hbk to be ringside at wm27 for hhh vs taker match

rumor has it that hbk will be ringside for the match. which means at some point his going to sweet chin music taker and hit hhh instead.

thoughts about this?

Personally I hope he doesn't get involved at all because if he interferes, whoever wins will have a 'tainted' victory and there's no need for them to go down that road. Whoever jobs on Sunday should job clean.

However, if they are going to have some kind of HBK involvement, I think it'd be better if he did a run-in rather than being at ringside for the entirety. Otherwise you're just going to be sitting there waiting for him to do something during the match.

I can see HHH having the Undertaker beat and HBK hitting sweet chin music on taker saying that if I couldnt beat him you wont either

davidl1061 wrote:I can see HHH having the Undertaker beat and HBK hitting sweet chin music on taker saying that if I couldnt beat him you wont either

that was my first thought as well

If he is there then for me its only to add intrest and suspense to the match, ultimately though i doubt he will get involved UNLESS and i've just thought bout this, he throws in the towel when HHH wont tap from Hell's Gate

the-gaffer wrote:If he is there then for me its only to add intrest and suspense to the match, ultimately though i doubt he will get involved UNLESS and i've just thought bout this, he throws in the towel when HHH wont tap from Hell's Gate

that was my first thought as well

Good thought there Gaffer, he could well be used as a towel thrower.
Taker retains the streak and HHH comes out strong.

IT would also give Triple H reason enough to be angry about his defeat

the-gaffer wrote:If he is there then for me its only to add intrest and suspense to the match, ultimately though i doubt he will get involved UNLESS and i've just thought bout this, he throws in the towel when HHH wont tap from Hell's Gate

Now playing the role of Helen Hart at Survivor Series 94: Shawn Michaels!

Definitely, it was more Backlunds manager i had in mind, with all the talk that 'Shawns gone soft' I think it could make sense

Yeah I get what you mean gaffer, I still think it would be better if Shawn was bawling his eyes out at ringside as Triple H was locked in Hell's Gate.

"LET HIM GO! LET HIM GO HE'S HAD ENOUGH! HE'S HAD ENOUGH!"

Tell me that wouldn't be a 'Wrestlemania moment'?!

Could it set up one last match between Shawn and HHH or is Michaels gone for good?

Michaels is gone for good (at least he says he is and he's determined to stay that way) so I'm not sure how it would play out. The only thing I could see happening if HBK threw in the towel for the Game-uhh is a Triple H heel turn.

Next night on RAW he calls out Shawn, cuts a promo "You-uhh cost me the match-uhh!" then boots him in the nads and hits the Pedigree.

I predict Michaels interferes on 888's behalf (as he made it clear on Monday that he doesn't believe 888 can beat Taker), there is some kind of mix up between the two and Taker takes advantage and pins 888.

This then sets up a rematch at WM28 where Taker goes over clean. They could even follow the Michaels formula and make the rematch streak vs career.

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:I predict Michaels interferes on 888's behalf (as he made it clear on Monday that he doesn't believe 888 can beat Taker), there is some kind of mix up between the two and Taker takes advantage and pins 888.

This then sets up a rematch at WM28 where Taker goes over clean. They could even follow the Michaels formula and make the rematch streak vs career.

I could actually see this happening, not that I'd want it to, but it seems the sort of route WWE would want to go down, and HHH would probably want to 'prove' that he could have 2 classics with Taker at consecutive Wrestlemanias just like his bestet buddy in the whole, entire world.

Do you think if they did this match again it would be a slap in the face of John Cena?

Or do you think Taker's got more left in him than just reaching 20-0?

I think WWE and Undertaker would be happy for him to have one Streak match a year as his ongoing deal, so I don't think the Cena match is out of the question. That way he gets to preserve his body, avoid ever helping elevate a younger wrestler (and avoid ever jobbing to anyone) and still make shedloads of money from an annual Wrestlemania payoff. These appear to be his priorities in life so good luck to him.

888 meanwhile gets to also avoid helping elevate any younger wrestlers, so he'll be happy. And then he can retire and find himself in charge of a company that is desperate for new young main event talent but doesn't have any because of people like him and Undertaker.

