Wales Vs Scotland - SUNDAY 12th FEBRUARY - KO 15:00 Gonna be a classic..!

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Wales Vs Scotland

Date: Sunday, February 12
Kick-off: 15:00
Venue: Millennium Stadium

Coverage: Live on BBC One Wales, BBC Radio Wales & online, S4C and Radio Cymru, plus live text and score updates on the BBC Sport website

Date: Sunday, February 12
Venue: Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Kick-off: 15:00 (15:00 GMT)
Expected weather: Cloudy with a few showers likely. High of 5°C, low of 3°C
Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant referees: Peter Fitzgibbon (Ireland), Simon McDowell (Ireland)
TMO: Giulio De Santis (Italy)



Scotland will encounter a Wales side oozing confidence when round two of the Six Nations concludes at the Millennium Stadium on Sunday.

The opening round of the Championship was a weekend of contrasting fortunes for the two sides.
Wales underlined their status as potential Six Nations champions with a rousing 23-21 victory over Ireland in Dublin. It was a wonderful advert for Six Nations rugby with two teams going at it hammer and tongs for a game won in the last 20 seconds.
That win came less than 24 hours after Scotland had started their challenge with a 13-6 loss to England at Murrayfield. The Scots created enough chances to have beaten their visitors last week, however simple errors coupled with a lack of tries led to another disappointing defeat for Andy Robinson's men, who have now lost three on the trot.
Just once in 13 attempts have Scotland won on the opening weekend of the tournament since Italy joined the Five Nations in 2000.
Scotland must now attempt to bounce back and beat the Welsh in their own back yard - something they have failed to achieve in a decade.
They came mighty close though in their last Cardiff contest after leading by ten points with seven minutes remaining, only for the now retired Shane Williams to score a last-gasp try to secure a dramatic 31-24 come-from-behind victory.
Winning away from home has been a wee bit of a problem for the Scots in the Six Nations, where they have won just once on the road since 2006 (23-20 against Ireland at Croke Park in 2010).
But despite Scotland's poor showing last weekend and dismal away record, Wales will do well not to underestimate Sunday's visitors who are expected to come out all guns blazing after asking for the Millennium Stadium roof to be closed.
With wet weather being forecast, Scotland - notwithstanding the apparent lack of abilities to score tries (at least in the past four games) - have backed themselves to take on Wales at their own expansive game.
"We cannot afford to underestimate Scotland, the amount of possession and territory they had against England last weekend meant that they should have won the game and they will come to the Millennium Stadium buoyed by that knowledge," said Wales coach Warren Gatland.
Wales have won the opening two games of a Six Nations campaign on just two previous occasions - in 2005 and 2008 - and each time they went on to win the title and Grand Slam. Three of the World Cup semi-finalists' remaining four games are in Cardiff, starting on Sunday when try-shy Scotland arrive at the Millennium Stadium.
But following Wales' heroics in Dublin, the build-up to Sunday's Test has been blighted by the suspension of Bradley Davies, who will miss the rest of this season's tournament after collecting a seven-week ban for a reckless tip-tackle on Ireland replacement Donnacha Ryan last weekend.
Davies is the second Wales player suspended for that offence this season following Sam Warburton's dismissal and three-week punishment for an incident in the World Cup semi-final against France last October.
Davies now joins his fellow World Cup locks Luke Charteris and Alun-Wyn Jones on the international sidelines. But in a triple boost for Gatland, flanker Dan Lydiate has recovered from an ankle injury to reclaim the number six shirt, prop Gethin Jenkins has recovered from knee trouble to start and skipper Warburton also features after being in doubt with a leg injury.
However, Warburton has been wrapped in cotton wool this whole week and took a very limited part in training while staying clear of any contact work. Whether he actually leads the team out hangs in the balance and probably won't be known until the morning of the match.
In a game where the back-row battle will be absolutely crucial, everyone in the Welsh camp - and in Wales as a whole - will be keeping their fingers crossed that the inspirational skipper can defy the injury odds and help guide his team to back-to-back wins.
Wales are favourites, but nobody should have any illusions how tough this match will be...
Ones to watch:

For Wales: Former Wales captain Ryan Jones will, as expected, fill the second-row void against Scotland caused by Bradley Davies' seven-week suspension. Jones was exceptional at blindside flanker against Ireland in Dublin and his versatility is proving of immeasurable value to Gatland.
For Scotland: With Dan Parks calling it quits from Test rugby this week, Greig Laidlaw inherits the number 10 jersey for Scotland. The Edinburgh skipper won the first two of his three caps as a replacement scrum-half, before coming on at fly-half for Parks in the Calcutta Cup defeat to England. Yet an impressive display during the small amount of time he was on the pitch has been rewarded with his first Test start.
Head to head: Toby Faletau v David Denton. Scotland's Zimbabwean-born number eight Denton was deservedly named man-of-the-match following his Herculean ball-carrying against England last Saturday, and much of the same will be required against the tough as nails Faletau, who will always be found where the battle is at its most ferocious.

