DeGale vs Wilczewski

Watched the fight and scored it a draw...Thought DeGale looked poor on Saturday.

I'm really disappointed in his performance...I don't think he deserved the win.

DeGale looked bad and that's me being generous...the judges scored the DeGale-Wilczewski fight by the following scored 114-114, 115-113 and 115-113...I had it 114-114.

As much as I tried to see DeGale winning the fight, I could only give him rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 and 12...I had Wilczewski winning rounds 3 to 6, 10 and 11.

DeGale started the fight well but then started to get caught with right hands by the Pole at will and was out on his feet in the 4th round I think?

Worried about his chin if he is getting hurt by a not known big puncher...especially on world level...the likes of Froch and Kessler would eat him if they fought now.

DeGale is good when he's inside but he’s just not busy enough during crucial rounds and this will hurt him when he faces better opposition than the limited Wilczewski.

Can see Groves destroying him in the rematch.

Had it close, thought Degale did just enough but not by much.

He's given me alot of pleasure over the last few months. Firstly loses to Groves and has now struggled past a guy who is distinctly average. As a result he can't run his mouth, and if he does he looks a bigger muppet than usual.

Warren won't let him near Groves for a while, if he loses the rematch then his career is pretty much finished before he wins the obligatory Warren belt, sorry i meant WBO

If you gave 6 rounds to DeGale and 4 to Pete the Pole how did you have it all square?

I though DeGale did alrght but I think he is being hurried along to fast. They seem to be desperate for the Groves rematch but that isn't a great idea Goves could just have his number and another loss to Groves would be very damaging.

Sorry I meant to add I had DeGale winning it by 2 rounds the same as the judges.

prettyboykev wrote:If you gave 6 rounds to DeGale and 4 to Pete the Pole how did you have it all square?

I though DeGale did alrght but I think he is being hurried along to fast. They seem to be desperate for the Groves rematch but that isn't a great idea Goves could just have his number and another loss to Groves would be very damaging.

I said 3 to 6 which means the 4th and 5th round...Think the longer they wait the worse it will be as Groves has more potential in my eyes.

I don't know what to make of him, is the truth. He is only a 12-fight pro, but he is in his middle to late 20s after a long amateur career. There are therefore a lot of habits to be shaken off if he wants to reach the very top. As others have said on another thread, he did at least appear to have learned from the Groves fight that single shots need to be followed up, but it was intensely worrying how easily he seemed to be reached by the Pole's clubbing, but surely telegraphed, right hands. I felt the bout was a "draw in DeGale's favour", meaning that I don't think that he lost it, but he was miles from a convincing victor, and a draw would not have been either surprising or unjust.

This insane desire to chase baubles like the EBU strap means that DeGale is going to have to run after fights for which he may not yet be ready. I would have liked to see him learning the game, which he still so obviously needs to do, building up in standard and showing that he has developed a fully rounded game. At this stage, it's very difficult to see him holding his own in, say, two years, against the cream of the division. It is possible that a new trainer may be the answer - perhaps McDonnell has done as much with JD as he can. In any case, the last thing that DeGale needs is a rematch against Groves, against whom he will always have a close one, I reckon. Learning new tricks against an old dog like Magee may be the way to go next. There is much to improve, and not that much time in which to do it.

captain carrantuohil wrote:I don't know what to make of him, is the truth. He is only a 12-fight pro, but he is in his middle to late 20s after a long amateur career. There are therefore a lot of habits to be shaken off if he wants to reach the very top. As others have said on another thread, he did at least appear to have learned from the Groves fight that single shots need to be followed up, but it was intensely worrying how easily he seemed to be reached by the Pole's clubbing, but surely telegraphed, right hands. I felt the bout was a "draw in DeGale's favour", meaning that I don't think that he lost it, but he was miles from a convincing victor, and a draw would not have been either surprising or unjust.

