Welsh fans - Time to stop the pessimism.

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Right, I haven’t posted on here much since the old 606 closed (still don’t really like the format here – am I the only person who thinks the threads go on WAY TOO LONG?! Mods – please don’t just stick this onto another thread, it gets tedious!) but today I feel driven to act! I’ve been a little guilty of this myself but quite frankly it’s getting silly now.

We are just a few days away from Wales biggest match in years; Wales have frankly been playing better than they have in years; and we’re up against opposition we have beaten fairly regularly during the last few years. It’s time to stop being so damn cautious about our chances and get the hell behind the boys!

Yes, of course we know BOD, POC, ROG, SOB etc. are class, and yes they know how to win games, but our boys don’t exactly look like a mothers’ union! I’m not wasting any more time and effort being pessimistic about our chances, because right now I feel like we could honestly take them to the cleaners.

George North and Jamie Roberts are quite frankly the most intimidating backs in the competition, Warburton is like a one man army, Gethin looks like he has a firecracker up his arse, and Lydiate, who has been fantastic, will be back. I could bang on about how well any one of 20+ of our players are playing, but what’s the point – it says it all that we don’t even know if Shane and Hook (clearly 2 of Wales best players of about the last 30 years) will be in the squad for Saturday!

So what if the last two sides we played were limited – WE ABSOULTELY MURDERED THEM!!! When was the last time Wales put 50+ points on anyone – let alone twice in a week at a world cup?

The Irish fans are all banging on about their Heiny cup experience – but right now our boys are absolutely pumping and most of them have barely ever played in the Heiny!!! Who the hell is going to be thinking about the Heineken Cup this weekend?!

Wales by more than 7.

COME ON!!!

When's the last time Wales have beaten Ireland twice in a row?

6 Nations 2011
RWC October 2011

RubyGuby wrote:When's the last time Wales have beaten Ireland twice in a row?

6 Nations 2011
RWC October 2011

RWC 2011 hasnt happened yet so it doesnt count.

RG, talk about hauling yourself up with your own bootstraps! But I hope you'll be proven right.

caoimhincentre wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:When's the last time Wales have beaten Ireland twice in a row?

6 Nations 2011
RWC October 2011

RWC 2011 hasnt happened yet so it doesnt count.

Yes it would be a first, Wales have never beaten Ireland twice in one year.

http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;opposition=3;page=2;result=1;team=4;template=results;type=team;view=results

Feckless Rogue wrote:Jeez. When's the last time Wales have beaten Ireland twice in a row? I bet ye wish ye didn't win that 6 Nations match now. Hehe.

Games played: 116 18.30%
Games won by Wales: 63 54.31%
Games lost by Wales: 47 40.52%
Games drawn: 6 5.17%
Most wins in a row for Wales over Ireland: 5
Most losses in a row for Wales to Ireland: 5
Largest points for Wales: 34 9 - 34
Largest points against Wales: 54 54 - 10
Largest winning margin for Wales: 29 29 - 0
Largest losing margin for Wales: 44 54 - 10
Total points for Wales: 1,348
Total points against Wales: 1,229
Average points for Wales per game: 11.62
Average points against Wales per game: 10.59
Average points difference per game between Wales and Ireland: 1.03


