. We will add to the pressure by keeping the scoreboard ticking over when we have the chance.
If our game plan fails due to Gloucester spoil tactics or other reasons we have a side which we think can change tactics to a more attacking game and with a quick pack we think we can do well in a game played very quickly.
Our subs will look to be brought on between the 55 and 70 minute mark if they are required. Brits may revert to the back row if he is playing well when we introduce Matthew Rees. If we bring Burns on at 10 it will be because we need to increase our speed of play if we are chasing the game.
Target Vainikolo at 12. Get Flutey and Lowe running lines which test his positioning all day long. May not got the experience to cover for him.
Gloucester
Manager – anonmattyt
16. Strauss 17. Coonie 18. Harden 19. Deacon 20. Evans 21. Lamb 22. Short 23. Gear
Tactics
Only short but think I've got the Gloucester jist-is.
Similar to last week play at pace as always move point of contact etc.
SCRUM
We see this as a huge advantage for Gloucester. We have gone for 3 players in wood Fourie and Johnstone who are all bang in form and who are very mobile.
LINEOUT
We have 5 jumpers and one of the most accurate hookers in world rugby. This will allow us to vary our play and keep them guessing. We will vary our play and will look to drive lots of the first half ball to tire out the saints pack and to allow us to launch people like Aj off the back.
Target Breakdown & Rucks
Fast ball is key during the summer months and we'll look to commit to rucks to secure our own ball whilst targetting the opposition when it's on.
We have a seriously mobile pack and wood and Strauss are like flankers. We see this mobility as the key to continuity and for generating quick ball. Saull who is an out and out 7 will be looking to link the play and keep the high tempo which we are looking to play at.
to play at a high tempo you need mobility and you also need huge carriers. Gloucester have this in abundance and wood, Strauss, Deacon, Aj and RObson etc will look to keep saints on the back foot with their carrying and offloading. the carrying continues when glaws bench is dispersed with coonie, fourie, deacon, and Gareth Evans come on. look out for GAreth Evans this year he is a seriously mobile.
HALF BACKS
The key to playing at tempo comes from the half backs and Lewis and Donald has a better balance to it for me. Lewis is a proven performer and a great organiser of a team and will look to take it on when necessary and to provide Donald the ball to create. on the rare times we have bad ball Donald is great at taking in to contact on account of how big he is. Donald will play flat to the line and look to get our centres over the gain line and then look to hit wide off the second phase.
BACK PLAY GENERALLY
Donald will also fancy the high ball and we will be looking to use the bomb on him with our super quick backs chasing we see this as a hugely profitable.
Off first phase ball off the top Donald will be keen to send Big Les into their 10 channel to draw in more defenders or run over him.
Our back 3 is probably the best you will see from any team over the WC and we will look to use them as much as possible. Sharples will be used coming off his wing or in midfield and JSD will pop up at first or second receiver as he does in real life with massive threat.
We will look to take quick throw ins and really keep the tempo high. Sharples will be looking to pick lines off the big runner and target the offloads so he can use his searing pace which has seen him rise thru the england ranks
Key points
1. mobility- glos have the aility to blow them off the park
2 bench- our bench we believe is much stronger and will have more impact
3 lineout- clear advantage with lots of jumpers to hit.
Newcastle Falcons v Leicester Tigers
Sunny Intervals, 15 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Newcastle Falcons
Manager – Sgt Pooly
16. Joe Duffey 17. Oliver Tomaszczyk 18. Grant Shiells 19. Geoff Parling 20. Chris York 21. Jonny Arr 22. Tom Catterick 23. Topsy Ojo
Tactics
General play - It's all about a high tempo and controlling the ball. Our team has self belief and attitude running through it's core. We'll be looking to intimidate up front and attack with pace and guile in the backs with Evans being key. If 3 point is on we'll look to take it and until we have a clear lead. We’re coming off two wins and will look to hit Leicester from the off at 100mph, we won’t let up and we’ll be looking to smash the Leicester pack and really make a statement. Evans will pull the strings at 10 and keep us playing in the right areas of the pitch, contolling the tempo and looking for gaps in the Leicester backline.
Forwards
Set Piece
We'll be looking to use the set piece as a platform to set up attacks during the summer especially. Our tactics during each game may change if we spot a weakness in the oppposition set piece during the 80mins. This is the role of the team captain.
Scrum - We'll be looking to set a platform and use the scrum to get get fast ball to out 9/10 axis. PDJ and Stankovich are excellent technical scrummagers who will give us a sound foundation and look to get at their opposite numbers from the off. If a weakness is seen we’ll look to keep the push on and drive the opposition back, taking scrum options at pens if totally on top. If not we’ll be using the scrum as restart and getting the ball in and out so we can attack the opposition 9/10 axis.
We’ll be really targeting the Leicester props in this one as we feel we have a much stronger scummaging outfit. With our props being shorter we’ll try and get underneath the Leicester scrum and drive it up. Stankovich will look to dominate Rachenbach and tire him out early on with Shiells (Falcons starting LH) coming on to put further pressure on.
Lineout - Lindsay has had a few up and down games in the past with his throwing but he's never had a target in a poor Wasps set piece. We've brought in some world class operators to secure our own ball and target opposition throw. Vermeulen and Smith give us massive options in the back row. If a weakness is seen in the opposition throw we'll look to hit some corners and test their lineout out. We’ll look to vary the options at the through with Kruger calling the shots from the middle of the lineout. Flip will look to give us banker ball at the front when needed, whilst Juan Smith will marshall the rear of the lineout. Vermeulen will look to alternate middle/back depending on call. Brown & Joubert will be targeted from the off as we think these will be Leicesters primary options.
Target Breakdown & Rucks
Fast ball is key during the summer months and we'll look to commit to rucks to secure our own ball whilst targetting the opposition when it's on. With a huge back 5 we'll be look to get round the park and hits rucks hard, forcing the opposition back and giving us the chance of a takeover. Robshaw will look to make a nuisance of himself and slow down opposition ball on the floor. Flip & Smith will marshall the rucks, they will look to target any attempted slowing of our own ball and give Pretorious fast ball to feed Evans.
Huge carrying
We have huge carrying options in the pack and we'll look to use them throughout the game to wear the opposition down and give us a point of attack. We'll look to mix this up with Vermeulen coming off the scrum and Juan Smith, Robshaw, Lindsay, Vermeulen, Kruger giving us numerous options in tight and loose. We’ll look to vary the angles of attack with Evans using the reverse ball now and again with Smith and Vermeulen coming in. The 9/10 axis will hit early on and if successful will be used to draw the Leciester defence in. We’ll look to draw in the Leicester pack as much as possible to exploit possible one on ones in the backline where we have some serious gas.
Backs
Halfbacks
Halfbacks win you games on the hard pitches and in Pretorious/Evans we have two of the best about. With a solid platform Sarel will look to snipe around and find gaps in the opposion defense, especially at 2/3rd phase attacks when defenses start to fray. Pretorious gives us a massive threat and will look to mix his game up throughgout the game. Evans will play his natural game and come into the line flat. He’ll look to mix the play up with varying passes and look to hit behind the back 3 if on. Pretorious will sweep up behind a blitz defense with Barritt leading the line. We think they might be a bit of space especially between the Leicester 10/12 axis, Jauzion is a legend but his defence has slowed up and with Walder looking to cover Young we think they might be gaps to exploit, especially with Pretorious’s pace off the mark causing issues.
Backline balance
We have numerous running options and the option to mix things up in the backline. Barritt gives Evans go to ball if needed and we'll look to get Ben Smith in as second receiver to give us a different focal point. Payne will look to come off the shoulder of attacks (similar to Conrad) and inject pace into the midfield. He'll look to alternate at FB with Smith. Benjamin/Maitland give us pace and power on the flanks and we'll look to bring to bring them into the game whenever possible.
Points to target against opposition
After studying the opposition over a number of weeks we’ll be looking to specifically target these areas:
- Paul Doran-Jones will really look to get at Crockett early on. The AB tends to suffer against the smaller prop and and PDJ is a serious scrummager, he’ll look to get below the tall AB from the off. Similar on the LH side with Stankovich looking to get underneath an aging Faan.
- We’ll be really looking to overpower the Leciester pack on a whole
- Smith & Robshaw will look to target the Leicester 9/10 axis from the off, especially Walder with Smith looking to put some early big hits in
- Maitland will look to pressure Biggs. We feel this is a one sided affair and we’ll look to get the Kiwi on the one on one
- Evans will look to test out Poitrenaud with bomb’s early on and see if he’s up for the game
- Lineout – Bruno suffers from falling apart in the lineout esp away from home so we’ll look to put extreme pressure on the Leicester throw. We feel we have more quality jumpers in our pack so this could be an area we dominate
- Pace & tempo – especially in the backline. We’ll be really turning it up in this one, Leicester have a class backline but if anything they’re getting on. We’ll look to exploit their lack of pace by bringing our back 3 into the game at every chance and Pretorious running the show from 9.
- French backs – Not good travellers. We picked this up in the game against Wasps, that if the French backs in the Leicester lineup where targeted early on they just seemed to lose interest in the game. We’ll be paying a lot of interest to Jauzon, Fritz and Pointrenaud(esp) in the first 20mins with Smith and Flip looking for some big hits
- The Leicester team on a whole is pretty old so we’ll look to exploit this by moving their pack around the pitch. If we keep the tempo up this should open the game up for our pace men later in the game
MAJOR POINT
We won every game at home last season and come into this one off the back off two wins. Momentum is key and Leicester got beat last their last outing and now find themselves facing the champions away. Kingston Park is not a place to try and play your back into form.
Leicester Tigers
Manager – LukeLovesLuka
16. Dan Murphy 17. Matt Thompson 18. Johhny Harris 19. Chris Jack 20. Andy Hazell 20. Thomas Waldrom 21. Scott Mathie 22. Rupeni Caucaunibuca
Tactics
- We will go through the phases and look to dominate possession and starve Newcastle of the ball.
- There will be NO AIMLESS KICKING, we will be playing a possession game. We will keep the ball away from Newcastle as much as possible.
- With the ball in hand we want to attack together in groups so as not to become isolated, and if it is on we will look to offload in or just before the tackle. All players are to act as support runners when they can.
- All three of our back row, as well as the likes of Crockett and Hoeata, are encouraged to run straight to best utilise the carrying options they bring, and we will look to drive on through tackles as much as possible to get over the gain line.
- We are playing with a left and right flanker. We will target the breakdown massively, with two players who can play openside on our flanks. Newcastle don't have an out and out 7 so this could be huge for us.
- We are going to be using our backrow to disrupt Newcastle all game, slowing ball down and stopping them playing their usual game.
- Play a disruptive game - Lund and Poff to really get after both Pretorious and Evans and force them into mistakes.
- Target Tom Lindsay massively. Look to Bruno to give him a schooling in the scrum, and Brown AND Joubert to get after his throwing in the lineout.
- Brown calls the lineout. We will keep it simple by hitting one of our big jumpers and building phases off the lineout, with Brown and Joubert as our go-to men, along with Hoeata and also Chris Jack to come on.
- Look for Rautenbach to gain parity with Stank, and then look to Bruno and Crockett to get a real shove on, with PDJ and in particular Lindsay the target. Newcastle props are just as tall as ours, so no worries about getting done underneath today.
- We will look to really go after the Newcastle backline. They have played very few games together, with most of them not long out of school, and there is hardly any International experience from 9-15. We will aim to smash them up with a blitz defence, maintaining a strong line, with Young sweeping in behind.
- The likes of Bruno, Rautenbach, Brown, Lund, Joubert, Walder, Jauzion, Fritz, Nacewa and Poitrenaud have a great deal of experience. Newcastle are full to the brim of young, inexperienced players, and we will look to use this difference to our advantage.
- We will look to target the defense of Payne, Maitland and Benjamin in particluar. We will look to test these players with a mixture of big powerful carriers straight through them, and speedsters on the outside.
- Last 30 mins are where we will look to win the game. 5/2 split on bench to help our hard-working forwards. On comes the likes of Jack, Hazell, Waldrom and Caucau. Nacewa covers 10-15 in the back line. Caucau, and in particular Waldrom, to look to destroy Newcastle in the last quarter, bursting through tired tackles with direct running. Newcastle have little to offer from the bench, and this period of the game will be huge for us.
Saracens v Worcester Warriors
White Cloud, 18 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Saracens
Manager – LDCPete
16. George Chuter 17. Alex Waller 18. Phil Swainston 19. Graham Kitchener 20. Luke Narraway 21.Shaun Perry 22. Nevin Spence 23. Tom Homer
Tactics
Our generic tactics centre around 4 key areas.
1. The Set Piece
In the front row of our scrum we have selected players who are compact at 5'11", 5'11" and 6'. They will look to provide a solid base and get underneath their opponents whilst also looking to get short binds giving a more stable grip on their opponent allowing us to control the movement of the scrum. If we get an early nudge on our own put in we will look to take advantage by getting a slight wheel on to take the Worcester flankers out of play before launching an attack off the back. If we don't get a nudge we will look to get the ball in and out quickly and get a big runner across the gainline close to the scrum and get support to the breakdown area quickly to recycle and go again. On Worcester’s ball we will really attack the scrum looking to force them into errors and frustrate them into conceding penalties or kicking the ball to us.
Steve Borthwick will run the lineout and we will mix it up between playing quickly off the top and getting the ball into midfield and securing possession and keeping it tight and using the maul to suck defenders in. On Worcester’s throw, we will use Elstadt as an athletic front jumper to try to disrupt the throw and cause mistakes. If Worcester are looking to take quick ball of the top to go wide with we will get up and really contest and try to disrupt the quality of ball. If they are looking to secure it and play tight, we will not contest as much but will look to hit hard as soon as the catcher lands in order to knock him back and not allow any forward momentum.
2. The Breakdown
We will look to be dynamic and accurate at the tackle area. On our own ball we will look to get a minimum of two players there quickly. Our first man to arrive will not go to challenge for the ball unless it is virtually out and he has the opportunity to take it and carry on forward immediately. He will instead target the opposition 'fetcher' and clear him out ensuring that he cannot get his hands on the ball. Our second man there will then secure the ball which should be cleaner and able to be recycled quicker as no opposition player will have his hands on it grappling for it.
On opposition ball if we arrive at the breakdown with superior numbers we will immediately counter ruck. We won't go for slowing down the ball, we will go in to create immediate possession. If we do not get there quickly enough in sufficient numbers and the breakdown has been won by the opposition, we won't commit numbers to the contest but will stand off maintaining a strong defensive line, immediately getting ready for the approaching attack.
We will only contest for the turnover if the opportunity presents itself, and we will be efficient and intelligent at picking our moments. You can’t “fetch” at every breakdown, you have to read the situation and then effect the best option.
3. Defence
We will play a blitz defence with real focus on line speed and coming up as a unit to stop Worcester before the gainline and not allow any momentum to build for them whatsoever. Paul Hodgson will act as a defensive sweeper behind the line for us. If we do not allow them any forward momentum at the gainline they will have to resort to kicking the ball back to us.
4. Attack
We will look to play a high intensity running game using our big carriers to get across the gainline and offload in or just before the tackle to support runners hitting the gaps. If running the ball is not on we will utilise the kicking games of Humphreys, Farrell, Twelvetrees and Goode, to get us in to the right areas of the field.
Game specific tactics vs. Worcester Warriors
1. Target the breakdown for quick ball. We have selected two flankers who are both natural opensides, but have a varied enough skillset to play blindside. We will play left/right flanker with both of them tasked to utilise their breakdown skills and on every occasion possible to secure quick ball for us. To this end will want our front 5 players rucking hard and fast beyond the ball clearing players out so we can get the ball quickly to our backs to play.
2. Running rugby In good conditions this week we want to keep possession and run the ball. We will look to vary how we attack ball in hand, with Goode coming into the line early at times to try to draw defenders and create gaps to put runners through. We will also use both wingers coming off their wings into midfield to use Vissers pace and power and Ranger's creativity to create gaps in the defensive line.
3. Target the scrum Our front 5 are together for the 3rd game running. That is not a big ask this early in the season and they are now used to playing as a unit. In contrast the Worcester front row have not played together yet as a unit, and Marconnet has been switched sides after playing his last two games at tighthead, which is not an easy thing to do. Mullan and Botha will be looking to really target Andress on the tighthead side and destabilise the Worcester scrum, which will give us a big mental advantage and could also yield penalties to increase pressure on them.
4. Build pressure We want to put Worcester under pressure and se ehow they cope. To do this early on we will utilise the kicking games that we have in the backs to play in the right areas. We will take all kickable penalties using the most appropriate kicker for where on the field the penalty is to create pressure via the scoreboard. If we are unable to penetrate the defensive line in the Worcester 22 we will also look to take drop goals to increase the scoreboard pressure.
Key Points
1. In game form/momentum
In the 3 seasons of this game in the AP and HC our home record reads P43 W39 D3 L1. Vicarage Road is a fortress. We are 2 wins from 2 so far this season and are building momentum. Defensively we are very good having conceded just 1 try in 2 matches. We have used just 25 players across our three matches so far, rotating within the matchday 23 to breed continuity and assist with form and momentum.
2. Real life form
We have a number of players in good real life form. Matt Mullan has looked very good in the AP so far, and James Scaysbrook is the captain of the current AP leaders and has been tremendous in both games. Farrell scored 23 of Saracens 28 points last week and Twelvetrees got all 29 of Leicesters including 2 tries playing at outside centre. Humphreys has steered Ulster to 2 wins from 2 games from 10, and Visser was on the scoresheet for a terrible Edinburgh side last week. Botha and Harris had good S15 seasons, Elstadt was superb for the Stormers, and Steve Borthwick is the captain of the currrent AP champions. All in all form wise we are in tip top shape.
3. Balance
We have great balance to our team. A front row who can all scrummage but also get around the park, a physical 4 and a lineout specialist in the second row, and 2 good allround flankers who do the business at the breakdown along with a dynamic ball carrying 8 in the pack. In the backs we have a 9 with great game management and a 10 who is a good attacking option to compliment him. A 12 who is a fantastic defender alongside a 13 who has size and pace and good hands so can be a running threat from midfield. Both midfielders also can play 10 and have great kicking games meaning we can go to plan B and play territory if we need to. In the back three we have a full back who is solid defensively, attacks well and has a great kicking game, alongside one winger who is pace and power and is a finisher, and another who provides moments of magic and create a try from nothing. Overall this team can adapt to differing conditions and situations and do what needs to be done in order to get results.
Worcester Warriors
Manager – prop_lyd
16. Richardt Strauss 17. George Porter 18. BJ Botha 19. Dom Barrow 20. Ben Morgan 20. Jordi Pasqualin 21. Nicky Robinson 22. Gavin Henson
Tactics
After a massive up front battle vs Gloucester we make a few changes to the pack adding experience to hold off Sarries.
