craig joubert

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As a neutral can I say thank you for ruining the RWC Final. Your inability to referee the breakdown, offer any degree of consistency, notice high tackles and allow competition at the scrum meant two attacking sides intent on running the ball were reduced to kicking and playing so much of the game in the centre of the pitch.

May you never be allowed near a final again.

I don't begrudge them that actually.

Cheat no, spoiled game, yes.

This wasn't some mid pool game - this was the show case of rugby to the world.

He choked where Rolland didn't. This makes me even more mad about Red Rolland.

I tend to agree with you Slarti...I defended Rolland last week because he did the right thing when other refs weren't. Now we get a ref today who tainted a final by his actions...

Well I am going to watch the game now, it is going to be on Supersport, so will report it as I see it.

Awesome Haka, Brad Thorn looks intense.

I missed the Nigel Owens flag - odd that one.

Anyway, I know I've listed this before, but did anyone notice barns penalising Toby f and p James for nothing on Friday? Bordering on the weird.

Craig Joubert bottled it today. Intimidated by the large home crowd, France should and would have won if the ref was not biased. Being English it's hard to say this, but I believe Wales are the best team in the world. They would have smashed France with 15 men - but it was a red card - and today they would have peed on the All Blacks. You could see the pressure on NZ, they clammed up totally. So the status of World Rugby (IMO) is:

1) Wales
2) NZ
3) Australia
4) France
5) SA/England

Duty are you drunk? Did you see how bad hook and Phillips were?

[quote="Duty281"]Craig Joubert bottled it today. Intimidated by the large home crowd, France should and would have won if the ref was not biased. Being English it's hard to say this, but I believe Wales are the best team in the world. They would have smashed France with 15 men - but it was a red card - and today they would have peed on the All Blacks. You could see the pressure on NZ, they clammed up totally. So the status of World Rugby (IMO) is:

[b]
1) Wales
2) NZ
3) Australia
4) France
5) SA/England[/b][/quote]

Something I'd like to see in 4 years time.

Sadly disappointed by the ref , if Joubert had only dealt with the NZ high tackling and stopped that happening in the final and one of those 3 [i]refs [/i]had noticed and then penalised Mccaws 'accidental ' hit on Parra I wouldn't feel so aggrieved about this game.

The IRB need to sort out their failings and get the effing bad reffing sorted out asap.

Craig Joubert is the BEST REFEREE IN THE WORLD......

Come on good or bad ref, players must learn to make their own luck.
Go in with the attitude that the ref ain't going to help you in anyway so play to your top standard make few mistakes and you must take your chances when they come whether it be a try or penalty kick.

Rugby is a simple game ,take your chances and play hard.

Duty281 wrote:Craig Joubert bottled it today. Intimidated by the large home crowd, France should and would have won if the ref was not biased. Being English it's hard to say this, but I believe Wales are the best team in the world. They would have smashed France with 15 men - but it was a red card - and today they would have peed on the All Blacks. You could see the pressure on NZ, they clammed up totally. So the status of World Rugby (IMO) is:

1) Wales
2) NZ
3) Australia
4) France
5) SA/England

This must be a wum, or you have a one eyed view of the world,

Wales deserve to be about 5th or 6th

biltongbek wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Craig Joubert bottled it today. Intimidated by the large home crowd, France should and would have won if the ref was not biased. Being English it's hard to say this, but I believe Wales are the best team in the world. They would have smashed France with 15 men - but it was a red card - and today they would have peed on the All Blacks. You could see the pressure on NZ, they clammed up totally. So the status of World Rugby (IMO) is:

1) Wales
2) NZ
3) Australia
4) France
5) SA/England

This must be a wum, or you have a one eyed view of the world,

As an England fan, are you saying that SA and England are not currently about equal in terms of ability

Imagine you were NZ posters complaining about Joubert because they had lost the RWC. You would get the same sympathy as you gave in 2007.

If France were robbed, were SA robbed, were Wales robbed? If so, hand out your own medals accordingly...

Duty281 wrote:Craig Joubert bottled it today. Intimidated by the large home crowd, France should and would have won if the ref was not biased. Being English it's hard to say this, but I believe Wales are the best team in the world. They would have smashed France with 15 men - but it was a red card - and today they would have peed on the All Blacks. You could see the pressure on NZ, they clammed up totally. So the status of World Rugby (IMO) is:

1) Wales
2) NZ
3) Australia
4) France
5) SA/England

SA recently beat Wales, yet Wales are number 1 and SA are 5... hmm

Fantasticbarnsmell wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Craig Joubert bottled it today. Intimidated by the large home crowd, France should and would have won if the ref was not biased. Being English it's hard to say this, but I believe Wales are the best team in the world. They would have smashed France with 15 men - but it was a red card - and today they would have peed on the All Blacks. You could see the pressure on NZ, they clammed up totally. So the status of World Rugby (IMO) is:

1) Wales
2) NZ
3) Australia
4) France
5) SA/England

SA recently beat Wales, yet Wales are number 1 and SA are 5... hmm

Nah, mate we are simply just $h1t, couldn't even beat the 16 Bruces either.

