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Hall of Shame
by Valero's Conscience Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:01 pm
We have the HoF but should we have a 606v2 Hall of Shame to cast the spotlight on those who have done things to tarnish our good sport?
I was thinking more officials, refs, trainers etc as these guys get less attention and get away with their hands clean most of the time!
My first nominations for induction are:
Eugenia Williams - Judge who gave Holyfield the nod against Lewis.
Roger Tilleman - Refereed the Ottke vs Reid fight. Probably the worst performance you'll ever see and a classic example of a ref helping the home fighter.
Panama Lewis - 'Mixed bottle' exploits with Pryor in his 1st fight against Arguello and the disgusting incident with doctoring of gloves later in the 80's which ended the career of a young fighter and possibly contributed to his death!
Newton Campos & Louis Michel - Judges who awarded Ramirez the win against Whitaker.
Jack Woodruff, Mickey Vann & Franz Marti - Judges for the Whitaker vs Chavez fight. Not one had the fight in Sweat Pea's favour.
Who should join such infamous company?
I was thinking more officials, refs, trainers etc as these guys get less attention and get away with their hands clean most of the time!
My first nominations for induction are:
Eugenia Williams - Judge who gave Holyfield the nod against Lewis.
Roger Tilleman - Refereed the Ottke vs Reid fight. Probably the worst performance you'll ever see and a classic example of a ref helping the home fighter.
Panama Lewis - 'Mixed bottle' exploits with Pryor in his 1st fight against Arguello and the disgusting incident with doctoring of gloves later in the 80's which ended the career of a young fighter and possibly contributed to his death!
Newton Campos & Louis Michel - Judges who awarded Ramirez the win against Whitaker.
Jack Woodruff, Mickey Vann & Franz Marti - Judges for the Whitaker vs Chavez fight. Not one had the fight in Sweat Pea's favour.
Who should join such infamous company?
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Re: Hall of Shame
by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:04 pm
Mike Tyson, Antonio Margarito and that guy who killed Max Kellermans brother. He hooked a guy with his gloves off because he never got a decision.
Frank Warren.
Frank Warren.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by d260005p Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:05 pm
Roberto Duran
Antonio Margarito
David Haye/Derek Chisora
Antonio Margarito
David Haye/Derek Chisora
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Re: Hall of Shame
by d260005p Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:05 pm
Tyson Fury, Bob Arum, Chavez Jr, Frank Warren
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Union Cane Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:08 pm
Ian John-Lewis : Scored Galahad Booth 120-109 despite Galahad being knocked down in the first.
The splinter-arsed judge who scored Shark Ishihara's 10 round fight with Tadafumi Miura 100-100.
The splinter-arsed judge who scored Shark Ishihara's 10 round fight with Tadafumi Miura 100-100.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:08 pm
If Panama Lewis is in there surely Luis Resto has to be aswell
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Re: Hall of Shame
by 88Chris05 Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:09 pm
Not a bad idea - maybe a list of, say, ten founder members should be drawn up, similar to the Hall of Fame? Could do it via a poll / vote count? Could make for some interesting debate.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Valero's Conscience Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:14 pm
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:If Panama Lewis is in there surely Luis Resto has to be aswell
True, i was trying to aim less at fighters and more others in the sport but in this case, Resto does normally get less attention than Lewis. A certified scum bag
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Re: Hall of Shame
by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:15 pm
Union Ian John lewis is a great shout he scored Lynes vs Purdy a draw when Lynes had clearly won by at least 5 rounds. I think he was a judge in the Cox vs sai fight with all the low blows and he was one of the judges who gave it to Cox.
I would like to nominate Junior Witter no real reason I just always hated him!
Carl Froch as well.
I would like to nominate Junior Witter no real reason I just always hated him!
Carl Froch as well.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by EdWoodjr Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:17 pm
The bloke(s) who granted Brian Sutherland a professional boxing licence deserves to be in any boxing hall of shame. Check out Sutherland on YouTube. He has to be seen to be believed.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:23 pm
The matchmaker who put Deontay Wilder in with that guy who weighs nearly 400lbs.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Union Cane Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:23 pm
SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:The matchmaker who put Deontay Wilder in with that guy who weighs nearly 400lbs.
Trussman?
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Re: Hall of Shame
by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:28 pm
Union Cane wrote:SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:The matchmaker who put Deontay Wilder in with that guy who weighs nearly 400lbs.
Trussman?
It was not the handy work of the Trussman. He was not 400lbs of supplements. He was 400lbs of deep fried chicken.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:46 pm
Union Cane wrote:Ian John-Lewis : Scored Galahad Booth 120-109 despite Galahad being knocked down in the first.
He also scored the Joe Ainscough v Wayne Reed fight in the Prizefighter 30-28 to Ainscough even though he clearly lost and was put on his backside in the last round.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by 88Chris05 Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:53 pm
Ian John-Lewis would be a great start. The man is an absolute clown of monolithic proportions. A comically poor referee, a disgustingly incompetent judge and God only knows what else in between all of that.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed 11 Apr 2012, 1:28 pm
I reckon we should make this an official Hall of Shame? Thoughts?
