Nole 0-6 Rafa 0-6

Even the best get bageled!

I will watch with interest to compare how the Number 1 and 2 players bageled sets are interpreted.

Nadal was semi injured, Nole was semi injured, sorted.

Hmmm a loss is a loss, doesn't matter 6-0 or 7-6, the only thing is how the opponent reacts to the win, does he take confidence from this match to beat more top players in the future? thats all it matters.

Fed has been bageled only once in the last 11 years!

Are you sure Fedex? that would be pretty good considering it happened in 2008 when he was not 100%.

And throwing everything into attack on clay against Nadal.

It's a valid point, I can't remember the last time Federer got bagelled. Part of it is probably the fact he's got a much better serve than both Rafa and Djokovic, so even when his game is off he's less likely to get bagelled. Still impressive though!

Just to complete the discussion, the last time Murray was bagelled (I think) was RG 2010 where he lost the third set 6-0 to Baghdatis in a four sets win. He also lost a set 6-0 to Monfils sometime in 2009 I think (in a three setter he won). Oddly I can't remember him being bagelled in matches he lost, though someone could correct me...

Mad for Chelsea wrote:It's a valid point, I can't remember the last time Federer got bagelled. Part of it is probably the fact he's got a much better serve than both Rafa and Djokovic, so even when his game is off he's less likely to get bagelled. Still impressive though!

Just to complete the discussion, the last time Murray was bagelled (I think) was RG 2010 where he lost the third set 6-0 to Baghdatis in a four sets win. He also lost a set 6-0 to Monfils sometime in 2009 I think (in a three setter he won). Oddly I can't remember him being bagelled in matches he lost, though someone could correct me...

The 2008 final of the true Grand Slam, at the hands of Rafael Nadal. T'was a disappointing performance from the man, but he was completely outclassed by a man on form.

Sadly, Nadal has since whored himself out to the little tournaments and has paid the price this year in losing 2 out of the 4 main tournaments on the calendar - to his credit he did still manage to win Roland Garros and Monte Carlo, but if he persists in playing in pointless tournaments he will surely surrender those two as well as Madrid and Rome.

Fedex_the_best wrote:Fed has been bageled only once in the last 11 years!

Technically you are correct, but career-wise a bit more....

In reverse chronological order...

RG 2008 - Nadal bt. Federer 1-6, 3-6, 0-6 (3+ years ago)

(all in 1999 - 12+ years ago)

Queens 1999 - Byron Black bt. Federer 3-6, 0-6
RG 1999 - Rafter bt. Federer 7-5, 3-6, 0-6, 2-6
MC 1999 - Spadea bt. Federer 6-7(3), 0-6

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Roger-Federer.aspx?t=pa&y=0&m=s&e=0#

Tenez wrote:Are you sure Fedex? that would be pretty good considering it happened in 2008 when he was not 100%.

Yes - I see LF has replied but since the turn of the century, he has only lost one set 6-0!

For the sake of completeness....

Djokovic(*)...

ATP (W/L 4-2)

Basel 2011 Kei Nishikori L 6-2, 6-7(5), 0-6
IW 2010 Mardy Fish (USA) 106 W 6-1, 0-6, 6-2
TMC 2008 Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) W 7-6(3), 0-6, 7-5
Estoril 2007 Richard Gasquet (FRA) W 7-6(7), 0-6, 6-1
USO 2005 Gael Monfils (FRA) W 7-5, 4-6, 7-6(5),0-6, 7-5
AO 2005 Marat Safin (RUS) L 0-6, 2-6, 1-6

*Despite the six bagels so far, Djokovic has won 4 for these matches and lost just 2.

Challenger...
Francisco Costa (BRA) W 6-3, 0-6, 6-2


Nadal (W/L 2-9)

Tokyo 2011 Andy Murray (GBR) L 6-3, 2-6, 0-6
Doha 2011 Lukas Lacko (SVK) W 7-6(3), 0-6, 6-3
Rotterdam 2009 Andy Murray (GBR) L 3-6, 6-4, 0-6
Chennai 2007 Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) L 0-6, 1-6
Paris 2007 David Nalbandian (ARG) L 4-6, 0-6
Hamburg 2007 Roger Federer (SUI) L 6-2, 2-6, 0-6
W 2006 Roger Federer (SUI) L 0-6, 6-7(5), 7-6(2), 3-6
MC 2005 Guillermo Coria (ARG) W 6-3, 6-1, 0-6, 7-5
Buenos Aires 2005 Gaston Gaudio (ARG) L 6-0, 0-6, 1-6
Lyon 2004 Julien Benneteau (FRA) L 3-6, 0-6
USO 2004 Andy Roddick (USA) L 0-6, 3-6, 4-6


Murray (W/L 3-7) ...

Toronto 2010 Gael Monfils (FRA) W 6-2, 0-6, 6-3
RG 2010 Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) W 6-2, 6-3, 0-6, 6-2
RG 2009 Fernando Gonzalez (CHI) L 3-6, 6-3, 0-6, 4-6
Toronto 2008 Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI) W 6-2, 0-6, 6-4
MC 2008 Novak Djokovic (SRB) L 0-6, 4-6
Miami 2007 Novak Djokovic (SRB) L 1-6, 0-6
Paris 2006 Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) L 6-7(6), 0-6
USO 2006 Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) L 1-6, 7-5, 3-6, 0-6
USO 2005 Arnaud Clement (FRA) L 2-6, 6-7(2), 6-2, 7-6(4), 0-6
W 2005 David Nalbandian (ARG) L 7-6(4), 6-1, 0-6, 4-6, 1-6


Futures...

Stephane Bohli (SUI) 642 W 7-5, 0-6, 6-4
Jan Masik (CZE) 403 L 0-6, 0-6

On a similar subject (of double bagels...)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73370289

You are good LF:)

Fedex_the_best wrote:You are good LF

Thank you Fedex.

You are very good actually.

I think everyone is thinking it, but who is Dominik Hrbaty? And how dare he bagel Murray!!

TSC wrote:You are very good actually.

I think everyone is thinking it, but who is Dominik Hrbaty? And how dare he bagel Murray!!

Hrbaty is the layer with a positive H2H v Federer, Nadal and Murray if I remember correctly.

You won't find many like him.

isn't Hrbaty in fact the only player to have a positive H2H against Nadal and Federer? They certainly can't be too many. Very talented player from what I remember but his career was always blighted by injuries...

TSC wrote:You are very good actually.

I think everyone is thinking it, but who is Dominik Hrbaty? And how dare he bagel Murray!!

Hrbaty's h2h against the two current GOATs (Federer and Nadal) is mentioned everywhere in such debates.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Hr/D/Dominik-Hrbaty.aspx
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Hr/D/Dominik-Hrbaty.aspx?t=tf

A good resume. He also used to play doubles with Federer, amongst others. He played the SF of RG in 1999 and lost to the eventual champion, Agassi, in four sets.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=H377&oId=F324
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=H377&oId=N409

Nice fun to watch -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRyv_zdNEJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2AsHH7_L6o

Tenez wrote:

TSC wrote:You are very good actually.

I think everyone is thinking it, but who is Dominik Hrbaty? And how dare he bagel Murray!!

Hrbaty is the layer with a positive H2H v Federer, Nadal and Murray if I remember correctly.

You won't find many like him.

Had forgotten about the Murray h2h. - http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=H377&oId=MC10

Oh that's funny. He'll never lose that head to head record because the chances are, they'll never play each other again.

Good resume, that is true. Well done