Duty281 wrote:Craig Joubert bottled it today. Intimidated by the large home crowd, France should and would have won if the ref was not biased. Being English it's hard to say this, but I believe Wales are the best team in the world. They would have smashed France with 15 men - but it was a red card - and today they would have peed on the All Blacks.

Sorry to be French.

Our French team was not so nice during the worldcup, we know that.

Despite this matter, we have lost the cup coz the referee wasn't not just in the game.

All referees can do some mistakes during a game, that the human factor, and a quick action, it is sometimes difficult to take the right decision.

Anyway, Mr Joubert took all decisions in favor of NZ team.

If you look well, during ruck, some NZ players came from side to plau without any penalities for France and all decisions taken were on the same way.

Each decisions taken were against Freanch Team, I like NZ Rugby team, I hace a shirt of NZ team and no one of French team....but this final was so unfair. I can undertsand one or even many bad decisions but the referee in this finale was the 16 man of NZ team.
French team have played more better than NZ team, never mind, Walsh have played much better than French one week before...sport is sometimes unfair, but a referee took so many bad decisions, or no decisions, it is possible to think that he was playing also against French team.

Be sure, that if French team has lost against a better team, I will say nothing about, but for this finale, I have a very bad feeling about the referee.

Anyway, I am happy for NZ team, just the better team during this worldcup was ( for me ) SA team.

It was Ritchie McCaw doing what he does best, cheating, and getting away with it

French knew that refereeing would be against them. They knew they had to be that much better than the AB, that it won't bother them. They failed, they lost. Sad but true (and I am french).

Sorry to be French.

Why?

You have a wonderful country, fantastic cuisine, a great climate and a Rugby team that drives everyone to admire and despair.

Many of us agree that Joubert - usually one of the best refs - let the occasion affect his judgement. I certainly do not think he favoured NZ on purpose.

I am very sorry for the French team and supporters, who I think deserved to win that game. I can only say how much many of us north of La Manche appreciate French Rugby and the fun you bring every year to the 6 Nations.

Vive La France!

[quote="Cowshot"]

I can only say how much many of us north of La Manche appreciate French Rugby and the fun you bring every year to the 6 Nations.

Vive La France!

Je suis tout a fait d'accord.

et moi aussi.

Joubert was weak not bent.

Just to add to the issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACy2AAG5xuU

Yes, the kick did not even go over

Shame, as I think NZ were the best team of the tournament, but not the final.

Think the ref was affected by the pressure and all the booing whenever a decision went against the All Blacks

Riskysports wrote:Just to add to the issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACy2AAG5xuU

Yes, the kick did not even go over

Shame, as I think NZ were the best team of the tournament, but not the final.

Think the ref was affected by the pressure and all the booing whenever a decision went against the All Blacks

you are actually believing that?

What do you think the seven Frenchmen in close proximity to the goal posts, were doing, texting on their blackberrys?

biltongbek wrote:

Riskysports wrote:Just to add to the issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACy2AAG5xuU

Yes, the kick did not even go over

Shame, as I think NZ were the best team of the tournament, but not the final.

Think the ref was affected by the pressure and all the booing whenever a decision went against the All Blacks

you are actually believing that?

What do you think the seven Frenchmen in close proximity to the goal posts, were doing, texting on their blackberrys?

BLACKBERRIES? So unpatriotic on this circunstances.
Only thing to say is the match is over, and we lost it.

Sorry to all you Welsh folk by being a party pooper, but in the Times today it appears that Wales have actually gone down in the rankings from 7th to 8th, so all these fairytales of being number one, numero uno, are merely a figment of some very fevered imaginations.

Still England are up to 4th!!

The natural order is restored !!

English Warrior, what does that have to do with Craig Joubert?

Here is analysis of the ref decision from a Kiwi - highlights all the wrong decisions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1XBqetaCfgo

Damming proof - where is The Grey Ghost now

A genuine question - is it not possible for a referee to have a shoite game without him actually guilty of fraud and intentionally cheating a team out of victory

I don't think he necessarily cheated the French out of a victory as the defence for the NZ try was woeful and there were other chances in open play for them to score etc. However, what was so very disapointing was how inconsistent he was, a ref doesn't have to make the right call all of the time but he should always be consistent. Joubert wasn't and changed the goal posts for ruck entry, rolling away and releasing the ball every 5 minutes and that isn't what you want to see from an international standard ref.

