What makes Federer so great?

Roger Federer is a Swiss tennis player who is currently number 3 in the rankings. He is recognised by many as one of the greats in the game with a superb all-round game. Even the mighty Swiss does have some weaknesses though, his mental strength has been questionable (2 match points US Open SF 2 years in a row) and his backhand tends to collapse at times.
However let's forget these weaknesses for now, this article is about the positive side of Federer. What is his best shot/ which shot has improved the most!

Potential categories:
Serve
FH
BH
Defence
Mental Strength
Fitness/Stamina
Return of Serve
Drop shot/lobs
Volleys

Leave your thoughts

He could walk on water?

No replies from Fed fans...

I actually think Federer's mental strength and backhand are good!

The way he manages to contain himself mentally throughout even the most challenging of matches is very impressive. He is rarely negative with himself. This is an area of mental strength that he is perhaps unmatched in by current players. He is able to bounce back and rationalise even the toughest of losses (maybe having won what he has won helps... ). He doesn't get over excited either within a match. He saves a lot of mental energy this way. Some players can do this because they are perhaps not so affected by wins and losses. I think Federer cares very much judging my his reactions after a match but he able to control his emotions whilst playing.

Unfortunately for him his biggest rival has a lethal topspin forehand that when matched against his backhand is the better shot. Other players do not possess this weapon so against them his backhand is very effective.

As for all the other shots you've listed. Well he's great at them all.

Federer is just great! I don't understand how any tennis fan cannot agree with this.

I've checked into this thread three times and I still can't work out the point of it.

Looks like I'm not alone.

amritia3ee wrote:Leave your thoughts

For a second, I thought this said "leave your thinking."

i agree with most of the analysis by hawkeye. to me his greatness is reflected by his grace, cotrolled aggression, and also by his occasional drop in form as shown by dropped matchpoints and bagel set loss as in FO. he is human.

He's a grear player- but not the greatest for me.

laverfan wrote:

amritia3ee wrote:Leave your thoughts

For a second, I thought this said "leave your thinking."

same here LF, coz you can only think such a way on these kind of threads

I can't see the point of this thread either. We've had similar threads to this in the past at the appropriate juncture in time.

amritia3ee, as you're a self confessed Nadal fan, of course you would say he's not as good as Nadal, tell us something we don't know! Nor do I see why you started a thread on Federer and then state the view he's not as good as Nadal which is entirely irrelevant to the thread topic. No wonder so few Fed fans like myself haven't been interested in posting on this thread.

When Nadal overtakes Fed's haul of 16 grand slams, you might get many more agreeing with you that Nadal is better. Until then, seek solace with your merry band of Nadal fans and dwindling media commentators who take that view too.

amritia3ee wrote:Yh still don't think he's as good as Nadal though.

That seems to be the real topic of discussion. You, SA, HE, Tenez and many others can continue the usual Fedal debates. Just shows a dearth of imagination.

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laverfan wrote:

amritia3ee wrote:Yh still don't think he's as good as Nadal though.

That seems to be the real topic of discussion. You, SA, HE, Tenez and many others can continue the usual Fedal debates. Just shows a dearth of imagination.

Don't be ridiculous, in that case I would have mentioned the 187-9 H2H record
*thanks for the correction

Amritia3ee - Its 17-9 btw if you refer to a stat you gotta be on the ball!

LuvSports! wrote:Amritia3ee - Its 17-9 btw if you refer to a stat you gotta be on the ball!

That's not counting the match the played half clay/ half grass. I quite enjoyed that match.

amritia3ee wrote:Vote in the poll!

Have you heard of Hrbaty or Davydenko?

You should also check out Reto Schmidli.

Well then you have to include all the other exhibitions then by that logic but as you surely know they aren't counted officially i think you just got it wrong there!
1) The two 'Matches for Africa' are 1-1,
2) Rafa won in UAE 7-6 7-6
3) Rafa won 7-5 at the clash of the champions
4) Rafa wins in the 'Battle of the surfaces'
So if exhibitions counted it would be 21-10 rafa but as it doesn't the head to head is 17-9

Hmm 21-10 sounds nicer, but Federer would be in double figures.

Is it possible that the OP actually believes they are bringing something new to the forum?

But to be honest, it will be embarrasing for Nadal to get beaten 10 times by Federer. As if 9 times is not embarrasing already. He should stop gifting the end of seasob loses to him.

