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It's no laughing matter guys.

Viva, they dont run around ALL DAY. you have a very mislead perception on this subject.

nick_fury wrote:

If people know it's Rooney's horse, they bet on it regardless of how good it is. Therefore, the price is artificially low.
If I owned a horse, I would be betting on it and want the price as high as possible to get as much money back as possible.
I don't give two hoots whether a bookies makes profit from other punters. I just care about my returns being as high as possible.

You miss the point.
Rooney will make more money from the horse finishing in good positions rarther then betting on it himself.

If a horse wins the grand national at say 8/1 how much money do you think the owner will have to stake to make what he would actually win in prize money?

There is no need to, a good winner of a horse will make poopie loads for the owner.
Also why bet on your own horse when you will be investigated for allsorts such as abuse or drug us along with many other pitfalls. This then can go a lot deep into the world of racing and "cheaters". There was something with Henderson betting on himself to train 0 winners at Cheltenham one year and somehow he got away with it.

He would get all of those winnings etc regardless of who bets on it and what the price is. The betting ring will have no influence on how successful the horse is.

Do you really think that owners do not bet big on their own horses????? That is a bit niaive. The staff around the horse, especially if they have a good horse, first time out when no one else knows how good it is, will all punt on it and if they can keep the price high, they win more. Common practice.

Trainers is one thing like Henderson, especially betting on a negative result, but betting on your own horse is common practice and not actually illegal or frowned upon. JP McManus is one of the biggest gamblers around, putting 6 figure sums on his horses. He has been known to get double the prize money available from his actual bets.

And Horses are given random drugs tests anyway

sodhat wrote:

VivaPaulScholes wrote:It's no laughing matter guys.

I'm on your side Viva, I don't like Horse racing either.

But the image of someone being whacked in the face when they're eating too slowly made me chuckle. A good analogy, but also hilarious...

Yeah I can see the funny side too of somone getting whipped while they are eating.

nick_fury wrote:

It's no laughing matter guys.

Viva, they dont run around ALL DAY. you have a very mislead perception on this subject.

Oh my days Saint Nicholas you say I take everything literally so do you I know these horses are worth silly money and thier owners/trainers would not jeopardise thier health but I just think its a bit wrong making horses run. Why is it legal for horses to run? because they make a loads of money it's a billion pound industry just like fags are legal cause they make money even though they kill people.

nick_fury wrote:

It's no laughing matter guys.

Viva, they dont run around ALL DAY. you have a very mislead perception on this subject.

30 minutes max, normally 2 or 3 days a week. Then an hour in the equine pool a couple of times a week.

I would take that over 8 hour days, 5 days a week

VivaPaulScholes wrote:fags are legal cause they make money even though they kill people.

Not as many people as are killed by alcohol or by cars

BigFellasAfro wrote:

nick_fury wrote:

It's no laughing matter guys.

Viva, they dont run around ALL DAY. you have a very mislead perception on this subject.

30 minutes max, normally 2 or 3 days a week. Then an hour in the equine pool a couple of times a week.

I would take that over 8 hour days, 5 days a week

An I rather be allowed to play around in the fields all day eating apples, free will to run where I want when I want, horses don't have to work they're animals.

It's more sensible to ban alcohol and fags.

And cars?

BigFellasAfro wrote:And cars?

Cars don't kill people, strictly speaking. People driving cars kill people.

Perhaps we should ban people.

Buying players from releases and then sharing your money you get from them from lawyers with other managers is now allowed and if we feel that you are just buying players from releases to make money from you may not get a lawyers from them. .

It was only a joke between myself and Marky, so no that is not what we are doing anyway.

I brought players from releases because:

1. I had £275,000 to spend. That is going to get me nothing via in house transfers or TP's
2. I had a threadbare squad and I wanted to decrease the chances of one of my first timers getting an injury.
3. Soberón is a good young CB whose value has gone up since being a regular for Racing Santander. Verre is on the fringes of the Roma first team, and is also a good young CM whose value has gone up recently.
4. For a combined total of £200K, I think I got two good deals for two players that someone obviously didn't need in their squad.

Anything else?

No not cars we need them but we don't need fags and alcohol. More people may die from car accidents but I would say more people use cars then people smoke in this country.

(I wouldn't ban any of these things just saying)

sodhat wrote:

BigFellasAfro wrote:And cars?

Cars don't kill people, strictly speaking. People driving cars kill people.

Perhaps we should ban people.

People drinking alcohol kill themselves. People driving cars stupidly kill themselves and others. People smoking kill themselves, and through passive smoking, kill others.

They have put measures in place to stop smoking in public places to limit passive exposure.