Forwards
Play a hard physical game up front to draw in the Sarries players. 1st 2 men at the breakdown look to split the ruck and 3rd man in and over the ruck to pick up the free ball. We will ruck hard and play a forward orientated 1st 30 minutes to tire the Worcester pack. Andress has been good this season and Forety will help to hold the youngster tight in the scrums with Marconnet comfortable on both sides. We have many lineout options so will mix them up and have picked 2 opensides to counter Sarries' tactical play.
Chabal will pick when he wants from the base of the ruck and always makes ground with Williams and Newby behind him.
Backs
Peel-Chabal axis works well together so Peel will want to play off of quick ball. We have big hitting players all over the park so will look to draw in the Sarries defence before speading out wide to Tuilagi and Garvey. Again our big forwards will be used running off of 10,12,13 to constantly mix it up. Vesty will look to pin Sarries back from 30mins onwards and is comfortable at kicking from most places. In defence we will have one of our back rowers sttod by Vesty to take the runner out and we will be up in a banana defence to stop the ball being spun out.
Overall
Hard forwards rugby.
Take penalties when kickable.
We are in good form having run both Sale and Glocuester very close.
We have an experienced bench and will use Henson's magic for the last 15 continuing him getting game time.
Strauss will come on after 60 minutes to add a new attacking threat and a 4th backrower on the pitch.
We will have the mentality of never give up like we had at Leeds and want to make people worried about Sixways.
Northampton Saints v London Irish
Light Rain, 17 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Northampton Saints
Manager – Dammit_Chris
16. Chris Whitehead 17. Henry Thomas 18. Mako Vunipola 19. Joe Launchbury 20. Ryan Kankowski 21. Charlie Davies 22. Lionel Beauxis 23. Julian Savea
Tactics:
Overall - Key Points
* Play to our strengths, a strong set piece and maurading backrow, will use the scrum to put pressure on London Irish and secure ball to work through the phases and put Matt Giteau on the front foot to attack the Irish backline, particularly the midfield, which has not played together very often. Getting Giteau on the front foot is key to our gameplan.
* We will look to use our backrow to cause Irish problems for the duration of the game, Messam, Lapandy and Taylor each offer something different and we have Kankowski to come off the bench and make an impact later on in the game.
* Consisent team selection - the vast majority of our team has played together for the best part of three seasons - this familiarity with each other is vital for the team, and the flow and structure of our game plan. We will be looking to exploit this factor in the front five and the midfield, where we think gaps could appear and the game could open up.
* Take all 3 points available in first half and then play more expansive rugby in the second, or if we build a lead of 9+ points at anyone time. Giteau to dictate tempo of game.
* Irish have made a bad start to the season and coming to Franklins Gardens is not the place where that will change...
Forwards
We have selected a strong pack and two very mobile second rows, with Clark being able to contribute a lot at the breakdown, which is a contest we will be aiming to dominate. We have Launchbury and Kankowski to bring on for impact and to ensure that our backrow is constantly fresh and pressurising the Irish team - particularly Bowden, we will want to get him to shuffle the ball to their no12 and isolate him and secure turnover (see backline defence strategy). We feel we have a strong advantage in the front row and backrow, which should see us secure more ball than Irish.
We will really target the Irish scrum, during the WC we feel that we've arguably got the best front row (Rob Webber awesome start to the season!) and this is an area where we can cause Irish some damage, and potentially work penaltieis from. Especially with Hayman's experience.
Lineout, again the wind is an issue, so lineout calls will be kept simple for Attwood, Taylor or Clark. In attacking positions we will bring our backrow into midfield to run off Giteau and set up a platform to attack.
Overall we will look to keep hold of the ball, work through the phases and play patient rugby and then look to change the speed of the game through Giteau, with our dynamic ball carriers. We will look to bring Kankowski onto the pitch fro Taylor on 55mins and this will add to Messam's ball carrying threat.
Backs
We will look to utilise the diefferent skill sets of our backthree - and know that the key to this game is to inject pace into our attacks at key points. We will be looking for Lualala and Siviatu to offer ball carrying options and get us over the gainline. We will get Wade to follow these runs and try and get him involved in as much broken play and fast ball as possible - his speed and ability to dodge tackles could be vital, especially as we have Giteau, Geraghty and Cips to put him into space. In space no one will catch him.
Will aim to change the attacking focus by allowing Cips and Geraghty to also go at first receiver - each offers a different threat, Cipriani's pace, Geraghty's threat by standing flat. This will allow Giteau to take the ball in the 12 channel and attack the 12/13 access of Irish directly.
It's at home and we will be looking to attack Irish and put them under pressure whenever possible.
In defence we will again look for Lualala to push up on Tait, with the view that their inside centre will have his pass on the outside cut off and will then be swamped by our backrow and isolated. We want to get him in mis-matches with Lapandy, Messam and Taylor, force him into mistakes and get turnovers.
London Irish
Manager – stnick88
16. Darren Fearn 17. James Buckland 18. Duncan Bell 19. Nick Kennedy 20. Joe Worsley 21. Neal De Kock 22. Juan Martin Hernandez 23. Mathieu Bastereaud
London Irish make 4 changes from last week’s game at Sale, with Neil Briggs, Mouritz Botha, Keegan Daniel and Matthew Tait coming in to the side for James Buckland, Nick Kennedy, Joe Worsley and Mathieu Bastereaud.
The conditions are OK and will allow us to play a bit of rugby, though we will look to keep things tight at first and build up possession before spreading play too much. This involves using the big ball carriers like Rush, Mumm, Nel and Naqalevuki. We will look to target Shane Geraghty and get Naqalevuki running at him.
We will look to have a solid scrum to attack off and see the lineout as an area we can get some joy. Botha will be our main jumper with Mumm and Daniel also providing options. In the 2nd half we will bring Kennedy on to really put pressure on Saints lineout and secure good ball for ourselves.
We are targeting the breakdown in this game as an area we can gain an upper hand. If we sense a turnover, Fourie will be in there to try and steal the ball so we can hit the Saints on the counter. If the turnover is not on, we will look to legally try and slow Saints down as there backline will struggle without quick ball.
Dupuy and Bowden will continue their good partnership and look to control the game and play what is in front of them. Dupuy will use his kicking to get us in the right areas of the pitch and Bowden use his creativity to create space for our runners. We will look to get the on-form Naqalevuki involved and running in to space or through players which he seems to be doing in real life!
We will not kick loose ball to Saints back 3 as they are dangerous runners, if we are in our 22 we will make sure we find touch, even if that means sacrificing 10 yards of territory as we want to put pressure on Saints lineout. In open play, we will look to run the ball back if it’s on.
In defence we will get up in Saints face and put pressure on them and not allow them time to settle. Basson has been put on Wade’s wing as we recognise his pace and want to counter that. We feel that starving Saints of good ball and not letting them get a good, attacking rhythm will go a long way to winning us this match.
We have some very good subs to bring on to see out the game. JMH will come on for Sackey, with Bowden going to 12, Naqalevuki to 13 and Tait to the wing. We will use JMH’s boot for drop goals if necessary. We also have Big Bast to bring on and cause a tired Saints defence more problems.
London Wasps v Sale Sharks
Light Rain, 17 Degrees, 10mph Winds
"London Wasps
Manager – ‘Arry
16. Andy Titterell 17. Benn Robinson 18. Juan Gomez 19. Stuart Hooper 20. Steve Mafi 21. Martin Roberts 22. Rory Clegg 23. Tom May
Tactics
Our game plan is based around using the power we have in our team. We will look to use the set piece as a platform for attacks. Our front row is a very good scrummaging unit and we will hopefully be able to build attacks from there and earn some penalties for Gopperth to make use of. Our pack will be physical and relentless up front, we will play with controlled aggression.
Early on we will look to our forwards to get us onto the front foot by attacking in groups
with some grunt and powerful carrying. We will start as we mean to go on with a high intensity, hitting the collision area hard and driving our players over the gain line.
Our forwards will recycle the ball efficiently early on. We have three excellent kicking options in Gopperth, McAlister and Mortlock, we will look to kick in behind the Sale wingers and keep them pinned back where we will look to pressurise them into making mistakes in their own half.
We will look to hit the rucks hard and compete when we can, Stegmann is our out and out fetcher and with his low centre of gravity he will be our main competitor at the breakdown area. At rucks on our own ball we will look to secure the ball and come from low to high to present Claassens with clean, quick ball.
We will look to compete at the breakdown if we have the numbers there, however if the ball is clearly there’s we will not commit numbers to the ruck, instead we will look to organize our defence ready to deal with the next Sale carrier.
In the forwards we will look to drive our carriers over the gain line and really look to win the collisions. We have plenty of dynamic carriers including the explosive Tom Johnson. Gopperth will look to bring in our strike runners in McAlister and Mortlock.
We will be targeting the outside shoulder of the Sale players and will look to attack the fly half channel in the Sale defence. We will support our runners and look to keep them on their feet driving them over the gain line, building up momentum and speed in our attacks.
With the ball in hand we will also look to attack gaps and half gaps in the Sale defence, and hopefully open them up. As the game goes on and we are hopefully on the front foot if possible we will look to get our offloading game going to alternate the point of attack and keep Sale working off the ball in defence and pierce the gaps we have created.
At lineouts we will look to exert as much pressure as possible on Sale’s throws with Wentzel looking to steal some opposition throws. On our own throw we will mainly use Wentzel but will mix it up by using Chisholm, Johnson and Stegmann. From there we will look to slowly sap the energy out of Sale by using the rolling maul. We will look to suck in as many Sale defenders to open up spaces elsewhere for us to attack.
Our back row will look to rush Cruden into rash decisions by getting really up close and personal. Hopefully we can prevent Sale from setting out a solid base by disrupting the quality of ball they get and from there we will be able to pressurise Cruden. Gopperth will kick all kickable penalties in the first half to keep the score board ticking over.
We will look to attack in numbers, we have plenty of powerful and dynamic carriers in our pack who will get us over the gain line and set us out a solid platform to build from. We have plenty of grit in our team and feel that if we can push Sale onto the back foot we will be able to unsettle them
Sale Sharks
Manager – SJE
16. Imolek 17. Sharman 18. Kruger 19. Day 20. Horstman 21. Bezy 22. Goode 23. Abendanoon
Setpiece
At scrum time we will be looking to really turn the screw. Schuster and Tialata will look to get in under their man and really disrupt Wasps looking to force them up to get the nudge on. At the lineout, we will look to Bekker to be our talisman. He will call the line and will have Sykes, at the front, and our entire back row to support him as jumpers to mix things up. Our jumpers will look to either play the ball of the top quickly and look to our backline to move it or bring it down into a maul and make the hard yards through the pack, sucking in the opposition forwards to leave space out wide for our backs. On opposition ball we will look for Bekker to follow Wentzal in the line and get up in challenge and disrupt the Wasps lineout. If we really start to get on top of the lineout we will look to Cruden to kick for the corners a few times and really put the pressure on.
Breakdown
We have a very mobile and quick pack to really target the breakdown. On our own ball we will look to our forwards to get numbers to the breakdown quickly rucking past the ball and clearing out the opposition boys looking to recycle clean fast ball. On defence, if the ball carrier is isolated we will look to seriously commit numbers and will look to Todd to secure us turnover ball. At all other times we will commit lighter numbers to the breakdown but look to counter ruck slowing down Wasps ball allowing our defensive line more time to set.
General Attacking Play
We will look to play a strong carrying game using our big carriers to hit the gain line offloading in or just before the tackle (when its on) to support runners breaking the defensive line and keeping our forward momentum going. Masaga will look to come in field at different times tracking the runs of our bigger carriers looking for the ball on the offload. We will look to play smart away at Adams park and look to the boots of Cruden and Barkley to keep us in Wasps territory.
Danny Care will look to play around the fringes of the breakdown and make his usual snipping runs when it’s on, tying the Wasps back row to the breakdown. Cruden and Barkley have been instructed to play heads up rugby and if overlaps or gaps appear they will look to get the ball moving and take advantage. Rooney will look to come up from fullback from time to time and offer an extra ball carrying threat while looking to create these overlaps out wide.
Cruden will look to kick for goal when in Wasps territory and take the drop goal option when it’s available to keep the score board moving. Danny Care though will look for the quick tap when the Wasps defence is slow to organise.
General Defensive Play
In defence we will be using a blitz defence and will look to get up at pace looking to isolate the ball carrier before he gets to the gain line stopping any Wasps momentum and allowing us to hit the breakdown hard. We will look to keep Wasps on the back foot forcing the kick. Danny Care will act as a sweeper and look to cover any chips in behind the line. Our wingers will look to sit deeper on defence then the rest of the line ready for these kicks. Our back three have been instructed to play to their strengths and look for the counter attack, running the ball back with serious pace.
Key Points
• Momentum- We have started the season off with two very impressive wins and want to continue this run here against Wasps.
• We see Noah Cato as a weakness on the wing. He is not great positionally or under the high ball and so we have brought Olly Barkley into the midfield to give an extra kicking option and to help put kicks in behind him and to put a few high balls up.
• We see the lineout as an area we can cause some real problems. Bekker, one of the best lineout operators in the world, will look to mark Wentzel out in the line and get his hands on some ball while Sykes will look to jump at the front as we cant see many over top jumping options for Wasps to really put the pressure on young Joe Gray.
Team Sheets and tactics due by COB Thur
Predictions open Fri. Results due Sun/Mon
Bath Rugby v Exeter Chiefs
Light Rain, 17 Degrees, 11mph Winds
Bath Rugby
Manager – inthefastlane
| 01. Jon Golding | 09. Byron Kelleher |
| 02. Joe Ward | 10. Charlie Hodgson |
| 03. Petrus Du Plessis | |
| 04. Yoann Maestri | 11. Ugo Monye |
| 05. Isaac Ross | 12. Wynard Oliver |
| 06. Tom Guest | 13.Anthony Allen |
| 07.Steffon Armitage | 14. Geghard Van Der Heever |
| 08. Johnnie Beattie | 15. Tim Nanai Williams |
Tactics
Playing to the conditions
In the wind + rain we will once again look to implement a kicking game. We will be testing the Exeter back 3 in the air. Kelleher will look to box kick. Charlie Hodgson will also look for opportunities to get the ball in the air. GVDH + Monye will thrive off a chase and we feel that Exeter’s back three is off form at the moment
Set Piece
At the lineout we will look to keep them short with Maestri being used as banker ball. Isaac Ross and Johnnie Beattie give us a good option if this isn’t working. Against the throw Maestri, Ross and Beattie will look to disrupt their main jumpers. At scrum time we will look to target a unit that hasn’t spent as much time playing together as our front row has. Golding, Ward and PDP are all tough scrummagers and will be looking to win Exeter ball
Ball in hand
We will look for big strong carries from the likes of Golding, Ross + Beattie. We won’t try to be flashy with offloads in the wind. Allen, Waldouck, Kelleher and Guest will all be looking for the chance to make line breaks. We will look to get the ball to our back three once the defence is sucked in and with their pace we want them to make runs into space
Exeter Chiefs
Manager – Driver
| 01.Brett Sturgess | 09.Haydn Thomas |
| 02.Ben Kayser | 10. Steven Myler |
| 03.Tom Mercy | |
| 04.Tommy Hayes | 11.Luke Fitzgerald |
| 05.James Hudson | 12.Adam Powell |
| 06.Ben Skirving | 13.Regan King |
| 07.Carl Fearns | 14.Adam Thompstone |
| 08.Gareth Delve | 15.Luke Arscott |
16. Neil Clark 17.Efion Lewis-Roberts 18.Juan Orlandi 19.George Skivington 20.Marty Holah 21.Tomas O’Leary 22.George Ford 23.Matt Smith
Tactics
Conditions
Wet and windy matched by physical pack - Hayes comes in to strengthen our our push at scrum time and Stop the Bath Maul. Up front Sturgess/Kayser/Mercy are all fierce competators up front and will prove vital as we see the scrum as somewhere to dominate.
Mauling tackle - Holding the player up
- instead of putting isolated carriers to deck we will hold him up and pull Baths players into a maul cutting out there options outwide
- If Bath do get the player down it will be difficult to release the ball and will result in a Chiefs scrum where we will dominate.
PLAYER SELECTIONS
- Tom Mercy is a powerful tight head who will look to put plenty of pressure on the hook whilst pulling the loosehead out. Ben Kayser will also put pressure on hook looking to make a mess of the Bath front row.
- Haydn Thomas has started the season like a house on fire for the Chiefs in real life and is in great form in this game and will look for a big game to nail down his position.
Defense
- 2 layer blitz defence the first layer will look to rush up in the face of the attackers with a second layer (Mainly back row forwards and Scrum half) sweeping behind to counter kicks through and cover any line breaks and turnover the isolated runner and win the penalties.
- Wynard Oliver has poor hands and we will look to get at him Early doors with Adam Powell being picked to hit him hard and to the deck or use our Mauling Tactic to win a scrum.
Attacking phases
Myler will look to send traffic down Charlie Hodgson’s channel all game and rattle him early doors and put him off his game.
- With dominace at the scrum we will have taken there back row out of play and given ourselves the chance to generate quick 1st phase ball and punch holes in the bath defence with Powell/Smith picking lines from depth and charging at the gap pulling defenders in.
Line out
Exeter have plenty of options at Lineout time and will look to mix it up and shift the point of attack from the lineout.
James Hudson has been Falcons main man in the lineout in the last 2 seasons and is there only forward with any form these first two games.
TACTICS KEY POINTS
- We will play a FORWARD BASED GAME PLAN .
- We will use the SCRUM AS A WEPON and dominate this area looking to wheel the Bath back row out of the game.
- BIG RUNNERS IN OUR BACK LINE will be used to pull defenders in a generate quick 1st phase ball.
Harlequins v Gloucester Rugby
Light Rain, 18 Degrees, 13mph Winds
Harlequins
Manager – Steven_Sharks
| 01. Ceri Jones | 09. Lee Dickson (c) |
| 02. Schalk Brits | 10. Gareth Steenson |
| 03. Brian Mujati | |
| 04. Jerome Thion | 11. Joe Rokocoko |
| 05. Erik Lund | 12. Riki Flutey |
| 06. James Gaskell | 13. George Lowe |
| 07. Beau Robinson | 14. Luke Morahan |
| 08. Phil Dowson | 15. Ben Blair |
16. Matthew Rees 17. Aston Croall 18. Kieran Brookes 19. Tom Donnelly 20. Jamie Gibson 21. Jano Vermaak 22. Freddie Burns 23. Jonathan Joseph
Tactics
We make two Changes to our side and one positional change. Ceri Jones comes in for Marler and James Gaskell comes in for Chris Henry with Phil Dowson moving to 8. The conditions will be greasy so we will not be looking to play a wide expansive game but will play low risk rugby which will look to build up pressure on Gloucester.
Key Points
• Win collisions in attack and defence. When we win collisions it makes it easier to win the battle at the breakdown.
• Up the tempo of our game when Gloucester’s defence is disorganised.
• Win collisions in both attack and defence so we can build or halt momentum.
• Dickson and Steenson to play a patient game and will use forwards to get quick ball before attacking wider channels.
• Attack Gloucester at each set piece and really go after the Gloucester Lineout.
