TNA Lockdown Results

by Adam D Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:25 am

TNA Lockdown
Aired live on pay-per-view
Nashville, Tennessee at Municipal Auditorium

- The pre-show consisted of a lot of hype, a Dixie Carter interview, and ODB and Eric Young challenging Sarita and Rosita to a Knockouts Tag Title match. The pre-show was hosted by Jeremy Borash and Christy Hemme…

- The actual pay-per-view opened with footage from “earlier today” of James Storm loading up his truck with his gear. He said Bobby Roode made it personal by bringing his family into it. Storm added that this is the biggest match of their careers. “This is my town,” Storm said. “Welcome to Nashville”… The Lockdown opening video played…

- Earlier Today: James Storm was shown packing the back of his truck before hopping inside to drive to “my town,” Nashville. A Montgomery Gentry reference to begin the PPV. TNA then transitioned to a video package documenting the build-up to Roode-Storm for the TNA World Title in tonight’s PPV main event.

source - http://www.pwmania.com/artman/tna-lockdown-ppv-results-april-15-2012
- Backstage: A group of men were shown chatting ahead of the Lethal Lockdown match. Garett Bischoff walked into the shot to address the men – X Division champion Austin Aries, A.J. Styles with odd-looking blue gloves on, RVD, and Mr. Anderson. GB demanded he start the match tonight. Apparently he took a crash course in the Sheamus School of Babyface Promos saying he knows he’s going to get his ass kicked tonight. But, he has to prove himself and earn respect. Everyone decided to let Garett do his thing and sent him off to the ring. Out first for the heel team was Gunner. The bell rang two separate times to signal the start of the match.
- Mike Tenay and Taz welcome us to Nashville for Lockdown. We go to the ring for tonight’s opener.

Lethal Lockdown: Team Eric vs. Team Garett
We go to the ring and out comes Garett Bischoff. His opponent Gunner is out next. They will wrestle for 3 minutes before the next wrestlers come in from Team Eric.
They go at it to start. Gunner takes control but Garett comes back with two dropkicks. Gunner blocks him and overpowers him. Garett comes back again with a dropkick from the top. Gunner comes right back with a big clothesline and a series of right hands. Garett keeps control until it’s time for Bully Ray to come out.
Ray comes in the ring and the double teaming on Garett begins. Garett gets beat down back and forth until the movie hits and out comes X Division Champion Austin Aries for Team Garett. Aries comes in and goes at it with Ray. Aries gets beat down but comes back. Aries ends up top and hits a big missile dropkick on Ray. The next man out for Team Eric is Kazarian sporting a bald head.
Kazarian puts Team Eric back on top until AJ Styles comes out. AJ cleans house until things settle down and we’ve got 3 on 3. AJ goes at it with Ray and hits a dropkick on him. Aries goes to Ray as AJ works on Gunner in the corner. Ray makes the save for Gunner and fights off Aries as the timer goes off. The next man out for Team Eric is Daniels.
Daniels comes in and Team Eric takes back control. Mr. Anderson is the next man out for Team Garett. Anderson hits the cage and takes out Daniels and Gunner. Kazarian and Daniels double team AJ now. The timer goes off again and the final man out for Team Eric is none other than Eric Bischoff. Eric comes in and holds his son while Ray slaps him. Kazarian joins in as does Gunner. Garett goes down and they celebrate.
The numbers game continues until Rob Van Dam is the last man out. RVD comes in with clotheslines and kicks, cleaning house. RVD hits Rolling Thunder on Ray and we see Eric Bischoff hiding. The top of the steel cage begins to drop down and it’s loaded with weapons.
The weapons drop and Anderson hits a bunch of trash can lid shots. RVD comes off the ropes with a trash can shot to Daniels. Eric Bischoff is still hiding down behind a turnbuckle as chaos breaks loose with the weapons. AJ and Aries finally grab Eric and bring him into the action. Aries slams Bischoff and skids on his face. RVD goes to the top for a frog splash on Bischoff but Gunner makes the save. Aries takes out Gunner but gets slammed from high by Ray. TEam Eric starts to make a comeback now.
AJ and Kazarian battle on the top rope holding the cage. They walk the ropes and Kazarian climbs out to the center of the ring, hanging from the top of the cage. AJ follows him and kicks Kazarian down to the mat. AJ drops down with a big elbow. RVD comes down off the top with a frog splash on Kazarian. Ray gets up and runs over AJ with a boot. Ray grabs a chair but RVD kicks it into his face. Daniels with the double underhook on RVD. Daniels grabs Garett but Garett tackles him and covers for 2. Eric breaks the pin up with kendo stick shots to his son’s back.
Eric repeatedly hits Garett with the kendo stick while yelling at him. The crowd chants for Hulk Hogan. Garett’s back is covered in welts. Bischoff shows off as the crowd boos him. Eric goes back to hitting his son with the kendo stick. Garett gets up and hits his father with a guitar shot to get the pin and the win.
Winner: Team Garett Bischoff

- Tenay and Taz talk about Eric Buschoff being gone from TNA and not able to use the Bischoff name.

