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Post by Fernando Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:16 pm

The Football Association is reviewing a hand gesture made by Liverpool striker Luis Suarez after the 1-0 defeat at Fulham.

Suarez raised the middle finger of his left hand as he left the Craven Cottage pitch on Monday.

Reds boss Kenny Dalglish said: "I have not seen the picture. If [it] is true then I've a decision to make."

Uruguay international Suarez is also facing an FA racism charge.

That stems from an incident during Liverpool's 1-1 draw with Manchester United in October that led to French defender Patrice Evra alleging that Suarez had racially abused him.

The FA is yet to receive the referee's report from the Fulham game, or any complaints about the incident involving Suarez.

Meanwhile, Dalglish said it was "scandalous" that some Fulham fans had chanted "cheat" at Suarez during the match in London.

The Scot defended the striker after home supporters had barracked the player for going down too easily in an attempt to win a penalty.

Of the taunts aimed at Suarez, Dalglish said: "I would like to see you write that in the paper because you would be in a bit of trouble as well. It is about time he got a wee bit of protection."

Dalglish is also considering appealing against Jay Spearing's controversial second-half red card.

The midfielder was sent off after fouling striker Moussa Dembele with his follow-through after a tackle, having initially won the ball.

Dalglish said: "Jay will be upset, but we will have a little look and see whether it is worthwhile appealing.

"I think you need to ask the referees what the interpretation is."

Spearing was shown a straight red card by referee Kevin Friend after 71 minutes, with the score at 0-0, before Clint Dempsey's late winner sealed victory for Fulham to move them 13th in the league.

Dalglish added: "It is frustrating because nobody tells us what the level of acceptance is. Jay had no other thought on his mind other than to win the ball - and he did win it.

"I am not a referee. Sometimes they have been given, sometimes they haven't. As long as they are consistent, there is no problem."

A series of decisions went against Liverpool. Charlie Adam was denied a penalty after being brought down by Philippe Senderos, while Suarez had a strike disallowed for offside.

Discussing the game, Dalglish said: "It could have gone either way but I don't think we were going to get anything tonight, were we?

"The goal Luis Suarez scored that was ruled offside could have gone either way. Charlie Adam could have got a penalty when he was pulled down on the edge of the box.

"Tonight wasn't as well as we've been playing, but it was enough to have won the game. We never got the luck but we have just got to brush ourselves off and get on with it."

source: bbc sport

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Post by JDandfries Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:25 pm

Daglish's constant moaning about referees is getting boring now.

He can't complain about the sending off, it was perfectly just IMO, there was simply no need for Spearing to tackle like that, it was a 80/20 ball in his favour and although Dembele was unhurt, it could have been bad given how high his follow through was.

He should also cast his mind back to the Rodwell sending off in the derby, and how he dealt with questions about that.

he should start looking at the team of expensive flops he is starting to assemble, that is where teh problem lies.

As for Suarez, as I have said before, he is a horrible little man, he dives all teh time, and hopefuly will get what is coming to him when the FA review his behaviour yet again!

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Post by GG Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:35 pm

JDandfries wrote:Daglish's constant moaning about referees is getting boring now.

He can't complain about the sending off, it was perfectly just IMO, there was simply no need for Spearing to tackle like that, it was a 80/20 ball in his favour and although Dembele was unhurt, it could have been bad given how high his follow through was.

He should also cast his mind back to the Rodwell sending off in the derby, and how he dealt with questions about that.

he should start looking at the team of expensive flops he is starting to assemble, that is where teh problem lies.

As for Suarez, as I have said before, he is a horrible little man, he dives all teh time, and hopefuly will get what is coming to him when the FA review his behaviour yet again!

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Post by Kay Fabe Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:36 pm

I hope Suarez gets off, he was getting stick for 90 minutes, he's etitled to retaliate in a way no one was physically or mentally harmed

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Post by Kay Fabe Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:40 pm

I don't think Dalglish can complain about the would be goal or would be penalty, both where correct decisions, he should roast Adam for not releasing Bellers instead of going for glory

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Post by braveheart101 Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:36 pm

the-gaffer wrote:I don't think Dalglish can complain about the would be goal or would be penalty, both where correct decisions, he should roast Adam for not releasing Bellers instead of going for glory
The offside looked very tight and could have gone either way. As for the penalty it would have been very soft but the defender did move towards Suarez and blocked him. If that had happened outside the penalty area he would most probably have been awarded a free kick so why is it a foul outside the box but not inside?
The sending off was probably the correct decision but the referee was too inconsistent. Dempsey could have been sent off for his confrontation with Bellamy and Senderos should have been booked again for pulling Carroll back resulting in a red card. Even Martin Jol admitted Fulham got all the 50/50 decisions as Liverpool did against Everton so can't really complain too much

