HHH - what does 'die trying' mean?

So for the vast majority of us we fully expect Taker to win at WM27 and keep his streak intact. However HHH has said something I've found quite curious - he will end the streak or "die trying". Now how much should we read into this? Die trying suggests HHH is prepared to put his career on the line if he loses, but they have not added the retirement stipulation! HHH has repeated the statement of intent in his promos so it seems to be part of the angle they are working going into this match. So what should we expect? Are we talking about HHH refusing to tap and passing out in the hellsgate submission like Austin going unconscious in his own blood against Bret? Are we talking about being rendered physically incapable of competing such as Taker tombstoning him through the commentary desk or onto the steel steps or something? Or will the finish be a let down? If HHH is to lose I want him to lose spectacularly and if its NHB then I hope that means taking an impressive bump. Thoughts?

I've been thinking about this for a while too, im thinking it will mean he will turn heel, his soul may 'die' if he cant get the job done fighting the good fight

They're going to make it Buried Alive and he'll lose...

Its already a no DQ match they wont make a significant stipulation to the match like that with 1 RAW left anyway a Buried Alive match for me has no place in a respect feud

I agree to be honest. I don't think a Buried Alvie match is the way to go.

The comment was tongue in cheek...but it would explain the die trying comments.

the-gaffer wrote:I've been thinking about this for a while too, im thinking it will mean he will turn heel, his soul may 'die' if he cant get the job done fighting the good fight

Gaffer I get what you're saying with this, but would it really be applicable to Triple H? If it was Cena then it would make sense, he's always been portrayed as something of a goodie two shoes. But Triple H, even as a face, has always been referred to as ruthless and willing to do whatever it takes to win.

I hope this doesn't mean they're going to go down the 'referee stoppage' route, whereby towards the end of the match the Game-uhh takes an hellacious beating, kicks out of Tombstones etc. before either passing out a la Stone Cold or else the referee waves off the match whilst the heroic HHH valiantly attempts to carry on.

You're right in what you say, even in this build up he has been described as an emotionless killer, now i think of it i can see him refusing to tap out to Hells Gate and have the ref stop it ala Austin in 97

I've thought the match being stopped due to injury or submission was the route they'd go down since HHH said he'd die trying. I'm hoping they don't go down that road, either let HHH take the streak or have the Undertaker winning the match, not through a stoppage.

Gaffer, your suggestion that his soul may die and turn heel if he loses is a good one. But to me that screams of HHH trying to take the streak again the following year, but as a heel. A heelturn would be nice but I wouldn't want to see a rematch at WM28!

The only match for Taker next year for the 20-0/19-1 is John Cena IMO

the-gaffer wrote:The only match for Taker next year for the 20-0/19-1 is John Cena IMO

If John Cena were to take the streak, then I would riot.. not because it's Cena (I actually like him, and see no difference between his base character and that of a prime Hulk Hogan in the 80's) but because he doesn't really need that 'accolade'.. plus I want the streak to remain unbroken so that when Undertaker retires then it can be quietly put to bed instead of being used as a quasi-storyline for the next 2 years (a la Eddie Guerrero's death).

I dont like Cena for the reasons you do like him, I never liked Hogan either, but I would like Cena too take the streak if it was apart of a huge Heel turn, i've never been of the belief Taker should keep it, when the time is right it should go, the Streak is the only thing left that could make Cenas heel turn as memorable as Hogans in 96 tho thats just my opinion

Agreed.

However i'd like Cena to just disappear for 6 months, no promo's, no films, just go away and then ut of nowhere return to attack the top face or Taker.

I think that would confuse a lot of his younger fans though, they'd be that pumped to see him again he could punch a puppy to death in the ring and they would be cheering

the-gaffer wrote:I think that would confuse a lot of his younger fans though, they'd be that pumped to see him again he could punch a puppy to death in the ring and they would be cheering

now that is a heel turn LOL

In some respect I would like Taker to lay HHH out cold in some brutal manner only for HHH to slowly regain consciousness, accept defeat graciously and shake Taker's hand before raising his arm in victory. Taker would then raise HHH arm as the tenacious opponent and his worthiest foe yet. There is a possibility that could happen but I'm not getting my hopes up.

All I was wondering why he just played out the exact same promo as 2 weeks before, only difference was Dibase instead of Sheamus

dont think theres anything in it tbh, just think hhh is building it to be a match to remember

Brady12 wrote:All I was wondering why he just played out the exact same promo as 2 weeks before, only difference was Dibase instead of Sheamus

I guess in a way the onus is on HHH to prove he is the one wrestler remaining who can end the streak. First Sheamus and now Dibiase, at least HHH is showing the type of aggression needed for a NHB match - he hit Dibiase with several hard looking chair shots before pedigreeing him through the table, so it wasn't a complete carbon copy.

talkingpoint wrote:In some respect I would like Taker to lay HHH out cold in some brutal manner only for HHH to slowly regain consciousness, accept defeat graciously and shake Taker's hand before raising his arm in victory. Taker would then raise HHH arm as the tenacious opponent and his worthiest foe yet. There is a possibility that could happen but I'm not getting my hopes up.