• Build pressure up so Gloucester are knocked out of the comfort zone and move away from game plan.
• Don’t give away penalties needlessly. Keep scoreboard ticking over.
We are going to look to play in a similar style to our last two weeks as this has been successful. This will be based around a strong forward platform and patient play controlled by our half backs. When we see the Gloucester defence unorganised we will look to increase the intensity of our attacks.
Up front we are going to look to take it to Gloucester. We have picked a pack which is aggressive and confrontational and they will look to get in Gloucester’s faces. Our forwards will carry hard around the breakdown and in the midfield and will look to win the collisions and break the gain line. They will carry in numbers so that each player has support so the carrier can offload or we can secure quick ball for the backs from the ruck. With the greasy conditions we will only look to offload only when it is on.
At the breakdown we will look to commit numbers when we win the collision as this gives our forwards a target to hit. We will otherwise only compete at the breakdown when we have the first man there or we have superior numbers and can drive Gloucester off the ball. Robinson and Brits however will continually be looking to get turnovers at the breakdown. When we do get turnovers ball we will look to increase the intensity and attack an unorganised Gloucester defence.
At the scrum we will be looking to get quick ball and to try and get Dowson and Dickson breaking of the back of the scrum and they will then have the option of taking contact or looking for one of our centres running a line in the midfield. If we are getting an advantage at the scrum then we will look to try and milk it for penalties. At the lineout we will look to really target Gloucester’s throw with 4 very capable jumpers in Thion, Lund, Dowson and Gaskell. We will look to challenge at every lineout putting particular pressure upon the middle and back of the Gloucester lineout as this is where they will get the best quality ball from. If they throw to the front there only real option is to start a maul which we feel we can defend by immediately bringing the first man to the floor.
On our own lineout we will look to have a 5 man lineout with Gaskell, Thion and Lund as the jumpers. This will give is two forwards in the midfield to take the crash ball if we choose to use it. It is harder to steal ball from a short lineout and we will look to use these between the two 22 m lines with full lines being executed in both 22’s.
We will look for our back row and Brits to look to carry of 10 and 12 with our other forwards making themselves available off 9. We will only look to spread the ball wide when we get quick ball from the rucks and when this happens we will look for Flutey and particularly George Lowe to pick lines targeting gaps in the Gloucester defence. Blair will also look to join the line at pace to try and create and overlap.
Steenson will use his boot to test the positional play and skills of the Gloucester back 3. He will look to kick to spaces and into the corners when we are struggling to get any go forward. With the greasy conditions we feel that with the kicking games of Steenson, Flutey, Blair and Dickson can put pressure onto the Gloucester back 3 with accurate kicks which are well chased. With this being said we will not look to kick loosely to the Gloucester back three who will be dangerous on the counter attack.
In defence we will look to have a quick line speed and as said before we will look to win the collisions. When we have an organised defensive line we will look to double up in the tackle with one man making the tackle and the other targeting the ball. Our back 3 will be very aware of the kicking game of Gloucester and will be in position to handle the kicks with Dickson sweeping behind the defensive line.
With our game plan of building pressure we will look to keep our discipline and don’t want to give away penalties needlessly as this takes the pressure of Gloucester. We will add to the pressure by keeping the scoreboard ticking over when we have the chance.
If our game plan fails due to Gloucester spoil tactics or other reasons we have a side which we think can change tactics to a more attacking game and with a quick pack we think we can do well in a game played very quickly.
Our subs will look to be brought on between the 55 and 70 minute mark if they are required. Brits may revert to the back row if he is playing well when we introduce Matthew Rees. If we bring Burns on at 10 it will be because we need to increase our speed of play if we are chasing the game.
Target Vainikolo at 12. Get Flutey and Lowe running lines which test his positioning all day long. May not got the experience to cover for him.
Gloucester
Manager – anonmattyt
| 01. Nick Wood | 09. Dave Lewis |
| 02. Deon Fourie | 10. Stephen Donald |
| 03. James Johnston | |
| 04. George Robson | 11. James Simpson Daniels |
| 05. James Hanks | 12. Leslie Vainikolo |
| 06. Peter Buxton | 13. Johnny May |
| 07. Andy Saull | 14. Charlie Sharples |
| 08. Ashley Johnson | 15. Scott Hamilton |
Tactics
Only short but think I've got the Gloucester jist-is.
Similar to last week play at pace as always move point of contact etc.
SCRUM
We see this as a huge advantage for Gloucester. We have gone for 3 players in wood Fourie and Johnstone who are all bang in form and who are very mobile.
LINEOUT
We have 5 jumpers and one of the most accurate hookers in world rugby. This will allow us to vary our play and keep them guessing. We will vary our play and will look to drive lots of the first half ball to tire out the saints pack and to allow us to launch people like Aj off the back.
Target Breakdown & Rucks
Fast ball is key during the summer months and we'll look to commit to rucks to secure our own ball whilst targetting the opposition when it's on.
We have a seriously mobile pack and wood and Strauss are like flankers. We see this mobility as the key to continuity and for generating quick ball. Saull who is an out and out 7 will be looking to link the play and keep the high tempo which we are looking to play at.
to play at a high tempo you need mobility and you also need huge carriers. Gloucester have this in abundance and wood, Strauss, Deacon, Aj and RObson etc will look to keep saints on the back foot with their carrying and offloading. the carrying continues when glaws bench is dispersed with coonie, fourie, deacon, and Gareth Evans come on. look out for GAreth Evans this year he is a seriously mobile.
HALF BACKS
The key to playing at tempo comes from the half backs and Lewis and Donald has a better balance to it for me. Lewis is a proven performer and a great organiser of a team and will look to take it on when necessary and to provide Donald the ball to create. on the rare times we have bad ball Donald is great at taking in to contact on account of how big he is. Donald will play flat to the line and look to get our centres over the gain line and then look to hit wide off the second phase.
BACK PLAY GENERALLY
Donald will also fancy the high ball and we will be looking to use the bomb on him with our super quick backs chasing we see this as a hugely profitable.
Off first phase ball off the top Donald will be keen to send Big Les into their 10 channel to draw in more defenders or run over him.
Our back 3 is probably the best you will see from any team over the WC and we will look to use them as much as possible. Sharples will be used coming off his wing or in midfield and JSD will pop up at first or second receiver as he does in real life with massive threat.
We will look to take quick throw ins and really keep the tempo high. Sharples will be looking to pick lines off the big runner and target the offloads so he can use his searing pace which has seen him rise thru the england ranks
Key points
1. mobility- glos have the aility to blow them off the park
2 bench- our bench we believe is much stronger and will have more impact
3 lineout- clear advantage with lots of jumpers to hit.
Newcastle Falcons v Leicester Tigers
Sunny Intervals, 15 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Newcastle Falcons
Manager – Sgt Pooly
| 01. Boris Stankovich | 09. Sarel Pretorious |
| 02. Tom Lindsay | 10. Nick Evans |
| 03. Paul Doran-Jones | |
| 04. Flip van der Merwe | 11. Sean Maitland |
| 05. Juandre Kruger | 12. Brad Barritt |
| 06. Juan Smith(c) | 13. Jared Payne |
| 07. Chris Robshaw | 14. Miles Benjamin |
| 08. Duane Vermeulen | 15. Ben Smith |
16. Joe Duffey 17. Oliver Tomaszczyk 18. Grant Shiells 19. Geoff Parling 20. Chris York 21. Jonny Arr 22. Tom Catterick 23. Topsy Ojo
Tactics
General play - It's all about a high tempo and controlling the ball. Our team has self belief and attitude running through it's core. We'll be looking to intimidate up front and attack with pace and guile in the backs with Evans being key. If 3 point is on we'll look to take it and until we have a clear lead. We’re coming off two wins and will look to hit Leicester from the off at 100mph, we won’t let up and we’ll be looking to smash the Leicester pack and really make a statement. Evans will pull the strings at 10 and keep us playing in the right areas of the pitch, contolling the tempo and looking for gaps in the Leicester backline.
Forwards
Set Piece
We'll be looking to use the set piece as a platform to set up attacks during the summer especially. Our tactics during each game may change if we spot a weakness in the oppposition set piece during the 80mins. This is the role of the team captain.
Scrum - We'll be looking to set a platform and use the scrum to get get fast ball to out 9/10 axis. PDJ and Stankovich are excellent technical scrummagers who will give us a sound foundation and look to get at their opposite numbers from the off. If a weakness is seen we’ll look to keep the push on and drive the opposition back, taking scrum options at pens if totally on top. If not we’ll be using the scrum as restart and getting the ball in and out so we can attack the opposition 9/10 axis.
We’ll be really targeting the Leicester props in this one as we feel we have a much stronger scummaging outfit. With our props being shorter we’ll try and get underneath the Leicester scrum and drive it up. Stankovich will look to dominate Rachenbach and tire him out early on with Shiells (Falcons starting LH) coming on to put further pressure on.
Lineout - Lindsay has had a few up and down games in the past with his throwing but he's never had a target in a poor Wasps set piece. We've brought in some world class operators to secure our own ball and target opposition throw. Vermeulen and Smith give us massive options in the back row. If a weakness is seen in the opposition throw we'll look to hit some corners and test their lineout out. We’ll look to vary the options at the through with Kruger calling the shots from the middle of the lineout. Flip will look to give us banker ball at the front when needed, whilst Juan Smith will marshall the rear of the lineout. Vermeulen will look to alternate middle/back depending on call. Brown & Joubert will be targeted from the off as we think these will be Leicesters primary options.
Target Breakdown & Rucks
Fast ball is key during the summer months and we'll look to commit to rucks to secure our own ball whilst targetting the opposition when it's on. With a huge back 5 we'll be look to get round the park and hits rucks hard, forcing the opposition back and giving us the chance of a takeover. Robshaw will look to make a nuisance of himself and slow down opposition ball on the floor. Flip & Smith will marshall the rucks, they will look to target any attempted slowing of our own ball and give Pretorious fast ball to feed Evans.
Huge carrying
We have huge carrying options in the pack and we'll look to use them throughout the game to wear the opposition down and give us a point of attack. We'll look to mix this up with Vermeulen coming off the scrum and Juan Smith, Robshaw, Lindsay, Vermeulen, Kruger giving us numerous options in tight and loose. We’ll look to vary the angles of attack with Evans using the reverse ball now and again with Smith and Vermeulen coming in. The 9/10 axis will hit early on and if successful will be used to draw the Leciester defence in. We’ll look to draw in the Leicester pack as much as possible to exploit possible one on ones in the backline where we have some serious gas.
Backs
Halfbacks
Halfbacks win you games on the hard pitches and in Pretorious/Evans we have two of the best about. With a solid platform Sarel will look to snipe around and find gaps in the opposion defense, especially at 2/3rd phase attacks when defenses start to fray. Pretorious gives us a massive threat and will look to mix his game up throughgout the game. Evans will play his natural game and come into the line flat. He’ll look to mix the play up with varying passes and look to hit behind the back 3 if on. Pretorious will sweep up behind a blitz defense with Barritt leading the line. We think they might be a bit of space especially between the Leicester 10/12 axis, Jauzion is a legend but his defence has slowed up and with Walder looking to cover Young we think they might be gaps to exploit, especially with Pretorious’s pace off the mark causing issues.
Backline balance
We have numerous running options and the option to mix things up in the backline. Barritt gives Evans go to ball if needed and we'll look to get Ben Smith in as second receiver to give us a different focal point. Payne will look to come off the shoulder of attacks (similar to Conrad) and inject pace into the midfield. He'll look to alternate at FB with Smith. Benjamin/Maitland give us pace and power on the flanks and we'll look to bring to bring them into the game whenever possible.
Points to target against opposition
After studying the opposition over a number of weeks we’ll be looking to specifically target these areas:
- Paul Doran-Jones will really look to get at Crockett early on. The AB tends to suffer against the smaller prop and and PDJ is a serious scrummager, he’ll look to get below the tall AB from the off. Similar on the LH side with Stankovich looking to get underneath an aging Faan.
- We’ll be really looking to overpower the Leciester pack on a whole
- Smith & Robshaw will look to target the Leicester 9/10 axis from the off, especially Walder with Smith looking to put some early big hits in
- Maitland will look to pressure Biggs. We feel this is a one sided affair and we’ll look to get the Kiwi on the one on one
- Evans will look to test out Poitrenaud with bomb’s early on and see if he’s up for the game
- Lineout – Bruno suffers from falling apart in the lineout esp away from home so we’ll look to put extreme pressure on the Leicester throw. We feel we have more quality jumpers in our pack so this could be an area we dominate
- Pace & tempo – especially in the backline. We’ll be really turning it up in this one, Leicester have a class backline but if anything they’re getting on. We’ll look to exploit their lack of pace by bringing our back 3 into the game at every chance and Pretorious running the show from 9.
- French backs – Not good travellers. We picked this up in the game against Wasps, that if the French backs in the Leicester lineup where targeted early on they just seemed to lose interest in the game. We’ll be paying a lot of interest to Jauzon, Fritz and Pointrenaud(esp) in the first 20mins with Smith and Flip looking for some big hits
- The Leicester team on a whole is pretty old so we’ll look to exploit this by moving their pack around the pitch. If we keep the tempo up this should open the game up for our pace men later in the game
MAJOR POINT
We won every game at home last season and come into this one off the back off two wins. Momentum is key and Leicester got beat last their last outing and now find themselves facing the champions away. Kingston Park is not a place to try and play your back into form.
Leicester Tigers
Manager – LukeLovesLuka
| 01. Wyatt Crockett | 09. Micky Young |
| 02. Sebastian Bruno | 10. Dave Walder (k) |
| 03. Faan Rautenbach | |
| 04. Jarrad Hoeata | 11. Isa Nacewa |
| 05. Alex Brown | 12. Yannick Jauzion |
| 06. Magnus Lund | 13. Florian Fritz |
| 07. Jonathan Poff | 14. Tom Biggs |
| 08. Ernst Joubert (c) | 15. Clement Poitrenaud |
Tactics
- We will go through the phases and look to dominate possession and starve Newcastle of the ball.
- There will be NO AIMLESS KICKING, we will be playing a possession game. We will keep the ball away from Newcastle as much as possible.
- With the ball in hand we want to attack together in groups so as not to become isolated, and if it is on we will look to offload in or just before the tackle. All players are to act as support runners when they can.
- All three of our back row, as well as the likes of Crockett and Hoeata, are encouraged to run straight to best utilise the carrying options they bring, and we will look to drive on through tackles as much as possible to get over the gain line.
- We are playing with a left and right flanker. We will target the breakdown massively, with two players who can play openside on our flanks. Newcastle don't have an out and out 7 so this could be huge for us.
- We are going to be using our backrow to disrupt Newcastle all game, slowing ball down and stopping them playing their usual game.
- Play a disruptive game - Lund and Poff to really get after both Pretorious and Evans and force them into mistakes.
- Target Tom Lindsay massively. Look to Bruno to give him a schooling in the scrum, and Brown AND Joubert to get after his throwing in the lineout.
- Brown calls the lineout. We will keep it simple by hitting one of our big jumpers and building phases off the lineout, with Brown and Joubert as our go-to men, along with Hoeata and also Chris Jack to come on.
- Look for Rautenbach to gain parity with Stank, and then look to Bruno and Crockett to get a real shove on, with PDJ and in particular Lindsay the target. Newcastle props are just as tall as ours, so no worries about getting done underneath today.
- We will look to really go after the Newcastle backline. They have played very few games together, with most of them not long out of school, and there is hardly any International experience from 9-15. We will aim to smash them up with a blitz defence, maintaining a strong line, with Young sweeping in behind.
- The likes of Bruno, Rautenbach, Brown, Lund, Joubert, Walder, Jauzion, Fritz, Nacewa and Poitrenaud have a great deal of experience. Newcastle are full to the brim of young, inexperienced players, and we will look to use this difference to our advantage.
- We will look to target the defense of Payne, Maitland and Benjamin in particluar. We will look to test these players with a mixture of big powerful carriers straight through them, and speedsters on the outside.
- Last 30 mins are where we will look to win the game. 5/2 split on bench to help our hard-working forwards. On comes the likes of Jack, Hazell, Waldrom and Caucau. Nacewa covers 10-15 in the back line. Caucau, and in particular Waldrom, to look to destroy Newcastle in the last quarter, bursting through tired tackles with direct running. Newcastle have little to offer from the bench, and this period of the game will be huge for us.
Saracens v Worcester Warriors
White Cloud, 18 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Saracens
Manager – LDCPete
| 01. Matt Mullan | 09. Paul Hodgson |
| 02. Gary Botha | 10. Iain Humphreys |
| 03. Brok Harris | |
| 04. Rynhard Elstadt | 11. Rene Ranger |
| 05. Steve Borthwick | 12. Owen Farrell |
| 06. George Smith | 13. Billy Twelvetrees |
| 07. James Scaysbrook | 14. Tim Visser |
| 08. Joe van Niekerk (c) | 15. Alex Goode |
16. George Chuter 17. Alex Waller 18. Phil Swainston 19. Graham Kitchener 20. Luke Narraway 21.Shaun Perry 22. Nevin Spence 23. Tom Homer
Tactics
Our generic tactics centre around 4 key areas.
1. The Set Piece
In the front row of our scrum we have selected players who are compact at 5'11", 5'11" and 6'. They will look to provide a solid base and get underneath their opponents whilst also looking to get short binds giving a more stable grip on their opponent allowing us to control the movement of the scrum. If we get an early nudge on our own put in we will look to take advantage by getting a slight wheel on to take the Worcester flankers out of play before launching an attack off the back. If we don't get a nudge we will look to get the ball in and out quickly and get a big runner across the gainline close to the scrum and get support to the breakdown area quickly to recycle and go again. On Worcester’s ball we will really attack the scrum looking to force them into errors and frustrate them into conceding penalties or kicking the ball to us.
Steve Borthwick will run the lineout and we will mix it up between playing quickly off the top and getting the ball into midfield and securing possession and keeping it tight and using the maul to suck defenders in. On Worcester’s throw, we will use Elstadt as an athletic front jumper to try to disrupt the throw and cause mistakes. If Worcester are looking to take quick ball of the top to go wide with we will get up and really contest and try to disrupt the quality of ball. If they are looking to secure it and play tight, we will not contest as much but will look to hit hard as soon as the catcher lands in order to knock him back and not allow any forward momentum.
2. The Breakdown
We will look to be dynamic and accurate at the tackle area. On our own ball we will look to get a minimum of two players there quickly. Our first man to arrive will not go to challenge for the ball unless it is virtually out and he has the opportunity to take it and carry on forward immediately. He will instead target the opposition 'fetcher' and clear him out ensuring that he cannot get his hands on the ball. Our second man there will then secure the ball which should be cleaner and able to be recycled quicker as no opposition player will have his hands on it grappling for it.
On opposition ball if we arrive at the breakdown with superior numbers we will immediately counter ruck. We won't go for slowing down the ball, we will go in to create immediate possession. If we do not get there quickly enough in sufficient numbers and the breakdown has been won by the opposition, we won't commit numbers to the contest but will stand off maintaining a strong defensive line, immediately getting ready for the approaching attack.