Wales won 2G 0G +2G - - v Ireland Lansdowne Road 28 Jan 1882
Wales won 1G 0G +1G - - v Ireland Cardiff 12 Apr 1884
Wales won 1G 0G +1G - - v Ireland Birkenhead 12 Mar 1887
Wales lost 0G 2G -2G - - v Ireland Lansdowne Road 3 Mar 1888
Wales lost 0G 0G 0G - - v Ireland Swansea 2 Mar 1889
Wales draw 3 3 0 0 3 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 1 Mar 1890
Wales won 6 4 +2 6 1 v Ireland Llanelli 7 Mar 1891
Wales lost 0 9 -9 0 7 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 5 Mar 1892
Wales won 2 0 +2 2 0 v Ireland Llanelli 11 Mar 1893
Wales lost 0 3 -3 0 3 v Ireland Belfast 10 Mar 1894
Wales won 5 3 +2 5 3 v Ireland Cardiff 16 Mar 1895
Wales lost 4 8 -4 - - v Ireland Lansdowne Road 14 Mar 1896
Wales won 11 3 +8 5 3 v Ireland Limerick 19 Mar 1898
Wales lost 0 3 -3 0 3 v Ireland Cardiff 18 Mar 1899
Wales won 3 0 +3 - - v Ireland Belfast 17 Mar 1900
Wales won 10 9 +1 5 9 v Ireland Swansea 16 Mar 1901
Wales won 15 0 +15 - - v Ireland Lansdowne Road 8 Mar 1902
Wales won 18 0 +18 9 0 v Ireland Cardiff 14 Mar 1903
Wales lost 12 14 -2 3 6 v Ireland Belfast 12 Mar 1904
Wales won 10 3 +7 10 3 v Ireland Swansea 11 Mar 1905
Wales lost 6 11 -5 3 8 v Ireland Belfast 10 Mar 1906
Wales won 29 0 +29 6 0 v Ireland Cardiff 9 Mar 1907
Wales won 11 5 +6 5 5 v Ireland Belfast 14 Mar 1908
Wales won 18 5 +13 - - v Ireland Swansea 13 Mar 1909
Wales won 19 3 +16 3 3 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 12 Mar 1910
Wales won 16 0 +16 5 0 v Ireland Cardiff 11 Mar 1911
Wales lost 5 12 -7 5 0 v Ireland Belfast 9 Mar 1912
Wales won 16 13 +3 8 8 v Ireland Swansea 8 Mar 1913
Wales won 11 3 +8 3 3 v Ireland Belfast 14 Mar 1914
Wales won 28 4 +24 17 0 v Ireland Cardiff 13 Mar 1920
Wales won 6 0 +6 - - v Ireland Belfast 12 Mar 1921
Wales won 11 5 +6 3 0 v Ireland Swansea 11 Mar 1922
Wales lost 4 5 -1 4 5 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 10 Mar 1923
Wales lost 10 13 -3 3 8 v Ireland Cardiff 8 Mar 1924
Wales lost 3 19 -16 0 8 v Ireland Belfast 14 Mar 1925
Wales won 11 8 +3 3 8 v Ireland Swansea 13 Mar 1926
Wales lost 9 19 -10 0 11 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 12 Mar 1927
Wales lost 10 13 -3 5 5 v Ireland Cardiff 10 Mar 1928
Wales draw 5 5 0 0 5 v Ireland Belfast 9 Mar 1929
Wales won 12 7 +5 6 7 v Ireland Swansea 8 Mar 1930
Wales won 15 3 +12 4 3 v Ireland Belfast 14 Mar 1931
Wales lost 10 12 -2 3 3 v Ireland Cardiff 12 Mar 1932
Wales lost 5 10 -5 0 7 v Ireland Belfast 11 Mar 1933
Wales won 13 0 +13 - - v Ireland Swansea 10 Mar 1934
Wales lost 3 9 -6 0 6 v Ireland Belfast 9 Mar 1935
Wales won 3 0 +3 3 0 v Ireland Cardiff 14 Mar 1936
Wales lost 3 5 -2 3 0 v Ireland Belfast 3 Apr 1937
Wales won 11 5 +6 3 5 v Ireland Swansea 12 Mar 1938
Wales won 7 0 +7 - - v Ireland Belfast 11 Mar 1939
Wales won 6 0 +6 - - v Ireland Swansea 29 Mar 1947
Wales lost 3 6 -3 3 3 v Ireland Belfast 13 Mar 1948
Wales lost 0 5 -5 - - v Ireland Swansea 12 Mar 1949
Wales won 6 3 +3 - - v Ireland Belfast 11 Mar 1950
Wales draw 3 3 0 3 3 v Ireland Cardiff 10 Mar 1951
Wales won 14 3 +11 9 0 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 8 Mar 1952
Wales won 5 3 +2 - - v Ireland Swansea 14 Mar 1953
Wales won 12 9 +3 6 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 13 Mar 1954
Wales won 21 3 +18 3 0 v Ireland Cardiff 12 Mar 1955
Wales lost 3 11 -8 3 0 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 10 Mar 1956
Wales won 6 5 +1 3 6 v Ireland Cardiff 9 Mar 1957
Wales won 9 6 +3 6 0 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 15 Mar 1958
Wales won 8 6 +2 0 6 v Ireland Cardiff 14 Mar 1959
Wales won 10 9 +1 5 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 12 Mar 1960