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Post by Kay Fabe Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:06 pm

Senderos could have walked, the game was done by that point though, not that it should matter, a decision is a decision but what I mean is it wouldn't have had any bearing on the game

As for the pen, I thought he was talking about when Adam was brought down on the edge of the box so apologies, as for the actual one he's talking about, nah I don't buy it, I'm not one of those guys who think the sligntest touch merits a foul, there has to be justifiable contact for me

I also didn't think it was a red but can understand due to the pathtic nature of the rules why the ref had to show him it, 15 years ago that kind of tackle would get you a standing ovation and possibly a MotM award, he was unlucky or perhaps a bit daft to allow his other leg to straighten up on the follow through

The replay confirmed he didn't take his eyes off the ball, lads unlucky

When Suarez scored I instantly thought he was on but it was quite clear on replay it was a sound and maybe even easy decision for the linesman

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Post by braveheart101 Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:18 pm

So are you saying that if Suarez was obstructed outside the box he wouldn't have been awarded a free kick? Even the commentators said anywhere else on the pitch it would have been a foul.
I've seen the offside decision a few times and when the ball was played the last defenders right foot was level with Suarez so how is that offside?

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Post by Kay Fabe Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:30 pm

I didn't think he was, I think he was just ahead of the last defender, I've seen it a few times too, you said it could have went either way now you're saying he was definitely onside

I don't think it was a obstruction, maybe it was but if I'm thinking about the right one then Suarez was trying to get through a space that wasn't there, besides a simple obstruction is I'm sure an indirect free kick, which probably answers why you don't see them given in the box rightly or wrongly

The whole "It would have been given outside the box" arguement has been doing the rounds since the first game of football

My pet hate is jersey pulling at set pieces, if refs called for every pen then we'd get about 15 per game easy

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Post by braveheart101 Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:40 pm

I was waiting for Sky to put a line up to see if he was definately onside or not but they never did so it's all ifs and buts.
I just think that the defender was moving away from goal and when the ball was played it looked as if his right foot was level with Suarez even though his body wasn't so could have gone either way

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Post by Kay Fabe Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:44 pm

Like I said, first time around I thought it was onside but after seeing it again I was pretty certain he was off, like you say though without the line it's pretty much open for debate

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:16 pm

:::BREAKING NEWS:::

Suarez cleared on racism claims

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Post by liverbnz Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:46 pm

braveheart101 wrote:
the-gaffer wrote:I don't think Dalglish can complain about the would be goal or would be penalty, both where correct decisions, he should roast Adam for not releasing Bellers instead of going for glory
The offside looked very tight and could have gone either way. As for the penalty it would have been very soft but the defender did move towards Suarez and blocked him. If that had happened outside the penalty area he would most probably have been awarded a free kick so why is it a foul outside the box but not inside?
The sending off was probably the correct decision but the referee was too inconsistent. Dempsey could have been sent off for his confrontation with Bellamy and Senderos should have been booked again for pulling Carroll back resulting in a red card. Even Martin Jol admitted Fulham got all the 50/50 decisions as Liverpool did against Everton so can't really complain too much

We got one decision in that game, and fir the rest of it we got nothing. Felliani and Hibbert were both lucky they weren't binned for horrendous tackles on Lucas and Adam respectfully.

As for the decisions in the Fulham game, I think Suarez was onside. The only part of his body to seem beyond Hangalaand is his arm, which is not offside according to the rules, although it's a tight one.

Dempsey was lucky to stay on the pitch following his little set-to with Bellamy. Why the latter was booked is
beyond me.

Also, I felt the foul on Adam by Senderos was a pen, although again very tight. Senderos probably should have went here as well. Adam's shooting on goal if Senderos doesn't bring him down so 'denying him a goalscoring oppourtunity'.

Spearing's red card was understandable if a little harsh. The ref could argue 'excessive force' in this case although Carragher's career would have been severely shortened if this sort of tackle was red carded at every instance.