We will only contest for the turnover if the opportunity presents itself, and we will be efficient and intelligent at picking our moments. You can’t “fetch” at every breakdown, you have to read the situation and then effect the best option.
3. Defence
We will play a blitz defence with real focus on line speed and coming up as a unit to stop Worcester before the gainline and not allow any momentum to build for them whatsoever. Paul Hodgson will act as a defensive sweeper behind the line for us. If we do not allow them any forward momentum at the gainline they will have to resort to kicking the ball back to us.
4. Attack
We will look to play a high intensity running game using our big carriers to get across the gainline and offload in or just before the tackle to support runners hitting the gaps. If running the ball is not on we will utilise the kicking games of Humphreys, Farrell, Twelvetrees and Goode, to get us in to the right areas of the field.
Game specific tactics vs. Worcester Warriors
1. Target the breakdown for quick ball. We have selected two flankers who are both natural opensides, but have a varied enough skillset to play blindside. We will play left/right flanker with both of them tasked to utilise their breakdown skills and on every occasion possible to secure quick ball for us. To this end will want our front 5 players rucking hard and fast beyond the ball clearing players out so we can get the ball quickly to our backs to play.
2. Running rugby In good conditions this week we want to keep possession and run the ball. We will look to vary how we attack ball in hand, with Goode coming into the line early at times to try to draw defenders and create gaps to put runners through. We will also use both wingers coming off their wings into midfield to use Vissers pace and power and Ranger's creativity to create gaps in the defensive line.
3. Target the scrum Our front 5 are together for the 3rd game running. That is not a big ask this early in the season and they are now used to playing as a unit. In contrast the Worcester front row have not played together yet as a unit, and Marconnet has been switched sides after playing his last two games at tighthead, which is not an easy thing to do. Mullan and Botha will be looking to really target Andress on the tighthead side and destabilise the Worcester scrum, which will give us a big mental advantage and could also yield penalties to increase pressure on them.
4. Build pressure We want to put Worcester under pressure and se ehow they cope. To do this early on we will utilise the kicking games that we have in the backs to play in the right areas. We will take all kickable penalties using the most appropriate kicker for where on the field the penalty is to create pressure via the scoreboard. If we are unable to penetrate the defensive line in the Worcester 22 we will also look to take drop goals to increase the scoreboard pressure.
Key Points
1. In game form/momentum
In the 3 seasons of this game in the AP and HC our home record reads P43 W39 D3 L1. Vicarage Road is a fortress. We are 2 wins from 2 so far this season and are building momentum. Defensively we are very good having conceded just 1 try in 2 matches. We have used just 25 players across our three matches so far, rotating within the matchday 23 to breed continuity and assist with form and momentum.
2. Real life form
We have a number of players in good real life form. Matt Mullan has looked very good in the AP so far, and James Scaysbrook is the captain of the current AP leaders and has been tremendous in both games. Farrell scored 23 of Saracens 28 points last week and Twelvetrees got all 29 of Leicesters including 2 tries playing at outside centre. Humphreys has steered Ulster to 2 wins from 2 games from 10, and Visser was on the scoresheet for a terrible Edinburgh side last week. Botha and Harris had good S15 seasons, Elstadt was superb for the Stormers, and Steve Borthwick is the captain of the currrent AP champions. All in all form wise we are in tip top shape.
3. Balance
We have great balance to our team. A front row who can all scrummage but also get around the park, a physical 4 and a lineout specialist in the second row, and 2 good allround flankers who do the business at the breakdown along with a dynamic ball carrying 8 in the pack. In the backs we have a 9 with great game management and a 10 who is a good attacking option to compliment him. A 12 who is a fantastic defender alongside a 13 who has size and pace and good hands so can be a running threat from midfield. Both midfielders also can play 10 and have great kicking games meaning we can go to plan B and play territory if we need to. In the back three we have a full back who is solid defensively, attacks well and has a great kicking game, alongside one winger who is pace and power and is a finisher, and another who provides moments of magic and create a try from nothing. Overall this team can adapt to differing conditions and situations and do what needs to be done in order to get results.
Worcester Warriors
Manager – prop_lyd
| 01. Sylvain Marconnet | 09. Dwayne Peel |
| 02. Chris Fortey | 10. Sam Vesty(k) |
| 03. John Andress | |
| 04. Ollie Kohn | 11. Julien Malzieu |
| 05. Peter Short | 12. Anitelia Tuilagi |
| 06. Craig Newby | 13. Jon Clarke |
| 07. Martyn Williams (c) | 14. Marcel Garvey |
| 08. Sebastian Chabal | |
| 15. Greig Tonks |
Tactics
After a massive up front battle vs Gloucester we make a few changes to the pack adding experience to hold off Sarries.
Forwards
Play a hard physical game up front to draw in the Sarries players. 1st 2 men at the breakdown look to split the ruck and 3rd man in and over the ruck to pick up the free ball. We will ruck hard and play a forward orientated 1st 30 minutes to tire the Worcester pack. Andress has been good this season and Forety will help to hold the youngster tight in the scrums with Marconnet comfortable on both sides. We have many lineout options so will mix them up and have picked 2 opensides to counter Sarries' tactical play.
Chabal will pick when he wants from the base of the ruck and always makes ground with Williams and Newby behind him.
Backs
Peel-Chabal axis works well together so Peel will want to play off of quick ball. We have big hitting players all over the park so will look to draw in the Sarries defence before speading out wide to Tuilagi and Garvey. Again our big forwards will be used running off of 10,12,13 to constantly mix it up. Vesty will look to pin Sarries back from 30mins onwards and is comfortable at kicking from most places. In defence we will have one of our back rowers sttod by Vesty to take the runner out and we will be up in a banana defence to stop the ball being spun out.
Overall
Hard forwards rugby.
Take penalties when kickable.
We are in good form having run both Sale and Glocuester very close.
We have an experienced bench and will use Henson's magic for the last 15 continuing him getting game time.
Strauss will come on after 60 minutes to add a new attacking threat and a 4th backrower on the pitch.
We will have the mentality of never give up like we had at Leeds and want to make people worried about Sixways.
Northampton Saints v London Irish
Light Rain, 17 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Northampton Saints
Manager – Dammit_Chris
| 01. Thomas Domingo | 09. Stuart Commins |
| 02. Rob Webber | 10.Matt Giteau (k) |
| 03. Carl Hayman | |
| 04. Dave Attwood | 11. Siti Siviatu |
| 05. Calum Clark | 12. Shane Geraghty) |
| 06. Liam Messam | 13. Casey Lualala |
| 07. Alexander Lapandy | 14. Christian Wade |
| 08. Simon Taylor(c) | 15. Danny Cipriani |
16. Chris Whitehead 17. Henry Thomas 18. Mako Vunipola 19. Joe Launchbury 20. Ryan Kankowski 21. Charlie Davies 22. Lionel Beauxis 23. Julian Savea
Tactics:
Overall - Key Points
* Play to our strengths, a strong set piece and maurading backrow, will use the scrum to put pressure on London Irish and secure ball to work through the phases and put Matt Giteau on the front foot to attack the Irish backline, particularly the midfield, which has not played together very often. Getting Giteau on the front foot is key to our gameplan.
* We will look to use our backrow to cause Irish problems for the duration of the game, Messam, Lapandy and Taylor each offer something different and we have Kankowski to come off the bench and make an impact later on in the game.
* Consisent team selection - the vast majority of our team has played together for the best part of three seasons - this familiarity with each other is vital for the team, and the flow and structure of our game plan. We will be looking to exploit this factor in the front five and the midfield, where we think gaps could appear and the game could open up.
* Take all 3 points available in first half and then play more expansive rugby in the second, or if we build a lead of 9+ points at anyone time. Giteau to dictate tempo of game.
* Irish have made a bad start to the season and coming to Franklins Gardens is not the place where that will change...
Forwards
We have selected a strong pack and two very mobile second rows, with Clark being able to contribute a lot at the breakdown, which is a contest we will be aiming to dominate. We have Launchbury and Kankowski to bring on for impact and to ensure that our backrow is constantly fresh and pressurising the Irish team - particularly Bowden, we will want to get him to shuffle the ball to their no12 and isolate him and secure turnover (see backline defence strategy). We feel we have a strong advantage in the front row and backrow, which should see us secure more ball than Irish.
We will really target the Irish scrum, during the WC we feel that we've arguably got the best front row (Rob Webber awesome start to the season!) and this is an area where we can cause Irish some damage, and potentially work penaltieis from. Especially with Hayman's experience.
Lineout, again the wind is an issue, so lineout calls will be kept simple for Attwood, Taylor or Clark. In attacking positions we will bring our backrow into midfield to run off Giteau and set up a platform to attack.
Overall we will look to keep hold of the ball, work through the phases and play patient rugby and then look to change the speed of the game through Giteau, with our dynamic ball carriers. We will look to bring Kankowski onto the pitch fro Taylor on 55mins and this will add to Messam's ball carrying threat.
Backs
We will look to utilise the diefferent skill sets of our backthree - and know that the key to this game is to inject pace into our attacks at key points. We will be looking for Lualala and Siviatu to offer ball carrying options and get us over the gainline. We will get Wade to follow these runs and try and get him involved in as much broken play and fast ball as possible - his speed and ability to dodge tackles could be vital, especially as we have Giteau, Geraghty and Cips to put him into space. In space no one will catch him.
Will aim to change the attacking focus by allowing Cips and Geraghty to also go at first receiver - each offers a different threat, Cipriani's pace, Geraghty's threat by standing flat. This will allow Giteau to take the ball in the 12 channel and attack the 12/13 access of Irish directly.
It's at home and we will be looking to attack Irish and put them under pressure whenever possible.
In defence we will again look for Lualala to push up on Tait, with the view that their inside centre will have his pass on the outside cut off and will then be swamped by our backrow and isolated. We want to get him in mis-matches with Lapandy, Messam and Taylor, force him into mistakes and get turnovers.
London Irish
Manager – stnick88
| 01. Matias Aguero | 09. Julien Dupuy |
| 02. Neil Briggs | 10. Daniel Bowden |
| 03. WP Nel | |
| 04. Dean Mumm | 11. Bjorn Basson |
| 05. Mouritz Botha | 12. Sireli Naqalevuki |
| 06. Keegan Daniel | 13. Matthew Tait |
| 07. Hendrie Fourie | 14. Paul Sackey |
| 08. Xavier Rush | 15. Zane Kirchner |
16. Darren Fearn 17. James Buckland 18. Duncan Bell 19. Nick Kennedy 20. Joe Worsley 21. Neal De Kock 22. Juan Martin Hernandez 23. Mathieu Bastereaud
London Irish make 4 changes from last week’s game at Sale, with Neil Briggs, Mouritz Botha, Keegan Daniel and Matthew Tait coming in to the side for James Buckland, Nick Kennedy, Joe Worsley and Mathieu Bastereaud.
The conditions are OK and will allow us to play a bit of rugby, though we will look to keep things tight at first and build up possession before spreading play too much. This involves using the big ball carriers like Rush, Mumm, Nel and Naqalevuki. We will look to target Shane Geraghty and get Naqalevuki running at him.
We will look to have a solid scrum to attack off and see the lineout as an area we can get some joy. Botha will be our main jumper with Mumm and Daniel also providing options. In the 2nd half we will bring Kennedy on to really put pressure on Saints lineout and secure good ball for ourselves.
We are targeting the breakdown in this game as an area we can gain an upper hand. If we sense a turnover, Fourie will be in there to try and steal the ball so we can hit the Saints on the counter. If the turnover is not on, we will look to legally try and slow Saints down as there backline will struggle without quick ball.
Dupuy and Bowden will continue their good partnership and look to control the game and play what is in front of them. Dupuy will use his kicking to get us in the right areas of the pitch and Bowden use his creativity to create space for our runners. We will look to get the on-form Naqalevuki involved and running in to space or through players which he seems to be doing in real life!
We will not kick loose ball to Saints back 3 as they are dangerous runners, if we are in our 22 we will make sure we find touch, even if that means sacrificing 10 yards of territory as we want to put pressure on Saints lineout. In open play, we will look to run the ball back if it’s on.
In defence we will get up in Saints face and put pressure on them and not allow them time to settle. Basson has been put on Wade’s wing as we recognise his pace and want to counter that. We feel that starving Saints of good ball and not letting them get a good, attacking rhythm will go a long way to winning us this match.
We have some very good subs to bring on to see out the game. JMH will come on for Sackey, with Bowden going to 12, Naqalevuki to 13 and Tait to the wing. We will use JMH’s boot for drop goals if necessary. We also have Big Bast to bring on and cause a tired Saints defence more problems.
London Wasps v Sale Sharks
Light Rain, 17 Degrees, 10mph Winds
"London Wasps
Manager – ‘Arry
| 01. Perry Freshwater | 09. Michael Claassens |
| 02. Joe Gray | 10. Jimmy Gopperth |
| 03. Carlos Nieto | |
| 04. Mark Chisholm | 11. Noah Cato |
| 05. Marco Wentzel | 12. Luke McAlister |
| 06. Tom Johnson | 13. Stirling Mortlock (c) |
| 07. Deon Stegmann | 14. Tom Williams |
| 08. Roger Wilson | 15. Mike Brown |
16. Andy Titterell 17. Benn Robinson 18. Juan Gomez 19. Stuart Hooper 20. Steve Mafi 21. Martin Roberts 22. Rory Clegg 23. Tom May
Tactics
Our game plan is based around using the power we have in our team. We will look to use the set piece as a platform for attacks. Our front row is a very good scrummaging unit and we will hopefully be able to build attacks from there and earn some penalties for Gopperth to make use of. Our pack will be physical and relentless up front, we will play with controlled aggression.
Early on we will look to our forwards to get us onto the front foot by attacking in groups
with some grunt and powerful carrying. We will start as we mean to go on with a high intensity, hitting the collision area hard and driving our players over the gain line.
Our forwards will recycle the ball efficiently early on. We have three excellent kicking options in Gopperth, McAlister and Mortlock, we will look to kick in behind the Sale wingers and keep them pinned back where we will look to pressurise them into making mistakes in their own half.
We will look to hit the rucks hard and compete when we can, Stegmann is our out and out fetcher and with his low centre of gravity he will be our main competitor at the breakdown area. At rucks on our own ball we will look to secure the ball and come from low to high to present Claassens with clean, quick ball.
We will look to compete at the breakdown if we have the numbers there, however if the ball is clearly there’s we will not commit numbers to the ruck, instead we will look to organize our defence ready to deal with the next Sale carrier.
In the forwards we will look to drive our carriers over the gain line and really look to win the collisions. We have plenty of dynamic carriers including the explosive Tom Johnson. Gopperth will look to bring in our strike runners in McAlister and Mortlock.
We will be targeting the outside shoulder of the Sale players and will look to attack the fly half channel in the Sale defence. We will support our runners and look to keep them on their feet driving them over the gain line, building up momentum and speed in our attacks.
With the ball in hand we will also look to attack gaps and half gaps in the Sale defence, and hopefully open them up. As the game goes on and we are hopefully on the front foot if possible we will look to get our offloading game going to alternate the point of attack and keep Sale working off the ball in defence and pierce the gaps we have created.
At lineouts we will look to exert as much pressure as possible on Sale’s throws with Wentzel looking to steal some opposition throws. On our own throw we will mainly use Wentzel but will mix it up by using Chisholm, Johnson and Stegmann. From there we will look to slowly sap the energy out of Sale by using the rolling maul. We will look to suck in as many Sale defenders to open up spaces elsewhere for us to attack.
Our back row will look to rush Cruden into rash decisions by getting really up close and personal. Hopefully we can prevent Sale from setting out a solid base by disrupting the quality of ball they get and from there we will be able to pressurise Cruden. Gopperth will kick all kickable penalties in the first half to keep the score board ticking over.
We will look to attack in numbers, we have plenty of powerful and dynamic carriers in our pack who will get us over the gain line and set us out a solid platform to build from. We have plenty of grit in our team and feel that if we can push Sale onto the back foot we will be able to unsettle them
Sale Sharks
Manager – SJE
| 01. Jerome Schuster | 09. Danny Care |
| 02. David Paice | 10. Aaron Cruden |
| 03. Neemia Tialata | |
| 04. Steven Sykes | 11. David Strettle |
| 05. Andries Bekker | 12. Olly Barkley |
| 06. Neil Best | 13. Robbie Freuen |
| 07. Matt Todd | 14. Lelia Masaga |
| 08. Jordan Crane | 15. Luke Rooney |
16. Imolek 17. Sharman 18. Kruger 19. Day 20. Horstman 21. Bezy 22. Goode 23. Abendanoon
Setpiece
At scrum time we will be looking to really turn the screw. Schuster and Tialata will look to get in under their man and really disrupt Wasps looking to force them up to get the nudge on. At the lineout, we will look to Bekker to be our talisman. He will call the line and will have Sykes, at the front, and our entire back row to support him as jumpers to mix things up. Our jumpers will look to either play the ball of the top quickly and look to our backline to move it or bring it down into a maul and make the hard yards through the pack, sucking in the opposition forwards to leave space out wide for our backs. On opposition ball we will look for Bekker to follow Wentzal in the line and get up in challenge and disrupt the Wasps lineout. If we really start to get on top of the lineout we will look to Cruden to kick for the corners a few times and really put the pressure on.
Breakdown
We have a very mobile and quick pack to really target the breakdown. On our own ball we will look to our forwards to get numbers to the breakdown quickly rucking past the ball and clearing out the opposition boys looking to recycle clean fast ball. On defence, if the ball carrier is isolated we will look to seriously commit numbers and will look to Todd to secure us turnover ball. At all other times we will commit lighter numbers to the breakdown but look to counter ruck slowing down Wasps ball allowing our defensive line more time to set.
General Attacking Play
We will look to play a strong carrying game using our big carriers to hit the gain line offloading in or just before the tackle (when its on) to support runners breaking the defensive line and keeping our forward momentum going. Masaga will look to come in field at different times tracking the runs of our bigger carriers looking for the ball on the offload. We will look to play smart away at Adams park and look to the boots of Cruden and Barkley to keep us in Wasps territory.
Danny Care will look to play around the fringes of the breakdown and make his usual snipping runs when it’s on, tying the Wasps back row to the breakdown. Cruden and Barkley have been instructed to play heads up rugby and if overlaps or gaps appear they will look to get the ball moving and take advantage. Rooney will look to come up from fullback from time to time and offer an extra ball carrying threat while looking to create these overlaps out wide.
Cruden will look to kick for goal when in Wasps territory and take the drop goal option when it’s available to keep the score board moving. Danny Care though will look for the quick tap when the Wasps defence is slow to organise.