TNA Tag Team Title Match: The Motor City Machineguns vs. Samoa Joe and Magnus
We go to the ring and out first comes Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin. Out next are the TNA Tag Team Champions Magnus and Samoa Joe in the cage.
Shelley starts things out with Magnus and they do some back and forth. Shelley starts working on the leg. Sabin tags in and they double team Magnus with kicks. 1 count for Sabin. Joe gets the tag and goes at it with Sabin. Shelley gets the tag and comes in off the top. Joe drops Shelley and in comes Magnus again. The Guns double team Magnus. Magnus throws Shelley into Sabin and Joe gets the tag again.
More tags and back and forth action. Sabin ends up powerbombing Joe from the corner. Shelley and Magnus fight up on the top rope. Shelley sends Magnus to the mat and hits a double stomp from the top for 2. MCMG ram Joe’s head into the corner and double team Magnus with kicks. Another 2 count. More back and forth action. Shelley hits Sliced Bread on Magnus but Joe breaks the pin. The champs miss their double team move and Magnus gets rolled up for a close 2 count. Magnus blocks Sliced Bread and slams Shelley. Joe tosses Sabin onto Shelley. Joe and Magnus hit the snap-mare elbow this time for the win.
Winners: Magnus and Samoa Joe

- Backstage with Jeremy Borash monitoring our tweets. Robbie E and Rob Terry come in. Robbie runs down Brother Devon and guarantees he will get back the TV Title tonight.

TNA Television Title Match: Robbie E vs. Brother Devon
Robbie E is out first with Rob Terry. The TNA TV Champion Brother Devon is out next.
Terry won’t leave the cage so Devon takes it into his own hands. This allows Robbie to take advantage and attack. Robbie works Devon over to start the match and taunts him. Devon fights back with right hands and chops in the corner. Devon charges but gets caught with a big boot and a clothesline. Robbie off the ropes with an elbow drop for a 2 count.
Robbie with more offense and another pin attempt. Robbie climbs to the top rope but Devon hits the rope and Robbie falls to the mat. Devon makes a comeback and hits a big shoulder followed by a clothesline. Devon kicks Robbie in the gut and hits a neckbreaker. Devon with a big splash in the corner and a spinebuster for the win.
Winner: Brother Devon

- After the match, Rob Terry comes inside the cage and attacks Devon from behind. Terry lays Devon out and helps Robbie up. Terry with a big powerslam. Robbie smacks Devon as his music hits. Robbie goes back to hitting Devon while he’s down before leaving the cage.

- JB is backstage still looking at tweets. He asks a Twitter question for Matt Morgan – what’s more important, ending Crimson’s streak or getting revenge on him tonight. Morgan says he’s going into this match for revenge. Morgan says he’s going to make Crimson his red headed bitch tonight.

TNA Knockouts Title Match: Velvet Sky vs. Gail Kim
We go to the cage and out first comes the challenger Velvet Sky. The TNA Knockouts Champion Gail Kim is out next with Madison Rayne right behind her. Gail attacks before the bell rings and starts beating Velvet around the cage.
Velvet rolls Gail up out of nowhere for 2 and takes control of the match. Gail turns it back around with a kick to the head. Velvet tries to come back. Gail goes to climb out of the cage but Velvet interrupts her. Gail comes off the top with a missile dropkick and a 2 count on Velvet. Gail with a backbreaker submission now. Gail wraps Velvet’s leg around her head now. Gail continues to control the match as the crowd roots for Velvet.
Velvet manages a jawbreaker but Gail takes her to the corner and keeps control. Gail taunts Velvet and shows off for the crowd now. Velvet moves as Gail charges in the corner and she hits the ring post. Velvet finally makes a comeback and hits a bunch of moves but Gail kicks her off and climbs the cage. Velvet stops her and they fight up top. Velvet ends up powerbombing Gail from the top. Velvet covers but Gail grabs the rope and breaks the pin.
Velvet goes over and argues with Madison as the cage door is opened. Gail tries to leave but Velvet stops her. They tangle and Gail turns it into a pin for the win.
Winner: Gail Kim

- Ric Flair’s music hits and out he comes for a surprise, according to Taz.
Flair asks the fans if they have any idea who just walked into the ring. Flair singles out a “fat boy” in the front row and someone with no teeth. Flair puts himself over and says he’s a special type of cat. Flair says he’s peed off and when he’s peed off, it’s not good for who he’s peed off at. Flair says Hulk Hogan just won’t leave him alone and tonight, Eric Bischoff’s career was ended. Flair singles out another fat boy at ringside and rips into him. Hogan’s music hits and out he comes.
Hogan approaches the cage but doesn’t enter. Hogan says Flair is the greatest wrestler of all-time and asks the fans if they agree. Hogan asks if he can enter Flair’s ring. Flair wants him to come in so they can talk real quick. Flair tells SoCal Val to get her ass up and open the rope for Hogan. Hogan says if Flair has a problem with the way he works as General Manager, express it now. Flair says he’s had a problem with Hogan for 30 years and he doesn’t like the way he’s running TNA. Flair says he should have been in Lethal Lockdown, not Bischoff. Flair says he works for Hogan now but the day he gets too peed off, he will just kick Hogan’s ass.
Hogan says they’re at Lockdown and everything is fair game. He talks about how Bischoff is gone. Hogan says everyone knows if he and Flair go at it right now, they will tear the roof off the building. Hogan says if Flair has a problem, he better do something about it right now. Flair says Hogan just peed him off and goes to take his jacket off. Hogan drops him with a right hand to the head. Hogan mocks Flair and leaves the ring. Flair gets up and tells Hogan to come back. Flair is ready to fight. He starts throwing his shoes and drops an elbow on the empty ring. Flair goes nuts on the mic but Hogan leaves. Flair turns his attention to Mike Tenay and says he will kick his ass. Flair starts yelling at fans again before they end it.
- We get a promo video for Matt Morgan vs. Crimson.