Simple_Analyst wrote:But to be honest, it will be embarrasing for Nadal to get beaten 10 times by Federer. As if 9 times is not embarrasing already. He should stop gifting the end of seasob loses to him.

tbh its still a very one sided H2H.

It's funny how a thread about what makes Federer so great (interestingly started by a new Nadal fan on this forum) becomes a thread to bash Federer with.

The motivation is so transparent that it's no surprise many of the contributions are from Nadal fans as opposed to real admirers of Federer, which presumably is who the thread is for?

The fact SA is contributing says it all, I'm amazed he's still coming back on the forum after his utter humiliation of the final set tie breaker thread, oh, how many laughs that gave us all! That really did prove some posters really don't have a clue what they're talking about!

real Federer admirers?

More like rabid Federer-worshippers.

luciusmann wrote:It's funny how a thread about what makes Federer so great (interestingly started by a new Nadal fan on this forum) becomes a thread to bash Federer with.

The motivation is so transparent that it's no surprise many of the contributions are from Nadal fans as opposed to real admirers of Federer, which presumably is who the thread is for?

The fact SA is contributing says it all, I'm amazed he's still coming back on the forum after his utter humiliation of the final set tie breaker thread, oh, how many laughs that gave us all! That really did prove some posters really don't have a clue what they're talking about!

And the Dr "Zeus" follow up.

Comedy Gold

As is well known, as your such a well known Federer hater, as is proven with the venom with which you show complete hatred of Federer and anyone who defends him, and done so by personally denigrating not just Federer but also anyone on the forum who defends him, it's easy to show it's you, who is the rabid Federer hater.

Someone who says they like the way Federer plays is a 'rabid Federer-worshipper(s)' and it's easy to see in your posts you're happy to attack posters personally just for expressing a liking (even if the person isn't a Federer fan). Vicious, puerile and personal perfectly describes your posts. You can't stick to the tennis, it's usually a sign of someone who knows they're losing the argument.

Back on topic:
Personally I think it's his forehand but his backhand is improving.

Of course his serve is crucial- in the FO earlier this year he was serving very well.

Lol easy Luciusmann your life is not at stake.

Simple_Analyst wrote:Lol easy Luciusmann your life is not at stake.

No, but my boredom threshold is in severe danger.

Indeed, it isn't but having seen how you belittled Fedex is the best earlier, it shows you're still up to your old tricks of insulting other posters. His wife had nothing to do with his posts, but you somehow think it's acceptable to drag his wife into it?

At least Cicero was highly articulate and polished when he used the same tactic, your posts certainly are not. Cicero would also have got himself out of the pickle you made in the final set tie breaker thread too.

What final set tiebreaker thread? Is this your made up creation or what?

I implore you to read it! It gave many of us bundles of laughs. I don't think there is a poster on here who managed to humiliate themselves so badly by their own hand!

https://www.606v2.com/t13448-deciding-set-tie-breaks-and-implications-on-mental-toughness

amritia3ee, how long you been reading this site before you joined? Perhaps, you'd have been more careful to have SA on your bandwagon of bashing Federer, afterall, he lost near all credibility on that thread. However, you be the judge, read it yourself!

Cicero would also have got himself out of the pickle you made in the final set tie breaker thread too.
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Cicero had his bad moments too. He just chose to not write these down.

You have to admire the bravery of Simply Analist

S_A has impressed me with his good use of logic and ability to come to sensible conclusions. Unlike many other on here who let their bias cloud their judgement

Lol Luciusmann, your blood boils easily huh? I had a good laugh at you and Boggo on that thread. You barked alot and at the end of the day, couldn't prove the theory wrong. Still haven't got over it?

amritia3ee wrote:S_A has impressed me with his good use of logic and ability to come to sensible conclusions. Unlike many other on here who let their bias cloud their judgement

Do you mind pointing out where that good use of logic is in the thread I posted earlier? He can't even use the data correctly to support his own conclusions, talk about idiocy!

It's clear from your other threads that you've set up that you've allowed your Nadal fanaticism to cloud your judgement because threads you claim are there to evaluate the greatness of Federer are thinly veiled attacks upon Federer. I think you need to re-evaluate your approach on this forum if this is what your intending on doing. Stirring up and antagonizing Federer fans makes little sense to me, you won't drive us away through such an approach!

amritia3ee wrote:S_A has impressed me with his good use of logic and ability to come to sensible conclusions. Unlike many other on here who let their bias cloud their judgement

I like to think I have a cordial relationship with S_A and will even admit to a certain fondness of him, but even he admits to just showing up every now and then to have a bit of fun bashing Fed and hoping to wind up Fed fans. And he does it quite well - he plays it with an admirably straight face, but even he doesn't take himself too seriously.
I'm hoping amritia's comment also isn't meant as a serious compliment. S_A doesn't even try to be logical most of the time.