General Defensive Play
In defence we will be using a blitz defence and will look to get up at pace looking to isolate the ball carrier before he gets to the gain line stopping any Wasps momentum and allowing us to hit the breakdown hard. We will look to keep Wasps on the back foot forcing the kick. Danny Care will act as a sweeper and look to cover any chips in behind the line. Our wingers will look to sit deeper on defence then the rest of the line ready for these kicks. Our back three have been instructed to play to their strengths and look for the counter attack, running the ball back with serious pace.
Key Points
• Momentum- We have started the season off with two very impressive wins and want to continue this run here against Wasps.
• We see Noah Cato as a weakness on the wing. He is not great positionally or under the high ball and so we have brought Olly Barkley into the midfield to give an extra kicking option and to help put kicks in behind him and to put a few high balls up.
• We see the lineout as an area we can cause some real problems. Bekker, one of the best lineout operators in the world, will look to mark Wentzel out in the line and get his hands on some ball while Sykes will look to jump at the front as we cant see many over top jumping options for Wasps to really put the pressure on young Joe Gray.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Thu 15 Sep 2011, 8:48 pm
Tactics
General play - It's all about a high tempo and controlling the ball. Our team has self belief and attitude running through it's core. We'll be looking to intimidate up front and attack with pace and guile in the backs with Evans being key. If 3 point is on we'll look to take it and until we have a clear lead. We’re coming off two wins and will look to hit Leicester from the off at 100mph, we won’t let up and we’ll be looking to smash the Leicester pack and really make a statement. Evans will pull the strings at 10 and keep us playing in the right areas of the pitch, contolling the tempo and looking for gaps in the Leicester backline.
Forwards
Set Piece
We'll be looking to use the set piece as a platform to set up attacks during the summer especially. Our tactics during each game may change if we spot a weakness in the oppposition set piece during the 80mins. This is the role of the team captain.
Scrum - We'll be looking to set a platform and use the scrum to get get fast ball to out 9/10 axis. PDJ and Stankovich are excellent technical scrummagers who will give us a sound foundation and look to get at their opposite numbers from the off. If a weakness is seen we’ll look to keep the push on and drive the opposition back, taking scrum options at pens if totally on top. If not we’ll be using the scrum as restart and getting the ball in and out so we can attack the opposition 9/10 axis.
We’ll be really targeting the Leicester props in this one as we feel we have a much stronger scummaging outfit. With our props being shorter we’ll try and get underneath the Leicester scrum and drive it up. Stankovich will look to dominate Rachenbach and tire him out early on with Shiells (Falcons starting LH) coming on to put further pressure on.
Lineout - Lindsay has had a few up and down games in the past with his throwing but he's never had a target in a poor Wasps set piece. We've brought in some world class operators to secure our own ball and target opposition throw. Vermeulen and Smith give us massive options in the back row. If a weakness is seen in the opposition throw we'll look to hit some corners and test their lineout out. We’ll look to vary the options at the through with Kruger calling the shots from the middle of the lineout. Flip will look to give us banker ball at the front when needed, whilst Juan Smith will marshall the rear of the lineout. Vermeulen will look to alternate middle/back depending on call. Brown & Joubert will be targeted from the off as we think these will be Leicesters primary options.
Target Breakdown & Rucks
Fast ball is key during the summer months and we'll look to commit to rucks to secure our own ball whilst targetting the opposition when it's on. With a huge back 5 we'll be look to get round the park and hits rucks hard, forcing the opposition back and giving us the chance of a takeover. Robshaw will look to make a nuisance of himself and slow down opposition ball on the floor. Flip & Smith will marshall the rucks, they will look to target any attempted slowing of our own ball and give Pretorious fast ball to feed Evans.
Huge carrying
We have huge carrying options in the pack and we'll look to use them throughout the game to wear the opposition down and give us a point of attack. We'll look to mix this up with Vermeulen coming off the scrum and Juan Smith, Robshaw, Lindsay, Vermeulen, Kruger giving us numerous options in tight and loose. We’ll look to vary the angles of attack with Evans using the reverse ball now and again with Smith and Vermeulen coming in. The 9/10 axis will hit early on and if successful will be used to draw the Leciester defence in. We’ll look to draw in the Leicester pack as much as possible to exploit possible one on ones in the backline where we have some serious gas.
Backs
Halfbacks
Halfbacks win you games on the hard pitches and in Pretorious/Evans we have two of the best about. With a solid platform Sarel will look to snipe around and find gaps in the opposion defense, especially at 2/3rd phase attacks when defenses start to fray. Pretorious gives us a massive threat and will look to mix his game up throughgout the game. Evans will play his natural game and come into the line flat. He’ll look to mix the play up with varying passes and look to hit behind the back 3 if on. Pretorious will sweep up behind a blitz defense with Barritt leading the line. We think they might be a bit of space especially between the Leicester 10/12 axis, Jauzion is a legend but his defence has slowed up and with Walder looking to cover Young we think they might be gaps to exploit, especially with Pretorious’s pace off the mark causing issues.
Backline balance
We have numerous running options and the option to mix things up in the backline. Barritt gives Evans go to ball if needed and we'll look to get Ben Smith in as second receiver to give us a different focal point. Payne will look to come off the shoulder of attacks (similar to Conrad) and inject pace into the midfield. He'll look to alternate at FB with Smith. Benjamin/Maitland give us pace and power on the flanks and we'll look to bring to bring them into the game whenever possible.
Points to target against opposition
After studying the opposition over a number of weeks we’ll be looking to specifically target these areas:
- Paul Doran-Jones will really look to get at Crockett early on. The AB tends to suffer against the smaller prop and and PDJ is a serious scrummager, he’ll look to get below the tall AB from the off. Similar on the LH side with Stankovich looking to get underneath an aging Faan.
- We’ll be really looking to overpower the Leciester pack on a whole
- Smith & Robshaw will look to target the Leicester 9/10 axis from the off, especially Walder with Smith looking to put some early big hits in
- Maitland will look to pressure Biggs. We feel this is a one sided affair and we’ll look to get the Kiwi on the one on one
- Evans will look to test out Poitrenaud with bomb’s early on and see if he’s up for the game
- Lineout – Bruno suffers from falling apart in the lineout esp away from home so we’ll look to put extreme pressure on the Leicester throw. We feel we have more quality jumpers in our pack so this could be an area we dominate
- Pace & tempo – especially in the backline. We’ll be really turning it up in this one, Leicester have a class backline but if anything they’re getting on. We’ll look to exploit their lack of pace by bringing our back 3 into the game at every chance and Pretorious running the show from 9.
- French backs – Not good travellers. We picked this up in the game against Wasps, that if the French backs in the Leicester lineup where targeted early on they just seemed to lose interest in the game. We’ll be paying a lot of interest to Jauzon, Fritz and Pointrenaud(esp) in the first 20mins with Smith and Flip looking for some big hits
- The Leicester team on a whole is pretty old so we’ll look to exploit this by moving their pack around the pitch. If we keep the tempo up this should open the game up for our pace men later in the game
MAJOR POINT
We won every game at home last season and come into this one off the back off two wins. Momentum is key and Leicester got beat last their last outing and now find themselves facing the champions away. Kingston Park is not a place to try and play your back into form.
General play - It's all about a high tempo and controlling the ball. Our team has self belief and attitude running through it's core. We'll be looking to intimidate up front and attack with pace and guile in the backs with Evans being key. If 3 point is on we'll look to take it and until we have a clear lead. We’re coming off two wins and will look to hit Leicester from the off at 100mph, we won’t let up and we’ll be looking to smash the Leicester pack and really make a statement. Evans will pull the strings at 10 and keep us playing in the right areas of the pitch, contolling the tempo and looking for gaps in the Leicester backline.
Forwards
Set Piece
We'll be looking to use the set piece as a platform to set up attacks during the summer especially. Our tactics during each game may change if we spot a weakness in the oppposition set piece during the 80mins. This is the role of the team captain.
Scrum - We'll be looking to set a platform and use the scrum to get get fast ball to out 9/10 axis. PDJ and Stankovich are excellent technical scrummagers who will give us a sound foundation and look to get at their opposite numbers from the off. If a weakness is seen we’ll look to keep the push on and drive the opposition back, taking scrum options at pens if totally on top. If not we’ll be using the scrum as restart and getting the ball in and out so we can attack the opposition 9/10 axis.
We’ll be really targeting the Leicester props in this one as we feel we have a much stronger scummaging outfit. With our props being shorter we’ll try and get underneath the Leicester scrum and drive it up. Stankovich will look to dominate Rachenbach and tire him out early on with Shiells (Falcons starting LH) coming on to put further pressure on.
Lineout - Lindsay has had a few up and down games in the past with his throwing but he's never had a target in a poor Wasps set piece. We've brought in some world class operators to secure our own ball and target opposition throw. Vermeulen and Smith give us massive options in the back row. If a weakness is seen in the opposition throw we'll look to hit some corners and test their lineout out. We’ll look to vary the options at the through with Kruger calling the shots from the middle of the lineout. Flip will look to give us banker ball at the front when needed, whilst Juan Smith will marshall the rear of the lineout. Vermeulen will look to alternate middle/back depending on call. Brown & Joubert will be targeted from the off as we think these will be Leicesters primary options.
Target Breakdown & Rucks
Fast ball is key during the summer months and we'll look to commit to rucks to secure our own ball whilst targetting the opposition when it's on. With a huge back 5 we'll be look to get round the park and hits rucks hard, forcing the opposition back and giving us the chance of a takeover. Robshaw will look to make a nuisance of himself and slow down opposition ball on the floor. Flip & Smith will marshall the rucks, they will look to target any attempted slowing of our own ball and give Pretorious fast ball to feed Evans.
Huge carrying
We have huge carrying options in the pack and we'll look to use them throughout the game to wear the opposition down and give us a point of attack. We'll look to mix this up with Vermeulen coming off the scrum and Juan Smith, Robshaw, Lindsay, Vermeulen, Kruger giving us numerous options in tight and loose. We’ll look to vary the angles of attack with Evans using the reverse ball now and again with Smith and Vermeulen coming in. The 9/10 axis will hit early on and if successful will be used to draw the Leciester defence in. We’ll look to draw in the Leicester pack as much as possible to exploit possible one on ones in the backline where we have some serious gas.
Backs
Halfbacks
Halfbacks win you games on the hard pitches and in Pretorious/Evans we have two of the best about. With a solid platform Sarel will look to snipe around and find gaps in the opposion defense, especially at 2/3rd phase attacks when defenses start to fray. Pretorious gives us a massive threat and will look to mix his game up throughgout the game. Evans will play his natural game and come into the line flat. He’ll look to mix the play up with varying passes and look to hit behind the back 3 if on. Pretorious will sweep up behind a blitz defense with Barritt leading the line. We think they might be a bit of space especially between the Leicester 10/12 axis, Jauzion is a legend but his defence has slowed up and with Walder looking to cover Young we think they might be gaps to exploit, especially with Pretorious’s pace off the mark causing issues.
Backline balance
We have numerous running options and the option to mix things up in the backline. Barritt gives Evans go to ball if needed and we'll look to get Ben Smith in as second receiver to give us a different focal point. Payne will look to come off the shoulder of attacks (similar to Conrad) and inject pace into the midfield. He'll look to alternate at FB with Smith. Benjamin/Maitland give us pace and power on the flanks and we'll look to bring to bring them into the game whenever possible.
Points to target against opposition
After studying the opposition over a number of weeks we’ll be looking to specifically target these areas:
- Paul Doran-Jones will really look to get at Crockett early on. The AB tends to suffer against the smaller prop and and PDJ is a serious scrummager, he’ll look to get below the tall AB from the off. Similar on the LH side with Stankovich looking to get underneath an aging Faan.
- We’ll be really looking to overpower the Leciester pack on a whole
- Smith & Robshaw will look to target the Leicester 9/10 axis from the off, especially Walder with Smith looking to put some early big hits in
- Maitland will look to pressure Biggs. We feel this is a one sided affair and we’ll look to get the Kiwi on the one on one
- Evans will look to test out Poitrenaud with bomb’s early on and see if he’s up for the game
- Lineout – Bruno suffers from falling apart in the lineout esp away from home so we’ll look to put extreme pressure on the Leicester throw. We feel we have more quality jumpers in our pack so this could be an area we dominate
- Pace & tempo – especially in the backline. We’ll be really turning it up in this one, Leicester have a class backline but if anything they’re getting on. We’ll look to exploit their lack of pace by bringing our back 3 into the game at every chance and Pretorious running the show from 9.
- French backs – Not good travellers. We picked this up in the game against Wasps, that if the French backs in the Leicester lineup where targeted early on they just seemed to lose interest in the game. We’ll be paying a lot of interest to Jauzon, Fritz and Pointrenaud(esp) in the first 20mins with Smith and Flip looking for some big hits
- The Leicester team on a whole is pretty old so we’ll look to exploit this by moving their pack around the pitch. If we keep the tempo up this should open the game up for our pace men later in the game
MAJOR POINT
We won every game at home last season and come into this one off the back off two wins. Momentum is key and Leicester got beat last their last outing and now find themselves facing the champions away. Kingston Park is not a place to try and play your back into form.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:10 pm
With Evans pulling the stings......and at fortress Kingston. Not me 
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Re: AP Round 3
by LukeLovesLuka Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:15 pm
Lol. Only fantasy could you get away with that...
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:24 pm
Well you'll have done better than anybody else has for over a year! You reckon Walder is up to the job?
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Re: AP Round 3
by 'Arry Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:32 pm
London Wasps tactics
Our game plan is based around using the power we have in our team. We will look to use the set piece as a platform for attacks. Our front row is a very good scrummaging unit and we will hopefully be able to build attacks from there and earn some penalties for Gopperth to make use of. Our pack will be physical and relentless up front, we will play with controlled aggression.
Early on we will look to our forwards to get us onto the front foot by attacking in groups
with some grunt and powerful carrying. We will start as we mean to go on with a high intensity, hitting the collision area hard and driving our players over the gain line.
Our forwards will recycle the ball efficiently early on. We have three excellent kicking options in Gopperth, McAlister and Mortlock, we will look to kick in behind the Sale wingers and keep them pinned back where we will look to pressurise them into making mistakes in their own half.
We will look to hit the rucks hard and compete when we can, Stegmann is our out and out fetcher and with his low centre of gravity he will be our main competitor at the breakdown area. At rucks on our own ball we will look to secure the ball and come from low to high to present Claassens with clean, quick ball.
We will look to compete at the breakdown if we have the numbers there, however if the ball is clearly there’s we will not commit numbers to the ruck, instead we will look to organize our defence ready to deal with the next Sale carrier.
In the forwards we will look to drive our carriers over the gain line and really look to win the collisions. We have plenty of dynamic carriers including the explosive Tom Johnson. Gopperth will look to bring in our strike runners in McAlister and Mortlock.
We will be targeting the outside shoulder of the Sale players and will look to attack the fly half channel in the Sale defence. We will support our runners and look to keep them on their feet driving them over the gain line, building up momentum and speed in our attacks.
With the ball in hand we will also look to attack gaps and half gaps in the Sale defence, and hopefully open them up. As the game goes on and we are hopefully on the front foot if possible we will look to get our offloading game going to alternate the point of attack and keep Sale working off the ball in defence and pierce the gaps we have created.
At lineouts we will look to exert as much pressure as possible on Sale’s throws with Wentzel looking to steal some opposition throws. On our own throw we will mainly use Wentzel but will mix it up by using Chisholm, Johnson and Stegmann. From there we will look to slowly sap the energy out of Sale by using the rolling maul. We will look to suck in as many Sale defenders to open up spaces elsewhere for us to attack.
Our back row will look to rush Cruden into rash decisions by getting really up close and personal. Hopefully we can prevent Sale from setting out a solid base by disrupting the quality of ball they get and from there we will be able to pressurise Cruden. Gopperth will kick all kickable penalties in the first half to keep the score board ticking over.
We will look to attack in numbers, we have plenty of powerful and dynamic carriers in our pack who will get us over the gain line and set us out a solid platform to build from. We have plenty of grit in our team and feel that if we can push Sale onto the back foot we will be able to unsettle them.
Our game plan is based around using the power we have in our team. We will look to use the set piece as a platform for attacks. Our front row is a very good scrummaging unit and we will hopefully be able to build attacks from there and earn some penalties for Gopperth to make use of. Our pack will be physical and relentless up front, we will play with controlled aggression.
Early on we will look to our forwards to get us onto the front foot by attacking in groups
with some grunt and powerful carrying. We will start as we mean to go on with a high intensity, hitting the collision area hard and driving our players over the gain line.
Our forwards will recycle the ball efficiently early on. We have three excellent kicking options in Gopperth, McAlister and Mortlock, we will look to kick in behind the Sale wingers and keep them pinned back where we will look to pressurise them into making mistakes in their own half.
We will look to hit the rucks hard and compete when we can, Stegmann is our out and out fetcher and with his low centre of gravity he will be our main competitor at the breakdown area. At rucks on our own ball we will look to secure the ball and come from low to high to present Claassens with clean, quick ball.
We will look to compete at the breakdown if we have the numbers there, however if the ball is clearly there’s we will not commit numbers to the ruck, instead we will look to organize our defence ready to deal with the next Sale carrier.
In the forwards we will look to drive our carriers over the gain line and really look to win the collisions. We have plenty of dynamic carriers including the explosive Tom Johnson. Gopperth will look to bring in our strike runners in McAlister and Mortlock.
We will be targeting the outside shoulder of the Sale players and will look to attack the fly half channel in the Sale defence. We will support our runners and look to keep them on their feet driving them over the gain line, building up momentum and speed in our attacks.
With the ball in hand we will also look to attack gaps and half gaps in the Sale defence, and hopefully open them up. As the game goes on and we are hopefully on the front foot if possible we will look to get our offloading game going to alternate the point of attack and keep Sale working off the ball in defence and pierce the gaps we have created.
At lineouts we will look to exert as much pressure as possible on Sale’s throws with Wentzel looking to steal some opposition throws. On our own throw we will mainly use Wentzel but will mix it up by using Chisholm, Johnson and Stegmann. From there we will look to slowly sap the energy out of Sale by using the rolling maul. We will look to suck in as many Sale defenders to open up spaces elsewhere for us to attack.
Our back row will look to rush Cruden into rash decisions by getting really up close and personal. Hopefully we can prevent Sale from setting out a solid base by disrupting the quality of ball they get and from there we will be able to pressurise Cruden. Gopperth will kick all kickable penalties in the first half to keep the score board ticking over.
We will look to attack in numbers, we have plenty of powerful and dynamic carriers in our pack who will get us over the gain line and set us out a solid platform to build from. We have plenty of grit in our team and feel that if we can push Sale onto the back foot we will be able to unsettle them.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:32 pm
When's Walder start playing in Japan then? Not sure when the season starts there
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Re: AP Round 3
by LukeLovesLuka Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:34 pm
Great kicker great organiser. Perfect for us.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:37 pm
Lol.....good answer. Our kid installed an aerial for him when he was at Falcons
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Re: AP Round 3
by Ozzy3213 Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:38 pm
Am presuming that predos are open now as all teams and tactics are in?