Matt Morgan vs. Crimson
We go to the ring and out first comes Crimson followed by his former partner Matt Morgan. Crimson tries to escape early on but Morgan stops him. Morgan mounts an offense and hits a big sideslam. Crimson tries to leave out of the cage door but Morgan pulls him back in. Morgan slams Crimson head first into the cage and he goes down. Morgan teases walking out of the cage and has the chance to. Morgan stops and comes back into the ring to continue the attack.
Morgan goes for a chokeslam but Crimson cuts him off and comes back with a big clothesline. Crimson with a 2 count. Crimson with the knees to the head and an elbow. Crimson runs and hits a low dropkick for another 2 count. Crimson keeps in control of Morgan until he runs into a big boot. Morgan comes back but gets caught with a spinebuster for 2. Crimson charges but Morgan hits him with the spinning clothesline. Morgan with right hands and more clotheslines. Morgan with a big boot to the face. Morgan drops Crimson’s face in the corner and back suplexes him.
Morgan with a splash in the corner and a splash on the side of the cage. Crimson ducks the big boot in the corner and Morgan gets hung up. Crimson climbs the cage and makes it to the top as Morgan grabs his leg. They fight on the top rope now but Morgan falls and the ropes hit between his legs. Morgan falls to the mat with his leg hung up on the rope. Crimson motions to Morgan and climbs over the cage to get the win and remain undefeated.
Winner: Crimson
- We get a promo video for Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Hardy.

Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Hardy
We go back to the cage and out first comes Kurt Angle. Jeff Hardy is out next and here we go.
Angle takes control of the match early on and backs Hardy into the corner. Hardy makes a comeback and hits the low dropkick in the corner. Hardy with right hands. They run the ropes and Angle throws him head first into the cage wall. Angle takes back control and rubs Hardy’s face into the cage.
Angle continues to use the cage on Hardy and he’s busted open now. Hardy finally comes back and hits a clothesline. Hardy with a forearm off the ropes and offense in the corner. Hardy catches Angle with an elbow and hits Whisper in the Wind. Hardy with a 2 count. Hardy with more offense and a stunner.
Hardy climbs up the cage but Angle stops him. Angle suplexes Hardy back to the mat from up high on the cage and covers but only gets a 2 count. More back and forth action as the crowd gets into it. Hardy goes to leave the door but Angle pulls him back and applies the ankle lock. Hardy turns it around and has the ankle lock applied on Kurt now. Angle breaks free but Hardy hits Twist of Fate. Hardy hits a Swanton from up high now. He climbs back to the top rope and hits a second Swanton but Angle kicks out at 2.
Angle tries to call for time but gets a cheap shot in. Angle hits the Angle Slam but Hardy kicks out at 2. Angle drops his straps but Hardy blocks the slam this time. Hardy hits an Angle Slam on Angle and goes to the top rope. Hardy decides to keep climbing and goes up to the top of the cage. Hardy hits a Swanton from up high and covers Angle for the win.
Winner: Jeff Hardy

TNA Knockouts Tag Team Title Match: Rosita and Sarita vs. Eric Young and ODB
We go to the ring and out comes the team of Rosita and Sarita. Out next come the TNA Knockouts Tag Team Champions ODB and Eric Young. ODB starts out by flooring Sarita in the corner. She tells Young to get out of the ring and goes back to work on Sarita. Rosita jumps on her back. Sarita accidentally clotheslines Rosita in the corner. ODB splashes them both and keeps in control of them both as EY looks on. Comedy from Eric Young when he thinks he’s the referee.
Sarita and Rosita turn it around on ODB now and keep control of her. Young comes in as ODB gets double teamed. They try to put the moves on EY but ODB gets up. She drinks some whiskey and goes to work on the challengers. ODB finally gets the win for her team.
Winners: ODB and Eric Young

- JB is backstage with World Heavyweight Champion Bobby Roode. Roode talks about how he will beat James Storm tonight in his hometown of Nashville and says he is the impact of professinal wrestling.
- We get a promo video for tonight’s main event.

TNA World Heavyweight Title Match: James Storm vs. Bobby Roode

James Storm comes driving his pick-up truck into the arena and makes his way to the cage. Out next comes the TNA World Heavyweight Champion Bobby Roode. Roode walks around the ring and Storm attacks from behind. Storm beats Roode up on the floor and brings the steel steps into play. Storm slams Roode’s head into the steps. Storm leaps off the table and hits an elbow to the head. Earl Hebner tries to get them in the cage but Storm keeps the fight outside.
Roode blocks Storm and turns it around on the floor. Storm counters and whips Roode hard into the fan barrier. Storm continues the assault outside of the ring. Storm charges with a chair but Roode moves and pushes Storm into the cage wall. Roode grabs a beer and drinks some. We see that Storm is busted open from the cage now. Roode with right hands and we’re still not in the cage yet.
We see country star Montgomery Gentry and Storm’s wife looking on from ringside. Finally Roode brings Storm in the cage and the bell rings. Roode keeps control as Storm bleeds. Roode with a suplex and a knee drop to the head. Roode with another 2 count. Roode hits right hands but it doesn’t phase Storm. Storm comes back with right hands but Roode takes back control. Roode continues beating Storm bloody.