Wales won 9 0 +9 3 0 v Ireland Cardiff 11 Mar 1961
Wales draw 3 3 0 0 3 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 17 Nov 1962
Wales lost 6 14 -8 3 8 v Ireland Cardiff 9 Mar 1963
Wales won 15 6 +9 5 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 7 Mar 1964
Wales won 14 8 +6 5 0 v Ireland Cardiff 13 Mar 1965
Wales lost 6 9 -3 3 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 12 Mar 1966
Wales lost 0 3 -3 0 3 v Ireland Cardiff 11 Mar 1967
Wales lost 6 9 -3 3 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 9 Mar 1968
Wales won 24 11 +13 8 6 v Ireland Cardiff 8 Mar 1969
Wales lost 0 14 -14 - - v Ireland Lansdowne Road 14 Mar 1970
Wales won 23 9 +14 9 6 v Ireland Cardiff 13 Mar 1971
Wales won 16 12 +4 6 3 v Ireland Cardiff 10 Mar 1973
Wales draw 9 9 0 6 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 2 Feb 1974
Wales won 32 4 +28 7 0 v Ireland Cardiff 15 Mar 1975
Wales won 34 9 +25 10 9 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 21 Feb 1976
Wales won 25 9 +16 0 6 v Ireland Cardiff 15 Jan 1977
Wales won 20 16 +4 13 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 4 Mar 1978
Wales won 24 21 +3 12 9 v Ireland Cardiff 3 Feb 1979
Wales lost 7 21 -14 3 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 15 Mar 1980
Wales won 9 8 +1 3 8 v Ireland Cardiff 21 Feb 1981
Wales lost 12 20 -8 9 8 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 23 Jan 1982
Wales won 23 9 +14 12 6 v Ireland Cardiff 5 Mar 1983
Wales won 18 9 +9 9 3 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 4 Feb 1984
Wales lost 9 21 -12 - - v Ireland Cardiff 16 Mar 1985
Wales won 19 12 +7 4 12 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 15 Feb 1986
Wales lost 11 15 -4 8 6 v Ireland Cardiff 4 Apr 1987
Wales won 13 6 +7 0 6 v Ireland Wellington 25 May 1987
Wales won 12 9 +3 3 9 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 5 Mar 1988
Wales lost 13 19 -6 6 0 v Ireland Cardiff 4 Feb 1989
Wales lost 8 14 -6 0 10 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 24 Mar 1990
Wales draw 21 21 0 9 9 v Ireland Cardiff 16 Feb 1991
Wales won 16 15 +1 6 9 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 18 Jan 1992
Wales lost 14 19 -5 6 13 v Ireland Cardiff 6 Mar 1993
Wales won 17 15 +2 8 9 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 5 Feb 1994
Wales lost 12 16 -4 6 13 v Ireland Cardiff 18 Mar 1995
Wales lost 23 24 -1 6 14 v Ireland Johannesburg 4 Jun 1995
Wales lost 17 30 -13 7 15 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 2 Mar 1996
Wales lost 25 26 -1 10 20 v Ireland Cardiff 1 Feb 1997
Wales won 30 21 +9 13 15 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 21 Mar 1998
Wales lost 23 29 -6 6 16 v Ireland Wembley 20 Feb 1999
Wales won 23 19 +4 10 6 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 1 Apr 2000
Wales lost 6 36 -30 3 15 v Ireland Millennium Stadium 13 Oct 2001
Wales lost 10 54 -44 3 24 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 3 Feb 2002
Wales lost 24 25 -1 7 14 v Ireland Millennium Stadium 22 Mar 2003
Wales lost 12 35 -23 5 14 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 16 Aug 2003
Wales lost 15 36 -21 3 24 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 22 Feb 2004
Wales won 32 20 +12 16 6 v Ireland Millennium Stadium 19 Mar 2005
Wales lost 5 31 -26 5 11 v Ireland Lansdowne Road 26 Feb 2006
Wales lost 9 19 -10 9 12 v Ireland Millennium Stadium 4 Feb 2007
Wales won 16 12 +4 3 6 v Ireland Croke Park 8 Mar 2008
Wales lost 15 17 -2 6 0 v Ireland Millennium Stadium 21 Mar 2009
Wales lost 12 27 -15 6 16 v Ireland Croke Park 13 Mar 2010
Wales won 19 13 +6 9 13 v Ireland Millennium Stadium 12 Mar 2011