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Re: AP Round 3
by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 16 Sep 2011, 10:08 am
Bath Rugby 12 12 Exeter Chiefs
I can see a slight edge to Exeter at scrum time in this one. Nothing in at the lineout though with some decent jumping options and no stand out player for either side that could get on top in the air. Not mucg difference in mobility in the front 5 either. In the backrow battle Bath are stronger on the flanks but Exeter with the better 8.
At halfback Bath with the better options. Decent form for the Chiefs though. Exeter will get some joy sending the big runners down Hodgsons channel though with no protection there for him. In the backlines back 3 goes to Bath with some dangerous runners. They may be a bit susceptible to the highball in these conditions but can’t see that targeted in tactics. Midfield looks even to me overall. Bath with strong runners although Oliver is lacking form while Chiefs have that creative spark in King at 13. Exeter looking stronger on the bench for me here. Could see them gettig a lot of joy from the scrum in the last quarter
Good game here. Exeter with an advantage at scrum time which will get bigger as the game goes on while Bath will get some decent ball while edging the backrow battle. Exeter will get joy from attacking Hodgsons channel and Bath have home advantage. Tough one to call and sorry to say but I’m giving it a draw.
Harlequins 19 12 Gloucester Rugby
Scrum battle slightly edging to Glaws due to Wood recently having it over Mujati in real life but nott enough to really cause problems. Quins can get at the Glaws lineout though as the game goes on. Fourie not the most accurate thrower and hasn’t got that get out ball like he has in real life. Mobility wise front 5 slightly edging to Quins but not noticeably so with Fourie very good around the park for Glaws. Back row battle goes to Quins for me. Not a lot in it at BS but Robinson has the upper hand at 7 and not overly sure how AJ would fare in the wet and wind against the more intelligent Dowson.
Half backs a 1 a piece here. No noticeable advantage for either side. Midfield battle edges to Quins although Big Les will do well in these conditions for Glaws. Back 3 on form goes to Glaws. On the bench Gear is the major impact player on show but else where not a lot of difference in quality.
I can see Glaws struggling here with Quins putting a lot of emphasis on targeting the lineout in their tactics. Home advantage and cleaner ball in the right areas see Quins pick up the win
Newcastle Falcons 19 18 Leicester Tigers
Game of the week here. Not a lot of give in the scrum battle with two decent units on show. Lineout going to be a good battle as well. Neither side particularly on top. Extra class to the Newcastle 2nd row gives them an edge around the park. Very contrasting backrow battle. Newcastle with a major edge in carrying but Tigers could really make the breakdown messy here.
Halfbacks to Newcastle though with form and class. This is a game made for Pretouriaus at 9 with the breakdown so scrappy he will have to play around the fringes a lot where he is so dangerous. Midfield is a step up for Tigers. Classy combo in decent form for Toulouse so far. Good even battle in the back 3 here. On the bench Waldrom will give great impetus for Tigers but Ojo could do very well against tired legs.
Great game here with two very contrasting approaches. No advantage gained from the set piece. Tigers will really attack the breakdown but Falcons have a 9 who can live of scrappy ball around the fringes as seen in the Super 15 and with a very strong carrying game can see them wearing out Tigers that bit more as the game goes on. Fantastic effort from the Tigers but Newcastle just sneaking this one.
Saracens 20 13 Worcester Warriors
Edge to Sarries in the scrum here and they can cause a few problems. Lineout an advantage to Sarries as well. Around the park is a step up for Sarries as well in the front 5 with Elsadt and Mullan key. The backrow battle is a closer affair though. Bit more carrying wise from Sarries and vice versa at the breakdown.
Half backs is one a piece here. Midfield battle even for me. Worcester with some great experience and well suited to the conditions but Sarries with great form. Back 3’s edging to Sarries with Goode v Tonks the real difference here. Benches are fairly even overall in terms of quality.
Solid game plans from both sides here but Sarries have a lot more in the front 5 to attack the set piece with overall for me and with home advantage Sarries for the win here.
Northampton Saints 11 12 London Irish
Advantage scrum time to Saints. Nel not great at all in the scrum based on the Super 15 and will struggle against Domingo. Not much in at the lineout though here. Around the park Nel is the main difference and will make up for his lack of scrummaging. Back row is pretty tight but think the Irish combo could get at the breakdown a bit more.
Half backs overall to Irish for me. Giteau a class act at 10 but lacking form while Dupuy at 9 is miles ahead of Commins currently. Fourie and Rush are more then capable of getting at him. In the backs good battle in midfield while the back 3 goes to Irish for me. Not overly sure on Saints defensivly with Geraghty, Cips and Wade under question. Irish with a tiny bit more to come from the bench as well.
Saints could see a bit more ball with their scrum on top but Irish will make it very scrappy at the breakdown and can get at the Saints scrumhalf. Saints at home but aren’t unbeatable at Franklins in this game and with some defensive issues in the backs. Big call but Irish to sneak the closest of away wins
I can see a slight edge to Exeter at scrum time in this one. Nothing in at the lineout though with some decent jumping options and no stand out player for either side that could get on top in the air. Not mucg difference in mobility in the front 5 either. In the backrow battle Bath are stronger on the flanks but Exeter with the better 8.
At halfback Bath with the better options. Decent form for the Chiefs though. Exeter will get some joy sending the big runners down Hodgsons channel though with no protection there for him. In the backlines back 3 goes to Bath with some dangerous runners. They may be a bit susceptible to the highball in these conditions but can’t see that targeted in tactics. Midfield looks even to me overall. Bath with strong runners although Oliver is lacking form while Chiefs have that creative spark in King at 13. Exeter looking stronger on the bench for me here. Could see them gettig a lot of joy from the scrum in the last quarter
Good game here. Exeter with an advantage at scrum time which will get bigger as the game goes on while Bath will get some decent ball while edging the backrow battle. Exeter will get joy from attacking Hodgsons channel and Bath have home advantage. Tough one to call and sorry to say but I’m giving it a draw.
Harlequins 19 12 Gloucester Rugby
Scrum battle slightly edging to Glaws due to Wood recently having it over Mujati in real life but nott enough to really cause problems. Quins can get at the Glaws lineout though as the game goes on. Fourie not the most accurate thrower and hasn’t got that get out ball like he has in real life. Mobility wise front 5 slightly edging to Quins but not noticeably so with Fourie very good around the park for Glaws. Back row battle goes to Quins for me. Not a lot in it at BS but Robinson has the upper hand at 7 and not overly sure how AJ would fare in the wet and wind against the more intelligent Dowson.
Half backs a 1 a piece here. No noticeable advantage for either side. Midfield battle edges to Quins although Big Les will do well in these conditions for Glaws. Back 3 on form goes to Glaws. On the bench Gear is the major impact player on show but else where not a lot of difference in quality.
I can see Glaws struggling here with Quins putting a lot of emphasis on targeting the lineout in their tactics. Home advantage and cleaner ball in the right areas see Quins pick up the win
Newcastle Falcons 19 18 Leicester Tigers
Game of the week here. Not a lot of give in the scrum battle with two decent units on show. Lineout going to be a good battle as well. Neither side particularly on top. Extra class to the Newcastle 2nd row gives them an edge around the park. Very contrasting backrow battle. Newcastle with a major edge in carrying but Tigers could really make the breakdown messy here.
Halfbacks to Newcastle though with form and class. This is a game made for Pretouriaus at 9 with the breakdown so scrappy he will have to play around the fringes a lot where he is so dangerous. Midfield is a step up for Tigers. Classy combo in decent form for Toulouse so far. Good even battle in the back 3 here. On the bench Waldrom will give great impetus for Tigers but Ojo could do very well against tired legs.
Great game here with two very contrasting approaches. No advantage gained from the set piece. Tigers will really attack the breakdown but Falcons have a 9 who can live of scrappy ball around the fringes as seen in the Super 15 and with a very strong carrying game can see them wearing out Tigers that bit more as the game goes on. Fantastic effort from the Tigers but Newcastle just sneaking this one.
Saracens 20 13 Worcester Warriors
Edge to Sarries in the scrum here and they can cause a few problems. Lineout an advantage to Sarries as well. Around the park is a step up for Sarries as well in the front 5 with Elsadt and Mullan key. The backrow battle is a closer affair though. Bit more carrying wise from Sarries and vice versa at the breakdown.
Half backs is one a piece here. Midfield battle even for me. Worcester with some great experience and well suited to the conditions but Sarries with great form. Back 3’s edging to Sarries with Goode v Tonks the real difference here. Benches are fairly even overall in terms of quality.
Solid game plans from both sides here but Sarries have a lot more in the front 5 to attack the set piece with overall for me and with home advantage Sarries for the win here.
Northampton Saints 11 12 London Irish
Advantage scrum time to Saints. Nel not great at all in the scrum based on the Super 15 and will struggle against Domingo. Not much in at the lineout though here. Around the park Nel is the main difference and will make up for his lack of scrummaging. Back row is pretty tight but think the Irish combo could get at the breakdown a bit more.
Half backs overall to Irish for me. Giteau a class act at 10 but lacking form while Dupuy at 9 is miles ahead of Commins currently. Fourie and Rush are more then capable of getting at him. In the backs good battle in midfield while the back 3 goes to Irish for me. Not overly sure on Saints defensivly with Geraghty, Cips and Wade under question. Irish with a tiny bit more to come from the bench as well.
Saints could see a bit more ball with their scrum on top but Irish will make it very scrappy at the breakdown and can get at the Saints scrumhalf. Saints at home but aren’t unbeatable at Franklins in this game and with some defensive issues in the backs. Big call but Irish to sneak the closest of away wins
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Re: AP Round 3
by Steven_Sharks Fri 16 Sep 2011, 11:06 am
Bath 18 - 19 Exeter
Prefer the Exeter pack but not by that much. Think Exeter will do well at the lineout and the scrum. half backs go to Bath as they are very strong. Reckon that the centres and back 3's are pretty much even but the Exeter bench is very very strong. This and the forward advantage gives Exeter a great away win.
Newcastle 18 - 18 Leicester
Think Leicester will have the scrum advantage with Crockett being the form loosehead of the S15 and alongside Bruno and Faautenback I think they will get some joy here. The lineouts will be pretty even but Newcastle have the better back row but not by a great deal. Half backs go to Newcastle but walder will manage Leicester's game well. Both scrum half's will test the oppositions fringe defence. Big advantage in the centres to Leicester and think they will get some joy in this area. Back 3's are tight but I prefer the balance the Leicester back 3. Leicester have a slight advantage coming of the bench but both are lacking impact players away from Caucau, Ojo and Jack.
Very tight game and have to call it a draw.
Saracens 23 - 20 Worcester
Saracens have the advantage at the scrum and see both sides winning their own lineout ball. Leeds have some nasty hard forwards who will do a good job disrupting saracens play but Saracens have the extra quality. Think the backrows are very level with perhaps the slight advantage to worcester. Prefer the Worcester half backs with Peel being the main man in this battle. Centres are pretty even, can't see anything getting through Tuilagi and Clarke. Saracens have the stronger back 3.
Sarries win but it's anything but easy.
Northampton Saints 23 - 24 London Irish
Scrum goes to Northampton who have to very strong props. Lineouts will be even but I prefer the Irish pack. The Irish back row is the strongest in the league during this world cup period. half backs go to Irish but Giteau is the outstanding individual on show. In the centres I see the irish 12 (not attempting to spell his name) being the game breaker. He was been unreal for Exeter in real life and can see him walking over Geraghty. Have both back 3's as pretty even.
London Wasps 19 - 17 Sale Sharks
see the scrum going to Wasps with a two very strong props but Sale aren't weak here just not as good as Wasps. Lineouts are pretty even. Back rows just go to Wasps with a very strong unit although Todd the form indivudual should get some joy in the loose. Sale's half backs are more exciting but wasps will control the game very well and will have sale under constant pressure. Centres are about even with a slight advantage to Wasps as a pair but Sale have Freaun who could be a game breaker. Sale have the stronger back 3 and the benches are pretty even.
Very tight game, but Wasps edge it.
Prefer the Exeter pack but not by that much. Think Exeter will do well at the lineout and the scrum. half backs go to Bath as they are very strong. Reckon that the centres and back 3's are pretty much even but the Exeter bench is very very strong. This and the forward advantage gives Exeter a great away win.
Newcastle 18 - 18 Leicester
Think Leicester will have the scrum advantage with Crockett being the form loosehead of the S15 and alongside Bruno and Faautenback I think they will get some joy here. The lineouts will be pretty even but Newcastle have the better back row but not by a great deal. Half backs go to Newcastle but walder will manage Leicester's game well. Both scrum half's will test the oppositions fringe defence. Big advantage in the centres to Leicester and think they will get some joy in this area. Back 3's are tight but I prefer the balance the Leicester back 3. Leicester have a slight advantage coming of the bench but both are lacking impact players away from Caucau, Ojo and Jack.
Very tight game and have to call it a draw.
Saracens 23 - 20 Worcester
Saracens have the advantage at the scrum and see both sides winning their own lineout ball. Leeds have some nasty hard forwards who will do a good job disrupting saracens play but Saracens have the extra quality. Think the backrows are very level with perhaps the slight advantage to worcester. Prefer the Worcester half backs with Peel being the main man in this battle. Centres are pretty even, can't see anything getting through Tuilagi and Clarke. Saracens have the stronger back 3.
Sarries win but it's anything but easy.
Northampton Saints 23 - 24 London Irish
Scrum goes to Northampton who have to very strong props. Lineouts will be even but I prefer the Irish pack. The Irish back row is the strongest in the league during this world cup period. half backs go to Irish but Giteau is the outstanding individual on show. In the centres I see the irish 12 (not attempting to spell his name) being the game breaker. He was been unreal for Exeter in real life and can see him walking over Geraghty. Have both back 3's as pretty even.
London Wasps 19 - 17 Sale Sharks
see the scrum going to Wasps with a two very strong props but Sale aren't weak here just not as good as Wasps. Lineouts are pretty even. Back rows just go to Wasps with a very strong unit although Todd the form indivudual should get some joy in the loose. Sale's half backs are more exciting but wasps will control the game very well and will have sale under constant pressure. Centres are about even with a slight advantage to Wasps as a pair but Sale have Freaun who could be a game breaker. Sale have the stronger back 3 and the benches are pretty even.
Very tight game, but Wasps edge it.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Ozzy3213 Fri 16 Sep 2011, 12:13 pm
Bath Rugby 19 Exeter Chiefs 15
I see this being a tight, nervy affair with both sides looking for their first win, and players scrapping for everything in slightly damp conditions. I think the Chiefs pack is slightly more equipped for a scrappy battle, although I don't see great dominance for either side at the scrum, lineout or breakdown, although the Bath backrow could have some imapct in the loose. Fastlane has his tactics spot on for me, as if he'd said Olivier was going to be cutting lines and offloading I would have said not a chance, but he has gone with his two experienced halfbacks basically playing a kicking game and getting his pacy back three chasing. Chiefs are right to play a forward based game, but to make that work you have to really dominate there and I just don't see it happening. Ultimately home advantage and the right players to execute their gameplan gives Bath the win for me.
Harlequins 20 Gloucester 20
Both teams off the back of a win, last week, but Quins have a little more momentum having won 2 from 2, and they have home advantage. Tactically Quins are really targetting the collisions as a means to generate or stop momentum, and also create quick ball and turnovers. Whilst it is a good and valid tactic, looking through the teams, I am not convinced that they have the players to dominate Gloucester in that area of the game. Both sides have quality players throughout, and I give the half backs 1 a piece, with Steenson now fallen down the pecking order at Exeter in real life. In the backs, Gloucester have a pretty proven unit, who play together in real life (you all know I am a fan of that in this game) and pose a real threat ball in hand from anywhere on the pitch. This is a really tough one to call. Overall I like the look of Gloucester more, but Quins are at home and have more momentum coming in which evens things out, so for me it's a draw.
Newcastle Falcons 17 Leicester Tigers 17
Read through these tactics last night, and again this morning as another really tough game to call. Falcons have the home advantage, and slightly more momentum, in the same way Quins did over Gloucester. I know Pooly has said that his shorter props will target the taller Tigers pair, but having checked stats, all four starting props stand at over 6 foot, so there's not much difference really, unlike if someone like Domingo was in there, he could get right underneath and cause problems. I'm not seeing much advantage either way in the scrum or lineout in this one. I've looked a the breakdown tactics closely in relation to how they fit the selected back rows, and they both work, although I like Tigers going in with two 7's to really try to win this battle, and I give them a slight edge in this area, so maybe a little bit better ball to play with. I see the Falcons backs as beeing a huge attacking threat, with quality at half back and some great strike runners outside, whereas Tigers are workmanlike at halfback, and have a wealth of experience outside, mixed with some unpredictable talent in Nacewa and Poitrenaud. Tactically luke is spot on going through the phases and not kicking to Newcastle, as they have more pace in the backs than Leicester and could cut the ageing Jauzion and Fritz to shreds throught he midfield if given the ball. The question is how much ball will the Falcons backs get and what quality will it be. I have Tigers winning more ball at the breakdown, so controlling things a little better than Falcons, which means the Falcons back three may not be in the game as much as they like. I said before the season started that I would be putting a lot of emphasis on tactics, particularly with evenly matched teams, and for that reason I have Tigers slightly ahead, but given the home advantage of Newcastle I am going to fence sit again and go for a draw. Sorry.
Will get the other two games done later.
I see this being a tight, nervy affair with both sides looking for their first win, and players scrapping for everything in slightly damp conditions. I think the Chiefs pack is slightly more equipped for a scrappy battle, although I don't see great dominance for either side at the scrum, lineout or breakdown, although the Bath backrow could have some imapct in the loose. Fastlane has his tactics spot on for me, as if he'd said Olivier was going to be cutting lines and offloading I would have said not a chance, but he has gone with his two experienced halfbacks basically playing a kicking game and getting his pacy back three chasing. Chiefs are right to play a forward based game, but to make that work you have to really dominate there and I just don't see it happening. Ultimately home advantage and the right players to execute their gameplan gives Bath the win for me.
Harlequins 20 Gloucester 20
Both teams off the back of a win, last week, but Quins have a little more momentum having won 2 from 2, and they have home advantage. Tactically Quins are really targetting the collisions as a means to generate or stop momentum, and also create quick ball and turnovers. Whilst it is a good and valid tactic, looking through the teams, I am not convinced that they have the players to dominate Gloucester in that area of the game. Both sides have quality players throughout, and I give the half backs 1 a piece, with Steenson now fallen down the pecking order at Exeter in real life. In the backs, Gloucester have a pretty proven unit, who play together in real life (you all know I am a fan of that in this game) and pose a real threat ball in hand from anywhere on the pitch. This is a really tough one to call. Overall I like the look of Gloucester more, but Quins are at home and have more momentum coming in which evens things out, so for me it's a draw.
