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Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by ONETWOFOREVER Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:53 pm
Steward is a ATG trainer but he is responsible for wrecking the following careers....
Jermaine Taylor - Asked to step in for the first Kelly Pavlik fight and Taylor not only lost but was never the same fighter again.
Nazeem Hamed - Only Ingle could train Naz but Steward ruined his raw talent by trying to input a more defensive element to his game.......did'nt work.
Jermaine Taylor - Asked to step in for the first Kelly Pavlik fight and Taylor not only lost but was never the same fighter again.
Nazeem Hamed - Only Ingle could train Naz but Steward ruined his raw talent by trying to input a more defensive element to his game.......did'nt work.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by AlexHuckerby Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:03 pm
Totally wrecked Lennox Lewis' didn't he...
This is nothing but stupid Onetwo, no offense.
This is nothing but stupid Onetwo, no offense.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by Soldier_Of_Fortune Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:03 pm
Yer, same with Lewis and Wlad!
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by superflyweight Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:05 pm
Hearns had a shocking career and he only really improved after he left Steward.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by AlexHuckerby Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:07 pm
Certain trainers are better for certain styles, I personally think Naz was not right for him. Not every trainer is great at everything but to say he's directly involved in Taylors downfall is just daft, sorry.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by ShahenshahG Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:08 pm
Do you mean to say that Steward specialises in tall rangy fighters with a good jab and doesn't have an outstanding record with those of differing styles?
If so I agree.
If so I agree.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by Sir. badgerhands Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:09 pm
Not sure how much you can blame Manny for derailing their careers.
JT seemed to struggle in every fight he had post Hopkins.
Naz only lost once to a fighter who simply had his number.
The work he did with Hearns in my opinion is his greatest achievement though.
When you consider he either trained or had an involvement in the careers of the following
Dennis Andries
Wilfred Benítez
Julio César Chávez
Kermit Cintron
Miguel Cotto
Oscar De La Hoya
Domonique Dolton
Naseem Hamed
Thomas Hearns
Evander Holyfield
John David Jackson
Hilmer Kenty
Ole Klemetsen
Wladimir Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Michael Moorer
Oliver McCall
Mike McCallum
Milton McCrory
Steve McCrory
Gerald McClellan
Jimmy Paul
Jermain Taylor
Duane Thomas
James Toney
Yuriorkis Gamboa
(Courtesy of Google)
He can't be that bad.
JT seemed to struggle in every fight he had post Hopkins.
Naz only lost once to a fighter who simply had his number.
The work he did with Hearns in my opinion is his greatest achievement though.
When you consider he either trained or had an involvement in the careers of the following
Dennis Andries
Wilfred Benítez
Julio César Chávez
Kermit Cintron
Miguel Cotto
Oscar De La Hoya
Domonique Dolton
Naseem Hamed
Thomas Hearns
Evander Holyfield
John David Jackson
Hilmer Kenty
Ole Klemetsen
Wladimir Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Michael Moorer
Oliver McCall
Mike McCallum
Milton McCrory
Steve McCrory
Gerald McClellan
Jimmy Paul
Jermain Taylor
Duane Thomas
James Toney
Yuriorkis Gamboa
(Courtesy of Google)
He can't be that bad.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by ONETWOFOREVER Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:11 pm
Lewis 2 losses to fighters a man of his stature should beat. Steward is good with fighters he has from scratch but he has also a shocking record. Wlad up to now has done the same thing he always done and Steward can't seem to get his instructions through.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by HumanWindmill Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:12 pm
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Lewis 2 losses to fighters a man of his stature should beat. Steward is good with fighters he has from scratch but he has also a shocking record. Wlad up to now has done the same thing he always done and Steward can't seem to get his instructions through.
Steward was in the opposite corner for one of them.
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by AlexHuckerby Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:13 pm
Union Cane wrote:...and Tyson Fury!
How could we forget the mans finest work?
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by AlexHuckerby Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:13 pm
The McCall loss was Correa as trainer.
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by ONETWOFOREVER Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:14 pm
Thats what I said opporsite corner.
What has he really done with Wlad??? The man still jibberdy jabs gribberdy grabs as he has always done.
What has he really done with Wlad??? The man still jibberdy jabs gribberdy grabs as he has always done.
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by HumanWindmill Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:16 pm
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Thats what I said opporsite corner.
What has he really done with Wlad??? The man still jibberdy jabs gribberdy grabs as he has always done.
When did you say that?
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by ONETWOFOREVER Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:17 pm
Michael Moorer - wrecked.
Jermain Taylor - Unbeaten before Steward wrecked
Nazeem Hamed - the same unbeaten and wrecked
G.Man - wrecked his career by walking out on him before Benn fight.
Jermain Taylor - Unbeaten before Steward wrecked
Nazeem Hamed - the same unbeaten and wrecked
G.Man - wrecked his career by walking out on him before Benn fight.
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by ShahenshahG Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:17 pm
Onetwo - I suggest you watch Wlads earlier fights. Much more safety first now.
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by superflyweight Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:18 pm
Thats what I said opporsite corner.
No you didn't. Unless you said it to yourself or to your teenage female alias.
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by Sir. badgerhands Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:19 pm
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Thats what I said opporsite corner.
What has he really done with Wlad??? The man still jibberdy jabs gribberdy grabs as he has always done.
