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Exeter Chiefs: An Honest Progression
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In all of the excitement around the final pool matches of the Heineken Cup at the weekend, a significant result for a small club from the South West of England may have gone unnoticed. For those who are unaware Exeter Chiefs beat Union Sportive des Arlequins Perpignanais, better known simply as Perpignan, by thirty-one points to fourteen, to win their pool and progress to the quarter finals of Amlin Challenge Cup.
Whilst this tournament may be considered the ugly stepsister to the Cinderella magic of the Heineken Cup, the achievement of the Chiefs in reaching the last eight should not be underestimated. Having been drawn in a pool with USAP and the RaboDirect Pro 12's only entrants, Newport Gwent Dragons, the Chiefs were given scant chance by most pundits and every bookmaker around of topping the pool. With qualification for next seasons Heineken Cup unlikely for either the French or Welsh sides through their league positions, their most realistic hope of returning to the top table in Europe was winning the Amlin. As such the Chiefs would need to go some to progress from arguably the toughest pool in the competition.
So the question is, given the frequent and ever increasing murmurings from numerous Aviva Premiership head coaches about salary caps, and how the English teams are hamstrung in Europe as a result, how have they achieved this relative success? You have to remember that less than two seasons ago this was a team plying their trade in the second tier of English domestic rugby.
They have precious few 'star turns' amongst their squad, with Tom Johnson the only inclusion amongst the 64 players selected by Stuart Lancaster for England's current elite squads, and their style of play appears to be a simple one. They ensure that their basics are correct, and work hard, and if that does not work, they simply work harder again. Their on field style, is a clear reflection of one of the two men who have been instrumental in them finding themselves where they are today, head coach Rob Baxter. Whilst chairman Tony Rowe must take a lot of credit for the off field decisions that have been taken, it is Baxter who has produced a side capable of competing against whatever is thrown at them.
He is clearly a very intelligent and honest man, as reflected in his side, but beyond that he appears to have a rare and special talent, and that is the ability to get the best from players, indeed sometimes more than they even knew they could give. There are players a plenty within the squad, who have tried and failed at other clubs, yet as part of the Chiefs line up do not look out of place competing against the top international players that other sides bring to Sandy Park. His honesty clearly plays a key part in extracting performances from his players, but it is the realistic targets that he sets for them, and his assessments of their achievements that mark him out as a man who knows where he wants to be, and how to get there.
Having finished 8th in their first season in the top flight, above former champions London Wasps, Sale Sharks and Newcastle Falcons, his stated aims for this season were simple, to produce a better result in each game than they had in the corresponding fixture last season. Whilst they may not completely achieve this target, Baxter knows that if they get anywhere close to it, then they will be well clear of any relegation worries, and potentially challenging for Heineken Cup rugby next season, or even a play off place. I remind you again at this stage, that this is a team who less than two years ago were playing against the likes of Birmingham & Solihull and Coventry, so achievement of a play off place or Heineken Cup rugby should not be underestimated in any way.
Baxter's realism was never more apparent than when interviewed after the teams win over Worcester Warriors on 4th December, which saw his side firmly embedded in the top half of the table.
“Being right up there in the league is just reward for the hard work we have put in this season,” said Baxter. “However, we need to continue working as hard as we have over the past few seasons. We need to move forward in small steps. I’m not expecting to do things in leaps and bounds and our season will not be defined on whether we finish in the top four or top six. Our season will be defined on whether we are a good, solid Premiership side. That’s what we are aiming to be and it looks like we are heading in the right direction."
Baxter clearly knows that you can't go directly from bottom to top in one go, much as you can't go straight from 1st to 5th gear in a car, as it will stall, and it is this realism that will enable the Chiefs in time to become one of the top sides in the Premiership. The off field structures are there, with improvements being made to the ground which will increase capacity, and an ever increasing fan base to fill it. On the field, good players will be drawn by Baxter and the clubs honesty and will assist with making the improvements required to go up another level.
The club has become almost a beacon for teams in the lower leagues, a model for how to break into the England's' rugby elite. They give hope to fans and players alike, that rugby is still a game for all shapes and sizes, be they built like Chris Budgen or Sireli Naqelevuki, and they seem from the outside looking in to be a club that hold the games traditional values dear. Baxter is the glue that holds it all together, and the club need to ensure he remains if they are to continue on their current upward trend.
On the first weekend in April, they will travel to Paris to take on Stade Francais for the right to potentially meet Toulon in the South of France in the semi final a couple of weeks later. Over the same period the season before last they were battling with Nottingham, London Welsh and Doncaster for the right to face Bristol and a have a shot at the Premiership. They have moved on quickly, but have done so in the right way, and most neutrals will be hoping that they continue to do so. How far they can go, time till tell, but if they continue their honest progression, then 2014/15 Aviva Premiership Champions maybe isn't such a pipe dream for The Tribe after all.
In all of the excitement around the final pool matches of the Heineken Cup at the weekend, a significant result for a small club from the South West of England may have gone unnoticed. For those who are unaware Exeter Chiefs beat Union Sportive des Arlequins Perpignanais, better known simply as Perpignan, by thirty-one points to fourteen, to win their pool and progress to the quarter finals of Amlin Challenge Cup.