It is your free choice to smoke/drive stupidly and kill yourself, but in a car you are at the mercy of those around you far more these days than the risk from being near smokers.

Do you really think that owners do not bet big on their own horses?????

Afro, if you read what I said you should know the answer to that as I even made an example of a real life situatoin trainer or not

There no right or wrong, its opinions and mine was Rooney wouldnt need to bet on Switcharooney as he can make money off the horse anyway. IF it turns out to be a good/great nag then there would be a reason to bet.

Someone told me the other day that they are making laws to stop you smoking in a car which is stupid they might as well not let people smoke at all.

BigFellasAfro wrote:

sodhat wrote:

BigFellasAfro wrote:And cars?

Cars don't kill people, strictly speaking. People driving cars kill people.

Perhaps we should ban people.

People drinking alcohol kill themselves. People driving cars stupidly kill themselves and others. People smoking kill themselves, and through passive smoking, kill others.

They have put measures in place to stop smoking in public places to limit passive exposure.

It is your free choice to smoke/drive stupidly and kill yourself, but in a car you are at the mercy of those around you far more these days than the risk from being near smokers.

I was only jesting on the car issue.

I stick by my second point though, people seem to be the root cause of all problems, so I think all people should be banned. Barring those on the Furious League. Except CF, he is too dangerous not to be banned.

nick_fury wrote:

Do you really think that owners do not bet big on their own horses?????

Afro, if you read what I said you should know the answer to that as I even made an example of a real life situatoin trainer or not

There no right or wrong, its opinions and mine was Rooney wouldnt need to bet on Switcharooney as he can make money off the horse anyway. IF it turns out to be a good/great nag then there would be a reason to bet.

I realise that mate.

It all stemmed from my statement that I would keep it as quiet as possible to get my returns as high as possible and you said why?

I would have thought it was a definate that Rooney will have a punt on that horse the first time it runs, so regardless of how much money I have, I would rather win at 6/1 than 4/1. If I offered you £100,000 or £100,100 with no strings attached and no other factors, you would take bigger amount wouldn't you?

sodhat wrote: Except CF, he is too dangerous not to be banned.

CricketFan counted to infinity.... twice.

I heard he had a staring contest with the Sun. The Sun blinked.

Sorry to diverge from you car conversation but wtf is this?

Also to add to Vivas statement above, it is also a warning.

A warning for what? I haven't done anything wrong. Can you prove that I have? If not don't give me some stupid throw away slap on the wrists post, because you can stick your league where the sun don't shine.

I haven't got time for Micky Mouse BS.

I've been told Cricket Fan can squeeze orange juice out of a lemon

yh and what

Yes you would take the bigger amount. I understand your point Afro.

TwisT wrote:Sorry to diverge from you car conversation but wtf is this?

Also to add to Vivas statement above, it is also a warning.

A warning for what? I haven't done anything wrong. Can you prove that I have? If not don't give me some stupid throw away slap on the wrists post, because you can stick your league where the sun don't shine.

I haven't got time for Micky Mouse BS.

As I put on the Malaga page;

A warning for what?

Publicly joking with the idea of doing such a thing?

Do I get a warning for joking the other day that if King Beer doesn't submit his tactics for our match that i'll share my win bonus with him?

a warning for what you two might be planning to do. A fine or some form of punishment will be dished out for breaking or abusing rules

nick_fury wrote:a warning for what you two might be planning to do. A fine or some form of punishment will be dished out for breaking or abusing rules

It should be a warning for accidental rule breaking, punishment for deliberate rule breaking. But no warnings at all for what we might be planning to do, that's just bizarre.

nick_fury wrote:a warning for what you two might be planning to do. A fine or some form of punishment will be dished out for breaking or abusing rules

So you wanted to accuse us, before actually talking to us about it?!

It was a throw-a-away remark I made last night.

I love it Nick that you say you will fine me, but when people don't submit tactics, or submit them late, give feedback or don't make sure their transfer listings are up-to-date.....you are no-where to be seen.

I make sure I submit tactics in time, give good feedback and that everything is in order on my home page. You know.....like important stuff!

And now I get this. It is pathetic.

I have nothing further to say to you on the subject and I believe neither do any other runner Marky.

Marky, i might not be able to submit tactics now.....

It's not a warning warning just to let you guys know thats not allowed, I just seen on the Chat yesterday you saying ask Viva and I didn't know you were joking because from that it lookedlike you wanted to make money from releases. You didn't know it's not allowed the message from me was just to let you guys know.

What's wrong with wanting to make money from releases?

Jeez, if people mess up and release someone that then becomes half decent, then one person's loss is anothers gain.

Take Saha, someone released him, i paid £1.85m and sold him for £8m.

