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AP Round 10
by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 27 Nov 2011, 8:33 pm
First topic message reminder :
Team Sheets and tactics due by COB Thur
Predictions open Fri. Results due Sun/Mon
Exeter Chiefs v Worcester Warriors
Sunny, 9 Degrees, 15mph Winds
Exeter Chiefs
Manager – Driver
16.Neil Clark 17.Salvator Perugini 18.Dave Wilson 19.James Hudson 20.Declan Danahar 21.Haydn Thomas 22.Colin Slade 23.Adam Thompstone
Tactics
- Play the percentages and use the boot of ROG to put them under the cosh in there own 22 and using a big physical forward pack to really take them on and disrupt any ball.
- Use our big midfield to bash our way up the middle and pull defenders in to create gaps for Toeava , Fitzgerald and Byrne to pick there lines off.
- Phipps and ROG will mainly look to play the percentages but will keep an eye open for any overlaps half gaps our numbers outwide , changing our game plan.
- Our front 5 is packed with ball carrying forwards who will look to run hard at the fringes and tie the defenders up.
- At the breakdown we will target the ball carrier either holding him up in the choke tackle as we have the pack to stop any maul or double tapping the attacker with Jennings/Moody being allowed a stab at the ball
- We will look to scrum and keep the scrum up and John Smit will let the referee know this. On the opposition ball we will focus on a 8 man shove and take the opposition on with Phipps looking to really get stuck into there 8 and 9.
- We will look to move the ball in attack when it is kicked to us to attack any dog legs with our attack minded back 3.
- Blitz defense and really get up into the opposition faces and cut down there thinking time with Phipps sweeping behind for any kicks through.
Key Points
* Use Skirving to pressure the Worcester Lineout and really target the ball on the Worcester throw.
* Disipline will be key , Test Cowens by letting Phipps share some 'freindly' banter about his passing at the scrum
* Steyn must be feeling the pressure , The Bulls are bring Houghard back to play 10 can't have that much faith in him
Worcester Warriors
Manager – prop_lyd
16.Chris Fortey 17.Sylvain Marconnet 18.Yann Thomas 19.Danie Russouw 20.Kearnen Myall 21.Dwayne Peel 22.Sam Vesty 23.Greig Tonks
Tactics
Forwards
We have selected a strong pack who will be able to hold any shunt and hopefully look to steal more ball. In the lineouts we have strong jumpers and will look for quick ball to release our backs. Looking a tour back row we can get alot of turnover ball with Newby and Higginbotham snaffling at the ruck and aiming to be the 2nd player into a ruck to go over the ball and either slow it down or looking for turnover ball. Morgan has been playing tremendously in the past few matches and; with Hamilton will look to carry the ball up in midfield to suck in defenders and look for the quick offload.
Backs
We have selected a backline ready for the winter. Steyn will kick for territory making sure it's away from the Exeter back 3 and either reaches touch or gives our chasing pack time to put pressure on Exeter in their own half. Lamont is going to be our battering ram who will take crashball up and release our quick back 3 who have good try-scoring and line breaking records. Cowan will look for quick ball and when it's turnover ball we will look to Lamont to hit it up and then to Steyn to pin them back. We haven't been a try scoring team this season and this will not change much today with Steyn going for every penalty that is in his range and also looking for some cheeky drop goals. If the overlap is there we will take the try but we see winning as more important even if it is with ugly rugby.
Defence
Lead by Lamont and rushing up flat. We will put players on Steyn and Lamont's shoulders to look to steal or slow down their ball and prevent the ball getting to their backs. Cowan will sweep behind with Morgan standing deep to stop ROG's positional play.
Overall
*We have had enough of being called an improving team and want to win and stamp our mark,
*Forwards to slow down as much of their ball and look to take it up 2 phases to suck in their backs,
*Lamont to hit the ball up, or Hamilton/B.Morgan,
Wingers to use their pace,
*Steyn to pin them back kicking with the wind,
*Steyn to take the points when he can,
*To come back from Exeter with at least 4 points.
Leicester Tigers v Northampton Saints
Sunny, 6 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Leicester Tigers
Manager – LukeLovesLuka
16. Ben Franks 17. Lee Mears 18. Census Johnstone 19. Alex Brown 20. Thomas Waldrom 21. Micky Young 22. Billy Twelvetrees 23. Vincent Clerc
Tactics
GENERAL:
- We are looking to get our backs into the game as much as possible. We will attack the lineout and the breakdown as and when we can. With the ball in hand we have different options of how we can play - carrying forwards, tactical half-back's, intelligent midfield and elusive runners out wide.
- Defensively we will look to blitz, with Yachvili sweeping behind the defensive line to deal with any short kicks.
- Early on Yachvili to kick all penalites within range, but we won't necessarily go for the 3 points as the game progresses. Horwill to make the call dependant on the success of the lineout.
FORWARDS:
- Attack the lineout as a weapon using the tactical kicking of Yachvili and Wilkinson. Croft to be our go-to man - but we can and will use any of Horwill, Pape and Easter as well.
- Jenkins to look to really go after Stevens in the scrum, and Cole told to hold his bind and keep his body and back straight in an effort to stop them being done underneath by Domingo. Easter to be in control at the base of the scrum.
- Look to Easter, Horwill, Pocock, Jenkins, Pape, Croft and Moore to give us real go-forward with their carrying. With the ball in hand we want to attack together in groups so as not to become isolated, and if it is on we will look to offload in or just before the tackle. All players are to act as support runners when they can.
- Pocock is the man charged with reaching the breakdown first, securing first phase possession for us and pilfering the possession of Saints. Our other forwards will look to ruck past the ball and clear out Saints players enabling us to effect turnovers. We will always look to attack quickly off turnover ball.
BACKS:
- In general attacking play, we will play off 9 with Yachvili pulling the strings. Yachvili and Wilkinson to manage the tempo of the game, control where the game is to be played and to play the game as they see it.
- If the game is tight and the ball isn't coming quickly, Wilkinson will look to drop into the pocket and keep the scoreboard ticking over with drop goals.
- Fritz comes in to give us great running options in midfield. Both he and BOD are extremely powerful in defence, and won't allow Tuilagi's crash ball through.
- Our back three are encouraged to do what comes naturally to all of them - counter attacking and running the ball back. The weather is good for running rugby, and we hope to see some great breaks. All have good boots to rely on if it isn't on or they are isolated, but the counter is what we ask them to look for.
KEY POINTS:
- Home Advantage - Unbeaten at home since the start of last season. Welford Road is once again the fortress that we all know.
- Attack the lineout as a weapon using the tactical kicking of Yachvili and Wilkinson.
- Target the breakdown - Pocock is the man charged with reaching the breakdown first, securing first phase possession for us and pilfering the possession of Saints.
- Calm, mature heads at 8, 9 and 10 in Easter, Yachvili and Wilkinson - to make the right calls and control the tempo of the game and where it is being played.
- Confidence issues within the Saints squad:
Domingo, Hartley, Stevens, Davies, Elsom and Giteau are all off the boil completely.
Saints have won 2 games from a possible 9 in the league.
3 loanees brought in (on Thursday) as a sign of panic from the Saints management, 1 of which has staggeringly been named in the team (Qera) and another on the bench (Williams).
Is Welford Road against a Tigers team that hasn't lost at home in 2 years the place to stop the rot? We don't think so. We will start the game at a very high tempo and look to get those Saints heads dropping. Our half backs are great for this sort of unforgiving pressure.
Northampton Saints
Manager – Dammit Chris
16. Rob Webber 17. Matt Mullan 18. Carl Hayman 19. Ali Williams 20. Courtney Lawes 21. Joe Simpson 22. Max Evans 23. Christian Wade
Tactics
Tactics: Overview
The Saints gameplan revolves around winning the territory game and applying pressure on Tigers in key areas where we can force them into mistakes and keep the scorebarod ticking over. We have a strong ball carrying game in the pack and will work through the phases to recycle the ball and allow Beauxis and Giteau time to kick over the Tigers defensive line and keep Tigers going backwards. Wilkinson's kicking was questionable at best and he is still settling into the TIgers team, so this is a key area for us to win and why we selected a midfield that can kick us deep into opposition territory. Halfpenny will offer Foden support at the back to offer a kicking game and keep Tigers well away from the tryline and kicking penalties.
Set PieceWe have rested our front row options very well over the last few weeks with the Amlin Cup with a view to target the AP games and put pressure on players who have not rested since the WC - in a physical league where each game is effectively an international we hope that htis will be picked up on, especially when we can bring on Mullan, Webber and Hayman in the second half to provide a strong scrummaging unit. We have opted for Domingo and Stevens because the conditions allow for more of a running game, where there will be far less knock ons and need for scrums - we also believe that both are very good in hitting rucks and mauls and this advantage over their Tiger counterparts will play to our gameplan. We have Davies and Albacete to add some bulk to the scrum.
At the lineout we have Davies, Albacete and Parisse as our main lineout operators and plan to keep our lineouts simple and effective. With the view to secure slow ball, build through the phases and provide Beauxis and Giteau a platform to kick the ball into Tigers territory and keep our pack going forward. We have a better kciking game than Tigers and we will use this to build forward momentum - it wont be pretty but if used effectively it will be a key weapon.
Defensively at linouts that are outside out 10m line we will move Mike Phillips into the 5m channel, bring Hartley into the lineout as an extra lifting option to help challenge the Tigers throws and place either Qera or Elsom to mark Wilkinson and hammer staight into the Tieers backline to cut off their attacking channels and give us an extra man at the breakdown area. Again combating the threat of Pocock. On Tigers attacking ball we wont look to challenge thw throw, instead we will target the ball carrier or have the extra defender in the backs to punish quick ball. We want to slow Tigers down and stop their gameplan.
BreakdownIn training we have identified Pocock as a major threat - so have picked a pack that can get to breakdown in numbers and faster than their Tigers counterparts - Domingo, Stevens and Parisse are all very mobile and will look to shut off the breakdown and secure our own ball. We will also have Elsom and Qera taking it in turns to specifically target Pocock, pull him off his feet, target the man and play the referee as we look for penalties.
Mike Phillips can add his physicality in this area too, we have picked him because he can be used effectively as another flanker and this is where we have to challenge and force Tigers into commiting more players then they'd like into this area. We also had tactics above to ensure that we have an extra backrower in the backline on Tigers lineout ball, this can create 2 on 1's and allow us to compete at the breakdown before Pocock arrives on scene!
AttackOur attack has two approaches, the first is to put us into scoring opportunities through a kick and chase game and pressurising the Tigers team into mistakes, penalties and errors and to capitalise on these mistakes by giving the ball to our backs. When Tigers defensive line aligns itself to prepare for the kick we will run the ball at the space that this creates, with Giteau running the game and putting Tuilagi, and the back three into space. This will keep Tigers guessing where the ball is going to go and give our key decision makers that extra bit of time to take the right option.
When we secure ball in the Tigers half we will keep hold of the ball through the forwards, working our way through the phases (e.g. Munster v Saints) and not taking any risks, slowly edging forwards. Mike Phillips to control the tempo and direction of the game and we will look to drag Tigers players into the rucks and mauls and get them playing to our strengths. We do not mind slow ball, but when opportunities arise we will use Albacete, Davies, Elsom, Qera and Parisse to add pace into the ball carrying, cross the gainline and secure quick ball for our backs to attack. The more slow ball we have the more Tigers could get impatient and give away penalties and free kicks, which Beauxis will punish them with.
The point it to mix up the attack to keep Tigers defence guessing, changing the tempo to suit our gameplan - slowing things down in the forwards to tie up Pocock and remove his threat at the turnover. We wont depend on quick ball, but instead will keep the ball, go through the phases when we are in Tigers half (whether ball in hand or defensively) and take all points on offer. Every chance we have we will take points, whether it be through Beauxis and Halfpenny penalties or relying on Beauxis to drop into the hole and drop some goals. If he misses we get the ball back from the 22 restart and can start going through the phases again.
DefenceWe will play our usual aggressive defensive system, but a lot of our work will be on a great kick and chase game. Beauxis has one of the biggest boots in Europe and when supported by Giteau and Halfpenny we will look to pile on defensive pressure on Tigers and pressurise them into errors. We will target Wilkinson and put him under pressure and have a man on him straight away because if we stop him playing then the Tigers backline wont function or be able to release their backthree. We also make them attack from deep - with Phillips sweeping behind any attacks and relying on Ashton and Foden's great defensive play to stop any linebreaks.
In the second half we will look to introduce Lawes in the no6 shirt so that he can terrorise the Tigers midfield with huge hits and force them into errors. All about pressure and putting this on Leicester in their own half.
Game Specific Tactics• Learnt lessons from last week and look to dominate the kicking game, recalled Beauxis to achieve this and have Giteau and Halfpenny to support. Can beat an out of sorts Wilkinson at this.
• Control territory and apply pressure – The game is going to be played deeply in the Tigers half as Beauxis plays us into the areas where our aggressive defence can force errors and in the right areas those errors turn into points. Beauxis place kicking will punish all mistakes and penalties.
• Stop the Tigers halfbacks - Phillips will drag Yachvilli into a physical battle, which he does not relish and by doing so we stop the Tigers creative spark as Wilkinson wont offer this. Phillips is on top form and outplayed the Frenchman the last time they met and will enjoy the game again. Wilkinson will be pressurised off Tigers attacking lineouts with either Elsom or Qera marking him out like Betsen did for France 5-6 years ago. Stopping quality ball getting to the Tigers backline is key.
* Stop any flow developing and force Tigers into our game plan - our tactics are all about playing the game that suits us, slowing down phases and generally creating a disjointed game that we can force Tigers into mistakes and play to our strengths e.g. developed a new strategy for the breakdown and Beauxis kicking the ball deep.
• Keep Scoreboard Ticking – Beauxis to kick three points at every single opportunity
Key Points• Tactics have been designed to play to our strengths and stop Leicester playing the game they set out to achieve in their own tactics - they are looking to get the ball to their backs as much as possible, whilst we are happy to do this by kicking it deep into their own half and letting them come at us from deep. We will also keep the ball in our forwards and completely frustrate Tigers by going through phase by phase with slow ball and just completlely stopping Tigers from developing any flow or structure to their gameplan.
• Our kicking game completely changes the Tigers defensive patterns - if we keep kicking deep then their backthree will all need to play deeper, with Giteau at 12 he can take advantage of this by attacking BOD and offloading to Tuilagi or Foden to then create 2on1's with the Tigers defence. Ashton, Halfpenny some of best finsihes in Europe. We have some of the best attacking threats in world rugby at our disposal and Giteau is absolutely key for this.
• Have leaders throughout the team Hartley, Davies, Albacete, Elsom, Parisse, Phillips, Giteau etc and with Webber, Hayman, Williams all having leadership experience we have enough players who know how to win big games away from home.
• Powerful bench that we will use to change the game as and when we need to. Will look to slow down the Tigers attack, make the game broken up and disjointed, punish the Tigers with our better kicking game and win the terrirtory battle.