Whilst this tournament may be considered the ugly stepsister to the Cinderella magic of the Heineken Cup, the achievement of the Chiefs in reaching the last eight should not be underestimated. Having been drawn in a pool with USAP and the RaboDirect Pro 12's only entrants, Newport Gwent Dragons, the Chiefs were given scant chance by most pundits and every bookmaker around of topping the pool. With qualification for next seasons Heineken Cup unlikely for either the French or Welsh sides through their league positions, their most realistic hope of returning to the top table in Europe was winning the Amlin. As such the Chiefs would need to go some to progress from arguably the toughest pool in the competition.
So the question is, given the frequent and ever increasing murmurings from numerous Aviva Premiership head coaches about salary caps, and how the English teams are hamstrung in Europe as a result, how have they achieved this relative success? You have to remember that less than two seasons ago this was a team plying their trade in the second tier of English domestic rugby.
They have precious few 'star turns' amongst their squad, with Tom Johnson the only inclusion amongst the 64 players selected by Stuart Lancaster for England's current elite squads, and their style of play appears to be a simple one. They ensure that their basics are correct, and work hard, and if that does not work, they simply work harder again. Their on field style, is a clear reflection of one of the two men who have been instrumental in them finding themselves where they are today, head coach Rob Baxter. Whilst chairman Tony Rowe must take a lot of credit for the off field decisions that have been taken, it is Baxter who has produced a side capable of competing against whatever is thrown at them.
He is clearly a very intelligent and honest man, as reflected in his side, but beyond that he appears to have a rare and special talent, and that is the ability to get the best from players, indeed sometimes more than they even knew they could give. There are players a plenty within the squad, who have tried and failed at other clubs, yet as part of the Chiefs line up do not look out of place competing against the top international players that other sides bring to Sandy Park. His honesty clearly plays a key part in extracting performances from his players, but it is the realistic targets that he sets for them, and his assessments of their achievements that mark him out as a man who knows where he wants to be, and how to get there.
Having finished 8th in their first season in the top flight, above former champions London Wasps, Sale Sharks and Newcastle Falcons, his stated aims for this season were simple, to produce a better result in each game than they had in the corresponding fixture last season. Whilst they may not completely achieve this target, Baxter knows that if they get anywhere close to it, then they will be well clear of any relegation worries, and potentially challenging for Heineken Cup rugby next season, or even a play off place. I remind you again at this stage, that this is a team who less than two years ago were playing against the likes of Birmingham & Solihull and Coventry, so achievement of a play off place or Heineken Cup rugby should not be underestimated in any way.
Baxter's realism was never more apparent than when interviewed after the teams win over Worcester Warriors on 4th December, which saw his side firmly embedded in the top half of the table.
“Being right up there in the league is just reward for the hard work we have put in this season,” said Baxter. “However, we need to continue working as hard as we have over the past few seasons. We need to move forward in small steps. I’m not expecting to do things in leaps and bounds and our season will not be defined on whether we finish in the top four or top six. Our season will be defined on whether we are a good, solid Premiership side. That’s what we are aiming to be and it looks like we are heading in the right direction."
Baxter clearly knows that you can't go directly from bottom to top in one go, much as you can't go straight from 1st to 5th gear in a car, as it will stall, and it is this realism that will enable the Chiefs in time to become one of the top sides in the Premiership. The off field structures are there, with improvements being made to the ground which will increase capacity, and an ever increasing fan base to fill it. On the field, good players will be drawn by Baxter and the clubs honesty and will assist with making the improvements required to go up another level.
The club has become almost a beacon for teams in the lower leagues, a model for how to break into the England's' rugby elite. They give hope to fans and players alike, that rugby is still a game for all shapes and sizes, be they built like Chris Budgen or Sireli Naqelevuki, and they seem from the outside looking in to be a club that hold the games traditional values dear. Baxter is the glue that holds it all together, and the club need to ensure he remains if they are to continue on their current upward trend.
On the first weekend in April, they will travel to Paris to take on Stade Francais for the right to potentially meet Toulon in the South of France in the semi final a couple of weeks later. Over the same period the season before last they were battling with Nottingham, London Welsh and Doncaster for the right to face Bristol and a have a shot at the Premiership. They have moved on quickly, but have done so in the right way, and most neutrals will be hoping that they continue to do so. How far they can go, time till tell, but if they continue their honest progression, then 2014/15 Aviva Premiership Champions maybe isn't such a pipe dream for The Tribe after all.
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Aaaaaaargggggghhhhhhhhhhh.
The Tribe are invading, quick take the article down, we'll be overrun, it'll be like the Alamo!!!!
Just kidding, good to have more Chiefs on the site.
The Tribe are invading, quick take the article down, we'll be overrun, it'll be like the Alamo!!!!
Just kidding, good to have more Chiefs on the site.
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That was Mexicans Ozzie
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close enough
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You might be thinking of Little Bighorn
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The wifes not home yet that can wait
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Superb, PSW
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Looks like Chiefs are still progressing....