Recent results:
2011: Wales won 24-6, Edinburgh
2010: Wales won 31-24, Cardiff
2009: Wales won 26-13, Edinburgh
2008: Wales won 30-15, Cardiff
2007: Scotland won 21-9, Edinburgh
2006: Wales won 28-18, Cardiff
2005: Wales won 46-22, Edinburgh
2004: Wales won 23-10, Cardiff
2003: Wales won 23-9, Cardiff
2003: Scotland won 30-22, Edinburgh
Prediction: Neither history or form is with Scotland heading into this match, and while we're sure they'll give it a good crack - we just can't see Wales letting this one slip. Wales to win by nine points!
Rugby Union betting odds

The teams:

Wales: 15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 George North, 10 Rhys Priestland, 9 Mike Phillips, 8 Toby Faletau, 7 Sam Warburton (c), 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Ian Evans, 4 Ryan Jones, 3 Adam Jones, 2 Huw Bennett, 1 Gethin Jenkins.

Replacements: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Paul James, 18 Lou Reed, 19 Andy Powell, 20 Lloyd Williams, 21 James Hook, 22 Scott Williams.

Scotland: 15 Rory Lamont, 14 Lee Jones, 13 Nick De Luca, 12 Sean Lamont, 11 Max Evans, 10 Greig Laidlaw, 9 Chris Cusiter, 8 David Denton, 7 Ross Rennie, 6 Alasdair Strokosch, 5 Jim Hamilton, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Geoff Cross, 2 Ross Ford (c), 1 Allan Jacobsen.

Replacements: 16 Scott Lawson, 17 Ed Kalman, 18 Alastair Kellock, 19 John Barclay, 20 Mike Blair, 21 Duncan Weir, 22 Stuart Hogg.

I want to see a correlation between Wales winning in questionable circumstances and the use of this emoticon :

The Great Aukster wrote:Rory - Wales well deserved the win. I agree Lydiate was fairly anonymous and for me Shingler was their best backrower. Scotland outplayed Wales by about 10% in the forwards but Wales were 50% better in the backs.

Gatland has to take the credit for the tactics and getting the players to execute them. I don't particularly like some of them like lying on the wrong side, holding on to players after the ball is long gone and lazy runners like Adam Jones but hey it's working and the ref is happy.

IMO Warren has nailed on the Lion's gig and will pick the whole Welsh backline although can't see more than one or two forwards making it.

I haven't said once that Wales did not deserve their win..

At this rate English players would be hard pressed to get into a Lions side.

I'd have EOS coaching the Lions, but I think I'm alone in that.

The Great Aukster wrote:Rory - Wales well deserved the win. I agree Lydiate was fairly anonymous and for me Shingler was their best backrower. Scotland outplayed Wales by about 10% in the forwards but Wales were 50% better in the backs.

Gatland has to take the credit for the tactics and getting the players to execute them. I don't particularly like some of them like lying on the wrong side, holding on to players after the ball is long gone and lazy runners like Adam Jones but hey it's working and the ref is happy.

IMO Warren has nailed on the Lion's gig and will pick the whole Welsh backline although can't see more than one or two forwards making it.

Just 50 per cent better?

We were missing some forwards. Jones, Faletau and Warburton will be Lions on current form so that's more than two already.

I thought today we was going to see a re run of yeterday when Italy scored 2 trys in as many minutes.

Like Wales today in the second half cought Scotland napping and getting 2 yellow card against them was realy the turning point of the game.

So the next game England and Wales play for the Triple Crown. England are still pretty mutch an unknown side, they are not playing the most exciting style of rugby, but they are 2 wins out of 2 games.

Wales on the other hand are a more settled team, although they do have one or two injury problems, are playing some exciting rugby, but like England are 2 wins from 2 games.

I would not like to predict the result of this game, as i believe that both teams will up their game for this game.

It is a shame that one team will have to be the loser. I just hope that that team is Wales.

Come on England.

England will be the clear favourites.

Morgannwg wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:Rory - Wales well deserved the win. I agree Lydiate was fairly anonymous and for me Shingler was their best backrower. Scotland outplayed Wales by about 10% in the forwards but Wales were 50% better in the backs.