He looked lost at the scrum but the two linesmen selected would have done little better in that regard. My biggest frustration was that he allowed players off of their feet, from both teams, to flop over the ball and slow down play. The teams were going at it hammer and tongs and a faster tempo would have given us the greatest ever final, Joubert robbed us of that.

Sam, two things. Firstly I agree that Joubert was inconsistent and it wasn't acceptbale. Secondly I thought it was an amazing final regardless for the neutral. A single point victory in what I had expected to be a landslide.

because some people seem to think that Joubert wasnt that bad please watch this video. It gives just some examples of how Joubert refereed both teams differently. It was obvious to me watching the game that for whatever reason he seemed hell bent on helping NZ and I thougt it was a disgrace in a world cup final. Hope he doesnt ref a final again.

https://youtu.be/1XBqetaCfgo

Yes the home team often gets the rub of the green but Joubert in my opinion took the p.

Riskysports wrote:Here is analysis of the ref decision from a Kiwi - highlights all the wrong decisions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1XBqetaCfgo

Damming proof - where is The Grey Ghost now

Sorry you just got there before me and I posted the same link. Williams is of course an Aussie though.

Do you mean a World Cup final or any final?

I don't think anyone is claiming that he did ok. What I am criticising is the witch hunt that goes ahead after a poor display - Owens, Rolland, Lawrence, Barnes, Joubert etc.

Oops, sorry to any NZ or Ozzie I offend calling a him a NZ

Riskysports wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1XBqetaCfgo

It's the Kaino one at 1.30 in this video (with only 5 mins to go and in a simple kicking position) that really hammers home the fact that Joubert bottled it. I remember being livid for France at the time and I began the match more or less as a neutral. Joubert knows exactly what happens at this moment (as he awards a knock-on!) and yet does ANYONE truly believe that he wouldn't have blown for a penalty for NZ had the scores and field positions been reversed?

red_stag wrote:Do you mean a World Cup final or any final?

I don't think anyone is claiming that he did ok. What I am criticising is the witch hunt that goes ahead after a poor display - Owens, Rolland, Lawrence, Barnes, Joubert etc.

No not any final. Look I know what you are getting at he is a good ref but in my opinion he ruined Frances chances. For me they were the better team. It was almost inevitable that Joubert would give NZ the rub of the green. There are lots of factors:

NZ at home.
NZRU pressure on the IRB over advertising, talk of 2015 bouycot.
The world press all seemed anti france.
NZ winning the world cup seemed the most popular outcome all round the world. We keep hearing comments like it is good for the game etc.
Paddy O'Brien's influence, rule changes,
McCaws ability to con refs. He was in from the side all day long, playing the ball off his feet etc. The usual.
Christchurch earthquake and what it would mean to the people.

In reality one can only speculate why Joubert was biased perhaps it was sub conscious but he was biased and it is a pity because I think France deserved it more and I for one think it would have made for a better story. Afterall it was their third final and they remain the greatest team never to have won the WC and have provided some of the greatest games ever at world cups.

Shocking reffing but being Irish im happy France got robbed and I was happy to see that little s h i t Parra crying on the touchline after he got smashed trying to tackle Nonu.

You can except the odd wrong call, but it was at basically every breakdown, coming in at the side, holding on, lying on top of the tackled player etc.

Not singling NZ out here, cos loads of teams do it, and hopefuly this will lead to a clarity in the applying of the laws at breakdown

dublfcynwa wrote:Shocking reffing but being Irish im happy France got robbed and I was happy to see that little s h i t Parra crying on the touchline after he got smashed trying to tackle Nonu.

Classy thing to say! But I think you will find he was on the touch line after getting kneed in the head by McCaw!

leinsterbaby wrote: It was almost inevitable that Joubert would give NZ the rub of the green. There are lots of factors:

NZ at home.
NZRU pressure on the IRB over advertising, talk of 2015 bouycot.
The world press all seemed anti france.
NZ winning the world cup seemed the most popular outcome all round the world. We keep hearing comments like it is good for the game etc.
Paddy O'Brien's influence, rule changes,
McCaws ability to con refs. He was in from the side all day long, playing the ball off his feet etc. The usual.
Christchurch earthquake and what it would mean to the people.

