Triple H vs. Undertaker (Will contain RAW SPOILERS)

Now that HBK has been confirmed as the guest referee for HHH V Taker III, what do you think will happen?

I think he has to screw one guy, but I honestly don't know who. This is what Wrestlemania is all about, 3 legends on the biggest stage in one of the biggest matches of all time.

I'd put a spoiler alert on this and change the title. I don't mind i watched it earlier but for others waiting for thursday..

SPOILERS

I watched it when it was on so don't care

HBK will screw Triple H for lying to his face saying he regards Shawn as the best ever in the ring. Then what persuades him to take the match with Taker is Taker saying he can't do what Shawn couldn't.

I actually think we could see HBK have one more match between now and WM29, either against Triple H. Or a triple threat at WM29 of Triple H Vs HBK Vs Undertaker where all 3 retire that night.

HBK will not screw anyone, he will call it right down the middle, they would not have a screwy finish in a streak match.... you can take that to the bank

I'm going with the non-screwy finish too. I think they'll hint at it throughout, but in the end, it'll be a clean Taker win.

I called HBK being guest ref weeks ago. But to be fair it wasnt exactly out of leftfield.

I reckon Shawn will refuse to make the count for Taker's pins. Taker will get into Shawns face but final third of the match will see Taker destroying HHH, absolutley annihalting him but Shawn still refuses to count. Shawn battles with himself and after more offence from Taker, Shawn eventually sees that HHH cant take anymore punishment and he needs to get his best friend out of there so makes the count and the streak continues.

well there are only 3 logical options imo:

1. HHH dominates Taker again at Mania and this time really is going to finish him off and take the streak then HBK screws HHH because he doesn't want his 'friend' achieving what he couldn't do.
2. HHH & HBK continue to argue with one another in the build up to Mania hinting at a HBK screwjob against HHH but it turns out to be a red herring as HBK actually screws Taker with a reunited DX managing to do together what neither of them could do individually.
3. No screw job and a completely anticlimatic finish

Of the 3 scenarios I've described I like the second best - it would be a bigger OMG Mania moment for DX to screw Taker out of the Streak than for HBK to screw HHH and Taker's reputation remains intact because he was never beaten cleanly at Mania. If this match is to be the end of an era for both men concerned then I think something has to happen other than Taker going over HHH for a third time cleanly. I really, really, really don't like the prospect of Taker beating HHH yet again and then just walking off into the sunset never to return. You can't use words like apocalypse and not have a dramatic - even tragic - ending. Something truly shocking has to happen and there's one sure fire way of making this an end of an era and that is for Taker to lose the Streak!

The whole idea of HBK screwing HHH is also unattractive as HHH & HBK have feuded before and HBK is retired. Both men claimed that they made a pact that they would retire before they became an embarrassment and since HBK is already retired and HHH has taken a major step down in terms of his active wrestling commitments I don't want them to have a grudge match at WM29.

I can see HBK screwing HHH and then the next night on raw they announce them two facing off at wm 29. So they can see who is undisputdly the best

I doubt very much a match between these 2 would be announced a year in advance.

Shawn Michaels wont wrestle again.

Two biggest names for last 10-15 years, between them 18-20 world championships. I think its big enough to do it.

After announcing Rock/Cena a year in advance i dont think they'd immediately do it again, and especially not with HHH/HBK. A match announced a year in advance would have to be the main event, and i cant see HHH/HBK closing the show at Wrestlemania 29.

But like i said i really dont think Shawn will wrestle again. I want him to though.

I didn't think he would wrestle ever again, I thought he was done, but after seeing the amount of involvement in this makes me wonder if he has one more match at the end of where ever this is going.

I hope you're right, i'd love to see him wrestle again, but i just get the feeling his is genuinely at peace with his retirement.

I'd rather HBK v Taker III though with Shawn finally ending the streak.

I am actually really annoyed that Shawn Michaels is involved. The WWE have overcooked it. It should have just been a normal HITC match.

I don't want Michaels to come back. Yes it would be fantastic to see him wrestle but I can't take ANOTHER Wrestlemania where the old guard come back and steal the show. We will have had the Rock for last and this years WM and now possible Michaels for next year.