Gatland has to take the credit for the tactics and getting the players to execute them. I don't particularly like some of them like lying on the wrong side, holding on to players after the ball is long gone and lazy runners like Adam Jones but hey it's working and the ref is happy.

IMO Warren has nailed on the Lion's gig and will pick the whole Welsh backline although can't see more than one or two forwards making it.

Just 50 per cent better?

We were missing some forwards. Jones, Faletau and Warburton will be Lions on current form so that's more than two already.

Evening folks just arrived back in our hotel, having been to a great match with some fantastic fans both from Scotland and our Wesh cousins, and then come back to review and then I have read this clown (among one or two others) contribution throughout the thread.
Mate don't know if you really are in University.... more like Infants School (after your juvenile comments spoiled which should have been a good debate during the live match).

We lost, and on an overall balance deserved it. A few personal views from me and many Welsh and Scottish fans on the match

First half
Shingler was your best forward by a country mile
Halfpenny was immense and Jon Davies outstanding in defense
Rennie/Gray/Denton awesome
Laidlaw disappointing and inspiring in equal measures, Blair gets the best out his halfback partner and should have been on from the start
Scotland had close on 65% of the territory and possession
39 min Chunk mucked up the try when it was easier to score than not to
Everybody agreed that Scotland should have been going into the break 10-3 up

Second Half
42 min. Cussiter mucks up an easy pickup, fantastic welsh pressure leads to the excellent Cuthbert brushing past Laidlaw too easily. 1/2p good conversion
44 min. YELLOW - Roberts knocks on in front of Linesman and Ref.......... ingnored!! instead sin-bin NDL (shades of 2010)
50 min. TRY - Intense pressure from Wales sensing blood, the excellent Cuthbert offloads to the more excellant 1/2p
54 min. YELLOW - Scotland cannot cope during this period and Rory fouls and is off
56 min TRY - Massive pressure from Wales just superb in their pressure, 1/2p is just unbelievable during this period
So that is that folks game over, 40th min 3-3 and Scotland on top, one mistake from Cussiter and 16 mins later 27-6 to Wales
62 min. TRY - Yes Yes Yes .......ahem NO says Romain Poite ...... thats one serious error mate, should be 27-13 now, thats going to pull us down
63 min. TRY - Yes Yes Yes .......ahem YES says Romain Poite ........ Laidlaw now making his mark on the game, so thats 27-20 and Scotland now have the Welsh in their sights, oooops sorry thought it was a nightmare and realised it was that try really was disallowed 27-13 still
64-80 mins............ Give and take from both sides
80 min. Scotland out on our feet, Wales fitness tells and a good win
Well done Wales ........ still on for that Triple Crown and Grand Slam

Overall assessment.......... the ref certainly changed the face of the game

Wales
1/2p pick of the bunch, Cuthbert, Jon Davies, Shingler were immense assisted by Lydiate,

Scotland
Blair should have started, Laidlaw came of age
Rennie IMHO was the MOM.

Wales deserved to win, but if the ref allowed the "try" who would have known

Lastly there are some boring ill educated WUMs on this site now, which is a shame as its got so much potential

Good read flyhalffactory - agree with you on more than a few things!

Flh,

Good, clean, intelligent post. About everything different from posters on the match here. Couldn't agree more. The only thing more frustrating than the result is the crap you read on here from Welsh WUMs.

Griff wrote:England will be the clear favourites.

Not even close, the bbc lads have England as massive underdogs and Wales just have to turn up if you listen to jd.

That's a fantastic post, Flyhalf.

I think that some of the kids on here, dont go to rugby games and havent learned the code or ethos of it all yet. I have partied with Welsh, Irish, English, Italian, Scottish and French fans. Have met some class people, who share the same values. A lot of them I now consider good friends. That's the real beauty of rugby. I love going on tour. Love meeting, chatting and having pints with opposition fans. Learn from them.

Its just great to hear your views and quotes from real fans on both sides.

Excellent. Please dont stop. Keep em coming. In fact, that would have made a great article. Ozzy(LI), does a mean match report. Better than most journos. We should all do it. It would diminish the effect of the few keyboard-warrior eejits on here.
Believe.