This insane desire to chase baubles like the EBU strap means that DeGale is going to have to run after fights for which he may not yet be ready. I would have liked to see him learning the game, which he still so obviously needs to do, building up in standard and showing that he has developed a fully rounded game. At this stage, it's very difficult to see him holding his own in, say, two years, against the cream of the division. It is possible that a new trainer may be the answer - perhaps McDonnell has done as much with JD as he can. In any case, the last thing that DeGale needs is a rematch against Groves, against whom he will always have a close one, I reckon. Learning new tricks against an old dog like Magee may be the way to go next. There is much to improve, and not that much time in which to do it.

https://www.606v2.com/t15796-nobody-giving-wilczewski-a-chance

You did call it right before the fight captain...Myself and everyone else thought this would be routine win for DeGale although I never saw Wilczewski box before.

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prettyboykev wrote:If you gave 6 rounds to DeGale and 4 to Pete the Pole how did you have it all square?

I though DeGale did alrght but I think he is being hurried along to fast. They seem to be desperate for the Groves rematch but that isn't a great idea Goves could just have his number and another loss to Groves would be very damaging.

I said 3 to 6 which means the 4th and 5th round...Think the longer they wait the worse it will be as Groves has more potential in my eyes.

Sorry mate I misread you. I still think DeGale will go further in his career as long as Fwank doeshn't rush him along which seems to be happening.

He's rushing himself on. He wants a world title shot in one of the toughest divisions out there in 15, maybe 16 fights?? It's not even like he's developing, it's the same thing over and over, slappy hooks with the inside of the gloves and getting out-thought. The bloke is stupid and heaping pressure on himself.

If he somehow manages a world title shot it'll be against some bum witha meaningless strap.

The Pole give it a good go fair play to him, but like too many European champs these days was just a slightly above average journeyman, he should have been an easy nights work for anyone with claims of being world class, Wilczewski's last venture against a half decent fighter was against Curtis Stevens and he got knocked down a couple of times and KOed in 3 very one sided rounds.

I assume Degale will be offering Wilczewski a rematch given how close the scorecards were. It seems only fair after how he sulked after the Groves fight. The horse-faced goon.

I think its abundantly clear he is not world level fighter...and doesnt posess the ability to be one.

Any oppostion with something about him he labours/struggles with.

And lets be clear about groves, he aint exactly the new sugar ray robinson. Potentially a future world fighter but with question marks over his head at the same time.

How did De Gale earn this shot?? Surely there are more deserving fighters?

cave_man_KO wrote:I think its abundantly clear he is not world level fighter...and doesnt posess the ability to be one.

Any oppostion with something about him he labours/struggles with.

And lets be clear about groves, he aint exactly the new sugar ray robinson. Potentially a future world fighter but with question marks over his head at the same time.

How did De Gale earn this shot?? Surely there are more deserving fighters?

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I think Degale did ok, no he wasn't great, but he took some good shots and was in with a guy, who was never going to be easy, after what must have been a hard to take loss.

He won, looked good in parts, but still has a lot to learn.

Not time for World level yet, he would get sparked, think he would beat Groves next time though (officially)

Degale's major problem for me is that he spends long periods of his fights just attempting to look flashy and photogenic.

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J.Benson II wrote:Degale's major problem for me is that he spends long periods of his fights just attempting to look flashy and photogenic.

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With his Equine looking boat race he probably loves a photo finish.

The main problem I see for De Gale is he can't throw a straight punch, it's as though he has an explicit case of tendonitis, I remember after he struck gold he was shadow boxing for the sky sports cameras and it looked as though he was Douglas Jardine throwing a cricket ball from the boundary.

Doesn't carry enough pop on the inside to mix it with the top level boys, without a straight punch can't see De Gale having extended period with the big boys.

When there is any footage of Jardine throwing a ball from the boundary then we'll make the comparison....

or are you going to lie about that too..and say you have????