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Post by Kay Fabe Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:10 am

Adam was fouled outside the box so I don't know how it couls have been a pen, he should have passed it to Bellers tho' he's far to greedy

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Post by jro786 Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:23 am

the-gaffer wrote:I hope Suarez gets off, he was getting stick for 90 minutes, he's etitled to retaliate in a way no one was physically or mentally harmed

Der Hun never miss a trick to stir up trouble, I hate that Nazi newspaper and they have an obvious agenda

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Post by d260005p Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:45 pm

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the-gaffer wrote:I hope Suarez gets off, he was getting stick for 90 minutes, he's entitled to retaliate in a way no one was physically or mentally harmed

Der Hun never miss a trick to stir up trouble, I hate that Nazi newspaper and they have an obvious agenda

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Yeh because foul gestures to an audience not just at the ground but on telly is great role model sporting behavior. Especially for kids watching. Not to mention he is a racist pig and that he is probably the biggest diver in the Premier League today. I'm sure footballers are supposed to be professional in their approach to a game. Just because they get stick, you think they have the right to swear or abuse innocent fans who have come to watch a game? Or are you telling me EVERY Fulham fan was giving him stick? Rooney swore into a camera and got banned. This is pretty similar in that he abused the fans with a physical gesture as opposed to shouting it. And it was on Sky.

Grow up and get back to supporting your beloved Liverpool flops and idolizing Luis Suarez.

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Post by Crimey Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:59 pm

Gaffer supports Celtic...

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Post by jro786 Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:04 pm

d260005p wrote:
jro786 wrote:
the-gaffer wrote:I hope Suarez gets off, he was getting stick for 90 minutes, he's entitled to retaliate in a way no one was physically or mentally harmed

Der Hun never miss a trick to stir up trouble, I hate that Nazi newspaper and they have an obvious agenda

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Yeh because foul gestures to an audience not just at the ground but on telly is great role model sporting behavior. Especially for kids watching. Not to mention he is a racist pig and that he is probably the biggest diver in the Premier League today. I'm sure footballers are supposed to be professional in their approach to a game. Just because they get stick, you think they have the right to swear or abuse innocent fans who have come to watch a game? Or are you telling me EVERY Fulham fan was giving him stick? Rooney swore into a camera and got banned. This is pretty similar in that he abused the fans with a physical gesture as opposed to shouting it. And it was on Sky.

Grow up and get back to supporting your beloved Liverpool flops and idolizing Luis Suarez.

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Post by braveheart101 Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:30 pm

d260005p wrote:
Not to mention he is a racist pig
Suarez hasn't been found guilty of racism.

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Post by Kay Fabe Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:09 pm

d260005p

Firstly I'm not a Red, I'm nuetral, secondly, who would have known about the incident if it wasn't for Der Hun highlighting it so your whole self righteous drivel about him 'offending' everyone at the ground and at home is uneducated at best and desperate hyperbole at worst.

Thirdly, I don't consider it anywhere near as bad as Rooney's, Wayne was quite aggressive and screamed in the lens of a camera at about 1:30pm on a Saturday afternoon, Suarez made a one finger hand gesture at a section of fans who gave him abuse, fans who where to delerous with pride at their teams win to care, it also happened off TV and in anycase well after any watershed

Also to call him "a racist pig" when it hasn't been proven shows you up for what you are and offers the real insght into your mock outrage!

You sir are the one who should "Grow Up"

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Post by d260005p Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:45 pm

the-gaffer wrote:d260005p

Firstly I'm not a Red, I'm nuetral, secondly, who would have known about the incident if it wasn't for Der Hun highlighting it so your whole self righteous drivel about him 'offending' everyone at the ground and at home is uneducated at best and desperate hyperbole at worst.

Thirdly, I don't consider it anywhere near as bad as Rooney's, Wayne was quite aggressive and screamed in the lens of a camera at about 1:30pm on a Saturday afternoon, Suarez made a one finger hand gesture at a section of fans who gave him abuse, fans who where to delerous with pride at their teams win to care, it also happened off TV and in anycase well after any watershed

Also to call him "a racist pig" when it hasn't been proven shows you up for what you are and offers the real insght into your mock outrage!

You sir are the one who should "Grow Up"

Firstly, im actually glad your not a "red", secondly, whether or not it was caught on a camera or a National Newspaper, its still in the public eye for people to see. Not only is it lack of professionalism on his behalf, but it also puts football in to the public eye once again. Thirdly, i never said it was the same as the Rooney outburst, i simply stated that it was similar with regards to lack of respect to fans. Even if it was off TV, it is now on the backpage of many national newspapers for people to see and for people to once again call into question the attitude, or lack of, of football players.

Whether or not he is found guilty of racism, it is just my opinion on the matter. The FA have charged him with the racial offence and we now await a verdict. Latest reports suggest, along with John Terry, that the FA has more then enough evidence to charge with a Guilty verdict. Whether it happens or not is another story. And with regards to the "nazi" comment, maybe you should "grow up sir".