I agree fly half. But (there's always a but) you could as well be excoriating Rennie now as many other refs could have had him walking for infringing as often as was physically possible. I don't blame him mind. My point is that Poite's refusal to get to grips with the ruck could have spoilt this game, and his woefulness did impact both sides. I certainly felt this to be especially the case after the yellow cards. Big pluses for Scotland, it will come, you need a backs coach.

flyhalffactory wrote:Evening folks just arrived back in our hotel, having been to a great match with some fantastic fans both from Scotland and our Wesh cousins, and then come back to review and then I have read this clown (among one or two others) contribution throughout the thread.
Mate don't know if you really are in University.... more like Infants School (after your juvenile comments spoiled which should have been a good debate during the live match).

We lost, and on an overall balance deserved it. A few personal views from me and many Welsh and Scottish fans on the match

First half
Shingler was your best forward by a country mile
Halfpenny was immense and Jon Davies outstanding in defense
Rennie/Gray/Denton awesome
Laidlaw disappointing and inspiring in equal measures, Blair gets the best out his halfback partner and should have been on from the start
Scotland had close on 65% of the territory and possession
39 min Chunk mucked up the try when it was easier to score than not to
Everybody agreed that Scotland should have been going into the break 10-3 up

Second Half
42 min. Cussiter mucks up an easy pickup, fantastic welsh pressure leads to the excellent Cuthbert brushing past Laidlaw too easily. 1/2p good conversion
44 min. YELLOW - Roberts knocks on in front of Linesman and Ref.......... ingnored!! instead sin-bin NDL (shades of 2010)
50 min. TRY - Intense pressure from Wales sensing blood, the excellent Cuthbert offloads to the more excellant 1/2p
54 min. YELLOW - Scotland cannot cope during this period and Rory fouls and is off
56 min TRY - Massive pressure from Wales just superb in their pressure, 1/2p is just unbelievable during this period
So that is that folks game over, 40th min 3-3 and Scotland on top, one mistake from Cussiter and 16 mins later 27-6 to Wales
62 min. TRY - Yes Yes Yes .......ahem NO says Romain Poite ...... thats one serious error mate, should be 27-13 now, thats going to pull us down
63 min. TRY - Yes Yes Yes .......ahem YES says Romain Poite ........ Laidlaw now making his mark on the game, so thats 27-20 and Scotland now have the Welsh in their sights, oooops sorry thought it was a nightmare and realised it was that try really was disallowed 27-13 still
64-80 mins............ Give and take from both sides
80 min. Scotland out on our feet, Wales fitness tells and a good win
Well done Wales ........ still on for that Triple Crown and Grand Slam

Overall assessment.......... the ref certainly changed the face of the game

Wales
1/2p pick of the bunch, Cuthbert, Jon Davies, Shingler were immense assisted by Lydiate,

Scotland
Blair should have started, Laidlaw came of age
Rennie IMHO was the MOM.

Wales deserved to win, but if the ref allowed the "try" who would have known

Lastly there are some boring ill educated WUMs on this site now, which is a shame as its got so much potential

Ah flyhalf,the great philosopher who throws toys out of the pram when confronted with a different view. Because I believe our backs to be more than 50% better and more than two forwards would make the Lions on current form makes me a clown? And that I attend infant school? Not sure if you've reviewed thread well then, which comments did you feel were juvenile?

Btw a number of them (commets) were removed because a few of your countrymen were degenerating it with negative comments about Wales, then a number of English and this Rory jumped on so they could have a pop at us. Shame you had to begin what was a good sumisation of those players with petty insults. Did it make you feel big? You should take a look in the mirror sometime. Don't refer to me as mate ever again. I would not want people to mistake me for someone who makes your social acquaintance.

Morgannwg

thats a crap attitude.

Morgan grow up and just drop it will you, seriously

The question was aimed at fhf. Rory you and I are never going to agree on anything. I am merely waiting to see how flyhalf can post insults at me because he disagrees with a posting and get away with it. Something he does regulary and gets away with btw KRD... Some people can't hack the truth on here.

Or just drop it? You are getting on like a primary school girl "Don't you dare call me your friend, I'm not your friend". Why don't you just leave it and talk about the rugby? You don't need to keep it going. Just drop it now.

Rory there's so much irony in all your comments. There were comments removed this afternoon because you kept on bickering and posting insults to get the last word in, kind of like now when this area of discussion needs not your view. I was debating about the rugby in what quickly turned into a sespool of Wales hate and fhf felt the need to insult me. Is there anything wrong with making him aware I do not wish to be called 'mate' by someone posting childish insults on an online forum? I didn't think so either. I suggest you debate the rugby if you are capable and stay away from this.

Morgannwg wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:Evening folks just arrived back in our hotel, having been to a great match with some fantastic fans both from Scotland and our Wesh cousins, and then come back to review and then I have read this clown (among one or two others) contribution throughout the thread.
Mate don't know if you really are in University.... more like Infants School (after your juvenile comments spoiled which should have been a good debate during the live match).