So yeah I think this is probably what will happen.

Maybe HHH goes for the sledgehammer and HBK tries to stop him?

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:
888 meanwhile gets to also avoid helping elevate any younger wrestlers, so he'll be happy. And then he can retire and find himself in charge of a company that is desperate for new young main event talent but doesn't have any because of people like him and Undertaker.

There are more ways of developing young talent than having HHH or Undertaker job to them aren't there?

Cymru1991 wrote:

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:
888 meanwhile gets to also avoid helping elevate any younger wrestlers, so he'll be happy. And then he can retire and find himself in charge of a company that is desperate for new young main event talent but doesn't have any because of people like him and Undertaker.

There are more ways of developing young talent than having HHH or Undertaker job to them aren't there?

Yes there definitely are, but an occasional well-timed job by 888 and especially Taker would have boosted many a career. I'm not saying they should be laying down all the time but what I am saying is that on one hand WWE claims to be serious about raising Miz, Del Rio and Punk to main event status but on the other hand we all know that if any of those three ever faced 888 or Taker they would pretty much get squashed. The Sheamus thing was a great example of how to elevate someone but then the company just gave up on him for no apparent reason. WWE really should be thinking "who will be the next generation of main eventers?" and then presenting them as equals of its two most tenured main eventers, but it's clear the two won't allow it.

Is it because they don't see anyone there who they consider could do the job?

King Beer wrote:Is it because they don't see anyone there who they consider could do the job?

Could be a possibility KB. Word is that Taker, HHH and Vince all got together and decided that Taker/Barrett and HHH/Sheamus weren't big enough matches for Wrestlemania. In Barrett & Sheamus' current guises they're right but this was months ago that the meeting took place so they didn't even attempt to build them up to the required level.

You'd have to know what they where thinking to know for sure KB but I'd like to see Miz ADR and Barrett work closely with these two and Sheamus to work closely with Taker

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:
Yes there definitely are, but an occasional well-timed job by 888 and especially Taker would have boosted many a career. I'm not saying they should be laying down all the time but what I am saying is that on one hand WWE claims to be serious about raising Miz, Del Rio and Punk to main event status but on the other hand we all know that if any of those three ever faced 888 or Taker they would pretty much get squashed. The Sheamus thing was a great example of how to elevate someone but then the company just gave up on him for no apparent reason. WWE really should be thinking "who will be the next generation of main eventers?" and then presenting them as equals of its two most tenured main eventers, but it's clear the two won't allow it.

Without trying to come off as a HHH fan boy here I think this is a little harsh - HHH has put over several guys that went on to become the next generation of stars - Evolution with Orton and Batista, Benoit, Cena, Miz (DX dropping the tag titles to ShowMiz if I'm not mistaken?) and most recently Sheamus - you can't blame HHH for WWE burying Sheamus afterwards. The point is HHH has helped make people in the WWE.

I'm glad we didn't get HHH/Sheamus again but I'd have liked to have seen Barrett/Undertaker, I'd have kept Barrett strong and had him turn and win the WHC from Kane and basically admit they only helped Kane bury Taker to get him out the way

I'm glad we didn't get HHH/Sheamus again but I'd have liked to have seen Barrett/Undertaker, I'd have kept Barrett strong and had him turn and win the WHC from Kane and basically admit they only helped Kane bury Taker to get him out the way

I'd also have preferred Miz/HHH for the title this year

the-gaffer wrote:I'd also have preferred Miz/HHH for the title this year

Oh man the promos for that would have been car crash television for sure! Triple H would have buried Miz completely!

You think? I Think Trip is far better on the mic than Cena and that would have elevated Miz performance, I also think they would maje the title seem as important as possible

Remember Triple H's promos for the John Cena match at Wrestlemania 22?

"Your one big move is pumping up your Reeboks"

"This match is going to be the easiest of my life"

"You happen to be not a very good wrestler" - to which Cena actually nodded in reply! Way to build up your WWE champion for the biggest show of the year!