Is this the same Wlad that is currently HW world champion.
With no real challenges on the horizon due to beating pretty much all there is in his division.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by AlexHuckerby Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:21 pm
OneTwo I don't understand, what has he done with Wlad? He's made him more diverse (Believe it or not) He's worked on defense, isn't it strange he hasn't been tagged since he started working with him. He's also better at exerting pressure upon opponents when he can and his footwork has improved.
He's a good trainer for the right type of fighters, in fact I would say great.
He's a good trainer for the right type of fighters, in fact I would say great.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by coxy0001 Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:21 pm
Michael Moorer - wrecked.
Never had a chin
Jermain Taylor - Unbeaten before Steward wrecked
Smokescreen with the two BHop wins?
Nazeem Hamed - the same unbeaten and wrecked
Was overrated anyway and just got found out.
G.Man - wrecked his career by walking out on him before Benn fight.
Didn't GMan get that clown with the army hat in because he viewed it as an easy fight and figured he didn't need to pay Steward the big retainer he was on?
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by ONETWOFOREVER Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:27 pm
coxy0001 wrote:Michael Moorer - wrecked.
Never had a chinJermain Taylor - Unbeaten before Steward wrecked
Smokescreen with the two BHop wins?Nazeem Hamed - the same unbeaten and wrecked
Was overrated anyway and just got found out.G.Man - wrecked his career by walking out on him before Benn fight.
Moorer had a bad chin yes but this was exposed against Cooper so why could Steward do nothing to rectify the problem?
Jermain Taylor beat Pavlik in the amature yet struggled badly against him in the pros.
Nazeem Hamed Steward just could do nothing with him - no way over rated.
G.Man Steward walked out on his fighter. Benn would never had won had Steward been in the corner.
Didn't GMan get that clown with the army hat in because he viewed it as an easy fight and figured he didn't need to pay Steward the big retainer he was on?
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by AlexHuckerby Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:27 pm
Ok you've done the quote... Now type the comment...
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by coxy0001 Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:28 pm
And not every trainer has 100% success. Roach has had plenty lose fights, Brother Naz the same.
A sign of a great trainer are the fighters he attracts, and he has an impressive resume. If guys thought their careers would get wrecked they wouldn't go to him... But they did, so go figure.
A sign of a great trainer are the fighters he attracts, and he has an impressive resume. If guys thought their careers would get wrecked they wouldn't go to him... But they did, so go figure.
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by AlexHuckerby Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:29 pm
Yeah Linares just lost a fight he should have won and he's trained by Freddy... Maybe he wrecks fighters careers too...
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by PPVxHOTTY Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:50 pm
Just because a fighter loses under a trainer dosent make the trainer bad or in you're case 'wreck the fighters career'. Coxy hits nail on head if Manny is attracting these so called top fighters then why would they go to him if their careers will be wrecked!!
I think reading up about Charlie Goldman would give many an insight into what makes a top trainer. Slowly and methodically Charlie trained the great Rocky Marciano, most other trainers would probably have ruined Rocky but Charlie molded Rocky into the undefeated fighting machine that he became.
Cus D´Amato was another legendary trainer, who produced Patterson and Tyson.
Eddie Futch Joe Fraziers 'r.i.p' trainer, is rated by many as greatest trainer ever lived.
I think reading up about Charlie Goldman would give many an insight into what makes a top trainer. Slowly and methodically Charlie trained the great Rocky Marciano, most other trainers would probably have ruined Rocky but Charlie molded Rocky into the undefeated fighting machine that he became.
Cus D´Amato was another legendary trainer, who produced Patterson and Tyson.
Eddie Futch Joe Fraziers 'r.i.p' trainer, is rated by many as greatest trainer ever lived.
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by superflyweight Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:56 pm
Slowly and methodically Charlie trained the great Rocky Marciano, most other trainers would probably have ruined Rocky but Charlie molded Rocky into the undefeated fighting machine that he became.
Of course Az will argue that he actually ruined Rocky's career.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by coxy0001 Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:57 pm
Oh god. Here we go again.
Off for the weekend! Have a good one one and all, apart from Az.
Off for the weekend! Have a good one one and all, apart from Az.
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by JabMachine Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:01 pm
Manny pumps out champions.
He can't make every single fighter undefeated - name one trainer who everyone who goes through his gym becomes an undefeated boxer.
He can't make every single fighter undefeated - name one trainer who everyone who goes through his gym becomes an undefeated boxer.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:32 pm
He also transformed the ordinary milton mcrory, Hilmer Kenty, Jimmy Paul into bonafide world champions...
Nothing is ever grey with you...It's always black or white
Nothing is ever grey with you...It's always black or white
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by azania Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:02 pm
coxy0001 wrote:Oh god. Here we go again.
Off for the weekend! Have a good one one and all, apart from Az.
Have a great weekend poxy. Hope you stop thinking of me and give your hands a break. Charlie was good. Better sniffed than smoked (or so Windy told me) but there you go. But Goldman was good for Rocky. Turned the man's physical limitations into an asset.
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Re: Manny Steward wrecks careers!
by Imperial Ghosty Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:02 pm
Steward is a great trainer without doubt, the successes he's had far far outweigh the failures and can the blame for Hameds and Taylors losses really be held against him, nobody could have got Hamed to train properly by that stage of his career.
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