Newcastle Falcons 17 Leicester Tigers 17
Read through these tactics last night, and again this morning as another really tough game to call. Falcons have the home advantage, and slightly more momentum, in the same way Quins did over Gloucester. I know Pooly has said that his shorter props will target the taller Tigers pair, but having checked stats, all four starting props stand at over 6 foot, so there's not much difference really, unlike if someone like Domingo was in there, he could get right underneath and cause problems. I'm not seeing much advantage either way in the scrum or lineout in this one. I've looked a the breakdown tactics closely in relation to how they fit the selected back rows, and they both work, although I like Tigers going in with two 7's to really try to win this battle, and I give them a slight edge in this area, so maybe a little bit better ball to play with. I see the Falcons backs as beeing a huge attacking threat, with quality at half back and some great strike runners outside, whereas Tigers are workmanlike at halfback, and have a wealth of experience outside, mixed with some unpredictable talent in Nacewa and Poitrenaud. Tactically luke is spot on going through the phases and not kicking to Newcastle, as they have more pace in the backs than Leicester and could cut the ageing Jauzion and Fritz to shreds throught he midfield if given the ball. The question is how much ball will the Falcons backs get and what quality will it be. I have Tigers winning more ball at the breakdown, so controlling things a little better than Falcons, which means the Falcons back three may not be in the game as much as they like. I said before the season started that I would be putting a lot of emphasis on tactics, particularly with evenly matched teams, and for that reason I have Tigers slightly ahead, but given the home advantage of Newcastle I am going to fence sit again and go for a draw. Sorry.
Will get the other two games done later.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Fri 16 Sep 2011, 2:37 pm
pete how much stock do you put on momentum?? for me early in the season i see it as not meaning much. It takes time for a pecking order to develop. ie some teams have an easy start to the season and others a tougher one. also when wc players come back i cannot see how momentum matters one jot when for example 9 different players come in.
Interested in your views. another example was northampton last year in the AP. they had real momentum but then when they put their reserves out lost everytime.
For me momentum is counted when a team is say 5 or 6 wins on the trot but find 2 games in a struggle to say one team has momentum over the other
Interested in your views. another example was northampton last year in the AP. they had real momentum but then when they put their reserves out lost everytime.
For me momentum is counted when a team is say 5 or 6 wins on the trot but find 2 games in a struggle to say one team has momentum over the other
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Fri 16 Sep 2011, 2:59 pm
Bath 20 18 Exeter Really think bath front row will struggle throughout WC. however exeter do not have the greatest front row either. think this will be a real tussle with pack pretty much even. Exeter have a real grafting 2nd row that will do some real work. like both back rows also.
bath have some usful backs and can see them scoring tries but prefer exeters bench. basically home advantage wins it for me
bath have some usful backs and can see them scoring tries but prefer exeters bench. basically home advantage wins it for me
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Re: AP Round 3
by prop_lyd Fri 16 Sep 2011, 3:00 pm
Mat: if you win can I have either 3 points or habana as payment?! 
else I'm going to the tabloids!!
else I'm going to the tabloids!!
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Re: AP Round 3
by stnick88 Fri 16 Sep 2011, 4:47 pm
Bath v Exeter
- Don't see any big success in scrum for either, whilst the backrows are evenly matched too. Think Baths halfbacks provide more control and spark, and a slightly more dangerous backline gives them a narrow home win.
24-21
Harlequins v Gloucester
- Again a close scrum battle, but think Quins edge the lineout. Neither backrow stands out from the other and both will get decent ball. Donald standout halfback but Quins are steady and will control well. Both backlines are dangerous and have plenty of pace and good runners. See why Quins will target Vainikolo and May but they have looked good to me in real life and will do OK against Flutey and Lowe.
26-26
Newcastle v Leicester
- See a slight edge for Falcons upfront with Stanks getting the better of Faan and think the home backrow edges Tigers, though Smiths rating is decreasing. Like Falcons halfbakcs and they will dictate play well. Evans for me a lot better than Walder and this is a big factor. Tigers backs are solid and have plenty of attacking flair and think Falcons can do a job with pace outwide to finish chances. Home win but not by much.
22-20
Saracens v Worcester
- See the Sarries forwards having the narrowest of edges upfront but think Williams will do well at the breakdown against Scaysbrook. Prefer to see Robinson at 10, liked his combo with Peel. Tuilagi/Clarke a bit one dimensional for me, bit more creativity for Sarries but a young combo that will be tested by powerful runners. Can't see Sarries scoring tries but a lot of good kickers to be in the right areas and kick their way to a close win.
18-15
Wasps v Sale
- Great battle upfront, like Wasps 'workmen like' forwards, alot of experience and grit, with solid set piece. Sale halfbacks provide more flair and creativity whereas Wasps are solid players who will provide good service and game management. Big fan of Wasps centre combo, has a bit of everything, with enough pace out wide to cause problems. Masaga and Strettle also dangerous runners but think Wasps will get a bit better ball and at home to win.
25-23
- Don't see any big success in scrum for either, whilst the backrows are evenly matched too. Think Baths halfbacks provide more control and spark, and a slightly more dangerous backline gives them a narrow home win.
24-21
Harlequins v Gloucester
- Again a close scrum battle, but think Quins edge the lineout. Neither backrow stands out from the other and both will get decent ball. Donald standout halfback but Quins are steady and will control well. Both backlines are dangerous and have plenty of pace and good runners. See why Quins will target Vainikolo and May but they have looked good to me in real life and will do OK against Flutey and Lowe.
26-26
Newcastle v Leicester
- See a slight edge for Falcons upfront with Stanks getting the better of Faan and think the home backrow edges Tigers, though Smiths rating is decreasing. Like Falcons halfbakcs and they will dictate play well. Evans for me a lot better than Walder and this is a big factor. Tigers backs are solid and have plenty of attacking flair and think Falcons can do a job with pace outwide to finish chances. Home win but not by much.
22-20
Saracens v Worcester
- See the Sarries forwards having the narrowest of edges upfront but think Williams will do well at the breakdown against Scaysbrook. Prefer to see Robinson at 10, liked his combo with Peel. Tuilagi/Clarke a bit one dimensional for me, bit more creativity for Sarries but a young combo that will be tested by powerful runners. Can't see Sarries scoring tries but a lot of good kickers to be in the right areas and kick their way to a close win.
18-15
Wasps v Sale
- Great battle upfront, like Wasps 'workmen like' forwards, alot of experience and grit, with solid set piece. Sale halfbacks provide more flair and creativity whereas Wasps are solid players who will provide good service and game management. Big fan of Wasps centre combo, has a bit of everything, with enough pace out wide to cause problems. Masaga and Strettle also dangerous runners but think Wasps will get a bit better ball and at home to win.
25-23
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Re: AP Round 3
by LukeLovesLuka Fri 16 Sep 2011, 6:22 pm
Bath 23 - 19 Exeter
Not a lot of give up front with neither side getting the upper hand. Two nice sets of back fives, with maybe Bath just edging it. More for Bath in the HB's, but prefer Exeter's centres with Oliver off form and Allen out of position. Bath edge the back threes. Bath just have enough in the pack and HB's to take the win.
Harlequins 24 - 22 Gloucester
Good battle up front, neither side quite enough to gain advantage. Bit more about Quins second row, and have them just taking the back row, but two nice units. Gloucester take the HB's for me with more quality, centres would be a great battle, with Gloucester taking the back three. Both have some great impact off the bench. Tough to call, Quins home advantage means they nick it late on.
Saracens 26 - 23 Worcester
Sarries take the front five for me with them getting one up on Worcester in the front and second row. Back row less clear cut, maybe slight advantage Worcester. Worcester just edge the HB's for me, Sarries' on form centre's sneak that battle. Bit more class in Sarries back three too. Worcester make this difficult for Sarries in the backrow and HB's, but the home side have just enough elsewhere.
Saints 19 - 19 Irish
Saints take the advantage up front, but Irish just edge the second row. Tight back row battle, I like both units, but maybe edge to Irish. Overall just to Irish in the HB's, although not a lot in it. Tight battle in the centres, and same again in the back threes. Struggle to call this one with little difference throughout, Irish maybe slightly stronger but Saints at home.
Not a lot of give up front with neither side getting the upper hand. Two nice sets of back fives, with maybe Bath just edging it. More for Bath in the HB's, but prefer Exeter's centres with Oliver off form and Allen out of position. Bath edge the back threes. Bath just have enough in the pack and HB's to take the win.
Harlequins 24 - 22 Gloucester
Good battle up front, neither side quite enough to gain advantage. Bit more about Quins second row, and have them just taking the back row, but two nice units. Gloucester take the HB's for me with more quality, centres would be a great battle, with Gloucester taking the back three. Both have some great impact off the bench. Tough to call, Quins home advantage means they nick it late on.
Saracens 26 - 23 Worcester
Sarries take the front five for me with them getting one up on Worcester in the front and second row. Back row less clear cut, maybe slight advantage Worcester. Worcester just edge the HB's for me, Sarries' on form centre's sneak that battle. Bit more class in Sarries back three too. Worcester make this difficult for Sarries in the backrow and HB's, but the home side have just enough elsewhere.
Saints 19 - 19 Irish
Saints take the advantage up front, but Irish just edge the second row. Tight back row battle, I like both units, but maybe edge to Irish. Overall just to Irish in the HB's, although not a lot in it. Tight battle in the centres, and same again in the back threes. Struggle to call this one with little difference throughout, Irish maybe slightly stronger but Saints at home.
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Re: AP Round 3
by prop_lyd Fri 16 Sep 2011, 6:32 pm
Bath 18-20 Exeter
Think the grizzled 2nd rows and love the Exe back row here. The controlling half backs keep Bath in this match here.
Quins #-# Glos
Because I named the team and some tactics for Glos then I'll only predict if it's close (hope this is ok?)
Falcons 28-27 Tigers
Had this as a draw before home advantage came in. See Flacons winning with overall pack and the pace to play but prefer the Tigers centre partnership and their tactic of not kicking to a dangerous back line.
Saints 18-22 Irish
Back row and the in-form 12 get his for Irish. Also not kicking to a dangerous back 3 will help. Wade vs Basson will be fun to watch!!
Wasps 32-28 Sale
See Wasps winning the lineout and engine room battle giving the edge up front. The back 3 for Sale will help keep the score respectable but i can see gaps in both teams towards the end.
Think the grizzled 2nd rows and love the Exe back row here. The controlling half backs keep Bath in this match here.
Quins #-# Glos
Because I named the team and some tactics for Glos then I'll only predict if it's close (hope this is ok?)
Falcons 28-27 Tigers
Had this as a draw before home advantage came in. See Flacons winning with overall pack and the pace to play but prefer the Tigers centre partnership and their tactic of not kicking to a dangerous back line.
Saints 18-22 Irish
Back row and the in-form 12 get his for Irish. Also not kicking to a dangerous back 3 will help. Wade vs Basson will be fun to watch!!
Wasps 32-28 Sale
See Wasps winning the lineout and engine room battle giving the edge up front. The back 3 for Sale will help keep the score respectable but i can see gaps in both teams towards the end.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Ozzy3213 Fri 16 Sep 2011, 7:37 pm
Mat
I'm not putting much emphasis on momentum at this stage, but that will increase as the season wears on. At the moment, I am talking more about confidence gained from getting a result on the board, hence my feeling in the Bath v Exeter game that it might be a bit nervy with neither team wanting to make a mistake that costs the match.
I'm not putting much emphasis on momentum at this stage, but that will increase as the season wears on. At the moment, I am talking more about confidence gained from getting a result on the board, hence my feeling in the Bath v Exeter game that it might be a bit nervy with neither team wanting to make a mistake that costs the match.
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Re: AP Round 3
by CJB Fri 16 Sep 2011, 8:35 pm
Quins 25 v 21 Gloucester
Falcons 22 v 18 Tigers
Sarries 16 v 14 Warriors
Saints 27 v 25 Irish
Wasps 27-26 Sale
Falcons 22 v 18 Tigers
Sarries 16 v 14 Warriors
Saints 27 v 25 Irish
Wasps 27-26 Sale
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Re: AP Round 3
by Ozzy3213 Fri 16 Sep 2011, 8:36 pm
Sorry these two are going to be pretty brief as stuck for time.
Northampton Saints 22 London Irish 19
I can see the Irish front row getting marmalised in the scrum here, and in ideal conditions, so without a damp slippery ball I would see Saints backs potentially cutting loose of the back of it, but maybe not so much today as the conditions are not ideal. I do however feel that defensively there are issues, and Naqalevuki in current form would be likely to run over a few of the Saints backs. Home adavantage and a dominant scrum providing a platform for a decent set of attacking backs gives saints the win for me.
London Wasps 22 Sale Sharks 24
No real give in the packs in any area for me, with a real good battle going on between both of them. Godd balance in both sets of backs and decent options off the bench for both sides. I think despite 'bigger' fixtures this could be the game of the day, with the teams very diffcult to separate. I have to be nitpicky to do it, and look hard at the tactics, and the one thing that stands out for me is the Wasps back row looking to really target and rush Cruden. For me, throwing all eggs into this basket when they have another playmaker at 12 and Care at 9 is dangerous, and could leave them exposed around the fringes and Care will exploit this to the max. I can se ethat being decisive and giving Sale a hard fought away win.
Northampton Saints 22 London Irish 19
I can see the Irish front row getting marmalised in the scrum here, and in ideal conditions, so without a damp slippery ball I would see Saints backs potentially cutting loose of the back of it, but maybe not so much today as the conditions are not ideal. I do however feel that defensively there are issues, and Naqalevuki in current form would be likely to run over a few of the Saints backs. Home adavantage and a dominant scrum providing a platform for a decent set of attacking backs gives saints the win for me.
London Wasps 22 Sale Sharks 24
No real give in the packs in any area for me, with a real good battle going on between both of them. Godd balance in both sets of backs and decent options off the bench for both sides. I think despite 'bigger' fixtures this could be the game of the day, with the teams very diffcult to separate. I have to be nitpicky to do it, and look hard at the tactics, and the one thing that stands out for me is the Wasps back row looking to really target and rush Cruden. For me, throwing all eggs into this basket when they have another playmaker at 12 and Care at 9 is dangerous, and could leave them exposed around the fringes and Care will exploit this to the max. I can se ethat being decisive and giving Sale a hard fought away win.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Ozzy3213 Fri 16 Sep 2011, 8:39 pm
Can I just ask a question about some of the scoring guys? I have dry conditions condusive for running rugby and have set up to play an attacking running game, yet I seem to often get predicted low scoring affairs. Is there are reason why, and something I can do to more emphasis the fact that we are going out to score tries?
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Fri 16 Sep 2011, 9:00 pm
I'll get predo's up in the morning, been writing them up on laptop whilst reading on phone. I must look mental! Really close games again.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Ozzy3213 Fri 16 Sep 2011, 9:01 pm
Games all seem to be really tough to call at the moment Pooly. Part of it is that everyone has really good players, and some games you could really justify an argument for it going either way as a result.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Fri 16 Sep 2011, 9:12 pm
Pete on phone and will do rest of predos later but for me your 8,9,10,12.13 would not work. Jvn is tremendous but is a real basher and not subtle. With smith at 6 instead of 7 I think you lack continuity. Add in hodgson who has been possibly worst 9 in Prem for a while and I think humps would get slow ball which is not his game.
Your side is great but a change of tactics for me would see benefits. Dont think you have enough ball carriers for quick ball and that hodgson would kill it. For me you will win most games but in low scoring affairs
Your side is great but a change of tactics for me would see benefits. Dont think you have enough ball carriers for quick ball and that hodgson would kill it. For me you will win most games but in low scoring affairs
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Fri 16 Sep 2011, 10:43 pm
Newcastle vs Leicester 23-24
Think this is hardest game to predict. Have had Leicester winning a few times. Prefer leicester tactics. Not kicking and keeping ball right tactics.
Neecastle would struggle in scrum Lindsay is poor as is stanks. Bruno would almost destroy Lindsay and is still probably worlds best scrummaging 2. Both teams may struggle lineout wise as neither hooker has best darts. That said brown leads a lineout well.
Fvm for me will never step up as a bok 2nd row but him and Kruger are a decent pair. Like Leicester pair also
Newcastle take backrow. This is last time i give smith parity. After this he is marked down pooly. However falcons balance much better. Like the poff and lund tactic but i have seen little of poff and with him and Lund they lack the carrying to win.
For me Leicester would win every time if Waldron started in this game but think they will ruin their superior pack with lack of ball carriers. They needed these to mask their half backs. Falcons slay this. Pretorious is decent but
Maybe overrated. For me he should be 3rd or 4th choice bok 9 with McLeod and vermack younger and more likely. Evans is so much better than Walder its silly.
Backs I think Leicester centres better and great combo. Prefer leicester back 3 just great match up. Biggs and Benjamin weak points neither defends well.
Poolys halfbacks net a draw. For me Leicester have prob best wc team but halfbacks are so crucial that they struggle in some games.
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Think this is hardest game to predict. Have had Leicester winning a few times. Prefer leicester tactics. Not kicking and keeping ball right tactics.
Neecastle would struggle in scrum Lindsay is poor as is stanks. Bruno would almost destroy Lindsay and is still probably worlds best scrummaging 2. Both teams may struggle lineout wise as neither hooker has best darts. That said brown leads a lineout well.
Fvm for me will never step up as a bok 2nd row but him and Kruger are a decent pair. Like Leicester pair also
Newcastle take backrow. This is last time i give smith parity. After this he is marked down pooly. However falcons balance much better. Like the poff and lund tactic but i have seen little of poff and with him and Lund they lack the carrying to win.
For me Leicester would win every time if Waldron started in this game but think they will ruin their superior pack with lack of ball carriers. They needed these to mask their half backs. Falcons slay this. Pretorious is decent but
Maybe overrated. For me he should be 3rd or 4th choice bok 9 with McLeod and vermack younger and more likely. Evans is so much better than Walder its silly.
Backs I think Leicester centres better and great combo. Prefer leicester back 3 just great match up. Biggs and Benjamin weak points neither defends well.
Poolys halfbacks net a draw. For me Leicester have prob best wc team but halfbacks are so crucial that they struggle in some games.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Fri 16 Sep 2011, 10:45 pm
Aggh! Meant 24 -24 Newcastle v lleicester said I had debated it
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Fri 16 Sep 2011, 11:58 pm
Saints 24-24 Irish saints gain platform and most importantly the control of game generally. For me Irish have one of best wc teams but saints front row great even though hard to rate Domingo. Irish will be on back foot but have great dogged engine room. Mumm is aussie schofield and very underrated. Like both backrows but Irish rival sarries wc backrow.
My problem with Irish is Bowden at 10 and for me a temporary ten does not work a la geraghty. Saints main weakness is there flakiness. Chris loves flair but misses size. Difference between a forward and back predicting maybe. However cummins giteau and geraghty is weak defensively. Gits makes his tackles but in real life usually helped by centres. Giteau will have no help here. Cips at 15 also points to frailties. Irish 12 will be a handful but tait marked down massively( seen one AP game so far due to travel so apologies if he is on fire. However I don't think he will ever be a player )
Think both teams will be sensational with returning ball
And equally poor
Defensively. I understand wade is setting AP on fire but still question him when tactically kicked to.
