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Will Wales reap the benefits of the ice chamber?

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Post by gnollbeast Sat 04 Feb 2012, 1:50 pm

If the temperature in Dublin is on or around zero, will Wales be the quickest to cope and adapt due to their numerous cryotherapy sessions? I don't know if Ireland train the same way, but the facilities Wales ahave been using remind me of something from Rocky IV.

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Post by Messymesina Sat 04 Feb 2012, 2:02 pm

When I took athletics seriously in my late teens it was widely held that an athlete would not benefit from a training session, that is show improvement from training for two weeks. My concern is that the players have trained hard too close for the benefit to be seen in Dublin. Unless they have tapered their training sufficiently Poland may have a negative impact.
Why do they have to go to Poland?

Just walk into any pub in Merthyr.

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Feb 2012, 2:30 pm

Cryotherapy is not about being able to cope with the cold. It's about being able to recover more quickly so that a higher number of high intensity sessions can be done in a day, thus really pushing their fitness levels up. That should show signs of a training affect in Dublin. Actually, the longer away from the Poland trip they get the more their fitness levels will fall. It won't last forever. Same as in the world cup: they would have been fittest at the start of the tournament (closest to the Poland trip) and then this training effect would gradually 'wear off'.

I heard the players were criticised by Gatland because they'd let their world
Cup fitness levels fall so far when they met up recently!

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Post by Messymesina Sat 04 Feb 2012, 3:17 pm

Recovery is the key Griff and the crux of my point. Rest is crucial to peaking. If you apply your logic then the players would be at their fittest by training flat out the morning before the match. Once you have attained fitness, (peaked) it's easier to maintain fitness through the season by not training flat out. So I think you are wrong. Wales were equally fit in the world cup (VO2 max) in the first game as their last, though of course wear and tear would have to be taken into account.
Cryotherapy speeds recovery as it's anti inflammatory as I'm sure you know.
Anyways I'm off to watch the rug.

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Post by Thomond Sat 04 Feb 2012, 3:19 pm

Ireland used Spala for years so I don't think it will be an issue. Dublin is supposed to be around 10 or degrees anyway.

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Feb 2012, 4:28 pm

Messy, I was just disagreeing with the OP who was suggesting that the ice chambers would help with the cold temperature of the game. Agree 100% with what you say. I wouldn't suggest training flat out all the way up to the morning of the game, obviously! That's not my logic at all. All I was saying is the the use of ice chambers is to aid training and allow a greater intensity as the cold treatment speeds up recovery, etc. As they don't go back to the ice chambers mid tournament or further into the season (I can't see the regions going there) then they wont be able to get that same training environment and the ability to train as they can in spala, so naturally their fitness levels will drop over time to levels expected of non-cryotherapy training, I.e. their normal fitness levels.

A simple solution would be to get some chambers at the Vale hotel so they could go each month!

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Post by rodders Sat 04 Feb 2012, 5:51 pm

FFS check the forecast it is not cold in Ireland!!!! steam ....its been pissing down all day, windy and about 8-10 degrees...tomorrow will be warmer.
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Post by english warrior Sat 04 Feb 2012, 8:04 pm

I hope the Welsh edifice of B.S and Hubris, evaporates tomorrow in the course of a severe thumping from Ireland, so i truly hope and pray that the Ice chamber has provided little or nothing in the way of benefits for Wales. C'mon Ireland.!!

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Feb 2012, 9:10 pm

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Post by Guest Sat 04 Feb 2012, 9:12 pm

FOR THE LAST TIME, THE ICE CHAMBERS ARE NOT ABOUT THE TEMPERATURE OF THE GAME!


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Post by doctor_grey Sat 04 Feb 2012, 11:11 pm

Griff,
You are right as rain, this does nothing to acclimate anyone to cold temperatures. If that is what a coach wants, go train in John O Groats in January.

This is still a fairly misunderstood therapy. And some doctors, researchers, and pro sports teams still question their value. But, I believe they do work in some instances. To that end, I have sent a number of the athletes I have treated in recent years into the ice box, as it were. That's because I do believe it does help stimulate some forms of healing, specifically soft tissue healing. There is a body of study into hard tissue (bone) bit it is not conclusive, at least from the data I have seen.

I think using it to recover from regular workouts has zero value. And I have seen no data to the contrary. But muscle strains, sprains, pulls, tears, and separations, at the minimum do show accelerated recovery. But I see a number of coaches, even at high levels, who misunderstand how it works with the body. Hence the packing teams into the freezer.


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