Maybe I am in the minority, but WWE needs to make steps to destroy old ghosts and make new stars.

The finish I would like now, bearing in mind I didn't want Michaels involved, is for him to call it straight down the line and hardly get involved. He can be there for the hard camera shots with his face in anguish when HHH gets a beating but that's it.

My call now is for HHH to win clean, and Michaels to superkick him after he has celebrated.

I disagree Twist.

If im paying £15 to watch a PPV i want to see the biggest names in big matches. This match is a huge draw, it puts bums on seats. Would The Undertaker vs Barrett/Ziggler/Rhodes etc in a straight up one on one match be a bigger draw? No it wouldnt. I see what your saying but from a business perspective the WWE have to make marquee matches for their marquee PPV and this match is exactly that.

HHH and Taker can still perform. You dont see many Man Utd fans complaining that Giggs and Scholes are keeping younger players out of the side. They are still good enough so why not?

You have to go with the best you have to offer in the here and now, and although Taker v Orton/Punk would have been my preferred choice i dont have any complaints about Taker v HHH given that its in HIAC and HBK is referee. It adds fuel to the fire and like i say it garners interest. Something which the younger guys would struggle to do.

Twist im totally with you and have been saying that for ages now.

There will come a day when wwe won't be able to rely on their old guard to keep coming back and they will be stuck and will rush to try and get us to buy into the same guys they haven't given a toss about for years

Again, i disagree.

Who exactly is this 'old guard'? HHH, HBK and Taker. They make a handful of appearances throughout the year, mainly at Mania time. I dont think the WWE do too badly when they're not around do you? When they do call it a day i dont think the WWE are exactly going to struggle.

John Cena, Randy Orton and CM Punk are the most important wrestlers in the business at the moment, and they will around for many years to come. Sheamus is well on his way to becoming a huge asset. The Miz, Wade Barrett, Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan etc are all well established upper midcarders, the trigger could be pulled on them at anytime. The WWE is in good shape if you ask me.

To quote a certain someones promo from last year - ''The Undertaker is just a cog on the wheel and when he leaves the wheel will continue to turn''. When Taker does retire it will make the WWE Championship match at Wrestlemania the biggest draw of the night again, just as it should be.

Vince McMahon is a genius, never forget that.

I can see your point Mr H totally. You want the names to entice people to part with your cash.

But HHH (soon to have a desk job), Michaels (retired) and The Undertaker (wrestles one night a year) are not the future. Cena (fighting another retired wrestler this year), Orton (either not on the WM card or way down it) and Punk (WWE champion but in all probability relagated to 3rd position on the night....oh and facing a semi-retired wrestler) maybe the most important wrestlers AT THE MOMENT, but are a poor shadow of the top 3 of the eras when Undie, Michaels and HHH were at the fore.

Sheamus/Barratt/Ziggler/Bryan are wrestlers that the casual fan will not get too hyped up about. As you said yourself the PPV buying interest is "something which the younger guys would struggle to do."

And that is my point.......

HHH/Undertaker/Michaels won't be here for ever (they are hardly here now!). WWE have pulled back two wrestlers from yesteryear to perk up interest in this years WM. That to me screams they are struggling to get those younger upper/mid-carders over to those that buy the PPV's. Remember also that WM is one night a year......they need to get interest for the other 11 PPV's.

WWE needs to start building up the stars and not knocking them down in favour of wrestlers who may still cut it, but are fast approaching their best before date. Or are big players in another era.

Just do something for me........WM 30. Think about your card. Let us say Undertaker has retired, Michaels stays retired and HHH is now a full time desk junkie. You can't call back any people from yesteryear. I will let you have Jericho (though I doubt he will stay around by then).

Does that card look appealing and have that WM buzz?

TwisT wrote:Just do something for me........WM 30. Think about your card. Let us say Undertaker has retired, Michaels stays retired and HHH is now a full time desk junkie. You can't call back any people from yesteryear. I will let you have Jericho (though I doubt he will stay around by then).

Does that card look appealing and have that WM buzz?

Heel Bryan v Face Punk
Heel Ziggler v Face Miz
Heel Cena v Face Christian
Heel Rhodes v Face Orton

Four matches made up off the top of my head.