Saracens v London Irish
Sunny, 6 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Saracens
Manager – Ozzy3213
16. George Chuter 17. Tendai Mtwarira 18. Jannie du Plessis 19. Dave Attwood 20. Luke Narraway 21. Paul Hodgson 22. Patric Lambie 23. Mark Cueto
Tactics
Our generic gameplan revolves around a high intensity attacking and defensive game.
In attack our primary gameplan is always to control possession and run the ball, utilising big carriers attacking gaps in the line, and looking to offload to support runners to continue getting over the gainline and keep the ball alive. If the offload is not on, we will take the contact and look to recycle quickly at the breakdown. If running the ball is not on we will uitilise the kicking game of one of our backs to take us into the right area of the pitch.
In defence we will look to blitz, with our scrum half sweeping behind the defensive line. Key for us is line speed, getting up to make the tackle before the ball carrier hits the gainline, and confidence and trust in the man next to you in the defensive line, meaning we will not jump out or get pulled to far away from the next defender leaving gaps that can be exploited.
At the breakdown, we will not overcommit players. If the ball is not there to be won, then we will commit 1 or 2 players to legally slow it down whilst maintaining a strong defensive line across the pitch. If the ball looks like it is there to be won, we will look to get more numbers there quickly, with the first 1 or 2 players immediately rucking past the ball to clear the opposition players who are trying to get hands on it, and the next man in will then look to get it out quickly for us to counter attack on turnover ball.
We will look to really attack the scrum, both in attack and defence. We will not be looking to drop the scrum at all, and Joe van Niekerk in his role as captain will be talking to the referee constantly to ensure that he is aware that we want to scrummage. We will look to be aggressive in this area throughout.
Game Specific Tactics
Key Points
N.B - Not a definite tactic to start, but if it looks as if Irish are going to try to throw big carriers down the 13 channel and target Trinder, we have the option of switching him and Ioane on defence, and having the powerful Australian line up inside with Trinder on the wing. If we do this an Irish still attempt to target Trinder in the outside channels by using big ball carrying forwards, we will really target the contact areas there for turnovers and look to strike quickly infield with the Irish forwards having to try to scramble back in on defence.
London Irish
Manager – stnick88
16. Jean Baptiste Poux 17. Neil Briggs 18. Duncan Bell 19. Mouritz Botha 20. David Sisi 21. Julien Dupuy 22. Jaque Fourie 23. Marland Yarde
Tactics
We travel to Vicarage Road full of confidence with 10 points from our last two games (BP wins over Wasps and Quins). We have picked a team to try and dominate the set piece and territory. We will look to play with ball in hand and not kick away loose ball, but build the phases using big ball carriers and force Sarries to make lots of tackles and commit men in defence before we spread the ball out and get the likes of SBW, Tait, J.P, Basson running.
We are targetting the scrum as an area to exploit. Castro gave Corbs all sorts of problems in real life a few weeks ago and will look to do the same again. With Tonga the other side, we have a powerful scrum that will look to drive Sarries backwards and win us some penalties for JMH to kick.
At the lineout we will have Kennedy calling the shots, supported by Garvey, Kaino and Spies. Kennedy will look to disrupt as much opposition ball as possible. In the opposition 22, we will look to secure the ball at the front and use the power of Castro, Tiny, Spies etc to maul the ball over the try line.
At the breakdown, we will use Kaino, Spies, Garvey etc to clear out the rucks quickly and allow Fourie in to secure good, quick ball and also to try and turnover oppositon ball. Any opposition ball will be counter attacked. We don't want to over commit to a ruck if the turnover is not on, but will try to legally slow down opposition ball. We have instructed Kaino to stop the hard running of Nonu. We have a lot of big tacklers like Kaino, Spies, Garvey, Fourie, SBW to stop Nonu building momentum which is where Saracens build a lot of their attacks off. We will also look to put big hits in on young Trinder and test his defence with SBW especially targetting him. Tait and J.P will track his runs and look to gather offloads, although similar to last week we have instructed SBW only to offload when it is on.
In attack, if our ball is slow, we will use the boots of Pienaar and JMH to kick in behind Sarries wingers as neither have good kicking games. Basson and JP will rush up on them and pressurise them.
Jaque Fourie will come on for Tait early in the 2nd half to bolster our midfield further and give us an extra dimension in attack and shore up our defence. JMH to kick all pens for goal if in range, if not go for touch.
Bath Rugby v Sale Sharks
Sunny Intervals, 7 Degrees, 4mph Winds
Bath Rugby
Manager – inthefastlane
16 Jon Golding 17 Joe Ward 18 Petrus Du Plessis 19 Rob Simmons 20 Sean O’Brien 21 Richard Wigglesworth 22 Francois Steyn 23 Tom Varndell
Tactics
General
We'll look to use our big pack to build a base in order to get our backs into the game. We will play a backs based game. It will be really attacking, running rugby. We will look to be making good runs bringing our running back three into the game.
Set Piece
We have some of the on form scrummagers in the world and will look to use the scrum as a platform. We feel we can really use this to advantage . We feel a big part of our game will be the lineout. Lobbe and Whitelock are our main jumpers while Deacon offers a strong banker ball if needed. Simmons will maintain our dominance from the bench.
Other points
- Generate Quick Ball
- Look to slow Sale ball down with Armitage looking to create turnovers
- Look to get turnovers at the lineout
Sale Sharks
Manager – SJE
16. Lee Imolek 17. Brett Sharman 18. Neemia Tialata 19. Alun Wyn Jones 20. Matt Kvesic 21. Shaun Perry 22. Aaron Cruden 23. Nick Abendanoon
General Game Plan
On attack, we will look to control possession with our strong carrying game. We will look to our big carriers to get over the gain line and where possible offload to support runners breaking the defensive line and keeping our forward momentum going. If running the ball is not on we will look to the boots of Sexton and Hook to put us in the right areas.
On defence, we will use a blitz defence coming up at pace looking to isolate the ball carrier before he gets to the gain line stopping any momentum and allowing us to hit the breakdown hard. Danny Care will act as a sweeper to cover any grubbers behind the line while our back three will sit deep ready to run back any loose kicks.
At the breakdown, if the ball looks available we will look to seriously commit numbers to clear the ruck allowing Thomson and Quedragao to come in and secure us turnover ball. At all other times we will commit 1 or 2 to the breakdown and look to counter ruck legally slowing down Bath ball allowing our defensive line more time to set.
We will look to use the set piece as a weapon throughout. We will target the scrum with a technically strong front row looking to get in under and win the scrum battle. With 5 jumping options and a reliable thrower at hook we will look to attack from the lineout. We will look to mix things up bringing the ball down into the maul or playing the ball of the top and spreading it through the backs.
Key Points
• In Game Form – We have lost just twice in our last 8 outings being bonus point defeats at Vicarage Road in the league and at Kingsholm in the LDC Pete Cup. We come to the Rec looking to continue our great form and leave with another away win.
•Play the game in the right areas – We will look to the boots of Sexton and Hook and play the game inside Bath territory forcing Bath to play from deep. We will look to our pack to disrupt the opposition set piece and our backrow in particular to attack the breakdown. We will harass Hodgson into making mistakes, giving us fantastic attacking platforms to work from.... Care, Sexton and Hook do however have the brains and spark to play from deep when it is really on.
• Target the Bath wingers - We will look to test the Bath wingers out today both aerially and positionally. Sexton and Hook will look to send some high hanging balls to the corners and really test the Bath back 3 none of whom are particularly good under the highball. We will look to execute kick and chases and crossfield kicks into the corners when we see any of these 3 out of position. We have picked a side packed with pace to really get up on the chase. Keith Earls has been lined up against Medard to use his GAA skills (Irish footballing) and beat him to the ball in the air.
London Wasps v Harlequins
Sunny, 6 Degrees, 12mph Winds
London Wasps
Manager – ‘Arry
16. Andy Titterell 17. Charlie Beech 18. CJ Van Der Linde 19. Richard Birkett 20. Roger Wilson 21. Mike Blair 22. Rory Clegg 23. Mike Tindall
Tactics
After losing away from home to a very impressive London Irish side last week we return to Adams Park where we are yet to lose so far this season. We have picked a dynamic, powerful and physical forward pack which will work very hard at rucks and winning us set piece ball at scrum time and lineout. We feel that if we can assert ourselves physically and win the forward battle, providing our backs with a solid platform we will be able to beat Harlequins. We will look to attack in numbers, we have plenty of powerful and dynamic carriers in our pack who will get us over the gain line and set us out a solid platform to build from. We have plenty of grit in our team and feel that if we can push Quins onto the back foot by winning the forward battle and collisions we will be able to unsettle them.
Our game plan is based around using the power we have in our team to set out a platform for our backs to be able to attack from. We will look to use the set piece as a platform for attacks. Our front row is a very good scrummaging unit and we will hopefully be able to build attacks from there and earn some penalties for Gopperth to make use of. Our pack will be physical and relentless up front, we will play with controlled aggression. We will look to our forwards to get us onto the front foot by attacking in groups with some grunt and powerful carrying, getting us over the gain line. We will start as we mean to go on with high intensity, hitting the collision area hard and driving our players over the gain line. We will look to recycle the ball efficiently within the pack taking the ball through plenty of phases to wear Harlequins down.
We have two excellent kicking options in Gopperth and McAlister who will kick in behind the Harlequins wingers and keep them pinned back where we will look to isolate and pressurize them into making mistakes in their own half. We will look to hit the rucks hard and compete when we can, Deon Stegmann with his low centre of gravity will look to compete hard at the breakdown, any turnovers we do make we will look to get the ball out wide and attack the space available. At rucks on our own ball we will look to secure the ball by coming from low to high to present Burgess with clean, quick ball and get our forwards running onto the ball at different angles to pierce the Quins defence.
In the forwards we will look to drive our carriers over the gain line and really look to win the collisions. We have plenty of dynamic carriers such as Polota-Nau, Haskell and Johnson. Gopperth will look to bring in our strike runners in McAlister and Roberts. If it is on we will look to offload the ball to the supporting players and keep Harlequins working off the ball in defence. We will look for the in form Roberts to target the lightweight centre partnership of Quins and run hard at them, staying strong in the contact area and either offloading if he wins the collision, or the support players will keep driving him on, building up momentum and speed in our attacks. With the ball in hand we will look to our strike runners such as McAlister to attack gaps and half gaps in their defence targeting the outside shoulder of the Quins players. We will also be sending our big carriers in Quade Cooper’s direction.
So long as our ball carriers have the support, we will look to pierce gaps in the Quins defensive line and offload to supporting players, keeping the ball alive as much as possible. We will look to get our offloading game going to alternate the point of attack and keep Quins working off the ball in defence and pierce the gaps we have created. With quick ball and offloading we will look to create and expose mismatches in the midfield. Our mobile and dynamic back row will look to support our ball carriers, taking offloads and powerfully driving forward. We will ensure our ball carriers have plenty of support in each phase, so they we can continue to play an offloading game. Any loose kicks our back three get will be returned with interest. We have plenty of pace in our back three and will look to use them when we can.
At lineouts we will look to exert as much pressure as possible on the Quins throws with Wentzel looking to steal some opposition throws. On our own throw we will use Wentzel as our main go to man but will mix it up by using Chisholm, Haskell and Johnson. From there we will look to slowly sap the energy out of Harlequins by using the rolling maul. We will look to suck in as many Quins defenders to open up spaces elsewhere for us to attack. We’ll look to really target the set piece and create a platform, we feel that we can gain an advantage here, if we get a nudge on we will look to keep them going backwards. Our back row will look to really get in Coopers face and put him off of his game. We will ensure our discipline is exemplary. We will play hard rugby but ensure we play by the rules, discipline will be key. We feel that if our forwards can get us onto the front foot we have the half backs who will keep their cool and manage our game.
Harlequins
Manager – Steven_Sharks
16. Rob Vickers 17. Joe Marler 18. Brian Mujati 19. Nathan Sharpe 20. Carl Fearns 21. Karl Dickson 22. Felipe Contepomi 23. George Lowe
Tactics
We go to Wasps knowing what a formidable challenge we face against who have been one of the surprise package of the season so far along with ourselves. We know Wasps play a strong game organised around their half back pairing and they use there powerful carriers to punch holes in the midfield and then move to exploit an unorganised defence. We have set our game plan to try and move Wasps out of their comfort zone by putting big
pressure upon their half backs and midfield in defence and by moving the point of our attack around the field.
Game Plan
As usual we want to use our forwards to get us onto the front foot so we can throw the ball wide to our back 3 and we want to look to move the Wasps pack around the field as much as possible. We will look for our forwards to carry away from the breakdown of the shoulders of 10 and 12 far more often than we might usually. We will look to switch the point of attack constantly with Dickson, Cooper, Priestland and Flutey in control of this. We will be looking for our forwards to be running different angles and different depths to keep the Wasps defence guessing. Once we get quick ball we are going to unleash our backline into the game and look to get into spaces out wide where we can isolate the Wasps defenders. We want to maintain a high tempo in attack with players looking to carry the ball at pace and coming at different angles. Cooper is the perfect 10 to control our game and put other men into space and change our point of attack.
We will look to be patient in implementing this game plan but at the same time if we are going know where then we will look to use the cultured boots of Cooper, Priestland, Dickson and Flutey to put us into the right areas of the pitch. As usual we will not kick aimlessly and when kicking we will either clear to touch or kick into spaces. We are also going to look to kick in an attacking sense putting up and unders up and using crossfields and grubber kicks when we feel our attacking shape isn’t there and we are lacking momentum. We are going to look to keep the scoreboard ticking over with penalties to build pressure on Wasps. Our defensive game plan is to disrupt Wasps in every way. We want our pack to challenge every ruck and Set piece as well as having our defensive line coming up at pace.
Forwards
We have picked a big pack which I also consider to be quite mobile and this is important to our game plan as our forwards are going to be asked to carry the ball in wider areas than they might usually. We will look to carry in numbers and aim to win the collision and then keep driving our legs once we have reached contact. When we get the chance we will still look to offload to continue our attacks. We are going to look for our front 5 to carry of 10 and 12 with our back row looking to do the carrying off 12 and 13. We will look for our pack to be really aggressive and front up to Wasps and really try and knock them backwards from the word go. With our game plan of changing the point of attack we need to use 3 men in a ruck so secure quick ball. We are going to look to get Warburton and Louw to dominate the breakdown and secure us penalties and turnovers which we can turn into points.
Set Piece
At the scrum we are going to really look to get the shove on with our experienced and tough front row. We will look for both of our props to try to get underneath there opponent particularly John Afoa who will have the force of Jerome Thion behind him. If we do get a scrum advantage we will look to go up on the Tighthead side so Dowson can pick up and run at Wasps with more space available to him.
At the Lineout we will use 5 man lines inbetween both 22’s with the two props either end and Skivington, Thion and Dowson being the jumpers used inbetween them. This allows us to use Louw and Warburton in the midfield on the first phase if required. When in our own 22 or the opposition 22 we will look to use a full line so as we have the option to use a driving maul to gain us some ground. On the opposition ball we will look to compete with Skivington marking Wentzel to attempt to make Wasps look to other jumpers whom Thion, Louw and Dowson will then look to pressure.