We lost, and on an overall balance deserved it. A few personal views from me and many Welsh and Scottish fans on the match

First half
Shingler was your best forward by a country mile
Halfpenny was immense and Jon Davies outstanding in defense
Rennie/Gray/Denton awesome
Laidlaw disappointing and inspiring in equal measures, Blair gets the best out his halfback partner and should have been on from the start
Scotland had close on 65% of the territory and possession
39 min Chunk mucked up the try when it was easier to score than not to
Everybody agreed that Scotland should have been going into the break 10-3 up

Second Half
42 min. Cussiter mucks up an easy pickup, fantastic welsh pressure leads to the excellent Cuthbert brushing past Laidlaw too easily. 1/2p good conversion
44 min. YELLOW - Roberts knocks on in front of Linesman and Ref.......... ingnored!! instead sin-bin NDL (shades of 2010)
50 min. TRY - Intense pressure from Wales sensing blood, the excellent Cuthbert offloads to the more excellant 1/2p
54 min. YELLOW - Scotland cannot cope during this period and Rory fouls and is off
56 min TRY - Massive pressure from Wales just superb in their pressure, 1/2p is just unbelievable during this period
So that is that folks game over, 40th min 3-3 and Scotland on top, one mistake from Cussiter and 16 mins later 27-6 to Wales
62 min. TRY - Yes Yes Yes .......ahem NO says Romain Poite ...... thats one serious error mate, should be 27-13 now, thats going to pull us down
63 min. TRY - Yes Yes Yes .......ahem YES says Romain Poite ........ Laidlaw now making his mark on the game, so thats 27-20 and Scotland now have the Welsh in their sights, oooops sorry thought it was a nightmare and realised it was that try really was disallowed 27-13 still
64-80 mins............ Give and take from both sides
80 min. Scotland out on our feet, Wales fitness tells and a good win
Well done Wales ........ still on for that Triple Crown and Grand Slam

Overall assessment.......... the ref certainly changed the face of the game

Wales
1/2p pick of the bunch, Cuthbert, Jon Davies, Shingler were immense assisted by Lydiate,

Scotland
Blair should have started, Laidlaw came of age
Rennie IMHO was the MOM.

Wales deserved to win, but if the ref allowed the "try" who would have known

Lastly there are some boring ill educated WUMs on this site now, which is a shame as its got so much potential

Ah flyhalf,the great philosopher who throws toys out of the pram when confronted with a different view. Because I believe our backs to be more than 50% better and more than two forwards would make the Lions on current form makes me a clown? And that I attend infant school? Not sure if you've reviewed thread well then, which comments did you feel were juvenile?

Btw a number of them (commets) were removed because a few of your countrymen were degenerating it with negative comments about Wales, then a number of English and this Rory jumped on so they could have a pop at us. Shame you had to begin what was a good sumisation of those players with petty insults. Did it make you feel big? You should take a look in the mirror sometime. Don't refer to me as mate ever again. I would not want people to mistake me for someone who makes your social acquaintance.

Laddy
I viewed the whole damn thread
............and it degenerated quited clearly when you put your ill-educated puerile self-indulgent comments in........... often reducing me to guffaws of amazement at your incredible thirst for petty confrontation

Now why dont you have a look in the mirror and review just how pretty ridiculous you really are and how preposterously crass your behaviour really is

flyhalf, that doesn't really explain anything. If you've been drinking, which is likely, then maybe we can discuss it tomorrow.

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"Thirst for confrontation" oh em gee! All of your comments just insult posters when they do not share your view then you back it up with more trash talk! I'll admit I overeacted early on in the thread. Posters were allowed to insuslt Wales which made an administrator intervene.

The ref today was poor and thank goodness for the line judges, J Davies tackle off the ball was ignored by the ref, he had a perfect view of the cynical tackle, only when the line judge stuck his flag out some justice was done. The ref ignored the Scotland 7 who was offside and coming around the side at the rucks also there was so much blocking of tacklers one led up to the Scottish try.

I have to be honerst I was not sure what to expect today a really close game or a hammering but based on form I had Wales to win. Credit to Scotland and Andy Robinson they improved greatly from last week, I think if they played again England at home this week they would win. Scotland have a tough time ahead as Italy are no mugs so they are in danger of ending up bottom, what should not happen is get rid on Robinson, Gatland took a long time to find his best team.


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Morgannwg wrote:flyhalf, that doesn't really explain anything. If you've been drinking, which is likely, then maybe we can discuss it tomorrow.