Storm makes a comeback finally and catapults Roode into the cage. Storm keeps control for the most part but Roode goes back and forth. The door is open and Roode starts to crawl out. Storm grabs his leg and pulls him. Roode turns that around and applies the crossface. They end up in the corner and Roode goes for a superplex. Storm blocks it and they fight in the corner. Roode crawls up to leave the cage but Storm tries to stop him. Storm gets knocked to the mat but crawls back up. He brings Roode back over and they fight on top of the rope. More back and forth and close calls. Storm hits the big superkick but nails the referee with it. Hebner opens the door as Roode steps to the apron. Roode tells Hebner to give him a beer bottle and he does.
Roode smashes Storm with the bottle but Storm still kicks out at 2. Storm finally connects with the super kick but it doesn’t do the job. Storm hits another super kick but it knocks Roode out of the cage door and to the floor to end the match.
Winner: Bobby Roode

- Lockdown goes off the air with Storm in the ring looking disappointed.

http://www.pwmania.com/artman/tna-lockdown-ppv-results-april-15-2012

by JamesLincs Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:15 pm

the match types in tna are so different to wwe. i will often read the ppv results, and tbh they look good, but then you watch it. and you also see the atmosphere which is non existant. and a commentary that do nothing for me at all, to draw me in

and what does it tell you that this thread has had over 100 views and the only reply is a negative one

does anyone think that if they swapped rosters, wwe went to tna and tna over to the e, that the e would still be on top? i do. so is it really the script writers or hogan or whoevers fault that tna is struggling or is it something else? i cant pin point it tbh. because i read the ppv results and i often think it sounds so much better than wwe's ppv efforts

by Adam D Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:33 pm

To answer that question, it is a little bit of brainwashing in part.

People are told that TNA is full of WWE rejects and bad scripting.

Over the last few months, the scripting has been very good. The build up to the main event has been excellent but there are some members of every wrestling board who only believe what they read from hearsay and take it as gospel.

The other big problem is the impact zone - it drains the atmosphere.

If you saw the impact tapings from Wembley, the whole show seemed brilliant in comparison.

I think if the roles were reversed (ie a swapping of the talent) the gulf would be even bigger.

For my money, TNA has a better talent pool but is hampered by their location and the IWC believing everything they read.

I am not saying its perfect but it is a lot better than most people give it credit for. And the things it does get accused of, are largely ignored when they go on in WWE

by Beer Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:35 pm

Flair v Hogan?

Man i can't wait to watch 2 60+ year olds who can barely walk attempt to have a wrestling match.

TNA > WWE

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:46 pm

Its all in the production value. TNA can't compete with WWE on production value, and that DOES count for a hell of a lot. The Hardcore wrestling fan will put up with a dreary, cheap looking, non-HD set-up, but the majority won't.

I find it very difficult to watch Impact after Raw for this very reason.

by Adam D Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:52 pm

King Beer wrote:Flair v Hogan?

Man i can't wait to watch 2 60+ year olds who can barely walk attempt to have a wrestling match.

TNA > WWE

When is this match taking place?

by Beer Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:54 pm

Adam D wrote:
King Beer wrote:Flair v Hogan?

Man i can't wait to watch 2 60+ year olds who can barely walk attempt to have a wrestling match.

TNA > WWE

When is this match taking place?

Given this....

Hogan approaches the cage but doesn’t enter. Hogan says Flair is the greatest wrestler of all-time and asks the fans if they agree. Hogan asks if he can enter Flair’s ring. Flair wants him to come in so they can talk real quick. Flair tells SoCal Val to get her ass up and open the rope for Hogan. Hogan says if Flair has a problem with the way he works as General Manager, express it now. Flair says he’s had a problem with Hogan for 30 years and he doesn’t like the way he’s running TNA. Flair says he should have been in Lethal Lockdown, not Bischoff. Flair says he works for Hogan now but the day he gets too peed off, he will just kick Hogan’s ass.
Hogan says they’re at Lockdown and everything is fair game. He talks about how Bischoff is gone. Hogan says everyone knows if he and Flair go at it right now, they will tear the roof off the building. Hogan says if Flair has a problem, he better do something about it right now. Flair says Hogan just peed him off and goes to take his jacket off. Hogan drops him with a right hand to the head. Hogan mocks Flair and leaves the ring. Flair gets up and tells Hogan to come back. Flair is ready to fight. He starts throwing his shoes and drops an elbow on the empty ring. Flair goes nuts on the mic but Hogan leaves. Flair turns his attention to Mike Tenay and says he will kick his ass. Flair starts yelling at fans again before they end it.

I would imagine sometime in the near future.

by JamesLincs Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:08 pm

i hear the match will be done over 2 nights. they will make their entrances on the opening night, with the fight being contested on the following, to give them a rest period

by Beer Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:11 pm

JamesLincs wrote:i hear the match will be done over 2 nights. they will make their entrances on the opening night, with the fight being contested on the following, to give them a rest period

I heard a rumour that there will be a 'half time' during the match for blood transfusions.

by **Hero** Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:25 pm

Hogan asks if he can enter Flair’s ring.

Another tape on the way?

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:35 pm

Hero wrote:
Hogan asks if he can enter Flair’s ring.

Another tape on the way?

That would be the worst, because you just know you'd have to force yourself to watch it Laugh

by TwisT Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:45 pm

I think I did pretty well on the Prediction League bearing in mind I don't really watch TNA all that often Laugh

by JamesLincs Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:06 pm

Hero wrote:
Hogan asks if he can enter Flair’s ring.

Another tape on the way?

hahaha

by Mr H Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:37 pm

Adam D wrote:To answer that question, it is a little bit of brainwashing in part.

People are told that TNA is full of WWE rejects and bad scripting.

Over the last few months, the scripting has been very good. The build up to the main event has been excellent but there are some members of every wrestling board who only believe what they read from hearsay and take it as gospel.

The other big problem is the impact zone - it drains the atmosphere.

If you saw the impact tapings from Wembley, the whole show seemed brilliant in comparison.

I think if the roles were reversed (ie a swapping of the talent) the gulf would be even bigger.

For my money, TNA has a better talent pool but is hampered by their location and the IWC believing everything they read.

