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New weapon for plays less than 5 metres out.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:18 am

Rugby can learn a lot from other sports. The awareness of space from sevens, the defensive line from league, the power and leg-drive in bobsleighing.

Here´s a new one from American football. Picture this. Your side is plugging away at the defensive line less than 5 metres out from the opposition goal line. Your forwards try to burrow over but the defence keeps repelling you backwards. You sense the forwards are getting tired and run the risk of being counter-rucked. Time to bring in this guy:



Depending on where he lands, he can always run round to make it closer to the posts.

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Post by Feckless Rogue Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:28 pm

I'd love to see a prop try that.
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:40 pm

I love the commentator. That would´ve been 10 0 in the Olympics. So the US judge gives it a 10 and the Russian judge a big fat 0. Sounds realistic I guess but not sure he meant to say that.

I have seen a prop jump over a ruck and score but never a flip. Ashton could try it.

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Post by Thomond Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:46 pm

That guy is an average enough receiver. Great move al the same. Hurdling has been in the NFL for a long time and I saw Shane Williams do it last season. I think some refs would call it up though. He didn't have to somersault he could have got in there anyway.

For hurdling see his guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sTnTcks3Qo&feature=related and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ka2iDGAWA

This last one isn't a hurdle but some strong tough running all the same. Would make a class centre! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO1gN0o4JO4&feature=related

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Post by George Carlin Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:04 pm

That guy just moved more in six and a half seconds than Graham Morrison has in his entire career.
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Post by robbo277 Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:41 pm

Isn't it illegal in rugby to try and jump a tackle?

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Post by Knackeredknees Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:25 am

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Yes it is
Shane Williams was pinged for it this year

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:30 am

Who was Shane Williams trying to jump? Was the ball boy in the way?

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Post by Knackeredknees Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:57 am

Palmer(i think)
he jumped in causing him to tip over palmer as he went in for the tackle

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:11 am

Palmer! That is the very definition of optimism trying to do that!

All I could find was him trying to hurdle Ojo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94YiGIte0BA

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:17 am

The reason you arent allowed to jump into the tackle in rugby is that its illegal to tackle a player who is in the air.
Anything williams has done ( and got away with) is also a long way off backflipping over an upright player. The athleticism in the NFL is mind blowing. Im not sure why he didnt just sidestep right once the defender had sold himself though.

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Post by Guest Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:23 am

Lewsey's version on Traille in the 2007 world cup was a bit more direct but the same result. Cheeky pat on the head to round it off too.

Can't find a YouTube link Sad

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:33 am

I have seen someone Superman dive over a ruck to score then. I guess you´re allowed to jump over the try line and then you can be tackled so to speak or held up when you´re in the air.

I can see why it´s not done in open play but imagine if Ashton had someone in his way and he dove not so much over a player but away from him and over the try line then that is allowed. A dive is not the same as a flip, granted, and you wouldn´t want to encourage that sort of thing as if it doesn´t come off you could get seriously hurt.

I wouldn´t want to see it in the game but I did respect the guy for pulling that off in the NFL. A real showboat move but if it hadn´t come off he´d either be in a world of hurt or a world of shame.

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Post by OzT Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:12 am

I think it is just amazing. As PSB said, the athleticism in the NFL issimply mind blowing!

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Post by Thomond Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:15 pm

Apparently the guy does it in practice aswell. It's grand doing it in practic where your team mates aren't seriously going to try and hurt you but to do it with the game on the line requires some cojones. This might interest some of you: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-no-huddle/09000d5d8258159d/Was-Simpson-s-flip-most-athletic-play-of-year

There is some ridiculous athleticism in the NFL but for every Cam Newton,LeGarette Blount and Jerome Simpson, there's a O-line man.

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Post by OzT Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:28 pm

What's an O-line man please?

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Post by Thomond Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:26 pm

Offensive line man. The guys weighing in over 300 pounds and who aren't incredibly fit. They have to be a bit strong and as they are protecting the QB from fast linebackers and defensive ends. O-line

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Post by OzT Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:50 pm

Cheers Thomond!

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:28 pm

Nice vid Thomond! Cheers for that. That was a seriously long dive with a forward roll. Ashton needs to check out that. The swallow dive seems more of a sparrow dive after seeing that!

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Post by Breadvan Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:57 pm

Imagine Clay Mathews or Brian Urlacher playing union? Yikes
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Post by lostinwales Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:12 pm

Only thing I would add is that when it works its truly amazing but it does have the potential to go horribly wrong

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