Backs
In the backs we have our key decision makers at 9 10 and 12 and we will run our plays through them. A move we will look to use is for Faainga to cut lines back across the defence so Flutey can swing round and Cooper can pick Flutey out behind Faainga when we want to run wide. Using this we suck in defenders and it gives Flutey the chance to feed the back 3 in a bit more space. We can also give the ball to Faainga to make the hard yards as well as having floating forwards picking lines off Cooper and Flutey. From first phase ball we will look to bring Priestland and the blindside wing into play as runners who can be used to carry or be used as decoys. We will look to have Preistland in the line when we are attacking so we have another creative player involved unlocking the Wasps defence.
Defence
We have some really strong defensive players in this game and we will look for them to marshall our defence. Louw and Faainga will be in charge of our defence during the game and will rearrange our defensive line up if we are weak in a particular area. We will play with a quick line speed particularly looking to put pressure on the Wasps decision makers. We have reinforced our midfield defence with Flutey and Faiinga and I can’t see anybody making any headway through this channel so Wasps will have to re assess their strategy. We will look to try and smash Wasps runners backwards by adapting a low body position. This will give us a target for our forwards to hit to disrupt Wasps ball. We will have our back 3 sitting very deep to capitalise on loose kicks with Dickson sweeping behind the defensive line. In defence Priestland will move to 10 and Cooper will move to 15 as he does with the Reds. When the ball is kicked to Heymans, Cooper and Joseph we have one of the most exciting attacking units you could ask for to run the ball back to wasps with interest.
Subs
We have some great impact players on the bench who will be introduced into the second half. We also have the electric Karl Dickson to bring on if we need to up the tempo anymore as well as very powerful carriers in Marler, Mujati, Fearns and Lowe.
Key Points
• Constantly move the point of attack with both backs and forwards looking to move the point of attack. Cooper is key to this and will run the show for us.
• Move the Wasps pack around by using our forward s to carry in the midfield.
• Build pressure on Wasps in attack and defence. We want our forwards to disrupt wasps at every opportunity.
• Only kick when it gives us an obvious advantage or to clear our lines. Absolutely no loose kicking and when we do kick we chase as a line.
• Use Flutey coming behind Faainga to unleash our back line and Kearney who will join the line.
• Dominate the breakdown will Louw and Warburton looking to get on the ball and legally recover possession.
• Keep a high tempo to our game in attack and defence.
• Be very physical with wasps and play in their faces.
• Use our bench at the right time. Impact players galore.
• Kick the points when we can.
Opposition Specific Tactics
- We don't see a genuine breakdown specialist in the Wasps pack so we are going to really look to get on top in this area.
- Try to kick into the gaps behind the wasps back 3. We think we can gain territory by forcing the Wasps wingers into kicking which we don't see as their strength.
- Really target Charlie Beech if he comes off the bench. Afoa and Mujati will really cause him problems.
- Press onto Gopperth and McAllister and give them as little time as possible.
Team Sheets and tactics due by COB Thur
Predictions open Fri. Results due Sun/Mon
Exeter Chiefs v Worcester Warriors
Sunny, 9 Degrees, 15mph Winds
Exeter Chiefs
Manager – Driver
| 01. Andrew Sheridan | 09. Nick Phipps |
| 02. John Smit (c) | 10. Ronan O’Gara |
| 03. Davit Zirkashvilli | |
| 04. Simon Shaw | 11. Luke Fitzgerald |
| 05. Juillian Pierre | 12. Gordan D’Arcy |
| 06. Lewis Moody | 13. Chris Bell |
| 07. Shane Jennings | 14. Isia Toeava |
| 08. Ben Skirving | 15. Lee Byrne |
16.Neil Clark 17.Salvator Perugini 18.Dave Wilson 19.James Hudson 20.Declan Danahar 21.Haydn Thomas 22.Colin Slade 23.Adam Thompstone
Tactics
- Play the percentages and use the boot of ROG to put them under the cosh in there own 22 and using a big physical forward pack to really take them on and disrupt any ball.
- Use our big midfield to bash our way up the middle and pull defenders in to create gaps for Toeava , Fitzgerald and Byrne to pick there lines off.
- Phipps and ROG will mainly look to play the percentages but will keep an eye open for any overlaps half gaps our numbers outwide , changing our game plan.
- Our front 5 is packed with ball carrying forwards who will look to run hard at the fringes and tie the defenders up.
- At the breakdown we will target the ball carrier either holding him up in the choke tackle as we have the pack to stop any maul or double tapping the attacker with Jennings/Moody being allowed a stab at the ball
- We will look to scrum and keep the scrum up and John Smit will let the referee know this. On the opposition ball we will focus on a 8 man shove and take the opposition on with Phipps looking to really get stuck into there 8 and 9.
- We will look to move the ball in attack when it is kicked to us to attack any dog legs with our attack minded back 3.
- Blitz defense and really get up into the opposition faces and cut down there thinking time with Phipps sweeping behind for any kicks through.
Key Points
* Use Skirving to pressure the Worcester Lineout and really target the ball on the Worcester throw.
* Disipline will be key , Test Cowens by letting Phipps share some 'freindly' banter about his passing at the scrum
* Steyn must be feeling the pressure , The Bulls are bring Houghard back to play 10 can't have that much faith in him
Worcester Warriors
Manager – prop_lyd
| 01. David Flatman | 09. Jimmy Cowan |
| 02. Richardt Strauss | 10. Morne Steyn (k) |
| 03. BJ Botha | |
| 04. Jim Hamilton | 11. Shane Williams |
| 05. Ollie Kohn | 12. Sean Lamont |
| 06. Craig Newby (c) | 13. Jon Clarke |
| 07. Scott Higginbotham | 14. Bryan Habana |
| 08. Ben Morgan | 15. Ollie Morgan |
16.Chris Fortey 17.Sylvain Marconnet 18.Yann Thomas 19.Danie Russouw 20.Kearnen Myall 21.Dwayne Peel 22.Sam Vesty 23.Greig Tonks
Tactics
Forwards
We have selected a strong pack who will be able to hold any shunt and hopefully look to steal more ball. In the lineouts we have strong jumpers and will look for quick ball to release our backs. Looking a tour back row we can get alot of turnover ball with Newby and Higginbotham snaffling at the ruck and aiming to be the 2nd player into a ruck to go over the ball and either slow it down or looking for turnover ball. Morgan has been playing tremendously in the past few matches and; with Hamilton will look to carry the ball up in midfield to suck in defenders and look for the quick offload.
Backs
We have selected a backline ready for the winter. Steyn will kick for territory making sure it's away from the Exeter back 3 and either reaches touch or gives our chasing pack time to put pressure on Exeter in their own half. Lamont is going to be our battering ram who will take crashball up and release our quick back 3 who have good try-scoring and line breaking records. Cowan will look for quick ball and when it's turnover ball we will look to Lamont to hit it up and then to Steyn to pin them back. We haven't been a try scoring team this season and this will not change much today with Steyn going for every penalty that is in his range and also looking for some cheeky drop goals. If the overlap is there we will take the try but we see winning as more important even if it is with ugly rugby.
Defence
Lead by Lamont and rushing up flat. We will put players on Steyn and Lamont's shoulders to look to steal or slow down their ball and prevent the ball getting to their backs. Cowan will sweep behind with Morgan standing deep to stop ROG's positional play.
Overall
*We have had enough of being called an improving team and want to win and stamp our mark,
*Forwards to slow down as much of their ball and look to take it up 2 phases to suck in their backs,
*Lamont to hit the ball up, or Hamilton/B.Morgan,
Wingers to use their pace,
*Steyn to pin them back kicking with the wind,
*Steyn to take the points when he can,
*To come back from Exeter with at least 4 points.
Leicester Tigers v Northampton Saints
Sunny, 6 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Leicester Tigers
Manager – LukeLovesLuka
| 01. Gethin Jenkins | 09. Dimitri Yachvili (k) |
| 02. Stephen Moore | 10. Jonny Wilkinson |
| 03. Dan Cole | |
| 04. Pascal Pape | 11. Topsy Ojo |
| 05. James Horwill (c) | 12. Florian Fritz |
| 06. Tom Croft | 13. Brian O'Driscoll |
| 07. David Pocock | 14. Cory Jane |
| 08. Nick Easter | 15. Clement Poitrenaud |
Tactics
GENERAL:
- We are looking to get our backs into the game as much as possible. We will attack the lineout and the breakdown as and when we can. With the ball in hand we have different options of how we can play - carrying forwards, tactical half-back's, intelligent midfield and elusive runners out wide.
- Defensively we will look to blitz, with Yachvili sweeping behind the defensive line to deal with any short kicks.
- Early on Yachvili to kick all penalites within range, but we won't necessarily go for the 3 points as the game progresses. Horwill to make the call dependant on the success of the lineout.
FORWARDS:
- Attack the lineout as a weapon using the tactical kicking of Yachvili and Wilkinson. Croft to be our go-to man - but we can and will use any of Horwill, Pape and Easter as well.
- Jenkins to look to really go after Stevens in the scrum, and Cole told to hold his bind and keep his body and back straight in an effort to stop them being done underneath by Domingo. Easter to be in control at the base of the scrum.
- Look to Easter, Horwill, Pocock, Jenkins, Pape, Croft and Moore to give us real go-forward with their carrying. With the ball in hand we want to attack together in groups so as not to become isolated, and if it is on we will look to offload in or just before the tackle. All players are to act as support runners when they can.
- Pocock is the man charged with reaching the breakdown first, securing first phase possession for us and pilfering the possession of Saints. Our other forwards will look to ruck past the ball and clear out Saints players enabling us to effect turnovers. We will always look to attack quickly off turnover ball.
BACKS:
- In general attacking play, we will play off 9 with Yachvili pulling the strings. Yachvili and Wilkinson to manage the tempo of the game, control where the game is to be played and to play the game as they see it.
- If the game is tight and the ball isn't coming quickly, Wilkinson will look to drop into the pocket and keep the scoreboard ticking over with drop goals.
- Fritz comes in to give us great running options in midfield. Both he and BOD are extremely powerful in defence, and won't allow Tuilagi's crash ball through.
- Our back three are encouraged to do what comes naturally to all of them - counter attacking and running the ball back. The weather is good for running rugby, and we hope to see some great breaks. All have good boots to rely on if it isn't on or they are isolated, but the counter is what we ask them to look for.
KEY POINTS:
- Home Advantage - Unbeaten at home since the start of last season. Welford Road is once again the fortress that we all know.
- Attack the lineout as a weapon using the tactical kicking of Yachvili and Wilkinson.
- Target the breakdown - Pocock is the man charged with reaching the breakdown first, securing first phase possession for us and pilfering the possession of Saints.
- Calm, mature heads at 8, 9 and 10 in Easter, Yachvili and Wilkinson - to make the right calls and control the tempo of the game and where it is being played.
- Confidence issues within the Saints squad:
Domingo, Hartley, Stevens, Davies, Elsom and Giteau are all off the boil completely.
Saints have won 2 games from a possible 9 in the league.
3 loanees brought in (on Thursday) as a sign of panic from the Saints management, 1 of which has staggeringly been named in the team (Qera) and another on the bench (Williams).
Is Welford Road against a Tigers team that hasn't lost at home in 2 years the place to stop the rot? We don't think so. We will start the game at a very high tempo and look to get those Saints heads dropping. Our half backs are great for this sort of unforgiving pressure.
Northampton Saints
Manager – Dammit Chris
| 01. Thomas Domingo | 09. Mike Phillips |
| 02. Dylan Hartley | 10. Lionel Beauxis |
| 03. Matt Stevens | |
| 04. Bradley Davies | 11. Leigh Halfpenny |
| 05. Patricio Albacete | 12. Matt Giteau |
| 06. Rocky Elsom | 13. Manu Tuilagi |
| 07. Akapusi Qera | 14. Chris Ashton |
| 08. Sergio Parisse (c) | 15. Ben Foden |
16. Rob Webber 17. Matt Mullan 18. Carl Hayman 19. Ali Williams 20. Courtney Lawes 21. Joe Simpson 22. Max Evans 23. Christian Wade
Tactics
Tactics: Overview
The Saints gameplan revolves around winning the territory game and applying pressure on Tigers in key areas where we can force them into mistakes and keep the scorebarod ticking over. We have a strong ball carrying game in the pack and will work through the phases to recycle the ball and allow Beauxis and Giteau time to kick over the Tigers defensive line and keep Tigers going backwards. Wilkinson's kicking was questionable at best and he is still settling into the TIgers team, so this is a key area for us to win and why we selected a midfield that can kick us deep into opposition territory. Halfpenny will offer Foden support at the back to offer a kicking game and keep Tigers well away from the tryline and kicking penalties.
Set PieceWe have rested our front row options very well over the last few weeks with the Amlin Cup with a view to target the AP games and put pressure on players who have not rested since the WC - in a physical league where each game is effectively an international we hope that htis will be picked up on, especially when we can bring on Mullan, Webber and Hayman in the second half to provide a strong scrummaging unit. We have opted for Domingo and Stevens because the conditions allow for more of a running game, where there will be far less knock ons and need for scrums - we also believe that both are very good in hitting rucks and mauls and this advantage over their Tiger counterparts will play to our gameplan. We have Davies and Albacete to add some bulk to the scrum.
At the lineout we have Davies, Albacete and Parisse as our main lineout operators and plan to keep our lineouts simple and effective. With the view to secure slow ball, build through the phases and provide Beauxis and Giteau a platform to kick the ball into Tigers territory and keep our pack going forward. We have a better kciking game than Tigers and we will use this to build forward momentum - it wont be pretty but if used effectively it will be a key weapon.
Defensively at linouts that are outside out 10m line we will move Mike Phillips into the 5m channel, bring Hartley into the lineout as an extra lifting option to help challenge the Tigers throws and place either Qera or Elsom to mark Wilkinson and hammer staight into the Tieers backline to cut off their attacking channels and give us an extra man at the breakdown area. Again combating the threat of Pocock. On Tigers attacking ball we wont look to challenge thw throw, instead we will target the ball carrier or have the extra defender in the backs to punish quick ball. We want to slow Tigers down and stop their gameplan.
BreakdownIn training we have identified Pocock as a major threat - so have picked a pack that can get to breakdown in numbers and faster than their Tigers counterparts - Domingo, Stevens and Parisse are all very mobile and will look to shut off the breakdown and secure our own ball. We will also have Elsom and Qera taking it in turns to specifically target Pocock, pull him off his feet, target the man and play the referee as we look for penalties.
Mike Phillips can add his physicality in this area too, we have picked him because he can be used effectively as another flanker and this is where we have to challenge and force Tigers into commiting more players then they'd like into this area. We also had tactics above to ensure that we have an extra backrower in the backline on Tigers lineout ball, this can create 2 on 1's and allow us to compete at the breakdown before Pocock arrives on scene!
AttackOur attack has two approaches, the first is to put us into scoring opportunities through a kick and chase game and pressurising the Tigers team into mistakes, penalties and errors and to capitalise on these mistakes by giving the ball to our backs. When Tigers defensive line aligns itself to prepare for the kick we will run the ball at the space that this creates, with Giteau running the game and putting Tuilagi, and the back three into space. This will keep Tigers guessing where the ball is going to go and give our key decision makers that extra bit of time to take the right option.