Even for this match with the Undertaker coming up, he buried the ENTIRE FREAKIN' ROSTER by saying he had nothing left to prove and there were no more challenges for him in the WWE, except Taker at 'Mania.

If he'd feuded with the Miz it would have been more of the same, probably worse because Triple H is even more vindictive with the shoot comments and put-downs when he's a babyface.

I can't really argue with HHH's points regarding Cena tho I could be wrong I just feel it would be more about the title than Cena/Miz

Yeah it definitely would have been all about the title gaffer, because the Rock wouldn't have been involved in a Triple H feud.

theundisputedY2D2 wrote:
Even for this match with the Undertaker coming up, he buried the ENTIRE FREAKIN' ROSTER by saying he had nothing left to prove and there were no more challenges for him in the WWE, except Taker at 'Mania.

This is a total exaggeration!

1. The Streak needs a legitimate challenger and is arguably the biggest Marque match at Mania - HHH was only reinforcing this as he and Taker are the two biggest Marque names left on the roster

2. HHH has done everything else in the WWE - he wasn't burying anyone, what do you want him to do? Job to every new star from now until he dies? He's not Flair!

3. HHH doesn't want to hang around for much longer, he wants to retire from active wrestling soon - he even acknowledged that last Monday on Raw when he admitted him and HBK made a retirement pack together.

I respect your opinions alot Y2D2 but HHH is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't sometimes around here.

theundisputedY2D2 wrote:Yeah it definitely would have been all about the title gaffer, because the Rock wouldn't have been involved in a Triple H feud.

thats what i mean, at the WM Press Conference yesterday they got Miz his say early to get him out the way so Rock/Cena could end it with a staredown

talkingpoint wrote:This is a total exaggeration!

1. The Streak needs a legitimate challenger and is arguably the biggest Marque match at Mania - HHH was only reinforcing this as he and Taker are the two biggest Marque names left on the roster

2. HHH has done everything else in the WWE - he wasn't burying anyone, what do you want him to do? Job to every new star from now until he dies? He's not Flair!

3. HHH doesn't want to hang around for much longer, he wants to retire from active wrestling soon - he even acknowledged that last Monday on Raw when he admitted him and HBK made a retirement pack together.

I respect your opinions alot Y2D2 but HHH is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't sometimes around here.

No of course he shouldn't job to everyone on the roster, but he could easily have said that facing the Undertaker at Wrestlemania and attempting to break the Streak is the biggest challenge - not the only challenge - left in WWE and he wanted to attempt it this year because his career is winding down.

Yes he's accomplished more or less everything there is to accomplish but I just think that the way he worded his promo could easily be construed as "Screw the rest of you guys, me and Taker are all that matter".

talkingpoint wrote:

theundisputedY2D2 wrote:
Even for this match with the Undertaker coming up, he buried the ENTIRE FREAKIN' ROSTER by saying he had nothing left to prove and there were no more challenges for him in the WWE, except Taker at 'Mania.

This is a total exaggeration!

1. The Streak needs a legitimate challenger and is arguably the biggest Marque match at Mania - HHH was only reinforcing this as he and Taker are the two biggest Marque names left on the roster

2. HHH has done everything else in the WWE - he wasn't burying anyone, what do you want him to do? Job to every new star from now until he dies? He's not Flair!

3. HHH doesn't want to hang around for much longer, he wants to retire from active wrestling soon - he even acknowledged that last Monday on Raw when he admitted him and HBK made a retirement pack together.

I respect your opinions alot Y2D2 but HHH is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't sometimes around here.

In his promo challenging Undertaker he specifically said that he looks around the locker room and sees no challenges left, except one. If that isn't burying the roster, nothing is. What about The Miz, CM Punk, Alberto Del Rio, Wade Barrett, Sheamus (the man who put him out of action for almost a year!) and the many other younger wrestlers who are expected to carry the ball in the future? He also said that at Wrestlemania "nothing else matters", so not only did he bury the roster but he buried all the matches at the biggest PPV of the year except his own.

As for whoever said it wasn't his fault Sheamus got buried, I totally disagree. If he'd wanted Sheamus kept strong, he would have ensured that happened. He also beat Sheamus up on his return in a completely one-sided brawl.

