imagine Bolt Vs Gay Vs Dix Vs Blake 200m

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I think This race would get someone below 20s

im just glad to be witnessing these fast men!!!!

Hello, pedants corner here:

Merga ran a number of diamond league meets, in fact I would say that he probably ran as much if not more than the other top guys. If memory serves he was just behind Mo in the 10000m in Eugene and the 5000m in Monaco. His infamous razor elbows also caused Solinsky to bomb out of one of the big races this year.

Maybe you were referring to Jeilan? If so I believe he lives in Japan and races there.

My views on this topic:
Obviously neither side here has any evidence to support their claims, but for my personal view I've tried to remember back to when I've witnessed what would later prove to be eras in the sprints where doping was rife (80's/ early 90's, BALCO era etc.) and compare to the current day.

Whats happening now certainly feels like it did when the aforementioned doping was happening. Thats not to say there definitely is widespread doping, it's just my hunch from comparing to past doping eras that it is. Furthermore, I am not just talking about Jamaica. The times of Jeter, Gay, Dix, Lemaitre and others should all not be beyond scrutiny either.

If we return to topic issue Bolt Vs Gay Vs Dix Vs Blake 200m, my opinion its will be the greatest sprint battle in athletics history.
Battle of similar possibilities.
And very very exciting for the spectators.

bigj

agreed, it just has that feeling
obviously i have no direct evidence but the circumstantial stuff is starting to mount now.
most certainly it's not just jamaicans. unfortunately they're just the most high profile

english_osprey wrote:
Just imagine a situation where a few countries had a very advanced ped situation. The one I am describing. Almost everything that has happened in athletics over the last few years can be explained by that 'imaginary scenario'.

super-fast sprinting times
enormous dominance in certain events (but not others)by certain countries
several low-level masking agent type drug failures (blake and fraser)
the occaisional medium profile bust (mullings)
the relatively poor showing of countries that take drug testing seriously

English bird, that is not a bad argument (your first time at posting facts). Well done! And well done for keeping away from the digs/jibes and your usual stuff. You've posted a nice intelligent post, it is nice to read and non offensive.

Anyway, school has just finished, I'll try and think up something later for my homework, but i must go as mummy says my dinner is ready. Remember, keep it nice.

Hello



Okay, okay, after much deliberation, not to mention a protracted consultation with the Eastern Oracle, I, Emancipator, have decided that petty squabbling rules have now been reinstated.

My children,

Ye may petty squabble, 'till your hearts' content.

ding, ding: round 25



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thanks fellah

I read this after I read the Paula thread, so don't go there ok?

There is nothing unusual about Jamaica despite its small population producing world class sprinters ,in such high numbers.

The Caribbean has arguably the most athletic people in the world (P4P). Over recent years we have seen world champions from the Bahamas, Barbados, St. Kitts Nevis, T&T and now Grenada (Kirani James didn’t just turn up out of the blue), not to mention the Cubans.


Someone ask the question? How come Jamaica is producing so many world class sprinters all of a sudden? Nothing unusual here: The tradition of athletics goes back over a century and athletics is a national pastime. This is the golden generation.
This is analogous to Spain recent success in football.

The same could be said of West Indies Cricket in the late 70s to early 90s. During that period the West Indies churned out an all conquering team full of all time greats. That was the golden years.


Population size has nothing to do with it. Barbados and with a population of under 300,000 has produced more great cricketers than: India with a population of 1.2 billion and arguably more great cricketer than England a population of 60 million.

PS: Blake ran 10.11 (the Jamaica Junior Record) for the 100m when he was still in Secondary School (I guess he was on PEDs back then?). He was 17 at the time. He was destined for greatness. He also ran 20.57 at the age of 17.

He didn’t just turn up out of the blue. 4 years ago I mentioned that the world should look out for him on the old BBC 606 forum.

Bolt was a prodigy as well. He ran 19.93 for the 200 aged 17 (I guess he was on PED back then?).

Be on the lookout for Odean Skeen as well: He ran 10.42 at the age of 15 (I guess he is on PED as well). There are many more like them in Jamaica

I guess Christophe Lemaitre is on PED as well? This is the golden age of sprinting.

oh browny

you're like the man who's been asleep for a year

why not try what the forums are talking about now rather than in the past

we have discussed and agreed that (as always) jamaica has fantastic JUNIOR sprinters. Why, because irrespective of their actual age jamaicans and west africans sprinters appear to be fully fledged men rather than boys at much earlir ages than other nationalities.

However in the past junior talent hasn't led to senior success. no olympic sprint medals for 30 years before bolt? now they appear to not only have a achieved a successful transition but to have 5 of the 7 fastest of all time. To use your own arguement, where are the rest of the carribean re worlds fastest times?



'The Caribbean has arguably the most athletic people in the world '
No they don't - they have the worlds best sprinters and that's about it


'Barbados and with a population of under 300,000 has produced more great cricketers than: India with a population of 1.2 billion and arguably more great cricketer than England a population of 60 million.'

yeah, right

'Barbados and with a population of under 300,000 has produced more great cricketers than: India with a population of 1.2 billion and arguably more great cricketers than England a population of 60 million.'

''yeah, right''

Just to digress a bit EO.

Please provide evidence to the contrary.

'The Caribbean has arguably the most athletic people in the world '

No they don't - they have the worlds best sprinters and that's about it

You missed of P4P?

What about the Cuban jumpers, throwers etc? Is Cuba not a part of the Caribbean?

Again please provide evidence to the contrary.

Isnt athletics the purest forms of sport? It is the main olympic sport, with over 200 countries competing across the various discipline, the most democratic of sports, the most athletic (no pun intended) of all sport. Taking all those factors into consideration the caribbean is indeed the most atheltic of nations.

i missed the p4p bit, pound for pound?

couldn't say what the genetic make up of cuba was. but once again where is their world domination of anything? they have some success but what of jamaica where are your throwers, middle/long distance etc if your traing regimes are that good?
if you read this thread, 1 poster asks if there has been a large improvement in the last few years due to techncal knowledge how come the 'less-technical' events like 100m has shown the biggest improvement?
In other words where are your technical athletes?

The obvious answer is that it's easier to drug power events(like sprinting) rather than 'technical' stuff

Back to the same point - you don't excell at athletics you excell at sprinting. There's a world of difference. Just have a look back through olympic history

I was expecting a homophobic joke punchline when I opened this thread.

bummer

It would be funny if these did all come out as being doppers in a few years time.

I enjoyed reading this thread fellas killed an hour in work

english_osprey wrote:bummer

very nice.