When we secure ball in the Tigers half we will keep hold of the ball through the forwards, working our way through the phases (e.g. Munster v Saints) and not taking any risks, slowly edging forwards. Mike Phillips to control the tempo and direction of the game and we will look to drag Tigers players into the rucks and mauls and get them playing to our strengths. We do not mind slow ball, but when opportunities arise we will use Albacete, Davies, Elsom, Qera and Parisse to add pace into the ball carrying, cross the gainline and secure quick ball for our backs to attack. The more slow ball we have the more Tigers could get impatient and give away penalties and free kicks, which Beauxis will punish them with.
The point it to mix up the attack to keep Tigers defence guessing, changing the tempo to suit our gameplan - slowing things down in the forwards to tie up Pocock and remove his threat at the turnover. We wont depend on quick ball, but instead will keep the ball, go through the phases when we are in Tigers half (whether ball in hand or defensively) and take all points on offer. Every chance we have we will take points, whether it be through Beauxis and Halfpenny penalties or relying on Beauxis to drop into the hole and drop some goals. If he misses we get the ball back from the 22 restart and can start going through the phases again.
DefenceWe will play our usual aggressive defensive system, but a lot of our work will be on a great kick and chase game. Beauxis has one of the biggest boots in Europe and when supported by Giteau and Halfpenny we will look to pile on defensive pressure on Tigers and pressurise them into errors. We will target Wilkinson and put him under pressure and have a man on him straight away because if we stop him playing then the Tigers backline wont function or be able to release their backthree. We also make them attack from deep - with Phillips sweeping behind any attacks and relying on Ashton and Foden's great defensive play to stop any linebreaks.
In the second half we will look to introduce Lawes in the no6 shirt so that he can terrorise the Tigers midfield with huge hits and force them into errors. All about pressure and putting this on Leicester in their own half.
Game Specific Tactics• Learnt lessons from last week and look to dominate the kicking game, recalled Beauxis to achieve this and have Giteau and Halfpenny to support. Can beat an out of sorts Wilkinson at this.
• Control territory and apply pressure – The game is going to be played deeply in the Tigers half as Beauxis plays us into the areas where our aggressive defence can force errors and in the right areas those errors turn into points. Beauxis place kicking will punish all mistakes and penalties.
• Stop the Tigers halfbacks - Phillips will drag Yachvilli into a physical battle, which he does not relish and by doing so we stop the Tigers creative spark as Wilkinson wont offer this. Phillips is on top form and outplayed the Frenchman the last time they met and will enjoy the game again. Wilkinson will be pressurised off Tigers attacking lineouts with either Elsom or Qera marking him out like Betsen did for France 5-6 years ago. Stopping quality ball getting to the Tigers backline is key.
* Stop any flow developing and force Tigers into our game plan - our tactics are all about playing the game that suits us, slowing down phases and generally creating a disjointed game that we can force Tigers into mistakes and play to our strengths e.g. developed a new strategy for the breakdown and Beauxis kicking the ball deep.
• Keep Scoreboard Ticking – Beauxis to kick three points at every single opportunity
Key Points• Tactics have been designed to play to our strengths and stop Leicester playing the game they set out to achieve in their own tactics - they are looking to get the ball to their backs as much as possible, whilst we are happy to do this by kicking it deep into their own half and letting them come at us from deep. We will also keep the ball in our forwards and completely frustrate Tigers by going through phase by phase with slow ball and just completlely stopping Tigers from developing any flow or structure to their gameplan.
• Our kicking game completely changes the Tigers defensive patterns - if we keep kicking deep then their backthree will all need to play deeper, with Giteau at 12 he can take advantage of this by attacking BOD and offloading to Tuilagi or Foden to then create 2on1's with the Tigers defence. Ashton, Halfpenny some of best finsihes in Europe. We have some of the best attacking threats in world rugby at our disposal and Giteau is absolutely key for this.
• Have leaders throughout the team Hartley, Davies, Albacete, Elsom, Parisse, Phillips, Giteau etc and with Webber, Hayman, Williams all having leadership experience we have enough players who know how to win big games away from home.
• Powerful bench that we will use to change the game as and when we need to. Will look to slow down the Tigers attack, make the game broken up and disjointed, punish the Tigers with our better kicking game and win the terrirtory battle.
Saracens v London Irish
Sunny, 6 Degrees, 12mph Winds
Saracens
Manager – Ozzy3213
| 01. Alex Corbisiero | 09. Morgan Parra |
| 02. Bismarck du Plessis | 10. Francois Trinh-Duc |
| 03. Adam Jones | |
| 04. Lionel Nallet | 11. Digby Ioane |
| 05. Steve Borthwick | 12. Ma'a Nonu |
| 06. Thierry Dusautoir | 13. Henry Trinder |
| 07. Tom Wood | 14. Tim Visser |
| 08. Joe van Niekerk (c) | 15. Tom Homer |
16. George Chuter 17. Tendai Mtwarira 18. Jannie du Plessis 19. Dave Attwood 20. Luke Narraway 21. Paul Hodgson 22. Patric Lambie 23. Mark Cueto
Tactics
Our generic gameplan revolves around a high intensity attacking and defensive game.
In attack our primary gameplan is always to control possession and run the ball, utilising big carriers attacking gaps in the line, and looking to offload to support runners to continue getting over the gainline and keep the ball alive. If the offload is not on, we will take the contact and look to recycle quickly at the breakdown. If running the ball is not on we will uitilise the kicking game of one of our backs to take us into the right area of the pitch.
In defence we will look to blitz, with our scrum half sweeping behind the defensive line. Key for us is line speed, getting up to make the tackle before the ball carrier hits the gainline, and confidence and trust in the man next to you in the defensive line, meaning we will not jump out or get pulled to far away from the next defender leaving gaps that can be exploited.
At the breakdown, we will not overcommit players. If the ball is not there to be won, then we will commit 1 or 2 players to legally slow it down whilst maintaining a strong defensive line across the pitch. If the ball looks like it is there to be won, we will look to get more numbers there quickly, with the first 1 or 2 players immediately rucking past the ball to clear the opposition players who are trying to get hands on it, and the next man in will then look to get it out quickly for us to counter attack on turnover ball.
We will look to really attack the scrum, both in attack and defence. We will not be looking to drop the scrum at all, and Joe van Niekerk in his role as captain will be talking to the referee constantly to ensure that he is aware that we want to scrummage. We will look to be aggressive in this area throughout.
Game Specific Tactics
- Bring Ioane and Visser in off their wings - We will look to get our wingers tracking the ball infield and supporting our big carriers looking for the offload and hitting the gaps created. We are looking at targetting the midfield area as we feel that for all SBW and Tait's attacking prowess, there are defensive weaknesses there with SBW in particular prone to jumping out of the line and leaving gaps that can be exploited.
- Kick for touch in behind the Irish wingers - We are not looking to play a kicking game as a general rule, but there will be occasions when we do need to. When this happens we will be kicking for touch in behind the Irish wingers and getting up quickly to stop the quick throw. We will then look to really contest the lineout and either win the ball or force Irish into kicking, which will either give us the ball infield and another chance to run it back, our a lineout on our throw, which we will look to secure and play again. We will not kick directly to JMH.
- Vary the point of attack and move the Irish pack around - Whilst our pack is not exactly light we consider the Irish pack to be quite a heavy one, and we will look to move them around the park to tire them more quickly. We will do this by varying our point of attack and utilising the pace and power in our backline to keep them having to make tackles, which is far more tiring than playing with ball in hand.
Key Points
- Home Advantage - We have not lost a home AP game since season 1. That is one defeat in nearly 40 matches. Vicarage Road is a fortress for us, and one that will take something special to breach.
- In Game Form - We come into this game off of the back of an away bonus point win at Franklins Gardens, an away win at Biarritz and a home mauling of Benetton Treviso. We are second in the table, and full of confidence for this one.
- Key Players - If you want to win the scrum and lineout battle and have a platform to play from then the hooker is a key man - 2. Bismarck du Plessis. In terms of controlling the game and dictating the tempo, you would look at the 8,9,10 axis - 8. Joe van Niekerk 9. Morgan Parra 10. Francois Trinh-Duc. We have real top quality in these positions which will allow us to control the game.
- Real Life Form/Injuries - None of the players in our starting XV are injured in real life, and all are in good form, with some in absolutely excellent form. Without getting into slating oppostion players, Fourie, Pienaar and Tait are all currently out injured, and I can't really remember when Fourie or Tait last completed 80 minutes. None of these are world class individuals (like Juan Smith) who would hold form for a while due to quality.
- Balance - We have good balance to our selections all across our team. A good blend of experience and youth throughout. A back three with two wingers who provide serious attacking threat, alongside a full back who is solid defensively and kicks well from hand. A midfield featuring the broadsword (Nonu) and the rapier (Trinder). A proven international class half back pairing. We also have 8 full internationals to bring off the bench if required.
N.B - Not a definite tactic to start, but if it looks as if Irish are going to try to throw big carriers down the 13 channel and target Trinder, we have the option of switching him and Ioane on defence, and having the powerful Australian line up inside with Trinder on the wing. If we do this an Irish still attempt to target Trinder in the outside channels by using big ball carrying forwards, we will really target the contact areas there for turnovers and look to strike quickly infield with the Irish forwards having to try to scramble back in on defence.
London Irish
Manager – stnick88
| 01. Soane Tonga'uhia | 09. Ruan Pienaar |
| 02. James Buckland | 10. Daniel Bowden |
| 03. Martin Castrogiovanni | |
| 04. Matt Garvey | 11. Bjorn Basson |
| 05. Nick Kennedy | 12. Sonny Bill Williams |
| 06. Jerome Kaino | 13. Matthew Tait |
| 07. Hendrie Fourie | 14. J.P Pieterson |
| 08. Pierre Spies | 15. Juan Martin Hernandez |
16. Jean Baptiste Poux 17. Neil Briggs 18. Duncan Bell 19. Mouritz Botha 20. David Sisi 21. Julien Dupuy 22. Jaque Fourie 23. Marland Yarde
Tactics
We travel to Vicarage Road full of confidence with 10 points from our last two games (BP wins over Wasps and Quins). We have picked a team to try and dominate the set piece and territory. We will look to play with ball in hand and not kick away loose ball, but build the phases using big ball carriers and force Sarries to make lots of tackles and commit men in defence before we spread the ball out and get the likes of SBW, Tait, J.P, Basson running.
We are targetting the scrum as an area to exploit. Castro gave Corbs all sorts of problems in real life a few weeks ago and will look to do the same again. With Tonga the other side, we have a powerful scrum that will look to drive Sarries backwards and win us some penalties for JMH to kick.
At the lineout we will have Kennedy calling the shots, supported by Garvey, Kaino and Spies. Kennedy will look to disrupt as much opposition ball as possible. In the opposition 22, we will look to secure the ball at the front and use the power of Castro, Tiny, Spies etc to maul the ball over the try line.
At the breakdown, we will use Kaino, Spies, Garvey etc to clear out the rucks quickly and allow Fourie in to secure good, quick ball and also to try and turnover oppositon ball. Any opposition ball will be counter attacked. We don't want to over commit to a ruck if the turnover is not on, but will try to legally slow down opposition ball. We have instructed Kaino to stop the hard running of Nonu. We have a lot of big tacklers like Kaino, Spies, Garvey, Fourie, SBW to stop Nonu building momentum which is where Saracens build a lot of their attacks off. We will also look to put big hits in on young Trinder and test his defence with SBW especially targetting him. Tait and J.P will track his runs and look to gather offloads, although similar to last week we have instructed SBW only to offload when it is on.
In attack, if our ball is slow, we will use the boots of Pienaar and JMH to kick in behind Sarries wingers as neither have good kicking games. Basson and JP will rush up on them and pressurise them.
Jaque Fourie will come on for Tait early in the 2nd half to bolster our midfield further and give us an extra dimension in attack and shore up our defence. JMH to kick all pens for goal if in range, if not go for touch.
Bath Rugby v Sale Sharks
Sunny Intervals, 7 Degrees, 4mph Winds
Bath Rugby
Manager – inthefastlane
| 01. Cian Healy | 09. Fourie Du Preez |
| 02. Kevin Mealamu | 10. Charlie Hodgson |
| 03. Euan Murray | |
| 04. Louis Deacon | 11. Ugo Monye |
| 05.Sam Whitelock | 12. Anthony Allen |
| 06. Dan Lydiate | 13. Aurelien Rougerie |
| 07. Steffon Armitage | 14. Maxime Medard |
| 08. Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe | 15. Kurtley Beale |
16 Jon Golding 17 Joe Ward 18 Petrus Du Plessis 19 Rob Simmons 20 Sean O’Brien 21 Richard Wigglesworth 22 Francois Steyn 23 Tom Varndell
Tactics
General
We'll look to use our big pack to build a base in order to get our backs into the game. We will play a backs based game. It will be really attacking, running rugby. We will look to be making good runs bringing our running back three into the game.
Set Piece
We have some of the on form scrummagers in the world and will look to use the scrum as a platform. We feel we can really use this to advantage . We feel a big part of our game will be the lineout. Lobbe and Whitelock are our main jumpers while Deacon offers a strong banker ball if needed. Simmons will maintain our dominance from the bench.
Other points
- Generate Quick Ball
- Look to slow Sale ball down with Armitage looking to create turnovers
- Look to get turnovers at the lineout
Sale Sharks
Manager – SJE
| 01. Marcos Ayerza | 09. Danny Care |
| 02. David Paice | 10. Johnny Sexton |
| 03. Luc Ducalcon | |
| 04. Romain Millo Chluski | 11. Keith Earls |
| 05. Christian Day | 12. James Hook |
| 06. Adam Thomson | 13. Robbie Freuen |
| 07. Fulgence Quedragao | 14. David Strettle |
| 08. Louis Picamoles | 15. Luke Rooney |
16. Lee Imolek 17. Brett Sharman 18. Neemia Tialata 19. Alun Wyn Jones 20. Matt Kvesic 21. Shaun Perry 22. Aaron Cruden 23. Nick Abendanoon
General Game Plan
On attack, we will look to control possession with our strong carrying game. We will look to our big carriers to get over the gain line and where possible offload to support runners breaking the defensive line and keeping our forward momentum going. If running the ball is not on we will look to the boots of Sexton and Hook to put us in the right areas.
On defence, we will use a blitz defence coming up at pace looking to isolate the ball carrier before he gets to the gain line stopping any momentum and allowing us to hit the breakdown hard. Danny Care will act as a sweeper to cover any grubbers behind the line while our back three will sit deep ready to run back any loose kicks.
At the breakdown, if the ball looks available we will look to seriously commit numbers to clear the ruck allowing Thomson and Quedragao to come in and secure us turnover ball. At all other times we will commit 1 or 2 to the breakdown and look to counter ruck legally slowing down Bath ball allowing our defensive line more time to set.