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"Thirst for confrontation" oh em gee! All of your comments just insult posters when they do not share your view then you back it up with more trash talk! I'll admit I overeacted early on in the thread. Posters were allowed to insuslt Wales which made an administrator intervene.

Laddy you are getting us all down

I do not care if you share my view at all you stupid child, this is a forum site it is for mature debate not an avenue for juvenile cyber bullying

YOU initiated the childish retort quite clearly look at the thread

Perhaps we should report this thread to the moderators and let them decide who was the initiator of the original abuse was shall we?

I like this forum site, it had everything good about the old 606 with very little of the bad (noteably WUMs and Cyber-Bullies) and the majority of the posters here are mature adults who have the ability to distinguish between good natured banter and debate.......

Now give it a rest or we'll take it further

Is the pot calling the kettle black again? Another post posting insults at me. You're an angry guy, but it's funny. The moderators already intervened before you posted. There is a chance there will be more intervention tomorrow morning thanks to you.

All I did was stick up for my team after they came in for heaps of abuse from the posters on this thread. Wales don't win, ever, we just get lucky. I'm not sorry for anything I've posted regardless of whether it has offended you. Which is seems to have done.

p.s. how much further do you wanna take it, shall we meet up for a fight?

glamorganalun wrote:The ref today was poor and thank goodness for the line judges, J Davies tackle off the ball was ignored by the ref, he had a perfect view of the cynical tackle, only when the line judge stuck his flag out some justice was done. The ref ignored the Scotland 7 who was offside and coming around the side at the rucks also there was so much blocking of tacklers one led up to the Scottish try.

I have to be honerst I was not sure what to expect today a really close game or a hammering but based on form I had Wales to win. Credit to Scotland and Andy Robinson they improved greatly from last week, I think if they played again England at home this week they would win. Scotland have a tough time ahead as Italy are no mugs so they are in danger of ending up bottom, what should not happen is get rid on Robinson, Gatland took a long time to find his best team.


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Hello Alun

It was a good game, Wales deservedly victors, and we are not far off been a very good team (albeit you had some major players missing Warburton etc). AR in my mind is doing a good job, we now have some real strength in depth. I would say that that the following 15 come May 2012 will be a force to be reckoned with

15 S Hogg
14 R Lamont / L Jones
11 T Visser / M Evans

13 S Lamont / NDL
12 M Scott

10 G Laidlaw / R Jackson
9 M Blair / C Cusiter

8 D Denton
7 R Rennie
6 J Barclay / Stroko

5 J Hamilton
4 R Gray

3 E Murray / G Cross
2 R Ford / S Lawson
1 A Jacobsen

Morgannwg, it takes two to bicker.

No one is saying Wales didn't perform well. But it's important to be balanced in your evaluation of a performance, and to a neutral with a fondness for Wales it is clear that Wales got the rub of the green today owing to a poor performance by Poite.

Some opposition fans feel aggrieved at the two yellow cards and a disallowed legitimate try for Scotland and feel Wales were allowed too much leeway with the offside line and deliberate professional slowing in the rucks.

Now as much as there are those who are ungracious about Wales' strengths, there are a plethora of rapid Welsh supporters who fail to be realistic about the role that good fortune may have played plaguing this board and particularly this article. It may not be you specifically, but it creates an atmosphere of resentment and makes it difficult for neutrals and opposition fans to be gracious.

It's all about balance and perspective. As a supporter of the victors I put it to you that it might be easier to be considerate of others feelings of injustice and not merely carrying on with chest beating and tub thumping and trying to make every other poster cow-tow to the greatness of resurgent Wales, or whatever seems to be the collective desire...

Morgannwg wrote:Is the pot calling the kettle black again? Another post posting insults at me. You're an angry guy, but it's funny. The moderators already intervened before you posted. There is a chance there will be more intervention tomorrow morning thanks to you.

All I did was stick up for my team after they came in for heaps of abuse from the posters on this thread. Wales don't win, ever, we just get lucky. I'm not sorry for anything I've posted regardless of whether it has offended you. Which is seems to have done.

p.s. how much further do you wanna take it, shall we meet up for a fight?

Thats utter rubbish there was no abuse of your team................ the posters were only saying what they thought was happening, offside etc or perhaps that the ref didnt see something......... THATS NOT ABUSE

What you did as a reply, was abuse ....... personal and vindictive

ps probably my wife who is sound asleep (while I am lowering myself here) is bigger than you and would put you over her knee and call you a very naughty boy

Now I would suggest you get back to the studying and think before you rampage verbally

Morgannwg wrote:Is the pot calling the kettle black again? Another post posting insults at me. You're an angry guy, but it's funny. The moderators already intervened before you posted. There is a chance there will be more intervention tomorrow morning thanks to you.