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Re: Hall of Shame
by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Wed 11 Apr 2012, 1:30 pm
I know you don't want boxers but audley Harrison has to be in there
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Union Cane Wed 11 Apr 2012, 1:31 pm
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:I reckon we should make this an official Hall of Shame? Thoughts?
Definitely.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by BoxingFan88 Wed 11 Apr 2012, 2:24 pm
Judge Pierre Benoist scored Martinez Williams I 119-110..
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Valero's Conscience Wed 11 Apr 2012, 2:28 pm
WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I know you don't want boxers but audley Harrison has to be in there
Can't really disagree! He's not in the same league as people who have directly cheated the sport but has definitely provided a negative impact i.e. huge public exposure which imploded!
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Soldier_Of_Fortune Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:08 pm
alma wrote:SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Union Cane wrote:SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:The matchmaker who put Deontay Wilder in with that guy who weighs nearly 400lbs.
Trussman?
It was not the handy work of the Trussman. He was not 400lbs of supplements. He was 400lbs of deep fried chicken.
Dustin Nichols apparently. In his last fight he weighed 450lbs!
Thats over 32 stone!!!
What a joke
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Small Time Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:17 pm
Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "pushing out the jab" :S
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Re: Hall of Shame
by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:17 pm
alma wrote:SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Union Cane wrote:SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:The matchmaker who put Deontay Wilder in with that guy who weighs nearly 400lbs.
Trussman?
It was not the handy work of the Trussman. He was not 400lbs of supplements. He was 400lbs of deep fried chicken.
Dustin Nichols apparently. In his last fight he weighed 450lbs!
Good to know he's as dedicated as ever.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Mind the windows Tino. Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:19 pm
Union Cane wrote:
- WILDER VS. NICHOLS:
I don't know who looks more ridiculous, the big fat guy or Wilder acting like he is Muhammad Ali when fighting said big fat guy.
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by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:27 pm
Mind the windows Tino. wrote:Union Cane wrote:
- WILDER VS. NICHOLS:
I don't know who looks more ridiculous, the big fat guy or Wilder acting like he is Muhammad Ali when fighting said big fat guy.
I don't know what's more ridiculous, the fact wilder managed to miss him or the reaction of the people behind him when he leant against the ropes
Tbh I think i would have ran away also, the ropes barely took him
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Re: Hall of Shame
by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:27 pm
I like Wilder and believe he will go on to do ebtter than Fury, Pryce, Chsiora, Helenius or Mitchell. But GBP seriously need to let the guy loose.
He has the speed, skills, power and he's black which is apparently important according to guys like Steve Farhood and Al Bernstein who have both called for a great black hope in recent times.
He has the speed, skills, power and he's black which is apparently important according to guys like Steve Farhood and Al Bernstein who have both called for a great black hope in recent times.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Boxtthis Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:44 pm
Roger Tilleman, Bob Arum, and Jose Suliman are 3 stonewall definites for an inaugural 606v2 Hall of Shame in my opinion.
I think it would be good to focus nominations on toe-rags like these guys who have consistently and knowingly tarnished the good name of the sport in order to further their own position rather than 'off the rails' boxers like, for example, Edwin Valero or James Butler, who have committed horrific, but one-off crimes outwith the context of boxing (but just happen to be boxers).
I think it would be good to focus nominations on toe-rags like these guys who have consistently and knowingly tarnished the good name of the sport in order to further their own position rather than 'off the rails' boxers like, for example, Edwin Valero or James Butler, who have committed horrific, but one-off crimes outwith the context of boxing (but just happen to be boxers).
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Re: Hall of Shame
by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 3:47 pm
Arum played a big part in a lot of the fights involving Leonard, Duran, Hagler and Hearns which might save him.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by ShahenshahG Wed 11 Apr 2012, 4:03 pm
So are we deciding by net worth? For example, NAz car crash and imprisonment against an excellent spell at the top., 17 title fights, unification champion and a big reason why interest in the lower weights didnt die out. So he doesnt make it?
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by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 11 Apr 2012, 4:09 pm
Nas had been retired a few years when that happened he wouldn't deserve to be in it. Personally I would say you had to something that was detrimental to the sport and outweighs any good you did.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Rowley Wed 11 Apr 2012, 4:14 pm
ShahenshahG wrote:So are we deciding by net worth? For example, NAz car crash and imprisonment against an excellent spell at the top., 17 title fights, unification champion and a big reason why interest in the lower weights didnt die out. So he doesnt make it?
Don't even think about it Shah. Would remind people who would consider putting Naz forward I have the power to ban people and am not afraid to abuse it.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by ShahenshahG Wed 11 Apr 2012, 4:22 pm
Just trying to find a standard your royal tubbiness - I've always thought Naz defeats more often that not anyone ranked above him in his weight classes.
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Re: Hall of Shame
by Union Cane Wed 11 Apr 2012, 4:38 pm
ShahenshahG wrote:your royal tubbiness
Leave Rowley-powley alone!
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