A proven liar because I misconstrued what you said and apologised.

you need to grow up squire and stop playing silly beggars,

Lies about me saying Louis is crude...Lies about seeing Jardine throwing cricket balls..

I know you've only been on here 5 minutes..but you'll have to admit it ain't a good start kiddo!!!!

PBF...Scored it 7-5ish but the sad thing is If the pole had worked harder I think he could have took the fight and I don't think he was much above clubfighter level...

Shocking the way the pole could find him..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lies about me saying Louis is crude...Lies about seeing Jardine throwing cricket balls..

I know you've only been on here 5 minutes..but you'll have to admit it ain't a good start kiddo!!!!

Good job I'm not here to impress a fella who uses smiley faces and the word dumbass.

Never mind son, puberty will start soon.

have a very pleasant evening.

I've moved on Mate..

Its funny how some criticize a guy who has been Olympic champion, and then British and European champ in his first 12 pro fights....

He was unlucky to lose against Groves and although last fight was not classy... he was up against a very experienced hard hitting and durable fighter who was European champ and had been offered loads of money by Polish TV... (or something like that)

I had Degale winning by two rounds and always looked the better fighter apart from when he got sloppy and got caught.

He has now proven that he has a good chin and is tough and durable.

To take such a tricky fight after a moral damaging unlucky defeat to Groves deserves allot of respect as if he had lost it, it would have been a big set back for him.

The bottom line, people can say about him what they like, but he has only had 12 fights and is Euro champ..

I think they may risk rushing him too quickly though, they should let him defend the title a few times and build up his experience a bit more before going for a world shot... But I think he will get there.

people expect him to look like a world beater after 12 fights.
how was khan looking when nearly sparked by limond for the commonwealth? looks pretty good now though doesnt he? wait until degale has had a few more fights until we start screaming he will never amount to anything.

AlexHuckerby wrote:people expect him to look like a world beater after 12 fights.
how was khan looking when nearly sparked by limond for the commonwealth? looks pretty good now though doesnt he? wait until degale has had a few more fights until we start screaming he will never amount to anything.

Great point mate people seem to forget about that lets not forget he was also absoltely destroyed in 1 round by Prescott and people were saying he would be another Audley Harrison that he was rubbish. Now look at him he is a world champ maybe fighting Mayweather soon and has one of the best trainers of all time.

DeGale has done very well to win British and Euro titles in just twelve points his only loss was very close to another good prospect one of them had to lose does not mean they should be written off. In the old times lots of fighters would lose early in their career did not mean that they would not be ood later. DeGale has lots of talent he is not the finished article he is still learning lets not forget.

tunes666 wrote:Its funny how some criticize a guy who has been Olympic champion, and then British and European champ in his first 12 pro fights....

He was unlucky to lose against Groves and although last fight was not classy... he was up against a very experienced hard hitting and durable fighter who was European champ and had been offered loads of money by Polish TV... (or something like that)

I had Degale winning by two rounds and always looked the better fighter apart from when he got sloppy and got caught.

He has now proven that he has a good chin and is tough and durable.

To take such a tricky fight after a moral damaging unlucky defeat to Groves deserves allot of respect as if he had lost it, it would have been a big set back for him.

The bottom line, people can say about him what they like, but he has only had 12 fights and is Euro champ..

I think they may risk rushing him too quickly though, they should let him defend the title a few times and build up his experience a bit more before going for a world shot... But I think he will get there.

It's about attititude though Tunes, if he didn't act and talk like he was the second coming of Christ people would warm to him a lot more and appreciate what are, in fairness, his substantial achievements as a 12 fight pro. And he wasn't 'unlucky' against Groves, Groves fought a better fight and DeGale failed to adapt or show any invention, instead looking like a one-trick pony who failed to land anything significant on a guy who'd recently almost lost a scrap to Anderson who's hardly top-level. The scoring was close, I had Groves by a point from memory, but this doesn't mean DeGale was 'unlucky', that's just a crass naive interpretation of close scorecards.