We will look to use the set piece as a weapon throughout. We will target the scrum with a technically strong front row looking to get in under and win the scrum battle. With 5 jumping options and a reliable thrower at hook we will look to attack from the lineout. We will look to mix things up bringing the ball down into the maul or playing the ball of the top and spreading it through the backs.
Key Points
• In Game Form – We have lost just twice in our last 8 outings being bonus point defeats at Vicarage Road in the league and at Kingsholm in the LDC Pete Cup. We come to the Rec looking to continue our great form and leave with another away win.
•Play the game in the right areas – We will look to the boots of Sexton and Hook and play the game inside Bath territory forcing Bath to play from deep. We will look to our pack to disrupt the opposition set piece and our backrow in particular to attack the breakdown. We will harass Hodgson into making mistakes, giving us fantastic attacking platforms to work from.... Care, Sexton and Hook do however have the brains and spark to play from deep when it is really on.
• Target the Bath wingers - We will look to test the Bath wingers out today both aerially and positionally. Sexton and Hook will look to send some high hanging balls to the corners and really test the Bath back 3 none of whom are particularly good under the highball. We will look to execute kick and chases and crossfield kicks into the corners when we see any of these 3 out of position. We have picked a side packed with pace to really get up on the chase. Keith Earls has been lined up against Medard to use his GAA skills (Irish footballing) and beat him to the ball in the air.
London Wasps v Harlequins
Sunny, 6 Degrees, 12mph Winds
London Wasps
Manager – ‘Arry
| 01. Perry Freshwater | 09. Luke Burgess |
| 02. Tatafu Polota-Nau | 10. Jimmy Gopperth |
| 03. Carlos Nieto | |
| 04. Mark Chisholm | 11. Lachie Turner |
| 05. Marco Wentzel (c) | 12. Luke McAlister |
| 06. Tom Johnson | 13. Jamie Roberts |
| 07. Deon Stegmann | 14. Tom Williams |
| 08. James Haskell | 15. Mike Brown |
16. Andy Titterell 17. Charlie Beech 18. CJ Van Der Linde 19. Richard Birkett 20. Roger Wilson 21. Mike Blair 22. Rory Clegg 23. Mike Tindall
Tactics
After losing away from home to a very impressive London Irish side last week we return to Adams Park where we are yet to lose so far this season. We have picked a dynamic, powerful and physical forward pack which will work very hard at rucks and winning us set piece ball at scrum time and lineout. We feel that if we can assert ourselves physically and win the forward battle, providing our backs with a solid platform we will be able to beat Harlequins. We will look to attack in numbers, we have plenty of powerful and dynamic carriers in our pack who will get us over the gain line and set us out a solid platform to build from. We have plenty of grit in our team and feel that if we can push Quins onto the back foot by winning the forward battle and collisions we will be able to unsettle them.
Our game plan is based around using the power we have in our team to set out a platform for our backs to be able to attack from. We will look to use the set piece as a platform for attacks. Our front row is a very good scrummaging unit and we will hopefully be able to build attacks from there and earn some penalties for Gopperth to make use of. Our pack will be physical and relentless up front, we will play with controlled aggression. We will look to our forwards to get us onto the front foot by attacking in groups with some grunt and powerful carrying, getting us over the gain line. We will start as we mean to go on with high intensity, hitting the collision area hard and driving our players over the gain line. We will look to recycle the ball efficiently within the pack taking the ball through plenty of phases to wear Harlequins down.
We have two excellent kicking options in Gopperth and McAlister who will kick in behind the Harlequins wingers and keep them pinned back where we will look to isolate and pressurize them into making mistakes in their own half. We will look to hit the rucks hard and compete when we can, Deon Stegmann with his low centre of gravity will look to compete hard at the breakdown, any turnovers we do make we will look to get the ball out wide and attack the space available. At rucks on our own ball we will look to secure the ball by coming from low to high to present Burgess with clean, quick ball and get our forwards running onto the ball at different angles to pierce the Quins defence.
In the forwards we will look to drive our carriers over the gain line and really look to win the collisions. We have plenty of dynamic carriers such as Polota-Nau, Haskell and Johnson. Gopperth will look to bring in our strike runners in McAlister and Roberts. If it is on we will look to offload the ball to the supporting players and keep Harlequins working off the ball in defence. We will look for the in form Roberts to target the lightweight centre partnership of Quins and run hard at them, staying strong in the contact area and either offloading if he wins the collision, or the support players will keep driving him on, building up momentum and speed in our attacks. With the ball in hand we will look to our strike runners such as McAlister to attack gaps and half gaps in their defence targeting the outside shoulder of the Quins players. We will also be sending our big carriers in Quade Cooper’s direction.
So long as our ball carriers have the support, we will look to pierce gaps in the Quins defensive line and offload to supporting players, keeping the ball alive as much as possible. We will look to get our offloading game going to alternate the point of attack and keep Quins working off the ball in defence and pierce the gaps we have created. With quick ball and offloading we will look to create and expose mismatches in the midfield. Our mobile and dynamic back row will look to support our ball carriers, taking offloads and powerfully driving forward. We will ensure our ball carriers have plenty of support in each phase, so they we can continue to play an offloading game. Any loose kicks our back three get will be returned with interest. We have plenty of pace in our back three and will look to use them when we can.
At lineouts we will look to exert as much pressure as possible on the Quins throws with Wentzel looking to steal some opposition throws. On our own throw we will use Wentzel as our main go to man but will mix it up by using Chisholm, Haskell and Johnson. From there we will look to slowly sap the energy out of Harlequins by using the rolling maul. We will look to suck in as many Quins defenders to open up spaces elsewhere for us to attack. We’ll look to really target the set piece and create a platform, we feel that we can gain an advantage here, if we get a nudge on we will look to keep them going backwards. Our back row will look to really get in Coopers face and put him off of his game. We will ensure our discipline is exemplary. We will play hard rugby but ensure we play by the rules, discipline will be key. We feel that if our forwards can get us onto the front foot we have the half backs who will keep their cool and manage our game.
Harlequins
Manager – Steven_Sharks
| 01. Tony Woodcock | 09. Lee Dickson |
| 02. Matthew Rees | 10. Quade Cooper |
| 03. John Afoa | |
| 04. Jerome Thion | 11. Cedric Heymans |
| 05. George Skivington | 12. Riki Flutey |
| 06. Francois Louw | 13. Anthony Faainga |
| 07. Sam Warburton (c) | 14. Jonathan Joseph |
| 08. Phil Dowson | 15. Rhys Priestland (k) |
16. Rob Vickers 17. Joe Marler 18. Brian Mujati 19. Nathan Sharpe 20. Carl Fearns 21. Karl Dickson 22. Felipe Contepomi 23. George Lowe
Tactics
We go to Wasps knowing what a formidable challenge we face against who have been one of the surprise package of the season so far along with ourselves. We know Wasps play a strong game organised around their half back pairing and they use there powerful carriers to punch holes in the midfield and then move to exploit an unorganised defence. We have set our game plan to try and move Wasps out of their comfort zone by putting big
pressure upon their half backs and midfield in defence and by moving the point of our attack around the field.
Game Plan
As usual we want to use our forwards to get us onto the front foot so we can throw the ball wide to our back 3 and we want to look to move the Wasps pack around the field as much as possible. We will look for our forwards to carry away from the breakdown of the shoulders of 10 and 12 far more often than we might usually. We will look to switch the point of attack constantly with Dickson, Cooper, Priestland and Flutey in control of this. We will be looking for our forwards to be running different angles and different depths to keep the Wasps defence guessing. Once we get quick ball we are going to unleash our backline into the game and look to get into spaces out wide where we can isolate the Wasps defenders. We want to maintain a high tempo in attack with players looking to carry the ball at pace and coming at different angles. Cooper is the perfect 10 to control our game and put other men into space and change our point of attack.
We will look to be patient in implementing this game plan but at the same time if we are going know where then we will look to use the cultured boots of Cooper, Priestland, Dickson and Flutey to put us into the right areas of the pitch. As usual we will not kick aimlessly and when kicking we will either clear to touch or kick into spaces. We are also going to look to kick in an attacking sense putting up and unders up and using crossfields and grubber kicks when we feel our attacking shape isn’t there and we are lacking momentum. We are going to look to keep the scoreboard ticking over with penalties to build pressure on Wasps. Our defensive game plan is to disrupt Wasps in every way. We want our pack to challenge every ruck and Set piece as well as having our defensive line coming up at pace.
Forwards
We have picked a big pack which I also consider to be quite mobile and this is important to our game plan as our forwards are going to be asked to carry the ball in wider areas than they might usually. We will look to carry in numbers and aim to win the collision and then keep driving our legs once we have reached contact. When we get the chance we will still look to offload to continue our attacks. We are going to look for our front 5 to carry of 10 and 12 with our back row looking to do the carrying off 12 and 13. We will look for our pack to be really aggressive and front up to Wasps and really try and knock them backwards from the word go. With our game plan of changing the point of attack we need to use 3 men in a ruck so secure quick ball. We are going to look to get Warburton and Louw to dominate the breakdown and secure us penalties and turnovers which we can turn into points.
Set Piece
At the scrum we are going to really look to get the shove on with our experienced and tough front row. We will look for both of our props to try to get underneath there opponent particularly John Afoa who will have the force of Jerome Thion behind him. If we do get a scrum advantage we will look to go up on the Tighthead side so Dowson can pick up and run at Wasps with more space available to him.
At the Lineout we will use 5 man lines inbetween both 22’s with the two props either end and Skivington, Thion and Dowson being the jumpers used inbetween them. This allows us to use Louw and Warburton in the midfield on the first phase if required. When in our own 22 or the opposition 22 we will look to use a full line so as we have the option to use a driving maul to gain us some ground. On the opposition ball we will look to compete with Skivington marking Wentzel to attempt to make Wasps look to other jumpers whom Thion, Louw and Dowson will then look to pressure.
Backs
In the backs we have our key decision makers at 9 10 and 12 and we will run our plays through them. A move we will look to use is for Faainga to cut lines back across the defence so Flutey can swing round and Cooper can pick Flutey out behind Faainga when we want to run wide. Using this we suck in defenders and it gives Flutey the chance to feed the back 3 in a bit more space. We can also give the ball to Faainga to make the hard yards as well as having floating forwards picking lines off Cooper and Flutey. From first phase ball we will look to bring Priestland and the blindside wing into play as runners who can be used to carry or be used as decoys. We will look to have Preistland in the line when we are attacking so we have another creative player involved unlocking the Wasps defence.
Defence
We have some really strong defensive players in this game and we will look for them to marshall our defence. Louw and Faainga will be in charge of our defence during the game and will rearrange our defensive line up if we are weak in a particular area. We will play with a quick line speed particularly looking to put pressure on the Wasps decision makers. We have reinforced our midfield defence with Flutey and Faiinga and I can’t see anybody making any headway through this channel so Wasps will have to re assess their strategy. We will look to try and smash Wasps runners backwards by adapting a low body position. This will give us a target for our forwards to hit to disrupt Wasps ball. We will have our back 3 sitting very deep to capitalise on loose kicks with Dickson sweeping behind the defensive line. In defence Priestland will move to 10 and Cooper will move to 15 as he does with the Reds. When the ball is kicked to Heymans, Cooper and Joseph we have one of the most exciting attacking units you could ask for to run the ball back to wasps with interest.
Subs
We have some great impact players on the bench who will be introduced into the second half. We also have the electric Karl Dickson to bring on if we need to up the tempo anymore as well as very powerful carriers in Marler, Mujati, Fearns and Lowe.
Key Points
• Constantly move the point of attack with both backs and forwards looking to move the point of attack. Cooper is key to this and will run the show for us.
• Move the Wasps pack around by using our forward s to carry in the midfield.
• Build pressure on Wasps in attack and defence. We want our forwards to disrupt wasps at every opportunity.
• Only kick when it gives us an obvious advantage or to clear our lines. Absolutely no loose kicking and when we do kick we chase as a line.
• Use Flutey coming behind Faainga to unleash our back line and Kearney who will join the line.
• Dominate the breakdown will Louw and Warburton looking to get on the ball and legally recover possession.
• Keep a high tempo to our game in attack and defence.
• Be very physical with wasps and play in their faces.
• Use our bench at the right time. Impact players galore.
• Kick the points when we can.
Opposition Specific Tactics
- We don't see a genuine breakdown specialist in the Wasps pack so we are going to really look to get on top in this area.
- Try to kick into the gaps behind the wasps back 3. We think we can gain territory by forcing the Wasps wingers into kicking which we don't see as their strength.
- Really target Charlie Beech if he comes off the bench. Afoa and Mujati will really cause him problems.
- Press onto Gopperth and McAllister and give them as little time as possible.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Dec 2011, 9:25 am
Some of the statements just make me laugh, far superior etc. Nothing bad fella, I just like your self belief!
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Re: AP Round 10
by dammit_chris Fri 02 Dec 2011, 9:27 am
LLL not really sure of the point you are making - if you read my tactics then I am kicking deep to push your backthree deeper, and then Giteau will start running the ball and atttacking your midfield to send my runners in behind them with ball in hand.
There will be a lot of kicking in my game plan, but that is because I am wanting to play the game in Tigers terriroty where every error you make can be turned into points.
Pressure. Territory. Aggressive Defence. Taking Points.
There will be a lot of kicking in my game plan, but that is because I am wanting to play the game in Tigers terriroty where every error you make can be turned into points.
Pressure. Territory. Aggressive Defence. Taking Points.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Guest Fri 02 Dec 2011, 9:35 am
Pooly we both have players in certain positions that are far superior.
For me 8,9,10,12 are where I try and get quality.my first ever purchases in this game were DC and Hari.
You have a superior back 3 than me today it's all about balance
For me 8,9,10,12 are where I try and get quality.my first ever purchases in this game were DC and Hari.
You have a superior back 3 than me today it's all about balance
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Re: AP Round 10
by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Dec 2011, 9:55 am
Hari far superior than Read?
Genia far superior than Youngs?
Carter far superior than Evans?
Up to others to reckon that I guess, that's what's the game is all about!
Not looking for patter battle fella.
Genia far superior than Youngs?
Carter far superior than Evans?
Up to others to reckon that I guess, that's what's the game is all about!
Not looking for patter battle fella.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:01 am
I was too busy laughing mate, must have forgot that one. I noticed you stopped at 12 though.....wonder why? Lol
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Re: AP Round 10
by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:05 am
Past 8 you might you cheeky git! No players in our match from either side are "far superior"!!!!
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Re: AP Round 10
by stnick88 Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:06 am
wouldnt say hari is far superior than read!
but the 9,10,12 are better, not sure 'far superior' though!
but the 9,10,12 are better, not sure 'far superior' though!
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Re: AP Round 10
by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:28 am
All to do with how you deploy your players also. How much ball will Genia/Carter see with nobody contesting at breakdown and getting smashed in the scrum?
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Re: AP Round 10
by stnick88 Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:33 am
yeh Pete how much ball is Nonu going to see with Castro and Tiny destroying your scrum?!
only joking son.
only joking son.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:35 am
I'm sure Nonu will cope, but your players will all be thirsty as we have tied the shoe laces of your water carriers together, so there! 