I agree he has put others over at times, albeit not always convincingly, but he has buried many, many others by abusing his power.

Triple H vs Undertaker is a bigger match than Triple H vs Sheamus and Undertaker vs Barrett, but if Sheamus and Barrett had been kept strong, it wouldn't be a vast difference in my opinion. There's no reason WWE couldn't have presented them as equals of Triple H and Taker. Instead both were torn down once they'd started to establish themselves, and now they will probably never be given the chance to prove themselves as equals. How does it help WWE's future to take two of the best fresh main eventers in years and break them down again? Would Triple H or Taker be the stars they are if they'd been broken down a year into their main event pushes? I think both Barrett and Sheamus would have looked extremely strong by this point if they'd been consistently treated as huge stars, strong enough where Sheamus vs Triple H and Undertaker vs Barrett wouldn't seem like subpar matches at all. Given that The Rock is the main selling point of WM27, I don't think it would have affected the buyrate either.

This match has been built up pretty well, but it does not help the company in the long term. I find it bizarre that the man who is going to be running the place in years to come, and the so-called "ultimate company man" are continually the most selfish people on the whole roster.

As for "damned if they do, damned if they don't", I disagree. I would applaud them if they put others over the right way. Sadly however, I'm pretty sure that, as Y2D2 said, if Triple H was paired with The Miz, THE WWE CHAMPION, he would completely bury him on the mic. Same for Del Rio. Same for Punk. It's probably best he is kept away from anyone with any talent, because he can't be trusted not to sabotage their careers. I think that's pretty much the worst flaw a wrestler can have. And that goes for Undertaker too, so it's probably best if they stick with their feud and try to outdo the Hogan-Piper match from 1996.

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:the Hogan-Piper match from 1996.

*shudder*

theundisputedY2D2 wrote:

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:the Hogan-Piper match from 1996.

*shudder*

In their defence, they should manage the task! But there are similarities; "nothing else matters", "only one challenge left", etc!

Thank Chuck there are no more RAW or Smackdowns left for Taker or HHH to start harping on about who is the bigger icon!

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:

In his promo challenging Undertaker he specifically said that he looks around the locker room and sees no challenges left, except one. If that isn't burying the roster, nothing is. What about The Miz, CM Punk, Alberto Del Rio, Wade Barrett, Sheamus (the man who put him out of action for almost a year!) and the many other younger wrestlers who are expected to carry the ball in the future? He also said that at Wrestlemania "nothing else matters", so not only did he bury the roster but he buried all the matches at the biggest PPV of the year except his own.

I disagree.

1. Is facing Miz, a one time WWE champion (and a dubious one at that), for a title you've won 13X before a greater challenge than trying to defeat an 18-0 streak? No.

2. It's not HHH job to put over the Miz or the WWE/WHC titles for this year's Mania - his job is to build anticipation for the Taker match. It's Cena's job at this Mania to make the WWE title/Miz important and he's failed to do either (with a little help from everybody's favourite wrestler of all time the Rock)!

3. Taker and HHH are the biggest marque names on the WWE roster. Fact. Other guys will get there eventually, some faster than others, but these two guys are living legends: They are the 'last two outlaws' and HHH promo was just reflecting that when he said nothing else mattered to him - it was personal to him.

4. The problem of devaluing titles/PPVs is far more endemic than just HHH 'burying' people left, right and centre. Blame the abysmal treatment of the mid card titles, which have ceased being viewed as the work horse title and a sign of greater things to come; blame MITB for fast tracking wrestlers to world champion status prematurely and devaluing the world titles all for the sake of a good gimmick match once a year, which now has its own PPV and now has two winners! Blame creative for failing to plan long term and work from week to week basis. HHH didn't bury the entire roster or the importance of the world titles in his promo - he cut a great promo about the historic significance of his match with Taker, nothing more.