I can see something like this happening, but I hope it's not a case of them raising each other's hands. The ending to last year's match with Shawn Michaels was special because Taker broke character to shake HBK's hand. It was the ultimate sign of respect. Doing a similar thing this year would cheapen last year's gesture in my opinion.

I'm not against them hyping Triple H as his 'worthiest foe yet' as you say talkingpoint because that's pro-wrestling booking 101: you build up the next challenger as being the biggest threat that Wrestler A has ever known. So they can't very well say that Triple H is a threat, but not the threat that Shawn Michaels was. That won't sell tickets. And at the pay per view itself they'll need to keep reiterating that Triple H is 'the one guy' who can end the Streak to keep the outcome in doubt.

What I'd like to see at the end of the match, is after Taker has won and done his posing routine in the ring have Triple H come to and struggle to his feet. Taker then walks over to HHH, looks at him for a couple of seconds, then nods his head. The Game-uhh returns the nod and Taker walks off.

Hunter will then probably try and milk a standing ovation from the crowd.

I understand where you're coming from Y2D2 as HBK's was a retirement match in a way it shouldn't be devalued; however I do think Taker needs to recognise HHH in some way in connection to the 'die trying' statement. HHH needs to show a lot of ruthlessness in the match imo to try and make us believe he can end the streak.

talkingpoint wrote:I understand where you're coming from Y2D2 as HBK's was a retirement match in a way it shouldn't be devalued; however I do think Taker needs to recognise HHH in some way in connection to the 'die trying' statement. HHH needs to show a lot of ruthlessness in the match imo to try and make us believe he can end the streak.

He could hand him the Ric Flair Golden Blade and salute him as he bleeds to death in the ring?

talkingpoint wrote:I do think Taker needs to recognise HHH in some way in connection to the 'die trying' statement. HHH needs to show a lot of ruthlessness in the match imo to try and make us believe he can end the streak.

Do you think that Triple H 'being ruthless' will turn him heel in the match? He might be anyway, we don't know what kind of reactions the 2 of them will get, but it just feels like if HHH pulls out all the stops and does anything & everything he can to win he runs the risk of coming off as a heel. Maybe that's the plan anyway?

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King Beer wrote:He could hand him the Ric Flair Golden Blade and salute him as he bleeds to death in the ring?

Can you imagine how peed off Flair would be if someone died in the ring before he did? He'd be raging!

I reckon wherever he was...........he would blade.

I bet he's blading as we type.

He really should be a spokesman for Wilkinson Sword:

"WOOOO! WHEN THE NAITCHA BWAAAH NEEDS TO CUT HIS HEAD OPEN WOOOO! HE REACHES FOR HIS JONNY WILKINSON! WOOOO! SWORD OF DAMOCLES! STYLIN' & PROFILIN' MEAN GENE! WHO AM I? HUH? WHO ARE YOU? I KNOW WHO I AM! HUH? WHO ARE YOU? I WILL NEVER RETAAAAAAH! WOOOO! RAZOR BLADES! RAZOR RAMON! THE HORSEMEN WOOOO! DOUBLE A, ARN ANDERSON! (starts to cry) my best friend in the world.......after Triple H........and Shawn Michaels.......WOOOO! OLD YELLER HUH? OLD YELLER? I GOT YOUR OLD YELLER RIGHT HERE! I'LL CUT HIM! I'LL CUT YOU! I'LL CUT ME! WOOOO!"

theundisputedY2D2 wrote:I bet he's blading as we type.

He really should be a spokesman for Wilkinson Sword:

"WOOOO! WHEN THE NAITCHA BWAAAH NEEDS TO CUT HIS HEAD OPEN WOOOO! HE REACHES FOR HIS JONNY WILKINSON! WOOOO! SWORD OF DAMOCLES! STYLIN' & PROFILIN' MEAN GENE! WHO AM I? HUH? WHO ARE YOU? I KNOW WHO I AM! HUH? WHO ARE YOU? I WILL NEVER RETAAAAAAH! WOOOO! RAZOR BLADES! RAZOR RAMON! THE HORSEMEN WOOOO! DOUBLE A, ARN ANDERSON! (starts to cry) my best friend in the world.......after Triple H........and Shawn Michaels.......WOOOO! OLD YELLER HUH? OLD YELLER? I GOT YOUR OLD YELLER RIGHT HERE! I'LL CUT HIM! I'LL CUT YOU! I'LL CUT ME! WOOOO!"

Superb!

You sir, are a genius!

You're too kind KB!

I genuinely worry about that crazy old Bar Steward when he blades

I know what you mean gaffer, just waiting for him to keel over one of these days as he goes on a mad rant.

He doesn't even need to blade these days, if he squeezes any tighter his head will just pop

I think its probably just a turn of phrase with no meaning at all.

I hope Triple H ends the streak. Its so stupid as it is. What's the point of a match at Wrestlemania every year, where you know the result??