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Post by Kay Fabe Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:06 pm

"whether or not he is found guilty of racism, it's just my opinion on the matter"

That's a pretty damning opinion (and completely irrational) to have on anyone with absolutely no justification what so ever, with that in mind it's pretty obvious that you'd find it impossible to have a balanced unprejudiced debate on the guy

As for the Nazi comment, I stand by it, if I've upset you as a Sun reader then you should be more concerned about the trash you read I'm afraid.

The Sun newspaper is the absolute lowest form of journalismand caters for it's like minded readers only.

It's owner and editers have been proven to be completely immoral in it's 'investigating' over the years and it's big sister has already bit the bullet



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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:20 pm

JDandfries wrote:Daglish's constant moaning about referees is getting boring now.

He can't complain about the sending off, it was perfectly just IMO, there was simply no need for Spearing to tackle like that, it was a 80/20 ball in his favour and although Dembele was unhurt, it could have been bad given how high his follow through was.

He should also cast his mind back to the Rodwell sending off in the derby, and how he dealt with questions about that.

he should start looking at the team of expensive flops he is starting to assemble, that is where teh problem lies.

As for Suarez, as I have said before, he is a horrible little man, he dives all teh time, and hopefuly will get what is coming to him when the FA review his behaviour yet again!

Am sure Rodwells red card got resinded Headscratch

Enough said terrible decision.

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Post by jro786 Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:38 pm

JDandfries wrote:Daglish's constant moaning about referees is getting boring now.

He can't complain about the sending off, it was perfectly just IMO, there was simply no need for Spearing to tackle like that, it was a 80/20 ball in his favour and although Dembele was unhurt, it could have been bad given how high his follow through was.

He should also cast his mind back to the Rodwell sending off in the derby, and how he dealt with questions about that.

he should start looking at the team of expensive flops he is starting to assemble, that is where teh problem lies.

As for Suarez, as I have said before, he is a horrible little man, he dives all teh time, and hopefuly will get what is coming to him when the FA review his behaviour yet again!

well well well jd the liverpool obsesser who loves to talk more about liverpool than his beloved boro, grow up and leave suarez alone
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Post by liverbnz Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:56 pm

the-gaffer wrote:Adam was fouled outside the box so I don't know how it couls have been a pen, he should have passed it to Bellers tho' he's far to greedy

He was past Senderos. If Senderos didn't foul him he was through on goal with an arguably a better chance than the one Bellamy could have had.

Although on 2nd viewing, the foul was indeed outside, just. I initially thought thy Senderos was pulling Adam done by the leg after the initial foul.

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:12 pm

cant stand suarez. Class player but total muppet.

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Post by jro786 Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:21 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:cant stand suarez. Class player but total muppet.

do you mean understand cricketfan?
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Post by Kay Fabe Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:13 pm

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the-gaffer wrote:Adam was fouled outside the box so I don't know how it couls have been a pen, he should have passed it to Bellers tho' he's far to greedy

He was past Senderos. If Senderos didn't foul him he was through on goal with an arguably a better chance than the one Bellamy could have had.

Although on 2nd viewing, the foul was indeed outside, just. I initially thought thy Senderos was pulling Adam done by the leg after the initial foul.

Yeah I get that Adam would probably have been in a better position IF he got past Senderos, that's the point though, who took the chance to go it alone instead of playing the pass that would have guarenteed Bellamy had a chance.

I like Adam but the team from tne back to the top seems to be built around him so he does have a lot of the ball and invariably does some good things with it but I think his decision making is poor and he's too greedy.

He is a good player, when teams are built around a player they tend to look better than what they are though.

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Post by liverbnz Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:33 pm

Fair point the risk taking although I'm not sure on the team being built around Adam, although he is involved in a lot, but then again that's his role. He's the creative force in a midfield which will generally try and build attacks patiently so he's naturally going to be on the ball often.

He does need protecting though, in the sense that he can often get caught ahead of the ball and leaves gaps in behind the midfield, although I though he was improving and his partnership with Lucas was starting to click. Shame that injury has robbed us of seeing that continue. These things happen.

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Post by dublfcynwa Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:40 pm

The ref had a shocker because he was a weak homer. 1) Suarez scored a perfectly good goal that was disallowed for nothing. See the link below if anyone is in doubt.

http://twitpic.com/7oysjp

2) How Senderos was not sent off is beyond me, he drag's down Adam when he was about to go clear on goal and he was already on a yellow so the least he deserved was a second yellow. Not much of a debate there, it was CLEAR AS DAY.