By this logic the only ref who would have done an ok job was a French ref. Would you say it was a set of circumstances that would have affected any ref

JDandfries wrote:

dublfcynwa wrote:Shocking reffing but being Irish im happy France got robbed and I was happy to see that little s h i t Parra crying on the touchline after he got smashed trying to tackle Nonu.

Classy thing to say! But I think you will find he was on the touch line after getting kneed in the head by McCaw!

Thank's. Well whatever Richie did knee him in the head but it's up for debate how he actually got the injury but who care's he got his karma anyway. Did'nt look very hard when he was crying on the sideline

Cowshot wrote:

Sorry to be French.

Why?

You have a wonderful country, fantastic cuisine, a great climate and a Rugby team that drives everyone to admire and despair.

Many of us agree that Joubert - usually one of the best refs - let the occasion affect his judgement. I certainly do not think he favoured NZ on purpose.

I am very sorry for the French team and supporters, who I think deserved to win that game. I can only say how much many of us north of La Manche appreciate French Rugby and the fun you bring every year to the 6 Nations.

Vive La France!

Thanks for your kind message, but when you are French, most of the times, you think that people dislike French, and sometimes I can understand because french attitude is "a little bit too much pretentious".

In that way, Australians and New Zealands ppl are much nicers than French. But it doesn't means that all French are unfriendly. Just the feelings that English-Saxon world dislikes French, and that the feeling for this finale worldcup.

Ok, our team was not a Great team , but in finale they have played better than New Zealand team. It can success to lose even if you play better...sport is sport, it doesn't matter. But if you are French, you can think that tehe result of this finale is going in the way on English-Saxon World.

Anyway, it doesn't change my life if France wins or loses....

red_stag wrote:

leinsterbaby wrote: It was almost inevitable that Joubert would give NZ the rub of the green. There are lots of factors:

NZ at home.
NZRU pressure on the IRB over advertising, talk of 2015 bouycot.
The world press all seemed anti france.
NZ winning the world cup seemed the most popular outcome all round the world. We keep hearing comments like it is good for the game etc.
Paddy O'Brien's influence, rule changes,
McCaws ability to con refs. He was in from the side all day long, playing the ball off his feet etc. The usual.
Christchurch earthquake and what it would mean to the people.

By this logic the only ref who would have done an ok job was a French ref. Would you say it was a set of circumstances that would have affected any ref

No obviously not they would be biased toward France. Also you can only speculate as to what was going on in Joubert's head and the reasons why he appeared to be so biased and you cant really be sure how other refs would perform. The decision to give Joubert the final was correct as he was the best ref leading up to the final. However, the occasion got to him and he was terrible.

I guess it is not unprecedented for the host team team to be given an easier ride. Australia '03, SA in '95 (certainly v France in semis and v NZ in the final to a lesser extent) then this years final. IRB should address this but of course its all conspiracy isnt it?

leinsterbaby wrote:The decision to give Joubert the final was correct as he was the best ref leading up to the final. However, the occasion got to him and he was terrible.

I think this sums up things very nicely. I agree.

dublfcynwa wrote:

JDandfries wrote:

dublfcynwa wrote:Shocking reffing but being Irish im happy France got robbed and I was happy to see that little s h i t Parra crying on the touchline after he got smashed trying to tackle Nonu.

Classy thing to say! But I think you will find he was on the touch line after getting kneed in the head by McCaw!

Thank's. Well whatever Richie did knee him in the head but it's up for debate how he actually got the injury but who care's he got his karma anyway. Did'nt look very hard when he was crying on the sideline

What are you talking about, you sound very bitter?

This isn't the football forum!!

Just to add my (tardy) two pennies worth.... Joubert had a shocker. Defenders not realeasing/rolling away, defenders on the floor on the wrong side, side entry, interfering with SH. Not to mention the high tackles and scrum officiating!

JDandfries wrote:

dublfcynwa wrote:

JDandfries wrote:

dublfcynwa wrote:Shocking reffing but being Irish im happy France got robbed and I was happy to see that little s h i t Parra crying on the touchline after he got smashed trying to tackle Nonu.

Classy thing to say! But I think you will find he was on the touch line after getting kneed in the head by McCaw!

Thank's. Well whatever Richie did knee him in the head but it's up for debate how he actually got the injury but who care's he got his karma anyway. Did'nt look very hard when he was crying on the sideline

What are you talking about, you sound very bitter?

This isn't the football forum!!

"This is'nt the football forum!!" No s h i t Sherlock Holmes how did ye work that one out?

I am bitter toward's him because he made some sad comment's about Ireland a while ago and I hate him.

Jeez Dub grow a pair, build a bridge and get over it.