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Re: AP Round 10
by Guest Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:42 am
Sgt_Pooly wrote:All to do with how you deploy your players also. How much ball will Genia/Carter see with nobody contesting at breakdown and getting smashed in the scrum?
Bonnaire and hari outplayed nz backrow in final and schalk burger has been voted worlds best player when playing 7 so breakdown will be fine.
As for the scrum two of the worlds best props vs saints 2nd choice tight head and France's 2nd choice loosehead let me think???
Thought you were not starting banter ??? Also I did not think banter was allowed on predo day??
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:47 am
Banter is not allowed once predos are open. SJE has not been on this morning to update the match thread with the outstanding teams and tactics so hasn't officially opened predos, but I reckon that as the teams are all in on the thread that predos should now be open, as people are quite capable of looking at the posts to see teams/tactics without them being on the OP.
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Re: AP Round 10
by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:53 am
Pete as your on can you sticky part 2 of this weeks match thread please 
Predictions Open
Banter should finish midnight Thursday guys as all teams and tactics should be in by then and technically predictions are open. Let ye off this week
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Predictions Open
Banter should finish midnight Thursday guys as all teams and tactics should be in by then and technically predictions are open. Let ye off this week
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Re: AP Round 10
by Driver Fri 02 Dec 2011, 10:54 am
First few predictions might even get a prize not always a good one.
not always a good one.
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Re: AP Round 10
by dammit_chris Fri 02 Dec 2011, 11:21 am
Exeter 17 - 16 Worcester
Really tense, tight affair in this game. If O'Gara hadnt been playing so well in recent big games then the result could have been different - can just see him controlling terriroty and the scoreboard with his boot. Really narrow win, lots of errors and Exeter just win.
Saracens 23 - 21 London Irish
Interesting game, both teams have got their tactics spot on. With Trinder, Visser and Homer in the backline I think that Irish have missed out the chance to bully them a bit more, not sure if Basteraud is injured, but he could have been key with Tait moving to wing. Think Sarries have enough class in halfbacks and Nonu's experience to see them through. Great battle of the packs too.
Bath 18-19 Sale
I think that Bath have the better team, with some more threatening players, but the issue I have is that I dont really get a feel of where they are going with their tactics apart from playing running rugby. SJE goes into a lot more depth and I think tactics are just as important as naming a great team. Sorry ITFL but if you go into more detail with your tactics then you will get more favourable predictions from me. Narrow away win for Sale.
Wasps 25 - 26 Quins
Really don't think Gopperth is the option for Arry at 10, he will kill off any backs moves and put too much pressure on McAlister who for me is the sole play maker in the Wasps team and in great conditions I don't see where the tries will come from to allow Wasps to win this. Brown and Williams are both good club players. On the other hand Quade Cooper could run the show for Quins. Gopperth's boot to keep scoreboard ticking over, but Quins will score more tries and have a really good impact bench.
Newcastle 29 - 29 Gloucester
Sorry can't split it - looking at the teams both have better areas than others - I think the front fives are really quite even, though an edge to Gloucester at the set piece, backrows are a brutal battlew ith both offering different options in defence and attack. Halfbacks go to Mat, and Barnes is a key player and takes pressure off Carter too. Though 11, 14, 13 and 15 you have more try scoring threat from Pooly.
Like both sets of tactics, and though Gloucester would have more control in the game because of their 8,9,10, 12 combo I think Newcastle have enough to hang on for a draw, but certainly not enough to beat Gloucester.
Really tense, tight affair in this game. If O'Gara hadnt been playing so well in recent big games then the result could have been different - can just see him controlling terriroty and the scoreboard with his boot. Really narrow win, lots of errors and Exeter just win.
Saracens 23 - 21 London Irish
Interesting game, both teams have got their tactics spot on. With Trinder, Visser and Homer in the backline I think that Irish have missed out the chance to bully them a bit more, not sure if Basteraud is injured, but he could have been key with Tait moving to wing. Think Sarries have enough class in halfbacks and Nonu's experience to see them through. Great battle of the packs too.
Bath 18-19 Sale
I think that Bath have the better team, with some more threatening players, but the issue I have is that I dont really get a feel of where they are going with their tactics apart from playing running rugby. SJE goes into a lot more depth and I think tactics are just as important as naming a great team. Sorry ITFL but if you go into more detail with your tactics then you will get more favourable predictions from me. Narrow away win for Sale.
Wasps 25 - 26 Quins
Really don't think Gopperth is the option for Arry at 10, he will kill off any backs moves and put too much pressure on McAlister who for me is the sole play maker in the Wasps team and in great conditions I don't see where the tries will come from to allow Wasps to win this. Brown and Williams are both good club players. On the other hand Quade Cooper could run the show for Quins. Gopperth's boot to keep scoreboard ticking over, but Quins will score more tries and have a really good impact bench.
Newcastle 29 - 29 Gloucester
Sorry can't split it - looking at the teams both have better areas than others - I think the front fives are really quite even, though an edge to Gloucester at the set piece, backrows are a brutal battlew ith both offering different options in defence and attack. Halfbacks go to Mat, and Barnes is a key player and takes pressure off Carter too. Though 11, 14, 13 and 15 you have more try scoring threat from Pooly.
Like both sets of tactics, and though Gloucester would have more control in the game because of their 8,9,10, 12 combo I think Newcastle have enough to hang on for a draw, but certainly not enough to beat Gloucester.
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Re: AP Round 10
by LukeLovesLuka Fri 02 Dec 2011, 12:27 pm
Exeter 18 - 18 Worcester
Massive game for both teams. See it being quite a nervy affair. I see Exeter having an advantage in the front five, although think Worcester have the better lineout options. I really like Worcester's back row, and see them taking the upper hand here. HB's is tough to call, edge to Worcester but ROG's form makes it close. Think Exeter have a bit more about them in the backs. Overall there are some close calls, and am struggling to seperate, sorry.
Saracens 25 - 22 Irish
Front row battle worth entrance fee alone. Edge to irish with their props. Sarries have more about them in the second row, but the back row battle is mouth watering - can't seperate overall. I prefer Sarries' tried and tested HB combo. Sarries form in the backs is so strong ruight now, and see Ioane and Nonu causing Irish problems all day. Tight in the packs, but for me Sarries have more about them in the backs and take the win.
Bath 26 - 20 Sale
Massive case of form vs lack of form for me. Bath, right through their side, have some of the form players in the world, and at home see them gaining a big advantage here. Back row battle will be huge, but as will the crucial HB battle, but I just think Bath have that bit too much for Sale today.
Wasps 22 - 22 Harlequins
This is a really tough game to call. Front rows are difficult to call, as are the second rows. Maybe slight edge to Quins in the back rows due to Warburton's form - see him really getting the better of Stegmann. I do prefer Quins HB's too, but not sure on the decision to play Cooper at the minute. Wasps centres will have a field day for me, but Quins back three looks the more dangerous. Home advantage is crucial, but not sure it's enough for the win, sorry.
Newcastle 23 - 22 Gloucester
Sensational game with great battles all over the pitch. Matt's decision to play Dawadiuk is an odd one, and for me gives the advanatage to Falcons up front. Gloucester will take the linout though with Hari and Bonnaire dominant. More form in Newcastle's engine room. Back row would be a joy to watch - Matt is right to pick up on the WC final. HB's another great contest - form playing a part for Genia and Evans. Bit more about Newcaste's back line with JSD not playing, Sharples not in the form he was, and May's first game at FB (?). Bit confused with Matt's tactics as he says he wants to keep the ball in hand, but then says Carter will kick often. Packs have down as even, HB's to Gloucester, with Falcons taking the backs unit. Only thing that sepeartes these two cracking sides is home advantage.
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Massive game for both teams. See it being quite a nervy affair. I see Exeter having an advantage in the front five, although think Worcester have the better lineout options. I really like Worcester's back row, and see them taking the upper hand here. HB's is tough to call, edge to Worcester but ROG's form makes it close. Think Exeter have a bit more about them in the backs. Overall there are some close calls, and am struggling to seperate, sorry.
Saracens 25 - 22 Irish
Front row battle worth entrance fee alone. Edge to irish with their props. Sarries have more about them in the second row, but the back row battle is mouth watering - can't seperate overall. I prefer Sarries' tried and tested HB combo. Sarries form in the backs is so strong ruight now, and see Ioane and Nonu causing Irish problems all day. Tight in the packs, but for me Sarries have more about them in the backs and take the win.
Bath 26 - 20 Sale
Massive case of form vs lack of form for me. Bath, right through their side, have some of the form players in the world, and at home see them gaining a big advantage here. Back row battle will be huge, but as will the crucial HB battle, but I just think Bath have that bit too much for Sale today.
Wasps 22 - 22 Harlequins
This is a really tough game to call. Front rows are difficult to call, as are the second rows. Maybe slight edge to Quins in the back rows due to Warburton's form - see him really getting the better of Stegmann. I do prefer Quins HB's too, but not sure on the decision to play Cooper at the minute. Wasps centres will have a field day for me, but Quins back three looks the more dangerous. Home advantage is crucial, but not sure it's enough for the win, sorry.
Newcastle 23 - 22 Gloucester
Sensational game with great battles all over the pitch. Matt's decision to play Dawadiuk is an odd one, and for me gives the advanatage to Falcons up front. Gloucester will take the linout though with Hari and Bonnaire dominant. More form in Newcastle's engine room. Back row would be a joy to watch - Matt is right to pick up on the WC final. HB's another great contest - form playing a part for Genia and Evans. Bit more about Newcaste's back line with JSD not playing, Sharples not in the form he was, and May's first game at FB (?). Bit confused with Matt's tactics as he says he wants to keep the ball in hand, but then says Carter will kick often. Packs have down as even, HB's to Gloucester, with Falcons taking the backs unit. Only thing that sepeartes these two cracking sides is home advantage.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Driver Fri 02 Dec 2011, 12:53 pm
Hope theres room Luke on that fence as it looks like i''ll be joining you!
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Re: AP Round 10
by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Dec 2011, 2:13 pm
Exeter 23 - 24 Worcester
Upfront is a tight game with the edge to Exeter on the scrum and Worcester and the lineout. Worcester's pack has by far the better carriers in its pack but I like Jennings as a scavanger and he will win Exeter some ball. I prefer the Worcester half backs and think Steyn will kick Worcester into the right areas and think Cowan will control the game a little better than Phipps. ROG is playing well but the late drop goals are over exaggerating his form. He is playing well but still not as gooder player as Steyn for me. I prefer the Exeter centres as i don't really like Lamont at 12 and Clarke isn't playing as well as he did last season. Both sets of half backs are electric but most are really lacking form. I also give the advantage to the Worcester bench but not by much. Close game.
Leicester 29 - 28 Northampton
Upfront its a good battle which I think that Leicester edge. Scrum will just go to Leicester and same with the lineout. I like the Northampton pack in the loose and think it is better than Leicester's in that respect but feel Leicester will do well at the breakdown. Half backs go to Tigers but I prefer the Saints centres by a large margin. Back 3 also is just in Saints favour. I think the game will be high scorer and the better Saints outside backs brings it close.
Saracens 23 - 22 London Irish
The scrum will be fascinating. Corbs for me is the weak link in the props (that shows the standard of the props on show) but the gulf in class between BDP and Buckland brings the scrum to evens. I see the 2nd rows as even with probably a slight advantage to Saracens, with the back rows also being level. I think that the lineout will be a close affair with perhaps a marginal advantage to Irish. Overall neither pack really gets on top, with Saracens slightly edging it if anybody does. half backs go to Saracens with a tried and trusted pair and the centres are also a great battle with WC players at 12 and talented runners at 13. I prefer the Irish back 3 but Ioane is the standout player there. In the end its a really tough call which goes Sarries way.
Bath 20 - 20 Sale Sharks
This one is slightly marred by the lack of depth in tactics from 207, who with a decent set of tactics would have win won this game well as his side is excellent. I prefer the Bath pack in all areas. The half backs are pretty even with a marginal advantage to Sale and the Centres go to Sale with a very good combo who will complement each other. The back 3 goes to Bath with a very talented unit. Has to be called a draw sadly.
Newcastle 25 - 27 Gloucester
Really good battle up front, prefer the Gloucester props but there is a gulf in class at hooker. The scrum will be round about even I think and I think both of tightheads on the bench will get a good advantage over the looseheads who come off the bench. I prefer Gloucester's locks with Bakkies and Thorn as even but I prefer Palmer to Parling. Back rows are also even with Bonnaire better than Robshaw, McCaw better than Burger and Hari just about above Read atm. I think the Lineout will be in Gloucester favour with 3 really top class jumpers in Bonnaire, Hari and Palmer. I prefer the Newcastle front 5 as carriers with Thorn and Servat standing out and I prefer the Gloucester back 3 as carriers but think the breakdown will likely go the way of Falcons.
Half backs go to Gloucester with the unrivaled pairing in this league. Centres are one a piece as individuals but I like the controlling 12 and I think that Barritt is a weaker link in the midfield for Newcastle than Kahui is for Gloucester. I much prefer the Newcastle back 3 and this is also probably unrivaled in this league. Gloucester probably have the quicker back 3 and this will see them finish the chances they get. I just about prefer the Gloucester bench and both sets of tactics get the best out of their teams. Great game and a impressive away win for Matt and his boys.
Upfront is a tight game with the edge to Exeter on the scrum and Worcester and the lineout. Worcester's pack has by far the better carriers in its pack but I like Jennings as a scavanger and he will win Exeter some ball. I prefer the Worcester half backs and think Steyn will kick Worcester into the right areas and think Cowan will control the game a little better than Phipps. ROG is playing well but the late drop goals are over exaggerating his form. He is playing well but still not as gooder player as Steyn for me. I prefer the Exeter centres as i don't really like Lamont at 12 and Clarke isn't playing as well as he did last season. Both sets of half backs are electric but most are really lacking form. I also give the advantage to the Worcester bench but not by much. Close game.
Leicester 29 - 28 Northampton
Upfront its a good battle which I think that Leicester edge. Scrum will just go to Leicester and same with the lineout. I like the Northampton pack in the loose and think it is better than Leicester's in that respect but feel Leicester will do well at the breakdown. Half backs go to Tigers but I prefer the Saints centres by a large margin. Back 3 also is just in Saints favour. I think the game will be high scorer and the better Saints outside backs brings it close.
Saracens 23 - 22 London Irish
The scrum will be fascinating. Corbs for me is the weak link in the props (that shows the standard of the props on show) but the gulf in class between BDP and Buckland brings the scrum to evens. I see the 2nd rows as even with probably a slight advantage to Saracens, with the back rows also being level. I think that the lineout will be a close affair with perhaps a marginal advantage to Irish. Overall neither pack really gets on top, with Saracens slightly edging it if anybody does. half backs go to Saracens with a tried and trusted pair and the centres are also a great battle with WC players at 12 and talented runners at 13. I prefer the Irish back 3 but Ioane is the standout player there. In the end its a really tough call which goes Sarries way.
Bath 20 - 20 Sale Sharks
This one is slightly marred by the lack of depth in tactics from 207, who with a decent set of tactics would have win won this game well as his side is excellent. I prefer the Bath pack in all areas. The half backs are pretty even with a marginal advantage to Sale and the Centres go to Sale with a very good combo who will complement each other. The back 3 goes to Bath with a very talented unit. Has to be called a draw sadly.