The other decision's like Dempsey butting Bellamy, Spearing red, and our penalty claim's were prob 50/50 at most and they can go either way and there were major decision's that went against Liverpool wrongly but what do you expect when the ref's are not up to the job and just give every decision to the home team.
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Post by Guest Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:44 pm

jro786 wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:cant stand suarez. Class player but total muppet.

do you mean understand cricketfan?

no i mean i really cant stand him.

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Post by Beer Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:18 pm

Officially been charged by the FA now.

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:18 pm

I'm glad

I hate all these holier than thou footballers. There's no denying how good Suarez but the guy is a douche

I ain't just saying this as a United fan hating on a Liverpool player, same can be said about a lot of footballers, including some in our current squad

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Post by d260005p Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:22 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16043901.stm

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Post by jro786 Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:49 pm

gazzyD wrote:I'm glad

I hate all these holier than thou footballers. There's no denying how good Suarez but the guy is a douche

I ain't just saying this as a United fan hating on a Liverpool player, same can be said about a lot of footballers, including some in our current squad

i'm just glad that you got dumped out, a relatively easy group and got dumped Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo

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Post by JDandfries Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:00 pm

In terms of relativity, how relatively easy were Liverpool's home games against Sunderland, Norwich and Swansea?

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Post by jro786 Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:13 pm

JDandfries wrote:In terms of relativity, how relatively easy were Liverpool's home games against Sunderland, Norwich and Swansea?

relatively ar boro in the prem? i think not Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo

boro are relatively poor at the moment, so no point to comment jd
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Post by JDandfries Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:22 pm

Boro are ok, quite happy where we are!!

And that was quite frankly THE WORST come back I have ever heard, you should be ashamed!


Good use of teh smilies though!! Tumbleweed

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Post by jro786 Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:29 pm

JDandfries wrote:Boro are ok, quite happy where we are!!

And that was quite frankly THE WORST come back I have ever heard, you should be ashamed!


Good use of teh smilies though!! Tumbleweed

if boro are ok then why they're not in prem first time in asking?
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Post by JDandfries Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:43 pm

Don't know what you mean, it makes no sense!

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Post by jro786 Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:58 pm

JDandfries wrote:Don't know what you mean, it makes no sense!

when boro got relegated why didn't they come up like newcastle?
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:01 pm

JDandfries wrote:Don't know what you mean, it makes no sense!

I think he's pointing out the fact you have cames 11th and 12th since your relegation to the Championship thumbsup


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Post by JDandfries Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:01 pm

Because we were skint and had to sell all out players, Newcastle kept all of their players.

We are only a small club though, which is why I said we are ok, and I am more than happy with being the Championship, where we can compete, both on the pitch and financially

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:05 pm

JDandfries wrote:Because we were skint and had to sell all out players, Newcastle kept all of their players.

We are only a small club though, which is why I said we are ok, and I am more than happy with being the Championship, where we can compete, both on the pitch and financially

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Post by jro786 Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:05 pm

JDandfries wrote:Because we were skint and had to sell all out players, Newcastle kept all of their players.

We are only a small club though, which is why I said we are ok, and I am more than happy with being the Championship, where we can compete, both on the pitch and financially

no excuses please
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Post by JDandfries Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:09 pm

You asked jro786 - that's the reason.

It could be worse we could be spending millions on rubbish and still find ourselves miles behind the best

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:14 pm

JDandfries wrote:You asked jro786 - that's the reason.

It could be worse we could be spending millions on rubbish and still find ourselves miles behind the best

Nope, I thinking languishing in the Championship and being in denial is worst haha Laugh

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Post by Fernando Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:15 pm

JDandfries wrote:You asked jro786 - that's the reason.

It could be worse we could be spending millions on rubbish and still find ourselves miles behind the best


Could be worse JD could have Andy Carroll upfront with Jordan Henderson out wide :P

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Post by jro786 Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:18 pm

JDandfries wrote:You asked jro786 - that's the reason.

It could be worse we could be spending millions on rubbish and still find ourselves miles behind the best

no excuses, and i have no excuses on the players kenny bought, but you're still a liverpool obsesser
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Post by JDandfries Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:22 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
JDandfries wrote:You asked jro786 - that's the reason.

It could be worse we could be spending millions on rubbish and still find ourselves miles behind the best

Nope, I thinking languishing in the Championship and being in denial is worst haha Laugh

We are fourth, hardly languishing AND Andy Carroll would not get into our team!!

there are no excuses for the garbage Kenny has bought, unless of course it is you who is in denial and thinks he has bought well?

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