I am not saying its perfect but it is a lot better than most people give it credit for. And the things it does get accused of, are largely ignored when they go on in WWE

I for one am not brainwashed or believe everything the IWC say, my judgement on TNA isnt made by reading internet forums and i'd hazard a guess that most others on here are with me on that. Not having a go but we're not that naive Adam so please dont tar us all with the same patronising brush. Since the day Hogan & Bischoff went to TNA the company has made absolutely no progress whatsoever and to this day they are still heavily involved on TV. You also say when WWE does things TNA get criticised for they dont get the same criticism, im guessing you are talking about the older guys taking the limelight but like ive said before there is a big difference between The Rock & Brock Lesnar and Sting, Hogan & Flair - about 25 years infact. The Rock & Lesnar are still relevant, still in shape and are still very good in ring. Unfortunately the same cant be said for Sting, Hogan & Flair. That is why TNA get criticised for using them. For me, and this is my personal opinion from viewing the product and not an opinion i have from reading the internet - although TNA havent got the money WWE has and cant put their show on the road and cant offer the same production as WWE, there is one thing they can control and which can be done without the need for money to make the product better - booking. However this is the same as it always has been - erratic and uninspiring. Only TNA marks will defend the product yet neutral fans on the fence will always struggle to be won over because of the lame booking and if they havent done already are quickly running out of patience. Just my opinion.

I also think the WWE has a better talent pool. Im not disputing that TNA have alot of talented guys at their disposal but in terms of raw, techincal pure WRESTLING talent i'd argue that CM Punk, Chris Jericho, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston and Christian to name a few can match if not better the talent at TNA. Not to mention the pending debuts of Chris Hero and Jon Moxley.

Again, just my opinion.

by HitmanOwl Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:10 pm

Just watching lockdown and the crowd is dead and taz/tenay are awful. Really makes for Poopie.

Truly awful commentating.

by Aaronb33 Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:30 pm

The wrestling itself, as usual, was pretty good for the most part. It's the crowd that lets them down time and time again. I'd be interested to know if they were using the old WCW trick of giving out free tickets. If you haven't paid, there's no investment in the product, you're not going to vocally get behind the guy you want to win.

As for the commentary, I don't get it. At times it matches the WWE quality wise (JR excluded of course). When Taz and Tenay are on form, they both have so much passion for the business and it really comes across well. But...Most of the time, they just sound so bored. Personally, I'd like to see a setup like WCW had...but better. Tenay can do what he does best, explaining the intricacies of the moves, giving background on the wrestlers etc, Taz is a good colour man so I have no problem there, but they really need that JR-esque over the top, passionate play by play man.

by Guest Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:02 pm

Adam D wrote:To answer that question, it is a little bit of brainwashing in part.

People are told that TNA is full of WWE rejects and bad scripting.

Over the last few months, the scripting has been very good. The build up to the main event has been excellent but there are some members of every wrestling board who only believe what they read from hearsay and take it as gospel.

The other big problem is the impact zone - it drains the atmosphere.

If you saw the impact tapings from Wembley, the whole show seemed brilliant in comparison.

I think if the roles were reversed (ie a swapping of the talent) the gulf would be even bigger.

For my money, TNA has a better talent pool but is hampered by their location and the IWC believing everything they read.

I am not saying its perfect but it is a lot better than most people give it credit for. And the things it does get accused of, are largely ignored when they go on in WWE

I'll be honest here.

TNA urine me off because they have extrordinary talent in Styles, Daniels, Joe, Sabin, Shelley, Young, Harris, Storm, Roode all talent for me capable of carrying that company. They added Christian Cage which I thought was a coup and Angle. They Flip it all up with Poopie like The James Gang/Sting/Nash/Scott Hall/Steiner/Hardy/Booker T/Raven/Sabu/Hogan/Flair/Bischoff who are all past it. How the talent in the company have remained loyal is beyond me. Made the exact same mistake WCW did when they didn't bank on their own talent. That is what killed the company and that is what is killing this company. It frustrates me. You look at the Division X matches that Styles was having with Daniels/Joe, main event stuff.

I stopped watching TNA at the height of the of Main Event Mafia. It killed it for me. Give talent a go I say and stop with all these marque names that add nothing to company.

by HitmanOwl Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:10 pm

Main event mafia was truly woeful. For me Eric young and world elite should have been pushed,great gimmick for me.

by **Crimey** Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:30 pm

The Main Event Mafia was a really good idea I thought, it should have been the passing of the torch and the older guys take a back seat as the younger guns beat them in a symbolic moment but it wasn't to be.

by Adam D Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:46 pm

legendkillarV2 wrote: They Flip it all up with Poopie like The James Gang/Sting/Nash/Scott Hall/Steiner/Hardy/Booker T/Raven/Sabu/Hogan/Flair/Bischoff who are all past it. How the talent in the company have remained loyal is beyond me. Made the exact same mistake WCW did when they didn't bank on their own talent. That is what killed the company and that is what is killing this company. It frustrates me. You look at the Division X matches that Styles was having with Daniels/Joe, main event stuff.

I stopped watching TNA at the height of the of Main Event Mafia. It killed it for me. Give talent a go I say and stop with all these marque names that add nothing to company.

The James Gang - Road Dogg wrestled at this years Royal Rumble and got a big pop and huge plaudits
Sting - WWE tried to sign him for last years mania
Nash - last wrestled in the WWE in a feud with HHH and CM Punk
Hardy - Past it? If he was clean, the WWE would take him back in a second. I personally never liked him.
Booker T - Wrestled at the Rumble with Nash, and recently on WWE.

As for the others, fair point but when were they at the top of the card? Flair and Hogan havent wrestled on TV for god knows how long before this weekend. And that was in the undercard and a multi man match.
The others havent been in TNA in years.

The current main stars in TNA are - Roode, Storm, Aries, Crimson, Matt Morgan, Magnus etc The only one of those who is ex WWE is Morgan.

Other ex WWE stars on the show are - Mr Anderson (hardly over the hill!), Angle (still very good), Bully Ray (Best shape and form of his life) and possibly a few others.