Newcastle 25 - 27 Gloucester
Really good battle up front, prefer the Gloucester props but there is a gulf in class at hooker. The scrum will be round about even I think and I think both of tightheads on the bench will get a good advantage over the looseheads who come off the bench. I prefer Gloucester's locks with Bakkies and Thorn as even but I prefer Palmer to Parling. Back rows are also even with Bonnaire better than Robshaw, McCaw better than Burger and Hari just about above Read atm. I think the Lineout will be in Gloucester favour with 3 really top class jumpers in Bonnaire, Hari and Palmer. I prefer the Newcastle front 5 as carriers with Thorn and Servat standing out and I prefer the Gloucester back 3 as carriers but think the breakdown will likely go the way of Falcons.
Half backs go to Gloucester with the unrivaled pairing in this league. Centres are one a piece as individuals but I like the controlling 12 and I think that Barritt is a weaker link in the midfield for Newcastle than Kahui is for Gloucester. I much prefer the Newcastle back 3 and this is also probably unrivaled in this league. Gloucester probably have the quicker back 3 and this will see them finish the chances they get. I just about prefer the Gloucester bench and both sets of tactics get the best out of their teams. Great game and a impressive away win for Matt and his boys.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Driver Fri 02 Dec 2011, 2:25 pm
Leicester 21 Northampton 20
Tough call this one and it would be splitting hairs to pick a winner in a even contest. Reading the tactics i don't think Chris will be kicking that much ball away mainly because my Seaton team play the same sort of game plan lol. If i was to pick faults it would be Domingo not having any form to speak of and Cips has a better tactical kicking game than BAuxise. Luke Florian Fritz just doesn't do anything for me that would suggest he is better than Giteau but as a crash ball he is pretty handy. But welford road is a tough place to go so Tigers steal it with JW drop at the end
Saracens 28 London Irish 24
Epic in one word - pretty evens up front but form in Sarries backs in some real life form and Parra T/D stand out as a combo also Ioane on fire!. Pluses for Pete is a well balanced pack and inform backline. Nick's pluses are good controlling half backs , potential quality centre combo if tait comes back fireing and a well balanced back 3.
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Tough call this one and it would be splitting hairs to pick a winner in a even contest. Reading the tactics i don't think Chris will be kicking that much ball away mainly because my Seaton team play the same sort of game plan lol. If i was to pick faults it would be Domingo not having any form to speak of and Cips has a better tactical kicking game than BAuxise. Luke Florian Fritz just doesn't do anything for me that would suggest he is better than Giteau but as a crash ball he is pretty handy. But welford road is a tough place to go so Tigers steal it with JW drop at the end
Saracens 28 London Irish 24
Epic in one word - pretty evens up front but form in Sarries backs in some real life form and Parra T/D stand out as a combo also Ioane on fire!. Pluses for Pete is a well balanced pack and inform backline. Nick's pluses are good controlling half backs , potential quality centre combo if tait comes back fireing and a well balanced back 3.
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Re: AP Round 10
by dammit_chris Fri 02 Dec 2011, 2:57 pm
Drats forgot to mention in my tactics when subs would be coming on! Lol, would have solved the Domingo issue - never mind!
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Re: AP Round 10
by prop_lyd Fri 02 Dec 2011, 6:03 pm
Tigers 29-26 Saints
I see the half-backs controlling well and the home advantage seeing Tigers home. Saints kept in this by a very strong back 3.
Sarries 30-25 Irish
Sarries do ooze class all over however, I do see the Irish lineout causing all sorts of problems for Sarries and getting the lbp.
Bath 18-16 Sale
Sale's half-back pairing see them race into a lead but Bath's front 5 claw back an impressive victory.
Wasps 20-17 Quins
Quins half backs better but I see Wasp's centres having a field day and their tactics are spot on.
Falcons 20-19 Gloucester
Very very hard to predict!! I see Dawiduk as a weakness because he is good but needs to perform consistently against the big names first! Glos have an exciting back 3 who i'd love to watch but it's Newcastle's centres and superior bench which sees them home with the home advantage.....just.
I see the half-backs controlling well and the home advantage seeing Tigers home. Saints kept in this by a very strong back 3.
Sarries 30-25 Irish
Sarries do ooze class all over however, I do see the Irish lineout causing all sorts of problems for Sarries and getting the lbp.
Bath 18-16 Sale
Sale's half-back pairing see them race into a lead but Bath's front 5 claw back an impressive victory.
Wasps 20-17 Quins
Quins half backs better but I see Wasp's centres having a field day and their tactics are spot on.
Falcons 20-19 Gloucester
Very very hard to predict!! I see Dawiduk as a weakness because he is good but needs to perform consistently against the big names first! Glos have an exciting back 3 who i'd love to watch but it's Newcastle's centres and superior bench which sees them home with the home advantage.....just.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Driver Fri 02 Dec 2011, 7:49 pm
Bath 16 Sale 16
Bath would run away with this but the tactics let them down a bit. needs more detail if you want to be a top 4 side.
London Wasps 20 Harlequins 22
Wasps are in real danger of becoming a 10 man team if they persue with Goppereth he's in terrible nick. Prefare quins team and think they have tactics spot on.
Newcastle 29 Gloucester 25
Both great teams and tactics but a massive advantage at the scrum for Falcons and home advantage seals a win.
Bath would run away with this but the tactics let them down a bit. needs more detail if you want to be a top 4 side.
London Wasps 20 Harlequins 22
Wasps are in real danger of becoming a 10 man team if they persue with Goppereth he's in terrible nick. Prefare quins team and think they have tactics spot on.
Newcastle 29 Gloucester 25
Both great teams and tactics but a massive advantage at the scrum for Falcons and home advantage seals a win.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Dec 2011, 8:31 pm
Exeter Chiefs 15 Worcester Warriors 19
Man for man I don't see a huge amount between the teams in this one. As I read somebody earlier say, I think this could be quite a nervy affair. So one thing I am looking at in trying to decide a result is the relative experiences of the players and who will hold their nerve best. Also given the accuracy of the kickers, who will give away the fewest penalties will be important. I have to look at the fact that I can see BJ Botha earning scrum penalties against Sheridan, and I can see Shaw and Moody coughing up a few at the breakdown and give the edge to Worcester in the penalty count.
Not sure I can see a try in the Chiefs team in this one, particularly given the tactic of - 'Use our big midfield to bash our way up the middle and pull defenders in to create gaps for Toeava , Fitzgerald and Byrne to pick there lines off.' I just don't see D'Arcy and Bell sucking enough defenders in to create the gaps to be honest and think that Lamont and Clarke will deal with them comfortably. I see the likes of Williams or Habana as more likely to create a tryscoring chance from nothing. Exeter get a plus for home advantage but I just think that Worcester will dog this one out and head home with a valuable 4 points.
Man for man I don't see a huge amount between the teams in this one. As I read somebody earlier say, I think this could be quite a nervy affair. So one thing I am looking at in trying to decide a result is the relative experiences of the players and who will hold their nerve best. Also given the accuracy of the kickers, who will give away the fewest penalties will be important. I have to look at the fact that I can see BJ Botha earning scrum penalties against Sheridan, and I can see Shaw and Moody coughing up a few at the breakdown and give the edge to Worcester in the penalty count.
Not sure I can see a try in the Chiefs team in this one, particularly given the tactic of - 'Use our big midfield to bash our way up the middle and pull defenders in to create gaps for Toeava , Fitzgerald and Byrne to pick there lines off.' I just don't see D'Arcy and Bell sucking enough defenders in to create the gaps to be honest and think that Lamont and Clarke will deal with them comfortably. I see the likes of Williams or Habana as more likely to create a tryscoring chance from nothing. Exeter get a plus for home advantage but I just think that Worcester will dog this one out and head home with a valuable 4 points.
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by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Dec 2011, 8:50 pm
Leicester Tigers 22 Northampton Saints 21
Big tactical battle this one, with both sides selecting game plans that would suit their players well. The main question I am looking to answer in finding a result is which team has the will to impose their gameplan on the opposition more. Looking initially at the players, there is plenty of quality in both packs, although Chris once again as has happened in previous seasons is suffering slightly from a key man (Domingo) having no real life form due to long term injury. Overall I would give Tigers the set piece and breakdown, but Saints on top in the loose.
In the backs I don't see great creativity at 9,10,12 or 13 for Tigers, although all are good players. I can see them being very structured which works ok given I have them winning the set piece battle. I can see them being much like Saracens in real life and grinding teams down through being seriously well drilled. I can see Saints backline having more spark and playing the more exciting rugby, but for that to work they need a platform and I just don't see them getting quite enough of one to put Tigers to the sword. It's a close call for me this one with very contrasting but equally good teams on show. Ultimately, being at home along with set piece and breakdown dominance sees Tigers home by the slimmest margin.
Big tactical battle this one, with both sides selecting game plans that would suit their players well. The main question I am looking to answer in finding a result is which team has the will to impose their gameplan on the opposition more. Looking initially at the players, there is plenty of quality in both packs, although Chris once again as has happened in previous seasons is suffering slightly from a key man (Domingo) having no real life form due to long term injury. Overall I would give Tigers the set piece and breakdown, but Saints on top in the loose.
In the backs I don't see great creativity at 9,10,12 or 13 for Tigers, although all are good players. I can see them being very structured which works ok given I have them winning the set piece battle. I can see them being much like Saracens in real life and grinding teams down through being seriously well drilled. I can see Saints backline having more spark and playing the more exciting rugby, but for that to work they need a platform and I just don't see them getting quite enough of one to put Tigers to the sword. It's a close call for me this one with very contrasting but equally good teams on show. Ultimately, being at home along with set piece and breakdown dominance sees Tigers home by the slimmest margin.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Dec 2011, 9:17 pm
Bath Rugby 29 Sale Sharks 24
I can see this one being a reasonably high scorer with two teams both looking to play some attacking rugby and with the half backs to facilitate that. I just see more form players in the Bath team, and although the standout back rower for me is Ouedraogo I really like the balance of the Bath trio and can see them giving their backs a lot of good ball to work with.
I would have tried to get Steyn in there somewhere as he was on fire in the World Cup but I suppose bringing him off the bench second half is a big plus for Bath, likewise Sale have Cruden to liven things up second half. good open game, but justa bit more spark in the Bath team for me, both upfront and in the backs, and at home I have them picking up a very good win.
I can see this one being a reasonably high scorer with two teams both looking to play some attacking rugby and with the half backs to facilitate that. I just see more form players in the Bath team, and although the standout back rower for me is Ouedraogo I really like the balance of the Bath trio and can see them giving their backs a lot of good ball to work with.
I would have tried to get Steyn in there somewhere as he was on fire in the World Cup but I suppose bringing him off the bench second half is a big plus for Bath, likewise Sale have Cruden to liven things up second half. good open game, but justa bit more spark in the Bath team for me, both upfront and in the backs, and at home I have them picking up a very good win.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Sgt_Pooly Sat 03 Dec 2011, 8:23 am
At work today but will get out before 12 hopefully
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Sat 03 Dec 2011, 8:44 am
London Wasps 22 Harlequins 22
Toughest game to call so far from me. Both teams in good recent form, but both off the back of defeats last weekend, so pretty even in terms of momentum and form. Tactically I like what Quins bring and the detail of using Faingaa coming from out to in and Flutey to come behind him going in to out to open up space in the midfield, as if you were to just run straight and hard at McAlister and Roberts I don't think you will get much joy.
Wasps have a simple gameplan trying to use the dynamism of their back row to get on top in the game, and using their big centres to be direct. This is limited but done well can bring (limited) success, as shown by saints in real life last year.
Quins have more spark, but I think Priestland is a little wasted at 15 and JJ has played all of his rugby at 13 in real life this year, and Wasps have a lack of spark out wide but one of the AP's form players in Mike Brown. At the Stoop I would have Quins for the win, but home advantage and a bit of dog throughout the team sees Wasps hang in for a share of the points.
Toughest game to call so far from me. Both teams in good recent form, but both off the back of defeats last weekend, so pretty even in terms of momentum and form. Tactically I like what Quins bring and the detail of using Faingaa coming from out to in and Flutey to come behind him going in to out to open up space in the midfield, as if you were to just run straight and hard at McAlister and Roberts I don't think you will get much joy.
Wasps have a simple gameplan trying to use the dynamism of their back row to get on top in the game, and using their big centres to be direct. This is limited but done well can bring (limited) success, as shown by saints in real life last year.
Quins have more spark, but I think Priestland is a little wasted at 15 and JJ has played all of his rugby at 13 in real life this year, and Wasps have a lack of spark out wide but one of the AP's form players in Mike Brown. At the Stoop I would have Quins for the win, but home advantage and a bit of dog throughout the team sees Wasps hang in for a share of the points.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Sat 03 Dec 2011, 10:02 am
Newcastle Falcons 20 Gloucester 20
I suspect that some of these boys may need a week off after this game as I can see there being some hefty collisions in this one. Both managers make some valid points in their tactics although I disagree with Pooly's assertion that Gloucester have no player offering opposition on the deck. Burger is combative at the breakdown and has played the openside role for years, likewise Hari is no slouch there either, so I would expect a fierce contest.
In terms of player quality, the two teams have their strengths in different areas, which would make for an interesting battle. I am trying to visualise how I would see this panning out, and I start by saying that overall I prefer the Gloucester pack and halfbacks, but the Newcastle backs with the exception that I would take Berrick Barnes over Brad Barritt.
I can see the Gloucester pack making it very difficult for Newcastle to get good ball, but they have a backline that could still be very dangerous of scraps, particularly with the quality that Evans has at 10.
I really could see this going either way given the quality in both sides, and I could waffle on about individual and unit match ups all day, but I have to make a prediction, and much as i hate doing it I can't separate them, so sorry but I am joining luke sat on the fence.
I suspect that some of these boys may need a week off after this game as I can see there being some hefty collisions in this one. Both managers make some valid points in their tactics although I disagree with Pooly's assertion that Gloucester have no player offering opposition on the deck. Burger is combative at the breakdown and has played the openside role for years, likewise Hari is no slouch there either, so I would expect a fierce contest.
In terms of player quality, the two teams have their strengths in different areas, which would make for an interesting battle. I am trying to visualise how I would see this panning out, and I start by saying that overall I prefer the Gloucester pack and halfbacks, but the Newcastle backs with the exception that I would take Berrick Barnes over Brad Barritt.
I can see the Gloucester pack making it very difficult for Newcastle to get good ball, but they have a backline that could still be very dangerous of scraps, particularly with the quality that Evans has at 10.
I really could see this going either way given the quality in both sides, and I could waffle on about individual and unit match ups all day, but I have to make a prediction, and much as i hate doing it I can't separate them, so sorry but I am joining luke sat on the fence.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Guest Sat 03 Dec 2011, 10:41 am
Exeter 12-18 Worcester. Exeter lack any carrying options apart from their locks and have a centre pairing that will be the death of any back play.