They could be your main matches and while they might not attract the older fans back, it would still be a great show, or at least built up properly it would.

Bryan will fall from grace after losing the title I think, and Miz will struggle to get back to the main event picture.

Good matches, but not enough to pull in the casual fan. That's what WWE needs. And because they have not built certain wrestlers up (many having yo-yo-ed up and down the card), they are running out of time to promote them properly.

Maybe I am wrong to think long term, and just enjoy the "now". I am just not all that hyped with next years WM and beyond. I think we will have rehash after rehash, and a conveyor belt of past wrestlers coming back to paper over the cracks. It has already started.

How about this card for Mania next year -

World Heavyweight Championship - John Cena vs Randy Orton
WWE Title - CM Punk vs Dolph Ziggler vs The Miz
Sheamus vs Kane - Career Match
IC/US Title Unification Ladder Match - Cody Rhodes vs Christian
Daniel Bryan vs Jon Moxley vs Chris Hero Submission Match

Would you pay £15 for that?

I might do if it is built up right

But WWE hasn't built stars up. How for instance can Miz go from floormat to WWE title contender in a year, with the amount of burials he has had lately? In fact looking back, it is exactly what bret said - a WWE rush job to get stars over.

I think HBK being involved is not a bad thing. If he does a screwjob, it will be the crappest way to end the match.

For me the biggest let down is the decision to pull the MITB match. Miz, Ziggler, Swagger, R-Truth, Kingston, Rhodes, Dibiase and McIntyre would've been a worthy match for the card. I feel they have Poopie out big time by the decision to pull the match. If it was that bad that Barrett was scheduled for the briefcase, why not wait and have him challenge the briefcase holder and win it that way like they did in 2007 with Edge and Kennedy? Poor booking yet again.

For me Miz is not out of the main event picture yet. A feud with Ziggler would be interesting. It is a shame 'technically' they are lacking because as well as doing the business on the mic, the in-ring abilities would be a massive plus for such a feud. If Miz had a submission move, it would be far more credible for then him to move up the ladder. similar to Ziggler who utilises the sleeper hold. Give Miz a submission hold and he could easily be put in a programme with Punk or Sheamus.

The WWE doesn't miss guys like HHH or the Undertaker. When HHH was feuding with Orton in 2009 he looked Flip and knackered in most matches. Undertaker looks Flip all the time, so for them not to be involved with the main card is not a major blow.

On giving Miz a submission hold I was thinking the other about how much I would love to see the Haas of pain return, it always looked brutal and I could see it fitting Miz but would be even better if it was Zigglers finisher.

How for instance can Miz go from floormat to WWE title contender in a year, with the amount of burials he has had lately? In fact looking back, it is exactly what bret said - a WWE rush job to get stars over.

It has happened to Sheamus and he has done alright.

Crimey wrote:

How for instance can Miz go from floormat to WWE title contender in a year, with the amount of burials he has had lately? In fact looking back, it is exactly what bret said - a WWE rush job to get stars over.

It has happened to Sheamus and he has done alright.

I was going to mention this, but I can't really take Sheamus seriously anymore and really don't care what he gets up to.

The only thing I guarantee about this is that The Undertaker will win.

THE STREAK WILL NEVER BE BROKEN!!!!

Never.

I'm really really looking forward to this dream match!

Well WWE are pulling out all the stops this year to make people believe that it will be broken. From a storyline perspective, it would be better for the WWE if Michaels screwed HHH or that Undertaker won clean.

Unless Undertaker is ready to retire, from a business perspective it makes no sense to end the streak.

That being said, I cannot envisage Michaels screweing HHH unless he is planning to come out of retirement. If it is a screwjob, it can only lead to revenge being taken against Michaels by Undertaker/HHH.

As I said earlier, the finish I would like now, bearing in mind I didn't want Michaels involved, is for him to call it straight down the line and hardly get involved. He can be there for the hard camera shots with his face in anguish when HHH gets a beating but that's it.

I reckon somehow HBK will be there to mitigate HHH losing... HBK can then say 'if I can't end it no-one can' then he gets his shot next year to end it and they can both ride off into the sunset...