I have just had a look at WWE and went through their roster. All of these left and went and did other things. If any of these went to TNA they would have been slated:

Lesnar
Booker T
Jericho
Christian
The Rock
Goldust
Jerry Lawler (okay never left but not a spring chicken and was in a PPV main event last year)
Kharma
Lord Tensai

I am not questioning that talent. I am just pointing out that if TNA had signed those people, they would get slated (other than LEsnar, Rock and y2J). TNA is labelled as a oldies club - WWE is just as bad.

by Fernando Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:51 pm

Adam D wrote: Bully Ray (Best shape and form of his life) and possibly a few others.

Bully Ray is currently the best heel in wrestling today thumbsup

by crippledtart Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:22 am

This is the first TNA PPV in ages that I've actually been looking forward to, due to what I consider a drastic improvement in the quality of Impact recently (except the Hogan/Bischoff stuff, naturally) and due to my new best friends being in the world title match. I even considered keeping myself in the dark about the results so I could watch it on Wednesday without knowing anything in advance.

On a whim, I decided yesterday to check out a review. All I can say is that it sounds like an event that sums up most people's criticisms of TNA, mine included. I feel like every time I invest in anything TNA-related they let me down. Adam, I think you're totally right to say that WWE are guilty of a lot of the same mistakes, and I've criticised WWE many times myself, but that doesn't excuse TNA's failings. Just because Wolves have had a bad season, it doesn't mean Blackburn haven't had a bad season too!

Like I said, Impact has been much better in general recently. The problem is that, like a woman whose ex boyfriend let her down too many times, TNA has to work ten times as hard to regain the fans trust. They need to be putting on the best TV show every week, they need to be showcasing the best wrestlers in the best positions (not revolving the lethal lockdown match around the Bischoff family!), and they need to be putting on good-to-great PPV events month after month. They need to treat the ex girlfriend like a princess every single time they see her, and not show any signs of the traits which left her feeling let down in the first place. They need to prove they aren't just on their best behaviour, but that they have genuinely changed.

It sounds like the Lethal Lockdown PPV was not a good show. And when that happens, when Hogan and Flair have an in-ring confrontation and the finish to the world title match is poorly booked and the lethal lockdown match is some kind of weird public Bischoff family therapy session and the tag title match fails to deliver, those scorned fans will instantly lose any trust they'd built up, and react with the same words as any woman who fell for her ex boyfriend's act all over again, before realising that underneath the facade he was still the same person who let her down all those times before.

'I knew you hadn't changed'...

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:02 am

Crips - great comment, I like the analogy.

However, on the flipside, do you not think that Raw and WWE PPV's tend to benefit from people actually watching it live/unspoiled - whereas as you confess, you looked up the results of a TNA PPV before deciding whether or not to watch it, as most people do?

A show can never read as well as it watches. For instance, if I had read that Taker, Trips and HBK hugged on the stage at the end of their Wrestlemania match, I would have called it as oversentimental and naff, whereas it was actually fitting when watching it.

Wrestling is 100% better in an unspoiled format and I've enjoyed Raw so much more since I avoided spoilers.

by Guest Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:02 am

Adam D wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote: They Flip it all up with Poopie like The James Gang/Sting/Nash/Scott Hall/Steiner/Hardy/Booker T/Raven/Sabu/Hogan/Flair/Bischoff who are all past it. How the talent in the company have remained loyal is beyond me. Made the exact same mistake WCW did when they didn't bank on their own talent. That is what killed the company and that is what is killing this company. It frustrates me. You look at the Division X matches that Styles was having with Daniels/Joe, main event stuff.

I stopped watching TNA at the height of the of Main Event Mafia. It killed it for me. Give talent a go I say and stop with all these marque names that add nothing to company.

The James Gang - Road Dogg wrestled at this years Royal Rumble and got a big pop and huge plaudits
Sting - WWE tried to sign him for last years mania
Nash - last wrestled in the WWE in a feud with HHH and CM Punk
Hardy - Past it? If he was clean, the WWE would take him back in a second. I personally never liked him.
Booker T - Wrestled at the Rumble with Nash, and recently on WWE.

As for the others, fair point but when were they at the top of the card? Flair and Hogan havent wrestled on TV for god knows how long before this weekend. And that was in the undercard and a multi man match.
The others havent been in TNA in years.

The current main stars in TNA are - Roode, Storm, Aries, Crimson, Matt Morgan, Magnus etc The only one of those who is ex WWE is Morgan.

Other ex WWE stars on the show are - Mr Anderson (hardly over the hill!), Angle (still very good), Bully Ray (Best shape and form of his life) and possibly a few others.

I have just had a look at WWE and went through their roster. All of these left and went and did other things. If any of these went to TNA they would have been slated:

Lesnar
Booker T
Jericho
Christian
The Rock
Goldust
Jerry Lawler (okay never left but not a spring chicken and was in a PPV main event last year)
Kharma
Lord Tensai

I am not questioning that talent. I am just pointing out that if TNA had signed those people, they would get slated (other than LEsnar, Rock and y2J). TNA is labelled as a oldies club - WWE is just as bad.

Kharma came from TNA!!!!

by Mr H Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:25 am

I also dont buy into the theory that money has a major bearing on their failings. Yes with extra money they could have a better set & better all round production but surely the crux of a succesful product is a gifted talent pool and a competent creative team. The bright lights and glitz and glam the WWE have helps create a viewing spectable but even when they do things badly that doesnt cover up any poor booking. If Coldplay performed in a social club they'd still be as good as if they played at Wembley because they are consistently good at what they do. TNA need to get the basics right, and they cant. They simply take 1 step forward only to take 2 steps back and have done for far too long which ultimately has meant ratings and PPV buyrates have not improved, hence Panda Energy apparently losing patience. My gut feeling is that something big will happen this year, either Panda will sever their ties with TNA, or big names like Hogan, Hardy etc who command big salaries will leave the company. One thing for sure is that they cant keep bumbling along the way they are.

by crippledtart Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:43 am

I agree H. Incompetence is incompetence, however much money you throw at it.