Or... If Undertake wins, as he inevitably will, I hope he shows Triple H some sign of respect and Hunter pedigrees him.

Never happening Demon.

Could you really see 'Taker allowing HHH to pedigree him at Wrestlemania of all places?

Then what's even the point of this match?

I haven't got a clue. The whole set-up has been ridiculous. You can't just have a match over nothing at all - but for some reason, the fans have lapped it up.

Its nonsense. My most frequent answer when someone asks me "why do you watch wrestling when its fixed?" is that "it may be fixed, but I don't know the result".

What's the argument for watching a match you do know the result of?

King Beer wrote:Never happening Demon.

Could you really see 'Taker allowing HHH to pedigree him at Wrestlemania of all places?

I actually can see 'taker being pedegree'd.. -- most likely a desperation pedegree laying take on his back, HHH "recovering" on the ropes or something only for 'taker to do his whole no-sell sit-up routine -- to get the crowd going!

Kramxel wrote:

King Beer wrote:Never happening Demon.

Could you really see 'Taker allowing HHH to pedigree him at Wrestlemania of all places?

I actually can see 'taker being pedegree'd.. -- most likely a desperation pedegree laying take on his back, HHH "recovering" on the ropes or something only for 'taker to do his whole no-sell sit-up routine -- to get the crowd going!

Sorry, i meant in the sense that after the match HHH would get a cheap pedigree in.

Fully agree that HHH will land it at some point.

I wonder what the reaction amongst the other wrestlers would be if HHH ended the Streak?

Do you think Trips would be daft enough to want to end it? I mean it would get him nuclear levels of heat in the locker room wouldn't it?

considering his relationship with the bosses daughter and the talk of his new position he probably couldn't give two pips what the locker room thought! At least i'd be very tempted to in his situation.

I thought that the "die trying" comment sounded like no more than a bit of flim flam to hype up the match. I was hoping to get really excited about this match but it just feels like a kind of "I respect you, you respect me... now lets have a match" kind of thing.

Providing that Taker wins and he is going to compete next year I think that they need to decide NOW who he is likely to face and slowly build an almighty feud. This would give the opportunity for Taker to still take rest breaks without things feeling kind of contrived or last minute.

Not sure how it would work in principle mind, if the consensus is for a Taker v Cena match... I am not sure how they could build heat for a feud before hand without either one of them turning heel beforehand (ruining Cena's potential turn) or it being a Championship match.

Undertaker to win the Rumble or win at Elimination Chamber? I know that he is getting to the twilight of his career and is not really looking for belts but it would be great for him to have one last run.

Also, could they look to put together a Taker stable? Not like the Ministry but something so that he can remain on screen but not have to wrestle so much?

I don't want to see Taker near another World Title, his last run was a disgrace and Punk is only now just truly recovering from the burial

the-gaffer

Fair enough, I was just sounding out some ideas for how to make any feid fresh... if it is a repeat of this one and therefore the Michaels ones to a similar extent then it would be a bit dull...

Thats fair enough mate, to be fair me not wanting to see Taker with a title again is jurt my own personal opinion, I'm sure loads will want to see it, also I really don't think HHH will go again next year, Cena Orton Punk Jericho are guys who are genuine Main Eventers and others like Shaemus and Barrett that could be bigtime by then and who knows if anyone else makes a big impact by then

No I totally agree that Taker should never again hold aloft the title, the last reign was shocking and what message would it say?
WWE fans mock TNA for sticking the title on a part time Sting on the first night back from a long layoff. Yet Taker walks back time and time again into headline matches and often for the title.

How about Triple H to be the anonymous Raw GM? Good way to get him back as a heel character alongside Michael Cole and others...

I don't want Triple H to be the GM, thats just a personal thing though, I love Cole, the better he gets the more likely he is IMO to get the gig

Could it be a bluff and it turns out to be JR?
He's getting airtime again, he's involved back with Cole and Lawler. Why not turn it on it's head and have betray Lawler, blame him for getting dropped from the announce table initially.

I wouldn't rule anything out but I can't see it, thats not to say it wouldn't happen, I'd just hate them to ruin the awesome job they have did with Cole

I don't know whether I would like Cole as GM I think eventually he would just get as whinny and annoying as Vicky and with both of them being on Raw now that could almost be an unbearable combination. Cole is doing great at the moment but once wrestle mania is over I hope he graciously lowers his profile; it works for me as a wrestle mania gimmick but nothing long term.

talkingpoint

Or he could look to move into managing guys. Maybe as a result of WM he will have to give up the announcing position for a while and can then work with a stable. This would mean he would be able to continue the character but wouldn't have to open his mouth all the time.

Working with The Corre would give them some major heat too.

For me Cole definitely needs a more onscreen role after Mania, he is a natural on the stick, is a heat magnet and as a guy can take a bump.he isnt any more out of place than Vince was back in 97, I'd love to see him form an aliance with Miz and have Jack Swagger Kong and Alex Riley and possibly a tag team