That's a 55% win ratio to us then, I'll take that

RubyGuby wrote:That's a 55% win ratio to us then, I'll take that

Its 54.31% actually. Stop vastly overrating your team.

When's the last time Wales have beaten Ireland twice in a row?

6 Nations 2011
RWC October 2011

I like and admire your optimism.

RubyGuby wrote:That's a 55% win ratio to us then, I'll take that

Man what a shame the guys from 60 years ago can't play for wales, you really dominated Ireland in those days.

maestegmafia

Nice set of statistics even if a 54.31% win ratio is nothing to write home about given that rugby is Wales' national game whereas historically it's been Ireland's 4th sport at best.

A more realistic set of statistic's I think would be since the game went pro in 1995 which is when Ireland really started to take the game seriously and it started to have an impact outside the traditional heartlands.

Games played Played 17 100.0%
Wins (Ireland) 12 70.6%
Losses (Ireland) 5 29.4%
Draws 0

Sat, 02 Mar 1996 5N Ireland v Wales 30-17 4:2 5-0 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin H
Sat, 01 Feb 1997 5N Ireland v Wales 26-25 3:3 4-1 Cardiff Arms Park A
Sat, 21 Mar 1998 5N Ireland v Wales 21-30 2:3 0-4 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin H
Sat, 20 Feb 1999 5N Ireland v Wales 29-23 2:2 4-1 Wembley Stadium, London A
Sat, 01 Apr 2000 6N 5 Ireland v Wales 19-23 1:2 1-4 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin H
Sat, 13 Oct 2001 6N 3 Ireland v Wales 36-6 3:0 4-0 Millennium Stadium, Cardiff A
Sun, 03 Feb 2002 6N 1 Ireland v Wales 54-10 6:1 5-0 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin H
Sat, 22 Mar 2003 6N 4 Ireland v Wales 25-24 2:3 4-1 Millennium Stadium, Cardiff A
Sat, 16 Aug 2003 WU Ireland v Wales 35-12 5:2 5-0 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin H
Sun, 22 Feb 2004 6N 2 Ireland v Wales 36-15 6:2 5-0 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin H
Sat, 19 Mar 2005 6N 5 Ireland v Wales 20-32 2:2 0-4 Millennium Stadium, Cardiff A
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 6N 3 Ireland v Wales 31-5 3:1 4-0 Lansdowne Rd, Dublin H
Sun, 04 Feb 2007 6N 1 Ireland v Wales 19-9 3:0 4-0 Millennium Stadium, Cardiff A
Sat, 08 Mar 2008 6N 4 Ireland v Wales 12-16 0:1 1-4 Croke Park, Dublin H
Sat, 21 Mar 2009 6N 5 Ireland v Wales 17-15 2:0 4-1 Millennium Stadium, Cardiff A
Sat, 13 Mar 2010 6N 4 Ireland v Wales 27-12 3:0 4-0 Croke Park, Dublin H
Sat, 12 Mar 2011 6N 4 Ireland v Wales 13-19 1:1 1-4 Millennium Stadium, Cardiff A

I wonder what odds a betting man would lay on the direction the statistics will take over the next 100 years.

"I wonder what odds a betting man would lay on the direction the statistics will take over the next 100 years"

Probably won't be interested because if the same players remain in the squad for tht long, you are likely to go backwards in about 10 years time.