i can see HBK interfering and costing HHH the match , Same thing will happen with cena/miz the rock interfering and costs cena the tittle

well well if true i can honestly see michaels hittin trips with scm costing him the match and hhh coming out on raw, wanting michaels blood and saying something along the lines of 'i inducted you into the hall of fame and this is how you repay me' and then hbk comes out of retirement and the two have a devestatng match

The Key to the result of HHH Taker was given away on Raw last night. HBK will save HHH from kayfabe death. Trips did say he will die trying. I agree the Hell's gate hold will be the climatic moment of the match. It will be brutal and savage this match and i think the two combatants will be out for months afterward as In Ring performers anyway. In fact I see Stephanie and Vince coming to ringside desperately demanding Taker let go of the Hell's Gate hold but he refuses. This is where Steph begs Shawn to do something but he can't as he is just plain in awe of Taker. He freezes. This goes on for minutes while the crowd is just utterly stunned at the level of cruelty Taker will stoop to to maintain his streak. Taker goes full on heel with a nasty grin on his face the whole time.I think it will be the most stunning match finish ever seen at a Wrestlemania. I personally want the streak to end because it is just so predictable now.

While it would be highly controversial, there's a small part of me that wants to see taker enter the ring, get on the wrong end of an HHH-finger-poke of-doom-esque manouvere and trips get the 1-2-3.

I've noticed a lot of people saying that taker and HHH bury everyone in sight!!

I'm not either of theirs biggest fans as I do feel HHH is overated and honestly do think if taker hadn't got his current gimmeck, he wouldn't have been as big!

Anyway, back to my point, the 1 HHH early moment that I always remember is when he lost to Warrior after Warrior no selling the pedigree in what must have been the biggest no sell of all time!! (I'm sure thre must be other times as well, I seem to even remember him losing to Marc Mero)

When Taker first came in, he was billed as this monster, but didn't he only win his first title due to paul bearer slipping a steel chair into the ring for hogans 2nd tombstone and then didn't he get buried by hogan very soon after?

HornetsYellowArmy wrote:I've noticed a lot of people saying that taker and HHH bury everyone in sight!!

I'm not either of theirs biggest fans as I do feel HHH is overated and honestly do think if taker hadn't got his current gimmeck, he wouldn't have been as big!

Anyway, back to my point, the 1 HHH early moment that I always remember is when he lost to Warrior after Warrior no selling the pedigree in what must have been the biggest no sell of all time!! (I'm sure thre must be other times as well, I seem to even remember him losing to Marc Mero)

When Taker first came in, he was billed as this monster, but didn't he only win his first title due to paul bearer slipping a steel chair into the ring for hogans 2nd tombstone and then didn't he get buried by hogan very soon after?

I think it was Ric Flair that slipped the chair in (so to speak ). Also, isn't your '' 'Taker wouldnt have been as big if he didn't have this gimmick'' point true about 70-80% of main eventers in history? Look at two recent examples in the rock and steve austin, who were both bombing as Rocky Maivia and Stuning Steve Austin/ The ringmaster respectively. Infact, I'd say that the ''novelty'' nature of the undertaker's original gimmick could have potentially have set him up for a relatively short WWF run and it's a credit to him that he's been as huge as he's been. After all, he has to actually be this ''character'' as opposed to just being ''bad-ass'' like austin; or superman like hogan/ cena etc.

I'm surprised no ones mentioned this scenario but here it is: HBK comes out at some point perhaps after the pedigree has failed to put Taker away and the two of them try to end Taker but he will not die even kicking out of SCM and them he just destroys them both and holds onto his streak. Makes sense with the NO DQ?

You think two of the most political backstage players would happily have Taker look so strong over them?

HBK made Taker look strong two years in a row and if the WWE are intent on keeping the streak intact at least for another year then yes!

I think if they would do it for anyone it would be him.

I'm thinking after close falls for both guys Triple H starts to build momentum, sets up for the pedigree, HBK hits HHH with sweet chin music then Undertaker tomstones him for the win

tomorrow night on Raw HHH calls out HBK and the excuse is that if anybody was ever meant to end the streak it was Mr Wrestlemania, but somethings aren't meant to be broken

Triple H goes to Smackdown, attacks Taker in the middle of a match turning heel in the process