I am a Federer fan, but also enjoy other players' skills, including Rafa. It makes me feel sad at the level of some postings in the thread above. I better watch out and keep away from some of the poster's postings, the identities now well revealed. Good lesson learnt, I must say.

SA, clearly you need to brush up on your English, as we know it's not your first language (as you said). I'm very calm thanks SA, it's immensely amusing you're back to embarrass yourself, as I understand you did with Dr Zeus recently? Ah, some things stay the same!

I'm not going to go over a thread in which you humiliated yourself so badly, not a single person came to your aid and that includes lydian. You asserted the stats from the ATP website was for 5th set tie breakers, they are not. They are for the deciding set (nothing to do exclusively with tie breakers as you alleged at all). Read back, maybe you might come to your senses and realise how foolish you appear on that thread!

Luciusmann unfortunately educating a typical Federer fan is like using a kitchen knife to cut diamond. A rather hopeless expectations of result. I just have a good laugh.

Lol Dr Seuss? Boggo is an enthusiast. He introduce me to the children's author.
You still can't get over me using probability and flawless maths on that Tie break thread?

Q - What makes Federer so great?

A - Haters like u, a person is more popular when he gets either love or hatred. People hate somebody coz they are jealous of his achivements, in Federer's case there are some wums who cannot tolerate his success and they spend day in day out trying to defame hime, but what they dont realize is they make him more popular and make fans feel he is the greatest player.

So What makes Federer great?
Its the WUMs who make him great.

Simple_Analyst wrote:You still can't get over me...

And I never will

luciusmann wrote:SA, clearly you need to brush up on your English, as we know it's not your first language (as you said). I'm very calm thanks SA, it's immensely amusing you're back to embarrass yourself, as I understand you did with Dr Zeus recently? Ah, some things stay the same!

I'm not going to go over a thread in which you humiliated yourself so badly, not a single person came to your aid and that includes lydian. You asserted the stats from the ATP website was for 5th set tie breakers, they are not. They are for the deciding set (nothing to do exclusively with tie breakers as you alleged at all). Read back, maybe you might come to your senses and realise how foolish you appear on that thread!

Yeah, it was hilarious wasn't it? If I recall correctly, he did the same thing he tried with Dr "Zeus" and desperately maintained he meant something else for a while.

The really great bit was when the penny dropped that to meet his statistic some players had to have won a massive amount of matches on a final set tie break and he'd completely overlooked the relative srarity of the event itself.

It was extremely funny.

invisiblecoolers wrote:Q - What makes Federer so great?

A - Haters like u, a person is more popular when he gets either love or hatred. People hate somebody coz they are jealous of his achivements, in Federer's case there are some wums who cannot tolerate his success and they spend day in day out trying to defame hime, but what they dont realize is they make him more popular and make fans feel he is the greatest player.

So What makes Federer great?
Its the WUMs who make him great.

I don't hate Federer by any means. For me he is on of the greatest players of all time, but not the greatest. Just because I think Nadal is better than Federer doesn't mean I hate Federer.

invisiblecoolers wrote:Q - What makes Federer so great?

A - Haters like u, a person is more popular when he gets either love or hatred. People hate somebody coz they are jealous of his achivements, in Federer's case there are some wums who cannot tolerate his success and they spend day in day out trying to defame hime, but what they dont realize is they make him more popular and make fans feel he is the greatest player.

So What makes Federer great?
Its the WUMs who make him great.

iC... Well said.

amritia3ee wrote:Just because I think Nadal is better than Federer doesn't mean I hate Federer.

But it does seem to mean you spend a lot of time wanting to prove Nadal is better and treat with contempt people who disagree with you. I can't quite work out why you would want to do either.

Penny drops for amritia3ee that beng Simplistics ventriloquists dummy might not have been the smartest move.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

amritia3ee wrote:Just because I think Nadal is better than Federer doesn't mean I hate Federer.

But it does seem to mean you spend a lot of time wanting to prove Nadal is better and treat with contempt people who disagree with you. I can't quite work out why you would want to do either.

The only people I got annoyed with was Tenez and bogbrush for continuously calling me 'armpit' in an attempt at humour.