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Interesting read, missed this when it first popped up but yea, they well on their way to actually following through on Pete's initial guess that they could be champions this season!
Really impressed with how Chiefs play, their gameplan is perfect for the team but I do expect to see them fade as the season goes on. A small squad and a very physical season in the AP and Europe will drain them too much; and then the usual suspects will time their runs to perfection to make top4. Chiefs I think will finish 5th.
Really impressed with how Chiefs play, their gameplan is perfect for the team but I do expect to see them fade as the season goes on. A small squad and a very physical season in the AP and Europe will drain them too much; and then the usual suspects will time their runs to perfection to make top4. Chiefs I think will finish 5th.
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I seem to remember at the beginning of the season the consensus on 606 was 10th place .............for the struggling Chiefs with no star players.........apart from rejuvenating "Thomas the Tank " there are 4 junior WC winners beginning to mature , excellent coaching. I don't know about it having a small squad its just difficult to get into a winning team + low injuries. So I have to change by prediction of top 6 to certain play off position come the end of the season.
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They have some very impressive young players who are very much delivering on their potential.
Slade, Nowell, Hill, Ewers,
And they are mixing them very well with some wiley old characters...for example the introduction of Waldrom was ridiculed from the off...but he has been outstanding...
Slade, Nowell, Hill, Ewers,
And they are mixing them very well with some wiley old characters...for example the introduction of Waldrom was ridiculed from the off...but he has been outstanding...
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It's not really that small a squad, and there were plenty of injuries at the beginning of the season. By my reckoning, 25 players have started in the 9 AP games, with probably about another 10 or more benching and in LV/Challenge squads.
In contrast, Saturday's starting XV had the look of first choice, with the probable exception of Yeandle, and possibly Tom Johnson.
It also shouldn't be forgotten that Exe only lost 3 players to International teams during the AI window - they seem to have made the most of that advantage.
It sounds like this Thursday's team for the game away to La Rochelle will be a half and half, with the more battered of the recent starters replaced by bench/squad players - it'll still be a strong team and selected to win. The return fixture will probably be the opposite rotation, so most players will have had a rest before the AP resumes, whilst not losing match fitness. Another advantage over other teams in the Champions Cup.
In contrast, Saturday's starting XV had the look of first choice, with the probable exception of Yeandle, and possibly Tom Johnson.
It also shouldn't be forgotten that Exe only lost 3 players to International teams during the AI window - they seem to have made the most of that advantage.
It sounds like this Thursday's team for the game away to La Rochelle will be a half and half, with the more battered of the recent starters replaced by bench/squad players - it'll still be a strong team and selected to win. The return fixture will probably be the opposite rotation, so most players will have had a rest before the AP resumes, whilst not losing match fitness. Another advantage over other teams in the Champions Cup.
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My mistake, I thought you were in the Champions cup, true then you will get a lot more of a rest. Still think you may drop out of top four but who knows.
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Again not read the whole thread but Exeter are a model for a successful team. Not running huge deficits from what I understand, play entertaining rugby, good fans, and getting a bit of success
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TJ wrote:Again not read the whole thread but Exeter are a model for a successful team. Not running huge deficits from what I understand, play entertaining rugby, good fans, and getting a bit of success
You might have been disappointed if you'd seen the victories over Saints and Sarries. Chiefs have switched to full-on winter mode - forward grunt, kick-tennis and Steeno knocking over the pens.
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Really? How disappointing.
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Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:TJ wrote:Again not read the whole thread but Exeter are a model for a successful team. Not running huge deficits from what I understand, play entertaining rugby, good fans, and getting a bit of success
You might have been disappointed if you'd seen the victories over Saints and Sarries. Chiefs have switched to full-on winter mode - forward grunt, kick-tennis and Steeno knocking over the pens.
This to me just shows that they are developing a real all court game. Whatever the conditions or opponents they can adapt and get the job done.
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Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:TJ wrote:Again not read the whole thread but Exeter are a model for a successful team. Not running huge deficits from what I understand, play entertaining rugby, good fans, and getting a bit of success
You might have been disappointed if you'd seen the victories over Saints and Sarries. Chiefs have switched to full-on winter mode - forward grunt, kick-tennis and Steeno knocking over the pens.
against Saints the conditions were appalling, high wind and heavy rain. Saints yried to play, Chiefs made sure the game was in Saints half and capitalised on mistakes. Canny play.
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Ozzy3213 wrote:Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:TJ wrote:Again not read the whole thread but Exeter are a model for a successful team. Not running huge deficits from what I understand, play entertaining rugby, good fans, and getting a bit of success
You might have been disappointed if you'd seen the victories over Saints and Sarries. Chiefs have switched to full-on winter mode - forward grunt, kick-tennis and Steeno knocking over the pens.
This to me just shows that they are developing a real all court game. Whatever the conditions or opponents they can adapt and get the job done.
Totally Agree Ozzy.
What's the point trying to play attacking entertaining rugby in appalling conditions and losing. Play to the conditions and win the points.
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