YI sold Rodrigo for £1.85m, the guy's got nearly 20 goals and been linked with big money moves and is worth around £8m in real life.

nick_fury wrote:I have nothing further to say to you on the subject and I believe neither do any other runner Marky.

The other runner isn't here Nick!

Twist, be quite

KB, nothing wrong with making money from release at all. But what they were looking to do isnt allowed

nick_fury wrote:Twist, be quite

KB, nothing wrong with making money from release at all. But what they were looking to do isnt allowed

We wasn't looking to do anything! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nick_fury wrote:Twist, be quite

KB, nothing wrong with making money from release at all. But what they were looking to do isnt allowed

It's called 'banter', or does that need to be cleared with a runner first?

I could report Viva for wasting my time with his rubbish offers. Would he get a fine? Or a slapped wrist?

We wasn't looking to do anything! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Runners were informed about a conversation you and another manager had which did not suggest legitimate business.

whats happened??

nick_fury wrote:

We wasn't looking to do anything! FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Runners were informed about a conversation you and another manager had which did not suggest legitimate business.

Page 3 on furious banter......remark at the bottom. Macs replied two posts after and mentioned NOTHING about what I said.

Rumours are fantastic when people don't get their facts straight.

You will have to find a new Malaga manager now.

Page 3 on furious banter......remark at the bottom. Macs replied two posts after and mentioned NOTHING about what I said.
Rumours are fantastic when people don't get their facts straight.

This was in regards to a conversation you had yesterday to my knowledge.

You will have to find a new Malaga manager now.

No worries. I had already copied your team page as I figured you would stomp your feet. The option is yours, stome your feet or just move on and carry on

Sorry Twist, I think the post came across a bit heavy handed.

I think a simple, please don't do it would have been sufficient to start with

I am not a child and I won't be treated like one. Nor act like one. I am not going to delete the homepage, and never was going to.

Yeah I am stomping my feet. Straight out the door. Good luck everyone with your teams.

I'm barely about but guys sort it out.
If anyone isn't enjoying it then it's best to leave, people move on, it happens. No point getting into arguments over it.

Sorry about that Twist.

I can understand your perspective and accept it, albeit think it's a shame, especially given your finally breaking through the transfer brick wall that you had been banging your head against.

I would welcome you back straight away if you changed your mind

just read the comments, think there maybe mis-understanding in there somehwere...

twist please re-conisder mate

If anyone isn't enjoying it then it's best to leave, people move on, it happens. No point getting into arguments over it.

Agreed so thats why I said "The option is yours, stome your feet or just move on and carry on" (you know that a quote as it still has my spelling mistake in haha).

TwisT, your getting in a Twist (i couldnt help it hehe) the choice it totaly yours. You can either carry on with your team who you were actualy starting to do well with or if your not enjoying it then move on.
When the time comes to start a fresh league we will give you a shout.

I think I will leave it thanks.

Point is I was enjoying it (albeit with a slight lack of enthusiasm) until an hour ago. Can anyone not see why that has changed????

Nick, I think you were overzealous and completely bang out of order considering not once did you actually talk to me or Marky about it. There are still teams on here who, for instance, don't have all their transfers listed properly. Players who still don't get their tactics in on time or give their results. I have never seen you once post on their homepage giving a "warning". Especially when who would think it is important stuff in regards to the league.

Then you tell me to be quiet? Sorry but who the flying doodah do you think you are?!

I have no problems with walking out and thank you for remembering me for season 3. Like I said good luck for the rest of the season. I see no reason to post anymore here, as I simply don't want to cause anymore trouble. So I will leave it at that thank you.

bye twist

hope do you decide to come back in the future, but can see why your leaving, however have to say i think there's been a mis-understanding.

Twist - take 30 minutes and a breather, and then please reconsider.

I don't want you to quit because of this and I am sure that 99% of the rest of the managers feel them same.

Don't quit because of Nick, stay because of all the other managers. If a manager quit every time Nick flew off the handle, he would be in a league on his own

Maybe Nick should be put in his badman box for a bit?

King Beer wrote:Maybe Nick should be put in his badman box for a bit?

I think you might be right

Twist, there is 3/4 of us and its very hard to track every going on within this league. You question me but no other, so beit. What you were looking to do would be considered a serious rule break. So why should you be given the same leeway like a manager who forgot tactics where the opposition is happy for them to submit late?

Your so mad because you got caught out. handle it.

Would managers like a fresh start with teams and full sqauds?? or do you wish to carry on with this season??

Feedback is required as my point of view is its become a bit stale with tp's and values for players in the league going through the roof etc. Think this has showed in a lot of people including me getting fustrated and having pointless arguments.

Opinions please