I would genuinely love to see TNA grow, and I would love to see WWE toppled as the dominant wrestling promotion in America. But in my opinion the company's chances of making true progress are strangled while Dixie Carter is at the helm taking her advice from Hogan and Bischoff. That will fail. It's the poisonous leading the blind. Hogan and Bischoff are such an actively negative influence that a promotion relying on their leadership in 2012 can't even succeed by fluke.

by Mr H Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:14 pm

In 2011 TNA's average PPV buyrate was 17,000. They have one PPV a month so it doesnt take a genius to work out their total average PPV buyrate figure for the whole of 2011 - 204,000.

In 2011 the WWE's average PPV was over 300,000, so in 1 single PPV they beat the number of buys TNA gained in a whole year.

That tells its own story of how far apart the two companies are and the massive gulf in competition. TNA are a million miles away from being a threat to the WWE in terms of being America's number one wrestling promotion.

by longrangeeffort Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:10 pm

Watching Lockdown on Challenge now..lets see how it turns out.

I really hope Austin Aries goes back to being a heel though. He has been brilliant as a heel and its almost a bit strange seeing him being quiet just then when Garrett was speaking..

by Mr Tom Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:53 am

Watched some of this last night got up to the Knockout match must say the main thing I noticed was the crowd was terrible just killed the matches completely.

by Beer Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:09 am

Adam D wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote: They Flip it all up with Poopie like The James Gang/Sting/Nash/Scott Hall/Steiner/Hardy/Booker T/Raven/Sabu/Hogan/Flair/Bischoff who are all past it. How the talent in the company have remained loyal is beyond me. Made the exact same mistake WCW did when they didn't bank on their own talent. That is what killed the company and that is what is killing this company. It frustrates me. You look at the Division X matches that Styles was having with Daniels/Joe, main event stuff.

I stopped watching TNA at the height of the of Main Event Mafia. It killed it for me. Give talent a go I say and stop with all these marque names that add nothing to company.

The James Gang - Road Dogg wrestled at this years Royal Rumble and got a big pop and huge plaudits
Sting - WWE tried to sign him for last years mania
Nash - last wrestled in the WWE in a feud with HHH and CM Punk
Hardy - Past it? If he was clean, the WWE would take him back in a second. I personally never liked him.
Booker T - Wrestled at the Rumble with Nash, and recently on WWE.

As for the others, fair point but when were they at the top of the card? Flair and Hogan havent wrestled on TV for god knows how long before this weekend. And that was in the undercard and a multi man match.
The others havent been in TNA in years.

The current main stars in TNA are - Roode, Storm, Aries, Crimson, Matt Morgan, Magnus etc The only one of those who is ex WWE is Morgan.

Other ex WWE stars on the show are - Mr Anderson (hardly over the hill!), Angle (still very good), Bully Ray (Best shape and form of his life) and possibly a few others.

I have just had a look at WWE and went through their roster. All of these left and went and did other things. If any of these went to TNA they would have been slated:

Lesnar
Booker T
Jericho
Christian
The Rock
Goldust
Jerry Lawler (okay never left but not a spring chicken and was in a PPV main event last year)
Kharma
Lord Tensai

I am not questioning that talent. I am just pointing out that if TNA had signed those people, they would get slated (other than LEsnar, Rock and y2J). TNA is labelled as a oldies club - WWE is just as bad.

Booker T, Christian and Goldust have all been in TNA.

by paulscholes Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:18 pm

What was the Storm V Roode match like, as i went to bed because the ending of the main event endings have been awful for ages

by Mr Video Man Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:51 pm

paulscholes wrote:What was the Storm V Roode match like, as i went to bed because the ending of the main event endings have been awful for ages

an alright match but the ending made storm seem abit stupid to be honest. as roode was on the apron next to the cage door storm superkicked roode which sent him through the cage door and roode retained

by dyrewolfe Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:33 pm

Ugh!

Was annoyed at missing Lockdown on Challenge last night - had avoided reading this for that very reason.

Having read the spoilers and seeing no real surprises or upsets, it looks like I didn't miss much.

I'm just wondering how much longer they can spin Roode's title reign out for. He's beaten all the main contenders at least once...in Storm's case 2 or 3 times now. If this carries on much longer, there aren't going to be any credible challengers left...unless they give Crimson or Morgan a title shot.

Choosing to end the match with yet another mistake I suppose at least keeps Storm as a contender, but Roode's run of wins by default or cheating is getting old now.

by The_Enigma Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:35 pm

Just watching the World Title match now, including this match in total I watched 4 matches from the PPV. TBH it was a typical TNA PPV, it wasn't great + there wasn't much of a shock factor, but there are some good matches in terms of wrestling. The crowd of Nashville, Tennessee were dead the entire night really, They need to move these PPV's into the wrestling area's of the country. They need to up up their game in they want to try and compete with WWE, they say that TNA is improving year by year, I'm yet to see it. Since Hogan & Co rolled up the storylines have been poor. I enjoyed watching it more with Russo there, TNA was IMO at it's best from 2005-2009. Is it me or does everybody else resent Garrett, I mean since he debuted as a wrestler he has been shoved down the audiance's throat, he cleary can't wrestle yet he gets storylines whilst other guys on the roster don't appear in weeks/months.