Scrum about even Sheridan marked down as not sure will ever play again. Exeters backrow horrible to play against as they are real warriors.
Jennings and crew stop this being a landslide. Prop doing a good job and his halfbacks will win him a few games he should not win
Scrum about even Sheridan marked down as not sure will ever play again. Exeters backrow horrible to play against as they are real warriors.
Jennings and crew stop this being a landslide. Prop doing a good job and his halfbacks will win him a few games he should not win
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Re: AP Round 10
by Guest Sat 03 Dec 2011, 10:57 am
Leicester 22-22 saints joining you on fence Luke. Leicester have good system
And solid lineup but saints more attacking flair. So many great matchups and tactics spot on for both sides
And solid lineup but saints more attacking flair. So many great matchups and tactics spot on for both sides
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Re: AP Round 10
by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 03 Dec 2011, 10:59 am
Exeter Chiefs 16-15 Worcester Warriors
Both TH’s could see some joy in the scrum but there’s a slight edge to the Exeter scrum. Lineout time looks even with no dominate jumper on show and plenty of options in both sides. Around the park Exeter have an edge with some extra quality in the 2nd row. In the back row Worcester have a much stronger carrying game for me the Chiefs combo is a bit light weight for me. Chiefs will have the upper hand at the breakdown though with Jennings one of the best 7s in the NH for me.
Half back battle shades to Worcester with more at 9 and 10 for me. ROG in decent form with the boot but attacking play hasn’t been great. In the backs there isn’t a lot between either side. No real edge in midfield while in the back 3 Worcester are stronger defensively but Chiefs have a bit more power to supplement their attacking game. Bench wise both sides have decent options to come in. Chiefs can keep on top at the scrum with their subs though.
Tight game to call. Chiefs back row will struggle carrying wise but they have more than enough options else where to impose themselves on the game. With home advantage and the fact I think they will see some more of the ball at the breakdown Chiefs pick up an important win.
Leicester Tigers 25-22 Northampton Saints
Scrum battle will edge to the home side here. Cole can win a few penalties here. At the lineout Tigers could poach a ball or two. Lineout will be a good attacking base for Tigers in this one. Around the park its hard to call it either way. In the back row Tigers may poach a few balls but cant see the breakdown being dominated by either side.
Halfbacks are tight here. Think Yach at 9 will get the Tigers backline moving better although Giteau at 12 will help Saints out here. In the back line Saints with a bit more in the back 3 while the midfield is even for me. Not sure on the kicking and then running strategy from Saints. Can’t see where these overlaps are going to come from as the Tigers wingers have more then enough pace and guile to join the line from deep and cover.
Tight one to call. I can’t see either side really dominating one area although Tigers can see some success at the scrum. Think Tigers will have a better attacking base from the set piece here and with home advantage should take this one.
Saracens 23-20 London Irish
Can see an edge to Irish at scrum time here with Castro seeing some joy. Good even battle at the lineout with plenty of jumping options and two of the best AP operators arond going at it. Around the park slight edge to Sarries but not noticeably so. Back row battle edges to Sarries here. Good balance to both units but Fourie is a mark down against Wood currently.
At halfback its hard to call either way. Two strong classy combos on show. Midfield combo goes to Sarries on current form. In the back 3s there’s alot of power on show in the Sarries wingers but the Irish back 3 all offer a great threat ball in hand so can’t really separate. Fourie the main impact man on the benches but a better overall quality to the Sarries bench to see the game out
Good game between two teams in good form but Sarries at home with more on show in the back row should win this one.
London Wasps 16-17 Harlequins
Can’t see a shift at scrum time to either side here. Same to be said of the lineout. Around the park though can see the Quins front 5 getting through a lot more work. Back row battle goes to Quins as well in this one. With Louw and Warburton on show and a more mobile front 5 Quins can really get on top at the breakdown.
Both 9s in good form but Dickson a better all round 9 for me and Quins a step up at 10. Midfield goes to Wasps. Quins midfield isn’t a weakness but better form and an extra hint of quality to the Wasps pairing. Back 3 goes to Quins in this one. Better attacking threat on show and good form. On the bench I can see both sub TH’s seeing some joy at the scrum but Quins have more impact overall.
Quins can get on top in the forwards battle here particularly the breakdown. Although Wasps are at home where they have a great record this year I see the same problems as last week. Can’t see how Wasps can win this one on the back foot when the game plan is all about the forwards.
Newcastle Falcons 20-18 Gloucester Rugby
Scrum battle is tight shading possibly to Newcastle for me with Dawadiak a weakness at this level currently. Gloucester have the upper hand at the lineout to start of with but POC coming in will level it up for me. Around the park its fairly even in the front 5. Good battle in the back row. Glaws stronger at 6, Falcons 7 and 8 tied. Perharps a better balance to the Falcons selection though.
Glaws have a bit extra in the halfbacks but Newcastle with plenty to offer themselves. In midfield its fairly even. Glaws stronger at 12 and vice versa at 13. Barnes offers an extra playmaker at 12 but Falcons have JOC on the wing to do the same. Back 3 goes to Newcastle with extra quality man for man. Possibly the 2 best squads in the league and it shows on the bench when you see the likes of Ferris, Dagg, POC and Brussow!
Great pack battle here. Both sides will get good attacking ball through either the scrum or lineout and they both have the ability to make use of it. My gripe with this one is tactics again! Are Glaws playing a possession game or a kicking game?? Can’t see how you can play both, tactics are not clear here at all and away from home that costs Glaws dearly for me.
Both TH’s could see some joy in the scrum but there’s a slight edge to the Exeter scrum. Lineout time looks even with no dominate jumper on show and plenty of options in both sides. Around the park Exeter have an edge with some extra quality in the 2nd row. In the back row Worcester have a much stronger carrying game for me the Chiefs combo is a bit light weight for me. Chiefs will have the upper hand at the breakdown though with Jennings one of the best 7s in the NH for me.
Half back battle shades to Worcester with more at 9 and 10 for me. ROG in decent form with the boot but attacking play hasn’t been great. In the backs there isn’t a lot between either side. No real edge in midfield while in the back 3 Worcester are stronger defensively but Chiefs have a bit more power to supplement their attacking game. Bench wise both sides have decent options to come in. Chiefs can keep on top at the scrum with their subs though.
Tight game to call. Chiefs back row will struggle carrying wise but they have more than enough options else where to impose themselves on the game. With home advantage and the fact I think they will see some more of the ball at the breakdown Chiefs pick up an important win.
Leicester Tigers 25-22 Northampton Saints
Scrum battle will edge to the home side here. Cole can win a few penalties here. At the lineout Tigers could poach a ball or two. Lineout will be a good attacking base for Tigers in this one. Around the park its hard to call it either way. In the back row Tigers may poach a few balls but cant see the breakdown being dominated by either side.
Halfbacks are tight here. Think Yach at 9 will get the Tigers backline moving better although Giteau at 12 will help Saints out here. In the back line Saints with a bit more in the back 3 while the midfield is even for me. Not sure on the kicking and then running strategy from Saints. Can’t see where these overlaps are going to come from as the Tigers wingers have more then enough pace and guile to join the line from deep and cover.
Tight one to call. I can’t see either side really dominating one area although Tigers can see some success at the scrum. Think Tigers will have a better attacking base from the set piece here and with home advantage should take this one.
Saracens 23-20 London Irish
Can see an edge to Irish at scrum time here with Castro seeing some joy. Good even battle at the lineout with plenty of jumping options and two of the best AP operators arond going at it. Around the park slight edge to Sarries but not noticeably so. Back row battle edges to Sarries here. Good balance to both units but Fourie is a mark down against Wood currently.
At halfback its hard to call either way. Two strong classy combos on show. Midfield combo goes to Sarries on current form. In the back 3s there’s alot of power on show in the Sarries wingers but the Irish back 3 all offer a great threat ball in hand so can’t really separate. Fourie the main impact man on the benches but a better overall quality to the Sarries bench to see the game out
Good game between two teams in good form but Sarries at home with more on show in the back row should win this one.
London Wasps 16-17 Harlequins
Can’t see a shift at scrum time to either side here. Same to be said of the lineout. Around the park though can see the Quins front 5 getting through a lot more work. Back row battle goes to Quins as well in this one. With Louw and Warburton on show and a more mobile front 5 Quins can really get on top at the breakdown.
Both 9s in good form but Dickson a better all round 9 for me and Quins a step up at 10. Midfield goes to Wasps. Quins midfield isn’t a weakness but better form and an extra hint of quality to the Wasps pairing. Back 3 goes to Quins in this one. Better attacking threat on show and good form. On the bench I can see both sub TH’s seeing some joy at the scrum but Quins have more impact overall.
Quins can get on top in the forwards battle here particularly the breakdown. Although Wasps are at home where they have a great record this year I see the same problems as last week. Can’t see how Wasps can win this one on the back foot when the game plan is all about the forwards.
Newcastle Falcons 20-18 Gloucester Rugby
Scrum battle is tight shading possibly to Newcastle for me with Dawadiak a weakness at this level currently. Gloucester have the upper hand at the lineout to start of with but POC coming in will level it up for me. Around the park its fairly even in the front 5. Good battle in the back row. Glaws stronger at 6, Falcons 7 and 8 tied. Perharps a better balance to the Falcons selection though.
Glaws have a bit extra in the halfbacks but Newcastle with plenty to offer themselves. In midfield its fairly even. Glaws stronger at 12 and vice versa at 13. Barnes offers an extra playmaker at 12 but Falcons have JOC on the wing to do the same. Back 3 goes to Newcastle with extra quality man for man. Possibly the 2 best squads in the league and it shows on the bench when you see the likes of Ferris, Dagg, POC and Brussow!
Great pack battle here. Both sides will get good attacking ball through either the scrum or lineout and they both have the ability to make use of it. My gripe with this one is tactics again! Are Glaws playing a possession game or a kicking game?? Can’t see how you can play both, tactics are not clear here at all and away from home that costs Glaws dearly for me.
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by Guest Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:10 am
Bath 27-21 sale
Sale lacking form in quite a few positions and see their
Back 3 as a massive weakness. Bath have players to do damage in key positions and their engine room is a great pairing.
Sale lacking form in quite a few positions and see their
Back 3 as a massive weakness. Bath have players to do damage in key positions and their engine room is a great pairing.
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Re: AP Round 10
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Wasps 23-23 quins tough game and my pick of week. Sides cancel each other out in so many ways.mac and Roberts excellent but against 2 great defensive centres. Agree with pete that jj and priest land out of position and would have won had they not been picked where they are. Priestland the form ten in nh so play him there
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Re: AP Round 10
by 'Arry Spurs Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:18 am
Exeter Chiefs 14 - 16 Worcester Warriors
Can see this being a nervy and tight affair. Think discipline will be key andI can see Shaw and Moody giving quite a few penalties away that Steyn will punish them for. Think it'll be a tight game with quite a few errors which will ruin the flow of play. I think Worcester have the players to get them over the gain line in the backs. Think their half backs will be key in orchestrating and controlling their play. Worcester also have more spark in their back line which will see them threaten more in attack.
Leicester Tigers 21 - 21 Northampton Saints
Think the forward battle is very tight. Think the set piece goes to the Tigers but when it comes to the loose play the Saints have the edge. Can see Pocock having plenty of joy at the breakdown in this one. Think the majority of the Tigers points will come from the boot, Jonny isn't the man to bring a backline to life in my opinion. Can see the Saints playing some good attacking rugby and scoring some tries. Too close to call, draw.
Saracens 20 - 18 London Irish
Neither pack gets on top in this one, it'll be a real scrap at the breakdown too. Think it's just as tight in the backs as well, I like the blend of power and pace both teams have on show. Few players in the Irish line up that are injured so it makes their form hard to judge. The Sarries half backs win this one for them, extra bit of quality and home advantage wins this one for Pete.
Bath Rugby 22 - 20 Sale Sharks
Forward battle again is a close one, I like the players Sale have but Bath have better balance in the back row which will see them prosper. Good options in both back lines but I think Du Preez and Hodgson will run the show, Bath have several players with plenty of flair and spark that will score them tries. Home advantage and extra quality in the back line seals the victory for Bath.
Can see this being a nervy and tight affair. Think discipline will be key andI can see Shaw and Moody giving quite a few penalties away that Steyn will punish them for. Think it'll be a tight game with quite a few errors which will ruin the flow of play. I think Worcester have the players to get them over the gain line in the backs. Think their half backs will be key in orchestrating and controlling their play. Worcester also have more spark in their back line which will see them threaten more in attack.
Leicester Tigers 21 - 21 Northampton Saints
Think the forward battle is very tight. Think the set piece goes to the Tigers but when it comes to the loose play the Saints have the edge. Can see Pocock having plenty of joy at the breakdown in this one. Think the majority of the Tigers points will come from the boot, Jonny isn't the man to bring a backline to life in my opinion. Can see the Saints playing some good attacking rugby and scoring some tries. Too close to call, draw.
Saracens 20 - 18 London Irish
Neither pack gets on top in this one, it'll be a real scrap at the breakdown too. Think it's just as tight in the backs as well, I like the blend of power and pace both teams have on show. Few players in the Irish line up that are injured so it makes their form hard to judge. The Sarries half backs win this one for them, extra bit of quality and home advantage wins this one for Pete.
Bath Rugby 22 - 20 Sale Sharks
Forward battle again is a close one, I like the players Sale have but Bath have better balance in the back row which will see them prosper. Good options in both back lines but I think Du Preez and Hodgson will run the show, Bath have several players with plenty of flair and spark that will score them tries. Home advantage and extra quality in the back line seals the victory for Bath.
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Re: AP Round 10
by Guest Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:21 am
Sarries 25-23 Irish
Think Irish edge scrum with Castro getting after corbs. Sarries have a backline with lots of in form players. Think trinder will not see much game time over coming months with tindall back but homer ioane etc in form
Of their lives meaning sarries edge it against a great Irish team. Nick I mark tait down heavily every time you play him as I don't see him
Offering anything and he has played very little rugby of late
Think Irish edge scrum with Castro getting after corbs. Sarries have a backline with lots of in form players. Think trinder will not see much game time over coming months with tindall back but homer ioane etc in form
Of their lives meaning sarries edge it against a great Irish team. Nick I mark tait down heavily every time you play him as I don't see him
Offering anything and he has played very little rugby of late
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:30 am
I think a couple of games are close prop, just shows the quality in the league I think.
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Re: AP Round 10
by prop_lyd Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:32 am
Yeah, some proper dog fights going on with rivalries i think too!! Enjoy 7s at the moment, may have to follow women's 7s more often!!
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Re: AP Round 10
by Steven_Sharks Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:35 am
Might be wrong Arry but I think more draws have been predicted than anything else
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Re: AP Round 10
by Ozzy3213 Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:38 am
I'm sure that SJE will have the full results for us as soon as the clock hits 12
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by prop_lyd Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:39 am
He best do....i can't take this anticipation much longer........is my day a day of celebration?!
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Re: AP Round 10
by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 03 Dec 2011, 11:41 am
Already looking at the results Pete Some mighty close games that can be swung either way on the last few predictions!
Some mighty close games that can be swung either way on the last few predictions!
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