All I did was stick up for my team after they came in for heaps of abuse from the posters on this thread. Wales don't win, ever, we just get lucky. I'm not sorry for anything I've posted regardless of whether it has offended you. Which is seems to have done.



p.s. how much further do you wanna take it, shall we meet up for a fight?

But the thing that confuses me is when did Wales get heaps of abuse? Some of us said they were offside, which was true they were waiting well in front of the back foot of several rucks but that's not their problem it's Poite's. They were lucky at the end of the first half but then killed the game at the start of the second and ran out clear and deserved winners. The abuse and injustice were all in your mind until you started accusing other posters with some insults thrown in then they retorted which they should not have and the situation escalated. There are some anti-Welsh Wums here I am sure but I didn't see many if any for the duration of the game and certainly not until you had already overreacted and upset some neutral posters who didn't take it well. Nobody insulted Wales. I insulted Poite a lot but not Wales. Rory made some points about things Poite should have spotted but they were fair and there were equally things that he let Scottish players get away with. I don't even count hands in the ruck etc as cheating anymore because it is such a part of the international game. You overreacted, and seemed to be looking for provocation where it didn't exist. Please just calm down and count to 10 before you respond to posts as I think you are clearly passionate about Welsh rugby and allow this to get you carried away and cloud your judgement

Apologies for the lack of paragraphs

miteyironpaw wrote:.


It's all about balance and perspective. As a supporter of the victors I put it to you that it might be easier to be considerate of others feelings of injustice and not merely carrying on with chest beating and tub thumping and trying to make every other poster cow-tow to the greatness of resurgent Wales, or whatever seems to be the collective desire...

Well spoken Chequered. Never a truer word(s), paragraphs or not.

Challenging him for a fight was the funniest thing. You can't bring your computer to the fight kid.

It would make a great addition to the site I'm thinking, if there was a section where you could post your videos/host live web cams of fights between fed up forum members.

Originators/moderators welcome to comment on the technical feasibility.

It would also give us something else to start polls about.

I would have paid money to see WelshJohn fight it out with that other WUM he was constantly bickering with before they both got banned.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Challenging him for a fight was the funniest thing. You can't bring your computer to the fight kid.

The ridiculous thing about this is the last time I had a fight was on a rugby field 25 yrs ago............... before that kid was born probably

However I am 6' 6" and 19 stone

However perhaps we can dual to BMX race

Constructive criticism is fine but some on this forum seem far more interested in discussing Wales than their own team.
When people just continually look for faults or try and belittle a Welsh win then it does come across as a wum.

To be fair, it was the only game played today Cymroglan.

I honestly haven't a clue where this silly anti-welsh agenda is coming from. Seriously, maybe you think it is there because you are welsh. Because honestly I am not seeing it, I am just seeing a lot of paranoid fans atm who need to chill big time. Nobody has belittled the welsh win. They beat Scotland, and they deserved to beat Scotland. I don't think one person has said they don't deserve the win. I think the issue is some fans can't just accept their win without gloating, or resorting to petty insults.

Cymroglan wrote:Constructive criticism is fine but some on this forum seem far more interested in discussing Wales than their own team.
When people just continually look for faults or try and belittle a Welsh win then it does come across as a wum.

To be fair any discussion on this thread was going to be about Wales or Scotland, as they were the teams involved. Frankly, as an Englishman, although I wish Scotland the best of luck in their next matches and envy their back row, we have already played and beaten them so I think that the English were focussing more on Wales because we are anticipating the match in 2 weeks. I cannot speak for those of other countries. The same thing happens on England threads though where Welsh posters come on and talk about how crap we are. Which is currently true but rather inappropriate to start doing without some kind of lead in.

Rory you and Morgan have done nothing but bicker all day and I'm surprised that the mods have not got fed up of the both of you.

Cymroglan wrote:Constructive criticism is fine but some on this forum seem far more interested in discussing Wales than their own team.
When people just continually look for faults or try and belittle a Welsh win then it does come across as a wum.

I cant find one Scot who didnt say Wales deserved to win, however we did say we should have had a try that was disallowed, and it might have changed the whole aspect of the match, and before NDL got carded Roberts knocked the ball forward.

Thats not belittling your sterling efforts at all thats just stating some facts as we saw it

However I am sure there are posters who thrive on here who rather WUM than have a decent discussion about their team or opposition

flyhalffactory wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Challenging him for a fight was the funniest thing. You can't bring your computer to the fight kid.