Now I'd agree with the comments about the poor production. Some of the footage they use on iMPACT tapings & PPV tapings and stupid and pointless. I'll take the Storm/Roode storyline as a example. I thought that it was cool that they showed footage of both of them starting out in TNA working their way up but do we really need to hear from Bobby Roode's "Cousin" to tell how how the championship has changed him? The same goes for the strange segments they have where a camerman follows talent around hiding behind a plant or a car door. Do they really think we are that stupid? I just think there are so many better ways they could do this in production, it just looks so amauterish. The sooner they focus on the roster and the originals within that roster with a better production and better storylines the better the product will be on a whole. For me they need a sort out with their roster too, Over the last year they seem to have let a few of the TNA originals leave and this has caused hole's in both the X & Tag Team Divisons, to me they have yet to replace these guys with the exepection of Austin Aries who has done really well since re-joining.

by longrangeeffort Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:28 am

Mr Tom wrote:Watched some of this last night got up to the Knockout match must say the main thing I noticed was the crowd was terrible just killed the matches completely.

Yeah i'll agree with that. The matches were much better than the audience reaction would have you believe!

Really enjoyed the Angle/Hardy match and Roode/Storm was quite good too. I can see that they are going to give Roode massive heat from him just never losing the belt via various flukey/cheating ways.

I'm not sure why they are pushing Garrett so hard. So good talent in that match that was just being used to purely make Garrett look good. I didnt get why he spoke saying he wanted to go first. I would have preferred someone else to start poo-pooing his comments only Garrent to THEN get respect by kicking ass. Not get respect by getting his ass kicked...still the dude takes some good bumps! Aries looked good amongst the larger guys too. Definitely a fan of his.

I had the sound off for Flair's little speech in the ring...but i saw his usual stuff. Throwing shoes, bouncing off ropes...I dont know if anyone else is getting bored of it but it always makes me laugh. He doesnt need to speak anymore...just turn red, say WOO a lot and then do some forward rolls Very Happy

I was on the phone to the missus at the time while trying to not giggle. I didnt want to stop the conversation using the reason "yeah hold on a sec. A 60+ year old man is losing it, hes throwing his shoes and elbowing dropping his clothes...yeah...its just wrestling..no its not a match...he's just a little angry.."

by MtotheC Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:51 am

I think to truely enjoy TNA in it's current format you have to just except it for what it is...the wwe's poorer, uglier, part inbred southern cousin.

TNA is a million miles away from wwe in practically every aspect of the industry and while people continue to make comparisons between the two organisations TNA will always come up short and appear less of a spectacle.

Of course TNA has some very talented performers I dont beleive anyone is disputing that but instead of being obsessed with competing with the WWE they need to focus on getting the fundamentals right and that's why I beleive a complete overhaul of the executive team and board needs to happen and if panda energy wants to ever see any return on their massive investment they need to act now and start treating this company as a business and not as a pet project for the carter family. The talent in the locker room is not the issue here it's the overall direction the promotion has been taken in over the last 5-6 years. I won't harp on about booking issues as that as already been covered above and its well documented that some radical changes need to happen in this department. The wwe since the early ninties has been one mans vision, one mans direction and ultimately one man has signed off on everything that is put to television and this is one factor as to why they have been so successful and although vince doesn't always get it right he is without any doubt a true master of the wrestler world and unfortunately for TNA some what of an anomaly therefore reproducing what he has achieved is almost near impossible.

My advise to TNA is- Stop focusing on what you can't change and concentrate on why you can- producing the best wrestling show you possible can and successful will follow.

by Beer Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:52 am

MtotheC wrote:I think to truely enjoy TNA in it's current format you have to just except it for what it is...the wwe's poorer, uglier, part inbred southern cousin.

So basically TNA = Heath Slater?

by MtotheC Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:55 am

King Beer wrote:
MtotheC wrote:I think to truely enjoy TNA in it's current format you have to just except it for what it is...the wwe's poorer, uglier, part inbred southern cousin.

So basically TNA = Heath Slater?

Exactly and I forgot to add ginger!

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:09 am

King Beer wrote:
MtotheC wrote:I think to truely enjoy TNA in it's current format you have to just except it for what it is...the wwe's poorer, uglier, part inbred southern cousin.

So basically TNA = Heath Slater?

Screw you

Slater v Flo Rida at Summerslam - Ratings!

by dyrewolfe Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:49 pm

The comments about the lack of atmosphere are even stranger consider how much Storm hyped up the match as being "in his back yard". You'd have thought they'd at least get charged up for the title match.

Ironically, the Impact audience the week before were very loud for the most part. Sounds like TNA do need to be more selective where they have their PPVs.

Quite shocked by Mr H's comparison of the comparative buyrates, given that TNA has been going for 10 years now. Does make you think there must be some fundamental mistakes being made, in their failure to take advantage of WWE's perceived weaknesses, as well as snagging casual sports fans.

Can only really agree with MtotheC and Enigma on the talent and production issues. No question they have plenty of talent - they're just misusing a lot of it. Lots of poor, pointless and sometimes even confusing storylines and I would also agree the out-of-ring stuff can seem very amateurish at times.

TNA's real saving grace is the in-ring action. Most of the matches are pretty good - some are exceptional. If they can just get the soap-opera aspect right, they could be on to a winner.

On the other hand, maybe most WWE fans are dyed-in-the-wool, die-hards who will remain loyal to that brand, regardless?

by dyrewolfe Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:54 pm

@longrangeeffort: you want to know why Garrett is being pushed so hard? I think you only have to look as far as his surname. Wink

Though to be fair to the guy he is a looker and seems to have some talent too. Agree he is probably not being pushed in quite the right way though.

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