Think given 4 months attwood may fulfill his potential. I have said before I have coached him and my friend coached him most
Of his life and we don't think he
Has the aggression but if he finds it he has more skill than any forward you will see. Sorry for
2 draws but tough to predict with glaring differences between sides
My problem with Irish is Bowden at 10 and for me a temporary ten does not work a la geraghty. Saints main weakness is there flakiness. Chris loves flair but misses size. Difference between a forward and back predicting maybe. However cummins giteau and geraghty is weak defensively. Gits makes his tackles but in real life usually helped by centres. Giteau will have no help here. Cips at 15 also points to frailties. Irish 12 will be a handful but tait marked down massively( seen one AP game so far due to travel so apologies if he is on fire. However I don't think he will ever be a player )
Think both teams will be sensational with returning ball
And equally poor
Defensively. I understand wade is setting AP on fire but still question him when tactically kicked to.
Think given 4 months attwood may fulfill his potential. I have said before I have coached him and my friend coached him most
Of his life and we don't think he
Has the aggression but if he finds it he has more skill than any forward you will see. Sorry for
2 draws but tough to predict with glaring differences between sides
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Sat 17 Sep 2011, 12:00 am
Meant to add that in a loose game like this bassoon is deadly. Also think dupuy will boss cummins and goal kicking will be advantage
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Re: AP Round 3
by 'Arry Sat 17 Sep 2011, 9:44 am
Bath 20 - 18 Exeter
Prefer the Bath back line to Exeter's, very close battle up front, but I feel that Bath have that extra bit of quality and spark in their back line to gain a hard fought victory. Bath's half backs will control and dictate the play and make use of the spark in their back line.
Harlequins 23 - 23 Gloucester
Again a very close battle up front, plenty of options for Quins at the lineout which will give them another platform to attack from. Prefer the Gloucester back line, think Donald will be able to make use of the options out wide. Can also see Gloucester having a good platform set out for them by their centres.
Newcastle Falcons 18 - 16 Leicester Tigers
Give a slight edge to the Falcons in the pack, think Nick Evans will be the main man in this game and his ability in attack and make use of those around him. Not overly sure about Dave Walder. Feel that Newcastle have more routes to venture down in attack than Leicester, good tactics from Luke and also like the back row he has.
Saracens 22 - 18 Worcester Warriors
Tight pack battle like so many of the games this week it's very hard to call. Worcester have plenty of experienced, grizzled players that will fight Sarries tooth and nail. I just feel that Pete has that extra bit of quality in his pack that will see Sarries get the better ball. Good spark in the Sarries back line that will score some tries. Think Worcester will get some joy with the centre partnership running at the Sarries midfield.
Northampton Saints 25 - 25 London Irish
Again a very tight battle up front with plenty of mouth watering battles taking place. Think both back lines are very impressive and difficult to seperate, like Nick's centre combo and can see Geraghty being worked hard in defence. Big fan of Wade on the wing and I can see the Saints playing some exciting rugby but think Irish have enough in their pack and back line to secure a draw. Too hard to seperate.
Prefer the Bath back line to Exeter's, very close battle up front, but I feel that Bath have that extra bit of quality and spark in their back line to gain a hard fought victory. Bath's half backs will control and dictate the play and make use of the spark in their back line.
Harlequins 23 - 23 Gloucester
Again a very close battle up front, plenty of options for Quins at the lineout which will give them another platform to attack from. Prefer the Gloucester back line, think Donald will be able to make use of the options out wide. Can also see Gloucester having a good platform set out for them by their centres.
Newcastle Falcons 18 - 16 Leicester Tigers
Give a slight edge to the Falcons in the pack, think Nick Evans will be the main man in this game and his ability in attack and make use of those around him. Not overly sure about Dave Walder. Feel that Newcastle have more routes to venture down in attack than Leicester, good tactics from Luke and also like the back row he has.
Saracens 22 - 18 Worcester Warriors
Tight pack battle like so many of the games this week it's very hard to call. Worcester have plenty of experienced, grizzled players that will fight Sarries tooth and nail. I just feel that Pete has that extra bit of quality in his pack that will see Sarries get the better ball. Good spark in the Sarries back line that will score some tries. Think Worcester will get some joy with the centre partnership running at the Sarries midfield.
Northampton Saints 25 - 25 London Irish
Again a very tight battle up front with plenty of mouth watering battles taking place. Think both back lines are very impressive and difficult to seperate, like Nick's centre combo and can see Geraghty being worked hard in defence. Big fan of Wade on the wing and I can see the Saints playing some exciting rugby but think Irish have enough in their pack and back line to secure a draw. Too hard to seperate.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Driver Sat 17 Sep 2011, 10:37 am
Quins 25 Gloucester 17
Falcons 22 Tigers 22
Sarries 15 Worcester 9
Saints 22 Irish 22
Wasps 19 Sale 19
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Falcons 22 Tigers 22
Sarries 15 Worcester 9
Saints 22 Irish 22
Wasps 19 Sale 19
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Re: AP Round 3
by dammit_chris Sat 17 Sep 2011, 10:44 am
Guys having a meeting about documentary, which is slowly taking over my whole life - so excuse the small predos -
Bath 26 - 25 Exeter
- Home advantage is decisive in this one, prefer Exeter backrow, but Bath pack little stronger overall and have more in their backline. Would have gone for more than a 1pt win, but cant see Allen working as a 13 and could effect their moves etc.
Harlequins 28 - 26 Gloucester
Would say that it is really close 1-10 and a really good battle here. Like both setups and very combative. Think the difference could be Flutey and his ability to pull the Volcano out of position and bring runners in. Just not sure 12/13 combo works, dont think big les has the hands to be a good 12!
Newcastle 17 - 17 Leicester
Think LLL makes a good point on the Newcastle front row, it can be got at and the Tigers are going to cause them all sorts of trouble there. But, do they have enough elsewhere to get a win at the fortress? I dont think they quite do and Nick Evans will salvage a draw.
Saracens 29 - 26Worcester
Can see a lot of tries here - Sarries might not have the most experienced 12-13 combo, but they compliment each other and both are in tip-top form. I often believe that when new players come in they can cause teams a lot of problems because the opposition doesnt know what to do defensively with them. 36 could shine. Surprised Worcester dropped Robinson for this one, reckon it would have made a differne.
Wasps 19 - 18 Sale
Wasps solid, very tought to break down etc - can see them being too combative for Sale at home. Do like what Arry has done here, really strong team that will do well. A home win, but not by much!
Bath 26 - 25 Exeter
- Home advantage is decisive in this one, prefer Exeter backrow, but Bath pack little stronger overall and have more in their backline. Would have gone for more than a 1pt win, but cant see Allen working as a 13 and could effect their moves etc.
Harlequins 28 - 26 Gloucester
Would say that it is really close 1-10 and a really good battle here. Like both setups and very combative. Think the difference could be Flutey and his ability to pull the Volcano out of position and bring runners in. Just not sure 12/13 combo works, dont think big les has the hands to be a good 12!
Newcastle 17 - 17 Leicester
Think LLL makes a good point on the Newcastle front row, it can be got at and the Tigers are going to cause them all sorts of trouble there. But, do they have enough elsewhere to get a win at the fortress? I dont think they quite do and Nick Evans will salvage a draw.
Saracens 29 - 26Worcester
Can see a lot of tries here - Sarries might not have the most experienced 12-13 combo, but they compliment each other and both are in tip-top form. I often believe that when new players come in they can cause teams a lot of problems because the opposition doesnt know what to do defensively with them. 36 could shine. Surprised Worcester dropped Robinson for this one, reckon it would have made a differne.
Wasps 19 - 18 Sale
Wasps solid, very tought to break down etc - can see them being too combative for Sale at home. Do like what Arry has done here, really strong team that will do well. A home win, but not by much!
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Sat 17 Sep 2011, 10:59 am
Bath 24–23 Exeter Chiefs
Small edge in the front row with Kayser shading Ward come scrum time, not much in the props though. Little bit more quality in the Bath engine room although a good contest, Exeter might have a little more at the lineout and their tactics back this up. Quality backrow battle, will be a real tight affair I’m struggling to call.
Edge in the halfbacks for Bath with Kelleher being able to dictate play, good pairings from both teams though. Nice centre combo’s from both teams, bit more physical presence from Bath will see them getting over the advantage line. I like the balance of Exeter backline but think they’re more set-up to rip teams up at home. Very strong bench from Exeter and they’ll really push Bath in this one.
BATH MOTM – Monye
EXETER MOTM – Kayser
Harlequins 18–17 Gloucester
Can’t see either team getting much advantage in the scrum with two solid front rows. Quins have more in the engine room though and would possibly have a bit more in the lineout with some good backrow options, they’re tactic of going after Gloucester lineout could pay dividends but nothing major. Edge in the Quins backrow with nice balance, not a huge fan of Gaskell at 6 but he’ll get an edge on Buxton around the park. Buxton will give some good grunt though.
Prefer the Gloucester halfbacks in this one, not sure Steenson is the man to ignite that backline, especially at home whilst Donald and Lewis could get some good counter attacking ball. Not sure about Les at 12, think it’s his first game here for Gloucester and a new centre combo against a settled Quins, could work but think it’ll need another game or so to be effective. Sharples/Roko would be a cracking battle and I like Hamilton at 15 in this one. Good bench options for both with a little more impact for Gloucester that’ll get them close to winning it.
QUINS MOTM – Flutey
GLOUCESTER MOTM - Hamilton
Saracens 18–15 Worcester
Can’t see much change in the scrum, Marconnet would really get at Harris but I think Saracens would have edge at hook and LH. Bit more in the Sarries engine room with a strong combo that’ll give Worcester issues. Think both teams will hold their own lineout though. Really good backrow battle with Worcester really fronting up with a little more balance on the flanks, think JVN would bring more than Chabal but I think Wrocester have a fair egde here and wll cause Sarries issues.
Think it’s one a piece in the halfbacks with Peel in a bit more form than Hodgson but Humps bringing a bit more Vesty although he’s looked pretty good this season. Not convinced with the Sarries midfield, don’t think Farrell is much of a 12 yet and not sure of the combo complimenting each other greatly, whilst Worcesters won’t offer a great deal in attack but very solid defensively. Sarries have a bit more class in the back 3, Visser v Malz would a tasty battle though. Strong benches from both. Home advantage and a little more for Sarries gives them the win. Really feel for prop in this one as at home I think he might have snuck this one, but Saracens is a real tough place to go and this gives them the 3 point advantage.
SARRIES MOTM – Elstadt
WORCESTER MOTM – Newby
Northampton 26–23 London Irish
Fair edge for Saints in the front row and I think they’ll get some joy in the scrum. Engine rooms tight, not much in lineout either, Kennedy could have done some damage for Irish here I think. Good backrow battle and I think irish have a bit of an edge here, they’ll give Saints some issues around the fringes.
Dupey would give Commins a real tough game and gives Irish the stronger combo although Giteau the standout player involved. Just prefer the Irish midfield although their first outing?!? Would prob bring it about level. Naqa would really test Geraghty’s defence though and I imagine a lot of joy for them through the 10/12 channel. Bit more attacking threat in the Saints back 3 which works a little more at home but could be alittle fragile to Irish’s big runners. I think Chris isn’t too fussed about defence in his backs with Cips, Wade, Giteau, Gereghty not great. He’ll just get away with this at home but if Irish had of started with their two big centres they’d have battered them through the middle. I do like the Irish back 3 and they’ll give a good game. Irish really push Saints in this one but they’re just not getting the breaks despite really playing well.
SAINTS MOTM – Giteau
IRISH MOTM – Dupey
London Wasps 24–24 Sale Sharks
Titanic front row battle, can’t see either team getting on top and it’s the same in the engine rooms with some serious quality on show. Lineout would be a great contest. Really tight backrow, I’d give a little edge at 7 for Sale and that back at 6 for Wasps…not much in the 8’s though. Great pack battle.
Think the Sale halfbacks just have the advantage here, again a cracking battle with some good form and quality. Centres edge to Wasps, big fan of McAlister and he’ll give Barkley issues although I think Fruen’s pace might trouble Mortlock on the outside. Difference in quality on the wings for Sale with Brown maybe just edging FB. Good bench options for both sides. Fantastic game this one, think Sale match the Wasps pack and have a little edge in halfbacks and back 3. Wasps centres esp McA will bring a new dimension to Wasps though and I just can’t separate the teams with home advantage keeping Wasps in it till the end.
WASPS MOTM – McAlister
SALE MOTM - Strettle
Small edge in the front row with Kayser shading Ward come scrum time, not much in the props though. Little bit more quality in the Bath engine room although a good contest, Exeter might have a little more at the lineout and their tactics back this up. Quality backrow battle, will be a real tight affair I’m struggling to call.
Edge in the halfbacks for Bath with Kelleher being able to dictate play, good pairings from both teams though. Nice centre combo’s from both teams, bit more physical presence from Bath will see them getting over the advantage line. I like the balance of Exeter backline but think they’re more set-up to rip teams up at home. Very strong bench from Exeter and they’ll really push Bath in this one.
BATH MOTM – Monye
EXETER MOTM – Kayser
Harlequins 18–17 Gloucester
Can’t see either team getting much advantage in the scrum with two solid front rows. Quins have more in the engine room though and would possibly have a bit more in the lineout with some good backrow options, they’re tactic of going after Gloucester lineout could pay dividends but nothing major. Edge in the Quins backrow with nice balance, not a huge fan of Gaskell at 6 but he’ll get an edge on Buxton around the park. Buxton will give some good grunt though.
Prefer the Gloucester halfbacks in this one, not sure Steenson is the man to ignite that backline, especially at home whilst Donald and Lewis could get some good counter attacking ball. Not sure about Les at 12, think it’s his first game here for Gloucester and a new centre combo against a settled Quins, could work but think it’ll need another game or so to be effective. Sharples/Roko would be a cracking battle and I like Hamilton at 15 in this one. Good bench options for both with a little more impact for Gloucester that’ll get them close to winning it.
QUINS MOTM – Flutey
GLOUCESTER MOTM - Hamilton
Saracens 18–15 Worcester
Can’t see much change in the scrum, Marconnet would really get at Harris but I think Saracens would have edge at hook and LH. Bit more in the Sarries engine room with a strong combo that’ll give Worcester issues. Think both teams will hold their own lineout though. Really good backrow battle with Worcester really fronting up with a little more balance on the flanks, think JVN would bring more than Chabal but I think Wrocester have a fair egde here and wll cause Sarries issues.
Think it’s one a piece in the halfbacks with Peel in a bit more form than Hodgson but Humps bringing a bit more Vesty although he’s looked pretty good this season. Not convinced with the Sarries midfield, don’t think Farrell is much of a 12 yet and not sure of the combo complimenting each other greatly, whilst Worcesters won’t offer a great deal in attack but very solid defensively. Sarries have a bit more class in the back 3, Visser v Malz would a tasty battle though. Strong benches from both. Home advantage and a little more for Sarries gives them the win. Really feel for prop in this one as at home I think he might have snuck this one, but Saracens is a real tough place to go and this gives them the 3 point advantage.
SARRIES MOTM – Elstadt
WORCESTER MOTM – Newby
Northampton 26–23 London Irish
Fair edge for Saints in the front row and I think they’ll get some joy in the scrum. Engine rooms tight, not much in lineout either, Kennedy could have done some damage for Irish here I think. Good backrow battle and I think irish have a bit of an edge here, they’ll give Saints some issues around the fringes.
Dupey would give Commins a real tough game and gives Irish the stronger combo although Giteau the standout player involved. Just prefer the Irish midfield although their first outing?!? Would prob bring it about level. Naqa would really test Geraghty’s defence though and I imagine a lot of joy for them through the 10/12 channel. Bit more attacking threat in the Saints back 3 which works a little more at home but could be alittle fragile to Irish’s big runners. I think Chris isn’t too fussed about defence in his backs with Cips, Wade, Giteau, Gereghty not great. He’ll just get away with this at home but if Irish had of started with their two big centres they’d have battered them through the middle. I do like the Irish back 3 and they’ll give a good game. Irish really push Saints in this one but they’re just not getting the breaks despite really playing well.
SAINTS MOTM – Giteau
IRISH MOTM – Dupey
London Wasps 24–24 Sale Sharks
Titanic front row battle, can’t see either team getting on top and it’s the same in the engine rooms with some serious quality on show. Lineout would be a great contest. Really tight backrow, I’d give a little edge at 7 for Sale and that back at 6 for Wasps…not much in the 8’s though. Great pack battle.
Think the Sale halfbacks just have the advantage here, again a cracking battle with some good form and quality. Centres edge to Wasps, big fan of McAlister and he’ll give Barkley issues although I think Fruen’s pace might trouble Mortlock on the outside. Difference in quality on the wings for Sale with Brown maybe just edging FB. Good bench options for both sides. Fantastic game this one, think Sale match the Wasps pack and have a little edge in halfbacks and back 3. Wasps centres esp McA will bring a new dimension to Wasps though and I just can’t separate the teams with home advantage keeping Wasps in it till the end.
WASPS MOTM – McAlister
SALE MOTM - Strettle
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Re: AP Round 3
by prop_lyd Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:06 am
How many matches can a player make in general in a row then? I see a few have noted me dropping robinson and changes in front row counting against me. Trying to keep a rotation policy going.
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:09 am
Fatigue doesn't really kick in till halfway through the season for me, quite like to see a pretty settled squad during first 5 or so matches. As long as using subs etc should be fine for me Prop. Def fine in the backs
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:23 am
Wasps 19 - 18 Sale. Wasps very rugged and
Will take some scalps at home. Very close prefer sales halfbacks but they will not get enough edge up
Front to win
Will take some scalps at home. Very close prefer sales halfbacks but they will not get enough edge up
Front to win
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:27 am
Saracens 17-13 Worcester good back row battle and would have sarries by more but don't like centre combo. Worcester half backs had te edge for me and keep them in it
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:28 am
Back home pooly but off to Canada tomorrow so a fleeting visit unfortunately
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:32 am
Jesus you get about, must get some air miles under your belt
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Re: AP Round 3
by Guest Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:35 am
Pooly back next Sunday and then Norway 3 days later and then 4 days home before Germany for a week. Can't stand Germany apart from Berlin. Food in Germany is so bad. Will not get to play first match until mid
October. If england get to semi finals I will go over for the game in the hope of seeing us win wc.
Have about 170000 ba miles currently. They are so sly that you cannot use them for hardly any flights unless you book about year in advance
October. If england get to semi finals I will go over for the game in the hope of seeing us win wc.
Have about 170000 ba miles currently. They are so sly that you cannot use them for hardly any flights unless you book about year in advance
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Re: AP Round 3
by prop_lyd Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:37 am
That's a mad amount of travelling....is that how you get your star studded squad by tapping them up?
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Re: AP Round 3
by Sgt_Pooly Sat 17 Sep 2011, 11:38 am
I couldn't do it Matt, bad enough hitting the A1 twice a week! Bet it's great getting home
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