The ridiculous thing about this is the last time I had a fight was on a rugby field 25 yrs ago............... before that kid was born probably

However I am 6' 6" and 19 stone

However perhaps we can dual to BMX race

I obviously wasn't serious but little Rory lacked the nous to work that out. He's flooded my inbox a few times now and doesn't take the hint when I don't respond.

" Rory_Gallagher Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:36 am

Asking people for a fight on an internet forum, who do you think you are? You are saying it on the internet, I know for a fact you wouldn't show up for anything. You don't even know who you're dealing with anyway, for all you know this guy could be a serial killer or whatever. You could be getting into anything, and then you would be pretty sorry and regret everything you say. Stop acting a hard lad on a forum, you come across as a complete loser, who needs to grow up big time. Wise up kid."

Anything I have said about Wales has been fair and I have made some good points IMO. It isn't my fault Morgan/any other Welsh fans can't accept that, so I don't see how the mods would take exception to what I have said. Also, telling him to drop it I think is exactly what the mods want. Point out where I have been in the wrong and I'll listen to you.

ChequeredJersey
There is a difference between a discussion and constant bickering.
The mental wrestling and wanting the last word is ruining any discussion on the site.
They would not be like this with each other in real life so why do it here.

flyhalffactory wrote:

Cymroglan wrote:Constructive criticism is fine but some on this forum seem far more interested in discussing Wales than their own team.
When people just continually look for faults or try and belittle a Welsh win then it does come across as a wum.

I cant find one Scot who didnt say Wales deserved to win, however we did say we should have had a try that was disallowed, and it might have changed the whole aspect of the match, and before NDL got carded Roberts knocked the ball forward.

Thats not belittling your sterling efforts at all thats just stating some facts as we saw it

However I am sure there are posters who thrive on here who rather WUM than have a decent discussion about their team or opposition

Playing devil's advocate here, but didn't you score pretty much straight after that disallowed try anyway? Within minutes?

Cymroglan wrote:Rory you and Morgan have done nothing but bicker all day and I'm surprised that the mods have not got fed up of the both of you.

You seen it for yourself that our team was nothing but insulted during the game by some posters and Rory hopped on. Now that you've posted this he is just going to come out and accuse me of following him around again. :s

To be fair, it was done mostly by English. I actually mistook RiskySports for an England poster at first. I am deeply sorry to have insulted you like that.

ChequeredJersey wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

Cymroglan wrote:Constructive criticism is fine but some on this forum seem far more interested in discussing Wales than their own team.
When people just continually look for faults or try and belittle a Welsh win then it does come across as a wum.

I cant find one Scot who didnt say Wales deserved to win, however we did say we should have had a try that was disallowed, and it might have changed the whole aspect of the match, and before NDL got carded Roberts knocked the ball forward.

Thats not belittling your sterling efforts at all thats just stating some facts as we saw it

However I am sure there are posters who thrive on here who rather WUM than have a decent discussion about their team or opposition

Playing devil's advocate here, but didn't you score pretty much straight after that disallowed try anyway? Within minutes?

You are right
So that would have made it 27-20 with 15 mins to go

Different aspect to the game then?............. who do you think?

Kiwireddevil wrote:
Folks, "stop bickering" means just that.

Not "I'll just add in one more dig in a effort to get the last word."

Several of you need to take big deep breaths and calm down, so I'm locking this thread for a bit.

And I will be banning anyone who carries on the argument afterwards.

And loads of posts were removed but the bickering still continues.

I stand by absolutely everything I said in that PM Challenging someone to a fight on the internet is such a joke. Also a few times? I think you mean one of two PMs I have sent you, the other being when you followed all of my posts for no reason and left personal abuse on each. Which was a few months back..

Nice try

Right, time to go, this clearly isn't going to be resolved and it's really none of my business. 1 week from BSc exams now so I'll pop in for the Premiership on the weekend perhaps but otherwise goodbye everybody for the next 2 weeks. I'm sure there'll be some controversy then

flyhalffactory
If the first try had been allowed it does not mean you would have scored another one from the restart.
The match would have taken a different course after the try was scored.

Yep, think I am done with this thread too. Wales, I congratulate you on your win. Don't take that as anything else, don't get paranoid, just accept the fact I congratulate you. You deserved the win and not one person has said otherwise. There is no hidden agenda, no anti-welsh conspiracy, nothing. No need to resort to insults, threaten people over the internet or anything. So just accept the win and good luck in the rest of the tournament